Non-Standard Scoring Leagues and Draft Advice (1 Viewer)

[OU#1]

Hello all,

This is my first post here so take it easy on me! Mods-If this post is not in the correct sub-forum feel free to move it around...

I have a question about non-standard scoring leagues. We have a very unique scoring system in our league that we used last year (it was quite fun). It was my first year playing FF so I don't know how it compares to standard scoring leagues but everybody enjoyed it quite a bit. This year I have taken over the commish duties and I plan on keeping the scoring intact for the most part.

The trends last year (not counting LT who was off the chart) were that RB's were the highest point scorers, and QB's (McNabb was awesome before he went down in our league) a close second and WR's falling off after that. DST's were actually very good in points for our league (the elite D's like the Bears and Ravens actually outscored most WR's).

Here's our scoring system...I guess IMG's aren't allowed here.

I plan on fixing the Int's to 2/-2 and doing something for the QB's to offset the points lost. As you can see it's a pretty high scoring league and the guys that go for 30+ Yd TD's are your bread and butter here. TE's are a joke besides the 2-3 elite ones, and kickers actually do quite well in this system.

So I try to use all the information on the internet to research players, but when you have a custom scoring system like this it plays a huge factor in your decisions for drafts, waivers, etc.

So my question to you guys:

Are there any sites out there that can give you custom draft rankings based on your custom scoring system?
What would be your draft strategy based on the above scoring league?
More specifically if you had the 1:1, 2:12, 3:1, etc draft pick what would be your draft strategy/order? I got the lucky draw and get to pick #1 in our snake draft which we are having at the end of August.Right now I'm thinking:

LT #1 obviously

QB/WR for 2:12 and 3:1

RB2/DST for 4:12 and 5:1

WR2/RB3 or WR3 for 6:12 and 7:1

I'll grab a K and TE in the later rounds but might spend an 8, 9, or 10 for one of the better kickers in the league (more of a crapshoot IMHO).

I appreciate your replies, and thanks for such a wonderful site.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

hi! yep, there is a forum for specific questions like yours "Assistant Coach Forum". But go to the Master Draft Slot index that is pinned above in this forum. THere are at least two threads I can think of about strategy for the first three rounds when you have the 1st pick. You should find links in that thread. Good luck with your draft!

 

[OU#1]

hi! yep, there is a forum for specific questions like yours "Assistant Coach Forum". But go to the Master Draft Slot index that is pinned above in this forum. THere are at least two threads I can think of about strategy for the first three rounds when you have the 1st pick. You should find links in that thread. Good luck with your draft!

I've already read all those, but thanks.My whole point was that I can't really go by those links because our league has a very unique scoring system. Click this link and you'll see what I mean...

 

[CalBear]

With this scoring system, I think you'd be better off removing QBs from your lineup entirely. If you have the QB playing against your opponent's WR and your QB throws a 50-yard TD pass, you lose nine points to your opponent. Absurd.

So, load up on WRs and RBs, and take a QB off the scrap heap.

And read an article on VBD.

 

[stevegamer]

To get some basic valuations, take a look at the various free apps off the main page. They will help you with much of the scoring.

I'm nto sure if they do distance scoring for TD's, I don't play in leagues with that - I think it may, but I am unsure.

 

[OU#1]

I'm not really looking for advice on chaging the scoring system. Honestly it was quite fun the way it is. I know some of you long time FF players will have some issues with the scoring system since it's not "the standard". Throwing QB's out isn't gonna happen regardless of fairness issues. Everybody has the same disadvantage and advantage in the long run.

I'm mainly looking for info on player rankings with custom scoring systems such as this, and how you would draft if you participated in this league. IE RB/QB/RB/WR/RB/WR/DST/K/TE in each round...

Or more specifically how you would draft if you had the #1 pick which is what I drew.

Thanks for your replies. I'll look into the free apps.

 

[smackdaddies]

He wasnt saying change your scoring system - he was saying never draft qb's. Better to take a zero.

Plus, at 3pt a TD - why bother taking one until you have filled all your other slots. I would never take a qb before round 8 or 9 with that system.

If you want to create your own cheat sheets bsaed on your scoring system -

It's time to spend the money and subscribe to football guys - and use the most currwent VDB. You wont be sorry.

 

[OU#1]

He wasnt saying change your scoring system - he was saying never draft qb's. Better to take a zero.Plus, at 3pt a TD - why bother taking one until you have filled all your other slots. I would never take a qb before round 8 or 9 with that system.If you want to create your own cheat sheets bsaed on your scoring system - It's time to spend the money and subscribe to football guys - and use the most currwent VDB. You wont be sorry.

I'm not understanding why taking a zero from a QB slot is better than getting points from your QB slot? I understand what he was saying about playing the opposing owner and the WR benefiting more than the QB from the same team.Like I said in the OP: QB's were right behind RB's in points with this system last year. WR's weren't even close to QB's or RB's. McNabb was right behind LT before he went down last year using this scoring system. I'm pretty sure the top 5 QB's and WR's will be gone before 2:12/3:1 in my league. Last year it went RB-QB-WR-DST-K-TE as far as points go from best to worst. I guess I just answered my own question on what I should be drafting based on last years results...owell it was worth asking anyways to try to get some opinions from the "FF pros". I'm just a 2nd year FF guy...Not sure what VDB is but i'll look into it. If subscribing to football guys will help me with this custom scoring league then I'd be all about it, but from what I've seen from other sites I can't really use the advice because our scoring system is heavy towards the home run hitters. Looks like I have some reading up to do! Thanks again for the replies...

 

[CalBear]

Not sure what VDB is but i'll look into it. If subscribing to football guys will help me with this custom scoring league then I'd be all about it, but from what I've seen from other sites I can't really use the advice because our scoring system is heavy towards the home run hitters. Looks like I have some reading up to do! Thanks again for the replies...

The Draft Dominator (subscriber tool) allows you to input your league's scoring, and gives you a draft list based on value. VBD is the principle that it really doesn't matter how many points are scored at a position, so much as how differentiated players at that position are from one another. If all the QBs score more than all the RBs, but the difference between the #1 and #12 QB is only 30 points, the RBs will be more valuable. Your league setup makes QBs almost worthless; the Draft Dominator suggests taking Manning early in the third round, and the top 13 players are all RBs.

 

[OU#1]

Not sure what VDB is but i'll look into it. If subscribing to football guys will help me with this custom scoring league then I'd be all about it, but from what I've seen from other sites I can't really use the advice because our scoring system is heavy towards the home run hitters. Looks like I have some reading up to do! Thanks again for the replies...

The Draft Dominator (subscriber tool) allows you to input your league's scoring, and gives you a draft list based on value. VBD is the principle that it really doesn't matter how many points are scored at a position, so much as how differentiated players at that position are from one another. If all the QBs score more than all the RBs, but the difference between the #1 and #12 QB is only 30 points, the RBs will be more valuable. Your league setup makes QBs almost worthless; the Draft Dominator suggests taking Manning early in the third round, and the top 13 players are all RBs.

Thank you Cal for the excellent explanation. I think I understand now where you are coming from. If I am understanding this right then since there is really no huge difference between the #1 and #12 QB then why waste higher picks on the top QB's. Now that makes perfect sense. I was somewhat blinded because QB's in our league actually score quite well and can keep up with the RB's.Now this is the information I'm after! Off to read up on VBD!

 

[da_budman]

I understand where you are coming from. My league has a distance scoring system and so the cheatsheets here are helpful but not ideal.... the draft dominator , whiile helpful, still doesnt exactly cover distance scoring. you have to do some approximations to get close but it is a useful tool.

 

[Willowdoc]

Not sure what VDB is but i'll look into it. If subscribing to football guys will help me with this custom scoring league then I'd be all about it, but from what I've seen from other sites I can't really use the advice because our scoring system is heavy towards the home run hitters. Looks like I have some reading up to do! Thanks again for the replies...

The Draft Dominator (subscriber tool) allows you to input your league's scoring, and gives you a draft list based on value. VBD is the principle that it really doesn't matter how many points are scored at a position, so much as how differentiated players at that position are from one another. If all the QBs score more than all the RBs, but the difference between the #1 and #12 QB is only 30 points, the RBs will be more valuable. Your league setup makes QBs almost worthless; the Draft Dominator suggests taking Manning early in the third round, and the top 13 players are all RBs.

This is similar to the original fantasy football leagues I played in in the early 90's. As we learned more, we changed, but its an exciting way to play and I still play in one league that rewards (highly) long plays. Its really exciting to watch Reggie Bush have a 75 yard reception because of the huge bonus you get with it.The problem with DD and this system is that there are no projections for long plays. I know you can input those bonuses, but I am unclear how DD establishes those numbers. I know of only one system that projects these kinds of plays and thats Kubiak on Football Outsiders (which is pure statistical projection, no subjective component). This part is a question for Bruce.

 

[OU#1]

This is similar to the original fantasy football leagues I played in in the early 90's. As we learned more, we changed, but its an exciting way to play and I still play in one league that rewards (highly) long plays. Its really exciting to watch Reggie Bush have a 75 yard reception because of the huge bonus you get with it.The problem with DD and this system is that there are no projections for long plays. I know you can input those bonuses, but I am unclear how DD establishes those numbers. I know of only one system that projects these kinds of plays and thats Kubiak on Football Outsiders (which is pure statistical projection, no subjective component). This part is a question for Bruce.

Well I downloaded the free VBD sheet and DD and was quite impressed. I'm ready to subscribe to get the up to date version but my only hesitation is that it still doesn't seem to account for the length bonus' on the TD's in our custom league. So does anybody know how these programs factor it in? You can put the custom scoring into the sheets but it doesn't seem to change much? For example the DD was saying to draft Gates at 3:1 for me since he had the highest VBD. I don't see why anybody would draft a TE before round 5-6 in this league, but I guess it's saying that Gates has the best value since he's so much better than the next best TE. My take on it is the difference between Gates and say Heap/Winslow/Davis/Gonzales/etc is going to be ~30 points at best overall for the season and that shouldn't be worth burning a 3rd round pick over-Especially when there is such quality WR/QB/RB's on the board still? Using the DD most of the top 25-30 RB's were gone by round 5/6 and the only TE that had been picked at that point was Gates. I'll take a stud RB2/WR1 over a TE any day in this league so I can only guess the VBD isn't accounting for the TD length bonus?I'll probably subscribe either way but I figured I'd ask if anybody knows how it works (or knows if it's working properly) before I shell out the cash.Thanks!

 

[OU#1]

Ok last time I'll bump this thread. The replies have been very helpful thus far.

I would really just like to know how you guys would draft in this league if you had the #1 pick?

I'm thinking LT/RB/QB depending who's on the board. Am I crazy for thinking about drafting Adrian Peterson at the 2:12/3:1 turn? I have a strong feeling he won't be there at 4:12/5:1 but there should be some solid recievers then...

The only problem with the LT+AD combo is I might have to handcuff them both which is going to really hurt my bench stock.

What do you guys think? LT/RB/WR? LT/WR/WR and pray for a decent QB/RB2 at the 4:12 turn?

I've read all the 1:1/2:12/3:1 draft posts and it's hard to use the advice there with this custom scoring system.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Willowdoc]

Ok last time I'll bump this thread. The replies have been very helpful thus far.I would really just like to know how you guys would draft in this league if you had the #1 pick?I'm thinking LT/RB/QB depending who's on the board. Am I crazy for thinking about drafting Adrian Peterson at the 2:12/3:1 turn? I have a strong feeling he won't be there at 4:12/5:1 but there should be some solid recievers then...The only problem with the LT+AD combo is I might have to handcuff them both which is going to really hurt my bench stock.What do you guys think? LT/RB/WR? LT/WR/WR and pray for a decent QB/RB2 at the 4:12 turn?I've read all the 1:1/2:12/3:1 draft posts and it's hard to use the advice there with this custom scoring system.Thanks in advance.

Well it turns out that they are there, just in collapsed columns in the VBD sheet. I haven't evaluated them, but thats what DD uses and they have projections. This is actually pretty excellent.

 

[Christo]

To get some basic valuations, take a look at the various free apps off the main page. They will help you with much of the scoring.

Plug your scoring system into the VBD spreadsheet or Draft Dominator. If you don't have a subscription there are free versions of both. While the projections are out of date, they will show you the comparable value of the players at different positions.