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Notable CUTS - 2023 (3 Viewers)

A few thoughts about Mattison. First, 4.1 YPC is not bad at all. There is a pretty long list of RB's whose career average is less than that, some of which are in the HOF. I'd be more concerned with the trajectory of that YPC number, which has basically decreased annually since he entered the league. That said, I've always felt that Mattison was a stronger complimentary back than he was a #1 option. Whether it be Chandler or someone else, I sincerely hope they mix somebody else in significantly. In other words, if Mattison gets 70-80% of the team's RB touches (which I think is highly unlikely) , I think he'll be less effective than if they keep him fresh. I don't have numbers to prove that. It's just based on having watched every Vikings game for the past 30 years, including every touch he's had with the team. He's better when used as a 1-2 punch (doesn't matter if he's 1 or 2), rather than trying to run him into the ground. That won't go well.
Except 4.1 is the career number. He was 3.8 last year, 3.7 the year before. On the same team that Dalvin was 4.4 and 4.7. And they let him go. Mattison's longest carry was 15 yards. Even leadfoot Kirk Cousins had one longer. The comp of Dameon Pierce at 4.2 is even more irrelevant. His team was terrible, all his backups were under 3. I don't understand what MIN is doing handing the backfield over to Mattison. And I would not be at all surprised if someone else leads the team year end. In fact I expect it.
Right. And 4.1 isn't a bad career number. Better than Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, John Riggins, and others. If the argument is that it's concerning that his average in his first two years (2019 and '20) were closer to 4.5, while the latter two years are sub-4.0, I'll buy that THAT might be a bit of a concern. And, like you said, the 15 yard long rush isn't much. He did have longer rushes in the previous seasons (I believe his career long is like 48). So, is he getting worse? Or is it just the relatively small sample size? I don't know the answer to that.

I do know that the eye test tells me that he's a poor man's Cook. Cook was faster and more explosive, with better pass-catching ability. Of course, Cook also got dinged up a lot. Mattison likely will too if they use him more than what I hope (which is 50-60%). We'll see. I like Chandler as a COP back, potentially. But I'll agree that going from Cook/Mattison to Mattison/Chandler is a downgrade. How much of one, not sure.

All of that said, he'll be serviceable, and their RB group is the least of their problems. I don't see anybody else leading the team in overall rushing numbers unless it's due to injury.
 
I don't hate him. I hate his career 4.1 yards everytime he rushes the football. Could that change given more touches? Maybe. My gut says it goes lower. We gonna find out what's he's got though.
I think coaches don't tend to focus as much on YPC as we do in fantasy - as long as they're mostly generating positive yardage and not leaving too many yards on the field. Plus there's the non-rushing activities like pass protection that will provide more opportunities.
They dont.

They have all 22 video of every snap of these players and they know the play calls, the assignments of all of their players on every one of these plays as well as a good understanding of their opponents defensive assignments too. They see these players in practice frequently and have a lot more information by which to judge these players than ypc.

Football fans should pay less attention to it than they do as well because its not a very meaningful statistic without a large sample size, and even then there are so many variables that affect that stat as teams, their personel, opponents ect keep changing over time.

4.1 ypc isnt really far from the average of 4.2 or 4.3 anyways.

As a Vikings fan I will state my opinion again that I dont think Mattison is a special RB. He is ok or good enough, but not special. I think this is all the Vikings want at RB right now. They have other priorities, and I think a budget resource aquisition philosophy that does not value the RB position very highly. I think their actions have shown us that.
 
I know what you're saying but isn't it a team decision not a player decision?

Ah, I don't know. That would change everything. I thought there was a process where the NFL assumed that the team would want him to play, so who knows how it could be abused?
Well the intersection would be the team doctor(s). He did have surgery but if the doctors say yay or nay, that's how the thing swings. So as far as abuse, it seems a lot easier for a team to abuse to the process than a player. But usually the abuse is to say they're healthier than they are in order to clear them to play, not the other way around. A player can't make these decisions they can just say my x,y,z hurts or feels good or whatever. But ultimately they can't clear themselves or they always would. But if I was him and I was ready to play I'd be wanting to be very vocal about it.
 
Shouldn't he have been selling himself this whole time as fully healthy or game ready? Why hasn't he? Could it be because he just isn't and we're all reading this too deep?
 
Ravens cut Melvin Gordon.


A cautionary tale about Wisconsin backs who come out of that program with tires balder than Robert Saleh.
IDK. 8 seasons over 6400 yards rushing and 55 TDs is a decent journeyman career. Was relevant for awhile. Never anything special.

He wasn't drafted to be "never anything special". Wisconsin running backs are run into the ground before they ever leave the program.
 
Yep. But he was a first-round pick, those are supposed to be more than "decent journeymen".

Shoot. I tried to quote all of you. His is more a cautionary tale of holding out when the guy behind you is better than coming from Wisconsin.

Jonathan Taylor is another "bald tire" guy from Wisconsin, and he's got teams utterly lining up for him (in their own way for an RB).

Taylor single handedly sunk teams who invested in him last year. The "day to day" without ever going on the IR was a nice touch.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

Ron Dayne
Melvin Gordon
Monte Ball
JT????
 
Shouldn't he have been selling himself this whole time as fully healthy or game ready? Why hasn't he? Could it be because he just isn't and we're all reading this too deep?
Could be.

Its a lot of drama and people just assume Taylor is faking the funk because he wants a new contract.

For all we know he is actually injured though.
 
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Shouldn't he have been selling himself this whole time as fully healthy or game ready? Why hasn't he? Could it be because he just isn't and we're all reading this too deep?

Because he'd be getting fined, I think, if he was healthy and holding out. So while the team and him are either hoping to work things out or for him to come to his senses, they stick him on PUP so he doesn't completely lose paychecks.
 
Vikings cut RB DeWayne McBride,
I was told he would easily beat out Mattison. Hmmm...
Its wild how much some people hate Mattison. The Vikings have basically indicated all offseason that he's their guy, and that they like him every bit as much or more than they liked Dalvin Cook.
I don't hate him. I hate his career 4.1 yards everytime he rushes the football. Could that change given more touches? Maybe. My gut says it goes lower. We gonna find out what's he's got though.
I mean more that people are in denial of what the Vikings think of him. They clearly love him, they signed him to a 2nd contract, and basically ignored bringing in any competition. People see the YPC and want to dismiss what the team itself is telling us with their actions.

Its actually reminding me a little bit of Joe Mixon. Where the Bengals clearly love the guy, they brought in basically no competition, and even stuck with him through multiple off field incidents. Yet I keep seeing people saying the Bengals or Vikings should trade for Taylor, and its like, no, they have the guy they like, just because the YPC is low, doesn't mean these teams are unhappy with their starter.

Its also why McBride and Chase Brown were both a little overrated in dynasty drafts, because "the path to starting isn't far away", but yes, yes, it is.
The Cowboys really liked Ezekiel Elliot the last few years too, does not mean they will be good for fantasy.

Sub 4.0 ypc hurts the entire offense and gave Tony Pollard the opportunity to steal his job.
 
A few thoughts about Mattison. First, 4.1 YPC is not bad at all. There is a pretty long list of RB's whose career average is less than that, some of which are in the HOF. I'd be more concerned with the trajectory of that YPC number, which has basically decreased annually since he entered the league. That said, I've always felt that Mattison was a stronger complimentary back than he was a #1 option. Whether it be Chandler or someone else, I sincerely hope they mix somebody else in significantly. In other words, if Mattison gets 70-80% of the team's RB touches (which I think is highly unlikely) , I think he'll be less effective than if they keep him fresh. I don't have numbers to prove that. It's just based on having watched every Vikings game for the past 30 years, including every touch he's had with the team. He's better when used as a 1-2 punch (doesn't matter if he's 1 or 2), rather than trying to run him into the ground. That won't go well.
Except 4.1 is the career number. He was 3.8 last year, 3.7 the year before. On the same team that Dalvin was 4.4 and 4.7. And they let him go. Mattison's longest carry was 15 yards. Even leadfoot Kirk Cousins had one longer. The comp of Dameon Pierce at 4.2 is even more irrelevant. His team was terrible, all his backups were under 3. I don't understand what MIN is doing handing the backfield over to Mattison. And I would not be at all surprised if someone else leads the team year end. In fact I expect it.
Right. And 4.1 isn't a bad career number. Better than Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, John Riggins, and others. If the argument is that it's concerning that his average in his first two years (2019 and '20) were closer to 4.5, while the latter two years are sub-4.0, I'll buy that THAT might be a bit of a concern. And, like you said, the 15 yard long rush isn't much. He did have longer rushes in the previous seasons (I believe his career long is like 48). So, is he getting worse? Or is it just the relatively small sample size? I don't know the answer to that.

I do know that the eye test tells me that he's a poor man's Cook. Cook was faster and more explosive, with better pass-catching ability. Of course, Cook also got dinged up a lot. Mattison likely will too if they use him more than what I hope (which is 50-60%). We'll see. I like Chandler as a COP back, potentially. But I'll agree that going from Cook/Mattison to Mattison/Chandler is a downgrade. How much of one, not sure.

All of that said, he'll be serviceable, and their RB group is the least of their problems. I don't see anybody else leading the team in overall rushing numbers unless it's due to injury.
Great. Now Mattison is Curtis Martin and Thurman Thomas. A HOF talent.
 
A few thoughts about Mattison. First, 4.1 YPC is not bad at all. There is a pretty long list of RB's whose career average is less than that, some of which are in the HOF. I'd be more concerned with the trajectory of that YPC number, which has basically decreased annually since he entered the league. That said, I've always felt that Mattison was a stronger complimentary back than he was a #1 option. Whether it be Chandler or someone else, I sincerely hope they mix somebody else in significantly. In other words, if Mattison gets 70-80% of the team's RB touches (which I think is highly unlikely) , I think he'll be less effective than if they keep him fresh. I don't have numbers to prove that. It's just based on having watched every Vikings game for the past 30 years, including every touch he's had with the team. He's better when used as a 1-2 punch (doesn't matter if he's 1 or 2), rather than trying to run him into the ground. That won't go well.
Except 4.1 is the career number. He was 3.8 last year, 3.7 the year before. On the same team that Dalvin was 4.4 and 4.7. And they let him go. Mattison's longest carry was 15 yards. Even leadfoot Kirk Cousins had one longer. The comp of Dameon Pierce at 4.2 is even more irrelevant. His team was terrible, all his backups were under 3. I don't understand what MIN is doing handing the backfield over to Mattison. And I would not be at all surprised if someone else leads the team year end. In fact I expect it.
Right. And 4.1 isn't a bad career number. Better than Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, John Riggins, and others. If the argument is that it's concerning that his average in his first two years (2019 and '20) were closer to 4.5, while the latter two years are sub-4.0, I'll buy that THAT might be a bit of a concern. And, like you said, the 15 yard long rush isn't much. He did have longer rushes in the previous seasons (I believe his career long is like 48). So, is he getting worse? Or is it just the relatively small sample size? I don't know the answer to that.

I do know that the eye test tells me that he's a poor man's Cook. Cook was faster and more explosive, with better pass-catching ability. Of course, Cook also got dinged up a lot. Mattison likely will too if they use him more than what I hope (which is 50-60%). We'll see. I like Chandler as a COP back, potentially. But I'll agree that going from Cook/Mattison to Mattison/Chandler is a downgrade. How much of one, not sure.

All of that said, he'll be serviceable, and their RB group is the least of their problems. I don't see anybody else leading the team in overall rushing numbers unless it's due to injury.
Great. Now Mattison is Curtis Martin and Thurman Thomas. A HOF talent.
Ummm, no. My point was that 4.1 YPC isn't terrible. Not sure why people think it is.
 
A few thoughts about Mattison. First, 4.1 YPC is not bad at all. There is a pretty long list of RB's whose career average is less than that, some of which are in the HOF. I'd be more concerned with the trajectory of that YPC number, which has basically decreased annually since he entered the league. That said, I've always felt that Mattison was a stronger complimentary back than he was a #1 option. Whether it be Chandler or someone else, I sincerely hope they mix somebody else in significantly. In other words, if Mattison gets 70-80% of the team's RB touches (which I think is highly unlikely) , I think he'll be less effective than if they keep him fresh. I don't have numbers to prove that. It's just based on having watched every Vikings game for the past 30 years, including every touch he's had with the team. He's better when used as a 1-2 punch (doesn't matter if he's 1 or 2), rather than trying to run him into the ground. That won't go well.
Except 4.1 is the career number. He was 3.8 last year, 3.7 the year before. On the same team that Dalvin was 4.4 and 4.7. And they let him go. Mattison's longest carry was 15 yards. Even leadfoot Kirk Cousins had one longer. The comp of Dameon Pierce at 4.2 is even more irrelevant. His team was terrible, all his backups were under 3. I don't understand what MIN is doing handing the backfield over to Mattison. And I would not be at all surprised if someone else leads the team year end. In fact I expect it.
Right. And 4.1 isn't a bad career number. Better than Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, John Riggins, and others. If the argument is that it's concerning that his average in his first two years (2019 and '20) were closer to 4.5, while the latter two years are sub-4.0, I'll buy that THAT might be a bit of a concern. And, like you said, the 15 yard long rush isn't much. He did have longer rushes in the previous seasons (I believe his career long is like 48). So, is he getting worse? Or is it just the relatively small sample size? I don't know the answer to that.

I do know that the eye test tells me that he's a poor man's Cook. Cook was faster and more explosive, with better pass-catching ability. Of course, Cook also got dinged up a lot. Mattison likely will too if they use him more than what I hope (which is 50-60%). We'll see. I like Chandler as a COP back, potentially. But I'll agree that going from Cook/Mattison to Mattison/Chandler is a downgrade. How much of one, not sure.

All of that said, he'll be serviceable, and their RB group is the least of their problems. I don't see anybody else leading the team in overall rushing numbers unless it's due to injury.
Great. Now Mattison is Curtis Martin and Thurman Thomas. A HOF talent.
Ummm, no. My point was that 4.1 YPC isn't terrible. Not sure why people think it is.
It’s only terrible when it’s used to argue against a player some one doesn’t like. Let’s just ignore that it’s about the league average.
 
A few thoughts about Mattison. First, 4.1 YPC is not bad at all. There is a pretty long list of RB's whose career average is less than that, some of which are in the HOF. I'd be more concerned with the trajectory of that YPC number, which has basically decreased annually since he entered the league. That said, I've always felt that Mattison was a stronger complimentary back than he was a #1 option. Whether it be Chandler or someone else, I sincerely hope they mix somebody else in significantly. In other words, if Mattison gets 70-80% of the team's RB touches (which I think is highly unlikely) , I think he'll be less effective than if they keep him fresh. I don't have numbers to prove that. It's just based on having watched every Vikings game for the past 30 years, including every touch he's had with the team. He's better when used as a 1-2 punch (doesn't matter if he's 1 or 2), rather than trying to run him into the ground. That won't go well.
Except 4.1 is the career number. He was 3.8 last year, 3.7 the year before. On the same team that Dalvin was 4.4 and 4.7. And they let him go. Mattison's longest carry was 15 yards. Even leadfoot Kirk Cousins had one longer. The comp of Dameon Pierce at 4.2 is even more irrelevant. His team was terrible, all his backups were under 3. I don't understand what MIN is doing handing the backfield over to Mattison. And I would not be at all surprised if someone else leads the team year end. In fact I expect it.
Right. And 4.1 isn't a bad career number. Better than Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, John Riggins, and others. If the argument is that it's concerning that his average in his first two years (2019 and '20) were closer to 4.5, while the latter two years are sub-4.0, I'll buy that THAT might be a bit of a concern. And, like you said, the 15 yard long rush isn't much. He did have longer rushes in the previous seasons (I believe his career long is like 48). So, is he getting worse? Or is it just the relatively small sample size? I don't know the answer to that.

I do know that the eye test tells me that he's a poor man's Cook. Cook was faster and more explosive, with better pass-catching ability. Of course, Cook also got dinged up a lot. Mattison likely will too if they use him more than what I hope (which is 50-60%). We'll see. I like Chandler as a COP back, potentially. But I'll agree that going from Cook/Mattison to Mattison/Chandler is a downgrade. How much of one, not sure.

All of that said, he'll be serviceable, and their RB group is the least of their problems. I don't see anybody else leading the team in overall rushing numbers unless it's due to injury.
Great. Now Mattison is Curtis Martin and Thurman Thomas. A HOF talent.
Ummm, no. My point was that 4.1 YPC isn't terrible. Not sure why people think it is.
It’s only terrible when it’s used to argue against a player some one doesn’t like. Let’s just ignore that it’s about the league average.
In that case, Mattison was below average at 3.8 YPC last season. He didn't qualify last year as he didn't have enough touches, but 3.8 YPC would have tied him for 40th in YPC amongst all qualifying RB.

 
Holy **** enough with the YPC stuff. This is the 'notable cuts' thread. I understand the YPC tangent was born out of this thread and that happens and I carry on and on in certain threads sometimes too, so no biggie, but let's call it. Take it to the Mattison thread or start a thread on FF philosophies. YPC is something people have debated forever and that's fine but how about no more here ok? I assume more cuts are going to be made as waiver claims process so when I see this thread bumped....

ok thanks and I love you. tell mom to grab beer.
 
Holy **** enough with the YPC stuff. This is the 'notable cuts' thread. I understand the YPC tangent was born out of this thread and that happens and I carry on and on in certain threads sometimes too, so no biggie, but let's call it. Take it to the Mattison thread or start a thread on FF philosophies. YPC is something people have debated forever and that's fine but how about no more here ok? I assume more cuts are going to be made as waiver claims process so when I see this thread bumped....

ok thanks and I love you. tell mom to grab beer.

Put me in the category that 4.0 YPC is not "good". Maybe if you're Brandon Jacobs or Mike Alstott but not a starting RB in 2023.

YPC last season

Michael Carter 3.5YPC
Leonard Fournette 3.5YPC
Rachaad White 3.7 YPC
Antonio Gibson 3.7 YPC
Kareem Hunt 3.8 YPC
Najee Harris 3.8 YPC
Ezekiel Elliot 3.8 YPC


This is the company he is in. A lot of these guys don't even have jobs or were forced to switch teams. Joe Mixon and Alvin Kamara averaged 3.9 and 4.0 YPC last year and it was considered a disappointment.

Not many relevant fantasy RB averaged under 4.0 YPC last season.
 
I am think that the Panthers want him on the practice squad and are gaming the system by releasing him after most teams have made other committments.
 
Reggie Roberson 22 TDs first two weeks of camp, 29 total w Titans.
Doesn't matter who ya ask, he was impressive and it's a huge head scratcher.
They hate good WRs so he was cut and not added to the PS
 
Zappe back to practice squad. But they still only have 1 on the roster, no? And did I read they only have 2 RBs?

And do we want a separate thread for waiver pickups? They're usually intertwined with cuts and I'm good here but whatever.
 
For you IDP folks, looks like Nicholas Morrow got cut from the Eagles. He was set to be the starting WLB. The veteran Zach Cunningham will slide in his spot probably.

Morrow should find a home though.
 

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