What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Not with a ten foot pole (1 Viewer)

T

Team Canada

Footballguy
Let's get an exclude list going.

I usually have comments in my draft dominator that say things like "Only if you're really DRUNK" beside guys like TO and Moroney.

I'm starting my list. I say anyone from Seattle and Buffalo.

Who won't you touch with a ten foot pole this year?

 
Any Patriot outside of Brady and Washington RBs....too many mind games from the HC to make it worth while.

 
radballs said:
Usually don't exclude any players potentially draftable if the price is right.
Click to expand...
I agree in theory but for the purposes of discussion and this post.........Owen Daniels (I think he is done and once we get a long look at James Casey there could be no turning back.....*fingers crossed says the Casey owner*)Steven Jackson (I offloaded him in all of my dynasty leagues during the off season because I don't see him ever living up to his ADP again)Dwayne Bowe (perennially overrated and until he proves himself, I'm not going there)
 
Portis

Randy Moss

T Owens

Lienart

Vick

Roethlesberger

No surprises........just guys that I dont target and wont draft. Big Ben might be the only premature guy on my DND list........but I dont care. I want nothing to do with him

 
Welker....too many questions to draft him where you have to draft him.

Roethelessberger......as mentioned above

Darren McFaddon....just gonna set me up for more dissapointment

 
Anyone from Ghana!! GO US. But seriously... Fred Jackson, Spiller I would touch from Buffalo, maybe at least prod with a 5' pole. Forsett could be valuable in PPR. Is this for a 16 player redraft?? I think that's indicative of the NFL/fantasy conundrum, there are a ton of question marks every year, those who will step up for the first time, those that will fall off, and THE CONSISTENT ONES. Players that have burned me in the past I tend to stay away from: Lynch, Leinart (even though I did draft him in one league WITH Anderson), Portis, Avery, Royal, Campbell, Norwood, Evans, Heap, Barber, K Smith, Addai, Jacobs, Cadillac, S Moss or situations like Oakland RB's, NY Giants RB's, WR corps with bad or rookie QB (Bills, Rams...)

Of course the draft always dictates what's available and then there's what I might need out of a 2nd or 3rd tier player. There are always surprises.

 
Vincent Jackson.

Between the possibility of hold out and a suspension, and even the long term "knucklhead factor" - non for me, thanks.

 
DoubleG said:
Vincent Jackson.Between the possibility of hold out and a suspension, and even the long term "knucklhead factor" - non for me, thanks.
Click to expand...
I remember in July and August of last year Brandon Marshall was sliding way down in drafts also...be careful with this.
 
Donnybrook said:
DoubleG said:
Vincent Jackson.Between the possibility of hold out and a suspension, and even the long term "knucklhead factor" - non for me, thanks.
Click to expand...
I agree. If and when he signs elsewhere I doubt that he will be as productive as he was on San Diego.
Click to expand...
I'd be surprised if SD lets him sign elsewhere, but who am I...?McFadden -- I think Bush is primed for the lead role, and really regret dealing him in a couple of leagues very early in the offseason. I'll take Bush at his ADP anyday...RMoss -- at his ADP, I just can't believe that he's going to be more productive this season than any of the immediate 4-5 WRs being drafted after him...
 
Cooley said:
Dwayne Bowe
Click to expand...
Really? I can see not being super high on him at his ADP, but on a 10 foot pole list?Granted, last year was a huge bummer, but in the prior 2 years - his first 2 years in the league - he combined for over 150 catches and over 2000 yards with 12 TDs. He has the size, and skill set to be a stud. He has Charlie Weiss as his new OC, and Todd Haley as his HC - both guys who have shown a propensity to make good use of their passing attacks. There are definitely questions regarding his work ethic, and the issues last year with the diuretic (or masking agent depending upon what you believe), but he will be the WR1 in what could be a pretty diverse offensive unit this season with Charles and McCluster keeping the defenses on their toes, and Chambers presenting a viable option on the other side. I see him as a "proceed with caution" type player with great upside, but by no means a "10 foot pole" player IMO. Just a different view I guess. Maybe slightly influenced by the fact that he is on my roster...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Steven Jackson

No way I could burn a first-round pick on him given the past durability issues, off-season back surgery, and overall lack of support from the passing game.

 
1. The premise of this list is dumb, IMO. There is nobody that's untouchable. It should be a "not-anywhere-near-their-ADP-so-I-highly-doubt-I'll-end-up-with-them" list.

2. I was surprised to see Maroney mentioned. I think he and Forsett will be two of the best guys to get this year, allowing you to go STUD RB if you're in the top 6 or so (AD/CJ/RR/MJD/Gore/Turner) then load up on WRs and a top QB before taking both relatively late.

3. Devin Thomas probably goes way too high to get. Although he could also be going low. He's a big gamble this year. I don't think I'll have Randy Moss unless he falls quite a ways.

4. Matt Ryan just isn't a good fantays QB, and nobody who has played at least two seasons of at least 12 games QB and not been in the top 10 at the position either year has EVER been in the top 10. So he won't be on any of my teams.

5. Santonio Holmes is a guy I won't have anymore. And I had been the biggest guy on Santonio for a year and a half or so before the trade to New York. Just don't think that's a good place for him this year. Perhaps next year, or 2012.

more to come later...

 
as stated above, I'll take any player for the right price, but the ones I'm going to mention are being drafted much higher than I care for.

SJax

VJax... atleast in Redraft; even in dynasty... hes one more DUI away from serious trouble.

M Turner in dynasty

R Grant in the 2nd... no way

J Charles a late 1st... no way

 
FreeBaGeL said:
DoubleG said:
David Boston - fool me once, shame on you, fool me 3 times... :lmao:
Click to expand...
THIS is the year.
Click to expand...
Is he back on the radar!?!? If so, I CERTAINLY have a final round pick with his name all over it...at this point, it is tradition.
 
Santana Moss -- as others have said, 2 great games and 14 dud games every year.

Lee Evans -- same deal as Moss, but with a worse QB.

Arizona QBs -- no reason to have to deal with that in a redraft.

Washington RBs -- Skeletor + they're all old = do not want the headache.

 
Instinctive said:
1. The premise of this list is dumb, IMO. There is nobody that's untouchable. It should be a "not-anywhere-near-their-ADP-so-I-highly-doubt-I'll-end-up-with-them" list.

2. I was surprised to see Maroney mentioned. I think he and Forsett will be two of the best guys to get this year, allowing you to go STUD RB if you're in the top 6 or so (AD/CJ/RR/MJD/Gore/Turner) then load up on WRs and a top QB before taking both relatively late.

3. Devin Thomas probably goes way too high to get. Although he could also be going low. He's a big gamble this year. I don't think I'll have Randy Moss unless he falls quite a ways.

4. Matt Ryan just isn't a good fantays QB, and nobody who has played at least two seasons of at least 12 games QB and not been in the top 10 at the position either year has EVER been in the top 10. So he won't be on any of my teams.

5. Santonio Holmes is a guy I won't have anymore. And I had been the biggest guy on Santonio for a year and a half or so before the trade to New York. Just don't think that's a good place for him this year. Perhaps next year, or 2012.

more to come later...
Click to expand...
I'm not huge on saying past stats are 100% indicative of future stats, but that's an amazing stat right there on Ryan. Wow. No QB has ever done this? Have any come close, i.e. came in 11th? I'd love to see more details on this one.....

 
NajehHejan said:
Instinctive said:
1. The premise of this list is dumb, IMO. There is nobody that's untouchable. It should be a "not-anywhere-near-their-ADP-so-I-highly-doubt-I'll-end-up-with-them" list.

2. I was surprised to see Maroney mentioned. I think he and Forsett will be two of the best guys to get this year, allowing you to go STUD RB if you're in the top 6 or so (AD/CJ/RR/MJD/Gore/Turner) then load up on WRs and a top QB before taking both relatively late.

3. Devin Thomas probably goes way too high to get. Although he could also be going low. He's a big gamble this year. I don't think I'll have Randy Moss unless he falls quite a ways.

4. Matt Ryan just isn't a good fantays QB, and nobody who has played at least two seasons of at least 12 games QB and not been in the top 10 at the position either year has EVER been in the top 10. So he won't be on any of my teams.

5. Santonio Holmes is a guy I won't have anymore. And I had been the biggest guy on Santonio for a year and a half or so before the trade to New York. Just don't think that's a good place for him this year. Perhaps next year, or 2012.

more to come later...
Click to expand...
I'm not huge on saying past stats are 100% indicative of future stats, but that's an amazing stat right there on Ryan. Wow. No QB has ever done this? Have any come close, i.e. came in 11th? I'd love to see more details on this one.....
Click to expand...
Sounds like a call for Chase/Drinen for this one.....
 
NajehHejan said:
Instinctive said:
1. The premise of this list is dumb, IMO. There is nobody that's untouchable. It should be a "not-anywhere-near-their-ADP-so-I-highly-doubt-I'll-end-up-with-them" list.

2. I was surprised to see Maroney mentioned. I think he and Forsett will be two of the best guys to get this year, allowing you to go STUD RB if you're in the top 6 or so (AD/CJ/RR/MJD/Gore/Turner) then load up on WRs and a top QB before taking both relatively late.

3. Devin Thomas probably goes way too high to get. Although he could also be going low. He's a big gamble this year. I don't think I'll have Randy Moss unless he falls quite a ways.

4. Matt Ryan just isn't a good fantays QB, and nobody who has played at least two seasons of at least 12 games QB and not been in the top 10 at the position either year has EVER been in the top 10. So he won't be on any of my teams.

5. Santonio Holmes is a guy I won't have anymore. And I had been the biggest guy on Santonio for a year and a half or so before the trade to New York. Just don't think that's a good place for him this year. Perhaps next year, or 2012.

more to come later...
Click to expand...
I'm not huge on saying past stats are 100% indicative of future stats, but that's an amazing stat right there on Ryan. Wow. No QB has ever done this? Have any come close, i.e. came in 11th? I'd love to see more details on this one.....
Click to expand...
That statement is not accurate. Kerry Collins, Steve DeBerg, Vinny Testaverde are examples.
 
PinkydaPimp said:
FreeBaGeL said:
DoubleG said:
David Boston - fool me once, shame on you, fool me 3 times... :kicksrock:
Click to expand...
THIS is the year.
Click to expand...
:mellow: i bought into the hype on him a few times as well.
Click to expand...
Redraft:Santana MossChris CooleyWashington RBsGreg Olsen - Suprised he hasn't been mentioned yetThomas JonesCaddillac WilliamsWillis McGaheeBrandon PettigrewRoethlisbergerGolden TateKevin SmithJulian EdelmanMontario Hardesty
 
ChuckLiddell said:
Cooley said:
Dwayne Bowe
Click to expand...
Really? I can see not being super high on him at his ADP, but on a 10 foot pole list?Granted, last year was a huge bummer, but in the prior 2 years - his first 2 years in the league - he combined for over 150 catches and over 2000 yards with 12 TDs. He has the size, and skill set to be a stud. He has Charlie Weiss as his new OC, and Todd Haley as his HC - both guys who have shown a propensity to make good use of their passing attacks. There are definitely questions regarding his work ethic, and the issues last year with the diuretic (or masking agent depending upon what you believe), but he will be the WR1 in what could be a pretty diverse offensive unit this season with Charles and McCluster keeping the defenses on their toes, and Chambers presenting a viable option on the other side. I see him as a "proceed with caution" type player with great upside, but by no means a "10 foot pole" player IMO. Just a different view I guess. Maybe slightly influenced by the fact that he is on my roster...
Click to expand...
My take on the 10FP list is that it's not for the guys who are obviously untalented or done (common sense tells you to stay away from them) but for players exactly like Bowe. They have promise on paper but end up being frustrating to own. I'd rather pay a little more for someone who I have confidence in (even as a WR2 or WR3 in my lineup). Or pay less for a wild card flyer who won't cost me much if he doesn't pan out.We cool?
 
Cooley said:
ChuckLiddell said:
Cooley said:
Dwayne Bowe
Click to expand...
Really? I can see not being super high on him at his ADP, but on a 10 foot pole list?Granted, last year was a huge bummer, but in the prior 2 years - his first 2 years in the league - he combined for over 150 catches and over 2000 yards with 12 TDs. He has the size, and skill set to be a stud. He has Charlie Weiss as his new OC, and Todd Haley as his HC - both guys who have shown a propensity to make good use of their passing attacks. There are definitely questions regarding his work ethic, and the issues last year with the diuretic (or masking agent depending upon what you believe), but he will be the WR1 in what could be a pretty diverse offensive unit this season with Charles and McCluster keeping the defenses on their toes, and Chambers presenting a viable option on the other side. I see him as a "proceed with caution" type player with great upside, but by no means a "10 foot pole" player IMO. Just a different view I guess. Maybe slightly influenced by the fact that he is on my roster...
Click to expand...
My take on the 10FP list is that it's not for the guys who are obviously untalented or done (common sense tells you to stay away from them) but for players exactly like Bowe. They have promise on paper but end up being frustrating to own. I'd rather pay a little more for someone who I have confidence in (even as a WR2 or WR3 in my lineup). Or pay less for a wild card flyer who won't cost me much if he doesn't pan out.We cool?
Click to expand...
I was born cool.I totally see what you are saying here. I think we actually agree that Bowe is a risky proposition. We just had different interpretations on the 10FP. I actually think your understanding of it is in fact it's intended meaning.
 
I think it's easier to make a list if you use the premise of: I wouldn't draft that guy anywhere close to where he is going.

 
Beanie Wells ranked WAY too high for my tastes. Someone really going to spend a late second round pick on this guy? No thanks.

 
radballs said:
Usually don't exclude any players potentially draftable if the price is right.
Click to expand...
This is true, but considering players are drafted near their ADP, which players won't you take this season for whatever your reasons are. I'm shying away from Pierre Thomas, Tom Brady, Randy Moss, and Tony Gonzalez to name one player in each position.
 
griff321 said:
Any Patriot outside of Brady and Washington RBs....too many mind games from the HC to make it worth while.
Click to expand...
If you will draft Brady you have to believe they will have a passing game. Who is he going to throw the ball to? Welker is a huge question mark, Tate? Holt? WHO? My point is this: How can anyone in thier right mind Think Brady is draftable and Moss isn't? Someone has to catch the ball, the running game is well below average. They will throw the ball and Moss will catch the ball.

 
Yellow Line is Unoffcial said:
griff321 said:
Any Patriot outside of Brady and Washington RBs....too many mind games from the HC to make it worth while.
Click to expand...
If you will draft Brady you have to believe they will have a passing game. Who is he going to throw the ball to? Welker is a huge question mark, Tate? Holt? WHO? My point is this: How can anyone in thier right mind Think Brady is draftable and Moss isn't? Someone has to catch the ball, the running game is well below average. They will throw the ball and Moss will catch the ball.
Click to expand...
In a redraft, the Patriot I'm going after is Laurence Maroney. He's actually been decent when he gets 15+ carries, and without any other real competition and some questions about Welker, i think he could really outperform his ADP and be a nice RB2 guy.
 
Instinctive said:
4. Matt Ryan just isn't a good fantays QB, and nobody who has played at least two seasons of at least 12 games QB and not been in the top 10 at the position either year has EVER been in the top 10. So he won't be on any of my teams.
Click to expand...
Ever heard of Troy Aikman.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Hartliner
2025 RB Lotto Ticket Rankings
Replies
43
Views
2K
Chaka
Chaka
Scoresman
2025 Shark Pool Rankings Contest - Taking Submissions - Consensus Rankings are here! Sort of...
Replies
12
Views
852
Scoresman
Scoresman
Joe Bryant
Big Idea And A Brand New Tool At Footballguys - The Assistant Coach
Replies
20
Views
639
Joe Bryant
Joe Bryant

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top