North Korea = Nazi Germany (1 Viewer)

[Iraqi Information Minister]

Well I guess we'll get to see what difference a death makes. Oh yeah the new regime started off by firing a missile. Meet the new boss.

Don't be silly, silly American.Those were just fireworks.

 

[NCCommish]

Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor.

This is why the US is falling behind .No cost labor would be a boon to the economy

We have prison labor paid pennies an hour. We aren't so far off.

 

[roadkill1292]

Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what. The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean. Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.

What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.

Well, their particular neighbors are China and South Korea. They just don't have the same targets of opportunity that Chad's good friend Adolph Hitler had.(I joke, Chad)

 

[glumpy]

Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

Incredible reporting here.

 

[FavreCo]

Well I guess we'll get to see what difference a death makes. Oh yeah the new regime started off by firing a missile.

Think he's singing it as he pushes the launch button?

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

His original comment started with "North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good." That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways

Do you really think a reasonable person would interpret that comment as praise for Nazi Germany?

No, but I think a reasonable person could interpret it as "all things considered, North Korea is somewhat worse than Nazi Germany." Turns out he was just talking about living conditions in the country. I think he did clarify that in his second post, but by that time he had already become pissed off and condescending.

 

[NCCommish]

Well I guess we'll get to see what difference a death makes. Oh yeah the new regime started off by firing a missile. Meet the new boss.

Think he's singing it as he pushes the launch button?

Probably.

 

[Slapdash]

Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor.

This is why the US is falling behind .No cost labor would be a boon to the economy

We have prison labor paid pennies an hour. We aren't so far off.

Newt's child labor plans would help even more.

 

[NCCommish]

Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor.

This is why the US is falling behind .No cost labor would be a boon to the economy

We have prison labor paid pennies an hour. We aren't so far off.

Newt's child labor plans would help even more.

Maybe we could have the child janitors double up as his personal police force to round up the judges who make decisions he doesn't like.

 

[Osaurus]

In before pieces of flair reference.

 

[Chadstroma]

Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what. The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean. Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.

What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.

Not to sure how the Korean War started, are you?

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.

Not to sure how the Korean War started, are you?

I thought we were comparing modern-day North Korea to Nazi Germany. Didn't know we were talking about stuff from over 50 years ago.

 

[Chadstroma]

Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what. The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean. Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.

What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.

His original comment was in regards to the people living IN the countries, not the totality of who is worse. But never mind reading for understanding the intent of the author or anything.

His original comment started with "North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good." That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways and I think is why some people have reacted to it. I think there would have been no reaction if he had said "living conditions in North Korea make the living conditions in Nazi Germany look good."

It does make it look good. If for no other reason than Nazi Germany could present to the rest of the world a 'good' image of a 'well run' nation. Nazi Germany was birthed out of a Weimar Republic that was in shambles. Seemingly Hitler took that broken nation and make it vibrant again. The vast majority of Germans truly loved Hitler and that was not just because of his fiery speeches but because they believed that he saved the country. It was easy for a group like the German American Bund to present the 'superior' nature of the National Socialist party with Goebbels producing films of Fräulein's exercising in the beautiful German countryside or fielding a competitive Olympic team or huge rally in Nuremberg. The point is that many people in the world did not know the true evil that was the Third Reich until it was defeated and the death camps were fully revealed. North Korea can only muster a ghost town of a city full of party officials and absolute control to even attempt some sort of facade of decency. And again, the living conditions for most Germans did not look good but actually was good until later in the war. Stating that is not praising Nazi Germany or defending it. It is just a simple historical fact. The difference with North Korea is that the conditions are so bad that it makes the much better living conditions of Nazi Germany make it look 'good'.

 

[Chadstroma]

Well I guess we'll get to see what difference a death makes. Oh yeah the new regime started off by firing a missile. Meet the new boss.

Not surprising. A militaristic regime feeling it needs to show a sign of strength.

 

[mad sweeney]

Well I guess we'll get to see what difference a death makes. Oh yeah the new regime started off by firing a missile. Meet the new boss.

Think he's singing it as he pushes the launch button?

Probably.

He's probably got Team America on a loop and is even now, in his grief, preparing Cockroach Jong Il's spacecraft right now.

 

[Chadstroma]

What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.

Not to sure how the Korean War started, are you?

I thought we were comparing modern-day North Korea to Nazi Germany. Didn't know we were talking about stuff from over 50 years ago.

The comparison is on the regimes. I would have thought that that was self apparent. However, considering you badly misread every other meaning in what I wrote- I suppose I have to be very careful and spell everything out for you in complete detail.

 

[Thunderlips]

Either some of you have no clue what the conditions of N. Korea are (not only the horrid living conditions and widespread absolute starvation but the 1.6 million estimated* deaths from purges and concentration camps) or you are just conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction that Nazi Germany has to be the worse of the worse no matter what. The fact is that Hitler was absolutely evil as was National Socialism. I am not saying anything 'nice' about Nazi Germany nor trying to defend it. I am simply pointing out that living conditions for the average German (and taking groups like mentally handicapped, homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews among others out of the average) was substantially much better than the average North Korean. Don't have a knee jerk reaction. Understand what is being stated and then do some research and educate yourself.*That is the consensus estimate but some go as high as 4 million.

What about the part where the country goes around attacking all its neighbors? Seems like that should factor in somewhere.

His original comment was in regards to the people living IN the countries, not the totality of who is worse. But never mind reading for understanding the intent of the author or anything.

His original comment started with "North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good." That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways and I think is why some people have reacted to it. I think there would have been no reaction if he had said "living conditions in North Korea make the living conditions in Nazi Germany look good."

It does make it look good. If for no other reason than Nazi Germany could present to the rest of the world a 'good' image of a 'well run' nation. Nazi Germany was birthed out of a Weimar Republic that was in shambles. Seemingly Hitler took that broken nation and make it vibrant again. The vast majority of Germans truly loved Hitler and that was not just because of his fiery speeches but because they believed that he saved the country. It was easy for a group like the German American Bund to present the 'superior' nature of the National Socialist party with Goebbels producing films of Fräulein's exercising in the beautiful German countryside or fielding a competitive Olympic team or huge rally in Nuremberg. The point is that many people in the world did not know the true evil that was the Third Reich until it was defeated and the death camps were fully revealed. North Korea can only muster a ghost town of a city full of party officials and absolute control to even attempt some sort of facade of decency. And again, the living conditions for most Germans did not look good but actually was good until later in the war. Stating that is not praising Nazi Germany or defending it. It is just a simple historical fact. The difference with North Korea is that the conditions are so bad that it makes the much better living conditions of Nazi Germany make it look 'good'.

Just keep digging that hole deeper.In The Garden of Beasts was a pretty decent book about what you're saying, although IIRC, it painted a Germany a little less idealistic (for the non "list" people) than you do.

 

[Mario Kart]

Get a couple American industries in there and we have a new market to pawn off 7-11's, McDonald's, walmarts, and home depots. Oh, and Subways.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

However, considering you badly misread every other meaning in what I wrote- I suppose I have to be very careful and spell everything out for you in complete detail.

That's all I'm asking for. Thanks.

 

[timschochet]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

 

[Chadstroma]

Just keep digging that hole deeper.In The Garden of Beasts was a pretty decent book about what you're saying, although IIRC, it painted a Germany a little less idealistic (for the non "list" people) than you do.

Idealistic? Seriously, reading comprehension should really be taught in schools.

 

[NCCommish]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

 

[Chadstroma]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

I am pretty sure that is why he used the "outsiders"

 

[timschochet]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

Not according to the Nuremberg Laws. But even if we ignore that, German Jews represented something like 3-5% of the German population. The bulk of the Jews who died in the Holocaust were Polish and eastern European Jews, who represented in some places a third of the entire population prior to 1941.

 

[NCCommish]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

I am pretty sure that is why he used the "outsiders"

Jews have been Germans since Charlemagne. How many centuries before you are a German?

 

[NCCommish]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

Not according to the Nuremberg Laws. But even if we ignore that, German Jews represented something like 3-5% of the German population. The bulk of the Jews who died in the Holocaust were Polish and eastern European Jews, who represented in some places a third of the entire population prior to 1941.

Yeah the Nuremberg Laws don't count. There were at least 200k German Jews still in country at the start of WW2. Just seems a little weird to let the Germans off for killing Germans because the people doing the killing wrote a law.

 

[timschochet]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

I am pretty sure that is why he used the "outsiders"

Jews have been Germans since Charlemagne. How many centuries before you are a German?

This is not true. The Jews lived in Germany since before Charlemagne, but were never given German citizenship until the mid 19th century, after the Napoleon era created a wave of liberalism with regard to treatment of ethnics in western Europe. But this reform did not take hold very well in Germany: long before the Nazis, a majority of the German public never accepted the Jews as Germans, and the first aspect of all of the anti-Semitic movements (which were extremely popular in the late 19th century and early 20th century) was to take citizenship away from these "fake Germans".

 

[Slapdash]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

I am pretty sure that is why he used the "outsiders"

Jews have been Germans since Charlemagne. How many centuries before you are a German?

This is not true. The Jews lived in Germany since before Charlemagne, but were never given German citizenship until the mid 19th century, after the Napoleon era created a wave of liberalism with regard to treatment of ethnics in western Europe. But this reform did not take hold very well in Germany: long before the Nazis, a majority of the German public never accepted the Jews as Germans, and the first aspect of all of the anti-Semitic movements (which were extremely popular in the late 19th century and early 20th century) was to take citizenship away from these "fake Germans".

Keep Germany Germany

 

[Apple Jack]

Just keep digging that hole deeper.In The Garden of Beasts was a pretty decent book about what you're saying, although IIRC, it painted a Germany a little less idealistic (for the non "list" people) than you do.

Idealistic? Seriously, reading comprehension should really be taught in schools.

No, we get it. The blue-eyed boys didn't have it nearly as bad as North Korea. Unfortunate for those "other" people. But they don't matter in the final accounting of Nazi Germany anyway, because this is just about the people Hitler ruled over. Like they would even matter anyway. Hitler really had some good ideas.I'll bet 9/11 was a pretty wild TV show for you.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

Bunch of history Nazis up in here.

 

[Sheriff66]

Did you think NK was like visiting the Bahamas?

 

[Hov34]

This is gonna end well. CHAD LIKES NAZIS!!1!1!!! OMG!

Well they do have their place. Where would the video game and movie industries be without them? What kind of villains would we have, clowns?(Actually clowns might be worse, but then the games/movies would be so scary that nobody would play/watch them.)

Yeah, #### clowns in my video games. They are way worse than Nazis.wait...

 

[Chadstroma]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

I am pretty sure that is why he used the "outsiders"

Jews have been Germans since Charlemagne. How many centuries before you are a German?

Timmy can speak for himself but my reading of that and the use of the slant for "outsiders" was to suggest that that is how the ruling regime saw the German Jew (and other 'non-desirables') not that they were indeed "outsiders". If he really meant that then he likely would not have gone through the trouble of using the slant function. I swear, people lose every ounce of sense when you throw out a 'Nazi' or 'Hitler' reference.

 

[Chadstroma]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

Not according to the Nuremberg Laws. But even if we ignore that, German Jews represented something like 3-5% of the German population. The bulk of the Jews who died in the Holocaust were Polish and eastern European Jews, who represented in some places a third of the entire population prior to 1941.

Yeah the Nuremberg Laws don't count. There were at least 200k German Jews still in country at the start of WW2. Just seems a little weird to let the Germans off for killing Germans because the people doing the killing wrote a law.

Who is letting anyone off for anything?

 

[scoobygang]

Also, the trains ran on time. Advantage, Nazis.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

So I smell a Tyrannical Dictatorship Draft in the works?

 

[kentric]

North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.

So, but for all the persecuted races/social types which were either murdered or forced to leave Germany, life in Nazi Germany could be considered better than NK. Got it. When you keep the ones that are left, they did have it relatively good compared to NK.

 

[Chadstroma]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Weren't some of the Jews Germans?

I am pretty sure that is why he used the "outsiders"

Jews have been Germans since Charlemagne. How many centuries before you are a German?

This is not true. The Jews lived in Germany since before Charlemagne, but were never given German citizenship until the mid 19th century, after the Napoleon era created a wave of liberalism with regard to treatment of ethnics in western Europe. But this reform did not take hold very well in Germany: long before the Nazis, a majority of the German public never accepted the Jews as Germans, and the first aspect of all of the anti-Semitic movements (which were extremely popular in the late 19th century and early 20th century) was to take citizenship away from these "fake Germans".

There are accounts of German Jews who were WWI vets being lead into the gas chambers outraged that they fought for Germany, showing their medals of valor and the SS just laughed at them as they continued to lead them to their deaths. They were absolutely German but they were not seen as such by those in power. Hence the outsiders reference.

 

[Chadstroma]

Just keep digging that hole deeper.In The Garden of Beasts was a pretty decent book about what you're saying, although IIRC, it painted a Germany a little less idealistic (for the non "list" people) than you do.

Idealistic? Seriously, reading comprehension should really be taught in schools.

No, we get it. The blue-eyed boys didn't have it nearly as bad as North Korea. Unfortunate for those "other" people. But they don't matter in the final accounting of Nazi Germany anyway, because this is just about the people Hitler ruled over. Like they would even matter anyway. Hitler really had some good ideas.I'll bet 9/11 was a pretty wild TV show for you.

Are you fishing, have no reading comprehension capability or off your meds?

 

[heckmanm]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. Wapner was a Nazi??

 

[Chadstroma]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. Wapner was a Nazi??

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

those babyfaced Kims could never grow a sweet mustache like Hitler.

 

[Apple Jack]

Also, the trains ran on time. Advantage, Nazis.

 

[Sand]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. Wapner was a Nazi??

BTW, Chad - I got what you were saying. Not sure why the thread exploded over it, as I thought what you said was pretty straightforward.

Tim - I agree about Stalin. NK could easily be worse than Stalin. Not enough people for anything of that magnitude, though.

 

[joetrow]

Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor.

This is why the US is falling behind .No cost labor would be a boon to the economy

We have prison labor paid pennies an hour. We aren't so far off.

Newt's child labor plans would help even more.

Maybe we could have the child janitors double up as his personal police force to round up the judges who make decisions he doesn't like.

 

[Fennis]

Chad is actually right here, and I made the point earlier in the thread that a far better analogy for North Korea is Stalinist Russia. Nazi Germany was a country which mostly persecuted outsiders such as Jews and Slavs. Few of its most horrific crimes were committed against the German people themselves. (There are some famous exemptions to this: the purges of 1934, the euthenasia movement, the People's Court, especially after the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. But these events only affected a very small percentage of the German public.)

Stalinist Russia, in contrast, was a country that persecuted it's own people to a degree that has never existed in history except for short periods during revolutions. Stalin's reign was like an ongoing revolution, in which new villains were constantly being sought out and eliminated. North Korea has some similarities to this, though I doubt ANY country can ever match the scale of the Stalin years.

So I smell a Tyrannical Dictatorship Draft in the works?

1.1 Stanley Kubrick

 

[Fennis]

oh wait. my bad

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor.

This is why the US is falling behind .No cost labor would be a boon to the economy

We have prison labor paid pennies an hour. We aren't so far off.

Newt's child labor plans would help even more.

Maybe we could have the child janitors double up as his personal police force to round up the judges who make decisions he doesn't like.

 

[17seconds]

North Korea makes Nazi Germany look good. As long as you did not fall under one of the unfortunate groups that were targeted for death camps, work camps, etc then life as a German was pretty good until a bit later when the war fortunes turned. In North Korea, unless you are party leadership or military- then you live basically in the dark ages and are starving.

What part of this statement are people objecting to? His assessment of 1930s-era Germany is correct, and I think he's also right about North Korean society, although I could be wrong on that end -- North Korea isn't as open as Nazi Germany was.

OMG YOU TOO?!!?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Anyone seen the reports about the North Korean slave camps in Siberia? Apparently there's an agreement between Russia and NK where Korean slaves work in the middle of nowhere in the Russian logging industry:

Korean slaves in Siberia

You know the worldwide economy is bad when Russia has to outsource its slave labor.

This is why the US is falling behind .No cost labor would be a boon to the economy

We have prison labor paid pennies an hour. We aren't so far off.

Newt's child labor plans would help even more.

Maybe we could have the child janitors double up as his personal police force to round up the judges who make decisions he doesn't like.

Simply brilliant.