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North Korea = Nazi Germany (1 Viewer)

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Though it should be pretty easy to infer this was going on I was pretty stunned to see that NK is employing death camps. Very few news stories make me sick to my stomach, but this did.

While I don't know what can really be done about it this is the type of evil that needs to be stomped out. This regime needs to be toppled, but how?

 
In some ways it's worse than Nazi Germany, because the Nazis mostly killed outsiders, whereas the North Koreans commit their atrocities on their own citizens. So a better analogy is Stalinist Russia.

To answer your question, there's nothing we can do. China will simply not allow any foreign influence that close to China. That's why the Chinese attacked us when we crossed the Yalu in the Korean War (they also attacked the Japanese in the 16th century when they tried it.) All we can hope for is that the people themselves rebel someday. Maybe, given the Arab Spring, it might come sooner than we think.

 
It would not surprise me that they are death camps, but from the satellite pictures you can't be 100% certain that they are anything more than ordinary jails. Given that most of the people in North Korea are starving, I would also expect that they don't prioritize feeding political prisoners.

 
'Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Let's say a team of blackop Special Forces takes out Kim Jong. What's the downside to this?
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Goodbye Seoul? :shrug:
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I really don't think that would happen. Kim is crazy but he's not dumb. Nobody gets to the position he has reached without being very clever. He'd rattle his saber and we'd pay him off somehow but dropping a nuke isn't something I believe would happen. Perhaps I'm entirely too naive.
 
'Dr. Awesome said:
'Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Let's say a team of blackop Special Forces takes out Kim Jong. What's the downside to this?
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Goodbye Seoul? :shrug:
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I really don't think that would happen. Kim is crazy but he's not dumb. Nobody gets to the position he has reached without being very clever. He'd rattle his saber and we'd pay him off somehow but dropping a nuke isn't something I believe would happen. Perhaps I'm entirely too naive.
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He doesn't need to use a nuke. I think Seoul can be shelled from North Korea. And why wouldn't Kim attack the South if he was attacked by the US, which maintains a massive military presence right on his southern border?
 
The Lisa Ling documentary, Inside North Korea, provides an inside look at North Korea. I listened to it (did not see it), and it was really interesting.

Here's a link to the entire documentary on youtube (46 Minutes)

Synopsis: "Join National Geographic's Lisa Ling as she captures a rare look inside North Korea - something few Americans have ever been able to do. Posing as an undercover medical coordinator and closely guarded throughout her trip, Lisa moves inside the most isolated nation in the world, encountering a society completely dominated by government and dictatorship. Glimpse life inside North Korea as you've never seen before with personal accounts and powerful footage. Witness first-hand efforts by humanitarians and the challenges they face from the rogue regime."

 
'timschochet said:
Maybe, given the Arab Spring, it might come sooner than we think.
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Maybe, but as with the "Arab Spring", it doesn't necessarily mean change would be good for them or us. It really can't get much worse for them, but the unknown is still somewhat scary.And, fwiw, I'm not sure that we'll be talking about what has been happening in the Middle East as an "Arab Spring" in 20 years. Possible we may be talking more along the lines of an extremist Islamic takeover that crushed individual rights even more than the secular regimes and created even more instability in the ME.
 
'Jewell said:
The Lisa Ling documentary, Inside North Korea, provides an inside look at North Korea. I listened to it (did not see it), and it was really interesting.

Here's a link to the entire documentary on youtube (46 Minutes)

Synopsis: "Join National Geographic's Lisa Ling as she captures a rare look inside North Korea - something few Americans have ever been able to do. Posing as an undercover medical coordinator and closely guarded throughout her trip, Lisa moves inside the most isolated nation in the world, encountering a society completely dominated by government and dictatorship. Glimpse life inside North Korea as you've never seen before with personal accounts and powerful footage. Witness first-hand efforts by humanitarians and the challenges they face from the rogue regime."
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She was targeted by Ping Pong Pang whenever this happened, right? Her or her sister were being held by the regime as they saw this video and then Superman or his given birth name William Jefferson Clinton flew in and then flew home with these prisoners. Maybe I have it wrong but I thought they were connected.

 
'Dr. Awesome said:
'Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Let's say a team of blackop Special Forces takes out Kim Jong. What's the downside to this?
Click to expand...
Goodbye Seoul? :shrug:
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I really don't think that would happen. Kim is crazy but he's not dumb. Nobody gets to the position he has reached without being very clever. He'd rattle his saber and we'd pay him off somehow but dropping a nuke isn't something I believe would happen. Perhaps I'm entirely too naive.
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He got his position by being the oldest son of Kim Il-Sung. Not much cleverness required.
 
'Don Quixote said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
'Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Let's say a team of blackop Special Forces takes out Kim Jong. What's the downside to this?
Click to expand...
Goodbye Seoul? :shrug:
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I really don't think that would happen. Kim is crazy but he's not dumb. Nobody gets to the position he has reached without being very clever. He'd rattle his saber and we'd pay him off somehow but dropping a nuke isn't something I believe would happen. Perhaps I'm entirely too naive.
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He got his position by being the oldest son of Kim Il-Sung. Not much cleverness required.
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Oof, fail on my part. Was still thinking of the elder.
 
'Sand said:
Though it should be pretty easy to infer this was going on I was pretty stunned to see that NK is employing death camps. Very few news stories make me sick to my stomach, but this did.

While I don't know what can really be done about it this is the type of evil that needs to be stomped out. This regime needs to be toppled, but how?
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North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.
 
'Chadstroma said:
'Sand said:
Though it should be pretty easy to infer this was going on I was pretty stunned to see that NK is employing death camps. Very few news stories make me sick to my stomach, but this did.

While I don't know what can really be done about it this is the type of evil that needs to be stomped out. This regime needs to be toppled, but how?
Click to expand...
North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.
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Wow.
 
dont remember where, but i do remember seeing night time pictures of north and south korea.

The South had lights and buldings andwestern standard roads. The North was pitch black had few buildings other then millitary and dirt roads.

 
'Chadstroma said:
'Sand said:
Though it should be pretty easy to infer this was going on I was pretty stunned to see that NK is employing death camps. Very few news stories make me sick to my stomach, but this did.

While I don't know what can really be done about it this is the type of evil that needs to be stomped out. This regime needs to be toppled, but how?
Click to expand...
North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.
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Marge Schott?
 
'Chadstroma said:
'Sand said:
Though it should be pretty easy to infer this was going on I was pretty stunned to see that NK is employing death camps. Very few news stories make me sick to my stomach, but this did.

While I don't know what can really be done about it this is the type of evil that needs to be stomped out. This regime needs to be toppled, but how?
Click to expand...
North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.
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:mellow:
 
'Mr. Pickles said:
'Chadstroma said:
'Sand said:
Though it should be pretty easy to infer this was going on I was pretty stunned to see that NK is employing death camps. Very few news stories make me sick to my stomach, but this did.

While I don't know what can really be done about it this is the type of evil that needs to be stomped out. This regime needs to be toppled, but how?
Click to expand...
North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.
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Marge Schott?
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:shrug: maybe he'a an art lover

 
'Chadstroma said:
North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.
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What part of this statement are people objecting to? His assessment of 1930s-era Germany is correct, and I think he's also right about North Korean society, although I could be wrong on that end -- North Korea isn't as open as Nazi Germany was.
 
Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

 
'IvanKaramazov said:
'Chadstroma said:
North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.
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What part of this statement are people objecting to?
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Yeah I don't get this either. This board is really weird sometimes. Ok all the time.
 
Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what.

The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean.

Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.

*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.

 
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'Chadstroma said:
Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what. The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean. Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.
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What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.
 
'Wrighteous Ray said:
'Chadstroma said:
Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what. The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean. Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.
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What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.
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His original comment was in regards to the people living IN the countries, not the totality of who is worse. But never mind reading for understanding the intent of the author or anything.
 
'mr roboto said:
'Wrighteous Ray said:
'Chadstroma said:
Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what. The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean. Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.
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What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.
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His original comment was in regards to the people living IN the countries, not the totality of who is worse. But never mind reading for understanding the intent of the author or anything.
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His original comment started with "North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good." That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways and I think is why some people have reacted to it. I think there would have been no reaction if he had said "living conditions in North Korea make the living conditions in Nazi Germany look good."
 
'mr roboto said:
:lmao:This is gonna end well. CHAD LIKES NAZIS!!1!1!!! OMG!
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Well they do have their place. Where would the video game and movie industries be without them? What kind of villains would we have, clowns?(Actually clowns might be worse, but then the games/movies would be so scary that nobody would play/watch them.)
 
'Wrighteous Ray said:
His original comment started with "North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good." That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways and I think is why some people have reacted to it. I think there would have been no reaction if he had said "living conditions in North Korea make the living conditions in Nazi Germany look good."
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Not to anyone that has progressed beyond third grade reading comprehension.
 
'Workhorse said:
Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia
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You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor. :scared:
 
Well I guess we'll get to see what difference a death makes. Oh yeah the new regime started off by firing a missile. Meet the new boss.

 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Workhorse said:
Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia
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You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor. :scared:
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This is why the US is falling behind .No cost labor would be a boon to the economy
 
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