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Notable NFL Cuts - Spring 2015 (1 Viewer)
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saintfool
Dead sexy
i suspect he wouldn't take a paycut. that leaves Hawthorne - who stinks - as the other ILB and nothing else. they must have a target in the draft R1.
12punch
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
I think this was more 49er front office bumbling. Stevie was a good fit there, Kaep had a good connection with him, and now they burned a 4th for a one-year rental. I have little faith in York/Baalke doing the right thing very often, and to me this was a mistake. At 29 in July, Johnson still has the ability to get open and make plays. He'll help someone and could be a fantasy surprise if he finds the right spot.
FUBAR
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
could go back to ATL. 'Spoon is out and they would like someone alongside Worrilow. Bartu isn't a starter and Shembo is moving back outside.
Good connection? He caught 35 passes last year. The mistake was trading for him, not cutting him- you can get ~400 receiving yards out of a minimum salary player.Bruce Hammond said:
I agree that he's a better WR than that, but with his role on that team, cutting him (after he refused to take less money) was a no-brainer IMO.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Reading green bay and Chicago could go after him. If the pack afford him, he'd be a good fit
So much wrong here... Let me help a bit. He is correct that there was a good connection there because Kaep averaged 8.7 ypa when throwing to Stevie and completed 70% of his targets. On the whole season he was at 7 ypa and 60%, so yeah, there was a good connection.
And I don't know what your point was with the 400 yards. You think this is an aggregate totals game? 435 yards on 50 targets is not something you'll likely get out of a minimum salary player. 75 targets? Sure. But each play matters. Total stats without per play context are pretty silly as are arguments based on them. Give Stevie a prominent role, maybe 120 targets and then the totals go up and you are suddenly star struck... Moral of the story - targets tell more of a story than total yards.
Trading for Stevie last year was bizarre given the logjam of WRs on the team. But after losing Crabtree, they actually could have used him (thus his role would change from last year). So they trade for him when they don't need him and cut him when they do. Thus, this whole ordeal was a bumbling from the front office.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i think they were looking at him as insurance for an aging Boldin and recovering Crabtree. to simply say that Johnson sucked is lazy analysis. would we say the same for Vernon too? the whole offense seemed out of sorts. almost everyone on that offense underperformed.
In order to have a good connection, you have to actually connect.
The point about the 400 yards should be pretty obvious- his production there is very replaceable, and you could do so much, much cheaper than the ~$6M he was due to count.
The trade was dumb, their usage was probably as well, but cutting him makes all sorts of sense, especially since they are signing Torrey.
Why would any team give him a prominent role? What's he done in his career to warrant it?
That would be lazy analysis, but it's pretty clear that I didn't say anything of the sort.
I already explained how you misinterpreted the data... that 35 rec on 50 targets for 435 yards can't be replicated by just anyone and yet it's like you didn't even hear me... You just keep thinking 400 yards, derp, 400 yards. If you can't understand that Kaep being more productive throwing to Stevie means there was a good connection then I just can't help you. Kaepernick has good arm strength, but his completion percentage is questionable. If you find a guy he can hit 70% of the time, you should find a way to expand his role and keep him around. Instead they just signed a guy who has caught less than 50% of his career targets...
This is all moot, though. The 49ers are going to be horrible this season. They've now signed career underachiever Torrey Smith who will possibly fail to wrestle WR1 away from an aging Boldin for the second time. They've lost their key defensive players. They've lost their coach. Replaced an aging Gore with a younger plodder. This team will be a dumpster fire, which could yield some nice, unpredictable garbage time stats if you're into that.
*sigh*
So this dumpster fire of a team should have paid it's injury prone #3 (at best) WR who they barely utilize $6M this year- impeccable logic there.
No, they should've done the opposite of what they did. They never should have traded for him last year. They should have signed him this year when someone else didn't want to pay his $6M contract. But since they already had him, they should have renegotiated since he showed obvious (to people who understand basic statistics and/or have functional eyes) chemistry with their QB.
Also, how is he considered injury prone? And with the departure of Crabtree, he became the WR2.
But now they are paying Torrey $8M/year to be a WR2. Dumpster fire.
I said their mistake was trading for him in the first place, probably also not using him a little more, but this is about cutting him- that's the first correct thing they've done here.*sigh*
So this dumpster fire of a team should have paid it's injury prone #3 (at best) WR who they barely utilize $6M this year- impeccable logic there.
No, they should've done the opposite of what they did. They never should have traded for him last year. They should have signed him this year when someone else didn't want to pay his $6M contract. But since they already had him, they should have renegotiated since he showed obvious (to people who understand basic statistics and/or have functional eyes) chemistry with their QB.
Also, how is he considered injury prone? And with the departure of Crabtree, he became the WR2.
But now they are paying Torrey $8M/year to be a WR2. Dumpster fire.
It seems like you haven't even paid attention to the situation- they did try to renegotiate, he declined, they cut him- no brainer. Chemistry, lol.
He's injury prone because he's missed multiple games in each of the last two seasons and has injured just about everything you can during his career. Crabtree hasn't signed anywhere yet, and Johnson wasn't cut until they had a deal in place with Torrey- he was never going to be the WR2.
Yes, they may be a dumpster fire, which, again, only makes it more of a no-brainer to cut him at that salary.
There have been dozens of moves made in the last couple of days that deserved to be questioned/criticized. There is a reason no one is talking about this one- quit while you're behind.
You also claimed that there was no chemistry when anyone with two eyeballs and brain saw that Stevie (70%/8.7ypa) was pretty much the only guy Kaep had any chemistry with outside of Boldin (63%/8.1ypa).
You can "chemistry, lol" all you want this year when Kaep is completing 45% of his passes to Torrey for $22M guaranteed. It will be worth laughing about.
You can "chemistry, lol" all you want this year when Kaep is completing 45% of his passes to Torrey for $22M guaranteed. It will be worth laughing about.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
DT Randy Starks cut by Miami. Been around a long time but is just 31 years old. Can help some team out there.
Yeah I think the Cowboys should spend some money. RBs are cheap, get a bunch and not "potential" but good now, because you only have a small window to win. I mean even make sure you have the best FB money can buy too. Murray situation is done, can't go back in time, spend-who cares if it's more than Murray as a sum total now.
The Emmitt Smith line was awesome and very good for a long time. Kudos to them on building their current O-line. They gotta use it. I didn't in anyway feel that McFadden was enough, maybe the college RB but not the NFL one. They are a team that could truly win it all now with the right adds and I don't know if they can wait for players to develop.
Without Murray, I think the Cowboys are underrated right now. People probably need to see that line again and be reminded. Regardless, gotta have more than McFadden and "oh I hope he'll pan out" backups.
