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NY Giants on week 17... Play against History or Rest their Players (1 Viewer)

KellysHeroes

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Its a very interesting debate on the NY radio stations for the past month. If the Giants have their Playoff spot locked up and the Pats are 15 - 0 on week 17.... do the Giants go out there, play their starters, and attempt to stop history from being made; or do they lay down and rest players. A lot of Fans say that the Playoff win is much more important to the Giants and that they should give players like Plax & Pierce a week off, only give BJ a handfull of carriers and not risk injury to a player that is already labelled Injury prone. The Giants haven't gotten out of the 1st round of the playoffs in about 10 yrs; so personally... I am in firm belief that the Resting the starters for the Playoffs is a must in week 17 for the Giants if they have nothing to play for besides beating the Pats. They will either be playing the Seahawks or the Bucs in the 1st rd, and the Giants can most certainly beat either of those teams on the road.

Then there are the Fans (like Mike from Mike and the MD) who say that the Giants will "owe it to Football" and give it their best shot to defeat the Pats and stop History. Hey, if the Giants give it their best shot and lose Plax or another important player on that day... then lose the next week in the 1st rd; will Football owe TC a Job?

What does the SP think?

 
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I don't think the Giants owe anything to football to try and prevent New England from going 16-0. The Giants have to think about themselves and whats best for their own team. If the best thing is to rest starters, then thats what they should do. Leave it up to the other AFC teams to put an end to New Englands undefeated season and the Giants only have to worry about it until the Superbowl if they get there.

As for New England, I'd say the same thing, they don't owe anything to football to try and go 16-0. If I were the Patriots, I'd play my starters for a half and then rest them for the playoffs.

Christopher

 
just heard Clayton om ESPN radio. he thinks the Giants will rest players like Burress and Jacobs and play Eli a half next week. this is if NYG has the playoffs locked in.

 
I don't think the Giants owe anything to football to try and prevent New England from going 16-0. The Giants have to think about themselves and whats best for their own team. If the best thing is to rest starters, then thats what they should do. Leave it up to the other AFC teams to put an end to New Englands undefeated season and the Giants only have to worry about it until the Superbowl if they get there.
Exactly. The NYG don't owe anyone anything.
 
If the Giants get a win in Buffalo (big IF) then they owe it to themselves to be as healthy as they can be for the playoffs

 
It makes sense and all but there's something wrong with the idea of a team laying down like a ##### and throwing a game to the New England Patriots. I really hope the Bills will win tomorrow so the Giants have to play straight up.

 
let the discussion began
The ultimate goal of any team should be to win the Super Bowl; that is what a team "owes" to the NFL. Records are secondary and are not directly related to the integrity of the game - they simply are the result of teams playing for that ultimate goal. Just because a couple of idiots on a sports radio station feel otherwise doesn't make this much of a discussion.
 
I don't understand why this would be a discussion or debate. Giants have nothing to gain at all in week 17. Nothing.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I don't understand why this would be a discussion or debate. Giants have nothing to gain at all in week 17. Nothing.
Well, they are not playing good ball on the offensive side, so they certainly have that to gain - namely, to fix / gel the offense before the playoffs in a real-game circumstance
 
Doctor Detroit said:
I don't understand why this would be a discussion or debate. Giants have nothing to gain at all in week 17. Nothing.
Well, they are not playing good ball on the offensive side, so they certainly have that to gain - namely, to fix / gel the offense before the playoffs in a real-game circumstance
They ran for 300 yards today. Last time I checked my notebook that's pretty good offense.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
I don't understand why this would be a discussion or debate. Giants have nothing to gain at all in week 17. Nothing.
Well, they are not playing good ball on the offensive side, so they certainly have that to gain - namely, to fix / gel the offense before the playoffs in a real-game circumstance
They ran for 300 yards today. Last time I checked my notebook that's pretty good offense.
Did you watch the game? They had two long runs, but they did not play well as a wholeEli has no self-confidence, has not done #### in a whileHere are his numbers from todayE. Manning 7/15 111 0 2The passing game is in shambles at the moment. They are not poised to go far in the playoffs without some changes / improvement
 
Doctor Detroit said:
I don't understand why this would be a discussion or debate. Giants have nothing to gain at all in week 17. Nothing.
Well, they are not playing good ball on the offensive side, so they certainly have that to gain - namely, to fix / gel the offense before the playoffs in a real-game circumstance
They ran for 300 yards today. Last time I checked my notebook that's pretty good offense.
Did you watch the game? They had two long runs, but they did not play well as a wholeEli has no self-confidence, has not done #### in a whileHere are his numbers from todayE. Manning 7/15 111 0 2The passing game is in shambles at the moment. They are not poised to go far in the playoffs without some changes / improvement
Yeah I watched. They ran for 300 yards, that is not done that often in the NFL. Go back to your Patriots lair and hope you don't blow it. :goodposting:
 
KellysHeroes said:
let the discussion began
:confused: At this point what is their to discuss?Your threads are brutal.
Are they better than eom's threads? That is worth debate imo. Thoughts?
Can we agree both are terrible?
I don't know. I'd have to get closer to the issue, fill up my notebook and whatnot. Polling would be a lot like the 2000 Presidential election IMO.
 
KellysHeroes said:
let the discussion began
:confused: At this point what is their to discuss?Your threads are brutal.
Are they better than eom's threads? That is worth debate imo. Thoughts?
Can we agree both are terrible?
I don't know. I'd have to get closer to the issue, fill up my notebook and whatnot. Polling would be a lot like the 2000 Presidential election IMO.
This really isn't that difficult to figure out.
 
KellysHeroes said:
let the discussion began
:goodposting: At this point what is their to discuss?Your threads are brutal.
Are they better than eom's threads? That is worth debate imo. Thoughts?
Can we agree both are terrible?
I don't know. I'd have to get closer to the issue, fill up my notebook and whatnot. Polling would be a lot like the 2000 Presidential election IMO.
This really isn't that difficult to figure out.
You're right, they both are "winners" here. :thumbup:
 
KellysHeroes said:
let the discussion began
:confused: At this point what is their to discuss?

Your threads are brutal.
then stay away... your opinions very ZERO value to anyone here... seriously, you post just to bust stones... thats not what this forum is about.You don't even start threads... you just bounce around and annoy others... thats it; I'm done... you are offically on ignore.

 
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I was watching either sportscenter or NFL Live... and one of them suggested that the Commish actually encourage the Giants to play this game hard if it came down to this; since it would be the 2nd time in history that a team got to 16 - 0 and it'll be on "The Network" Saturday night. The game will have very little meaning if the Giants rest players, the ratings will be terrible (next to if they don't rest players and go all out).

Well, if the Giants lose an important player in that game... is the Commish going to encourage another 10 - 6 team to hire TC as their Head Coach...

 
KellysHeroes said:
let the discussion began
:no: At this point what is their to discuss?

Your threads are brutal.
then stay away... your opinions very ZERO value to anyone here... seriously, you post just to bust stones... thats not what this forum is about.You don't even start threads... you just bounce around and annoy others... thats it; I'm done... you are offically on ignore.
:test:
 
Transcript: Coach Tom Coughlin:

Are you ready to have to dive into the national attention this upcoming game is going to get and the debate and discussion about how you should play it?

I can imagine that it is coming, but I think the first thing we have to do is think about our team and about obviously the next opponent, the Patriots, and where they are. Then assess exactly where we are coming from and I will do that as we move forward here. I am not ready to even talk about that stuff today.

Will the fact that they are undefeated affect your decision to sit people or not?

I think there are a number of issues. There will be a wealth of questions along each line. Quite frankly, it is not the kind of thing that I enjoy even contemplating. This is the 16th game of the year; it is against a team that is 15-0. The competitive challenge is great no matter what, and I think that is where I would start from. I would start with that as being number one. We are at home, we are playing against a 15-0 team, it is highly, highly competitive, and they are a very good team. We need to play at our very, very best and that is where I would start.

How much are you looking forward to having the confidence of defeating a 15-0 team going into the playoffs if you would do it?

I think that certainly would be a great thing and a wonderful thing. Of course you play every game to win and so all of our thoughts are on that. All of our thoughts are on trying to figure out how we can be in a position to defeat a team that is 15-0 and a very, very good team.

So right now you have not made a decision as to sitting players or playing at full-strength against New England?

That part of it, what I just tried to describe, is that I really don’t like that type of a scenario even to sit and ponder and think about. I would rather think about how it is we can play the game against a very good opponent to have an opportunity to win and normally all the other things that take place will come about with the result of us playing our 16th game as focused as we can. Now that having been said, have I done a lot of thinking the other way? Not at this point in time. I will spend some time thinking about that in conjunction, as I said, with our medical people. Then moving forward we will decide in fact if there is going to be some consideration for that moving forward. I am not going to be quoted on any of that at this point in time. It is kind of a difficult thing for me to even talk about because we want to win every game. We want to win every game and we want our players to be as sharp as they can, but that having been said, I am aware of the fact that all the things you talk about are true. We cannot improve our lot etc. I won’t be really painted into the corner on any of those things. I wish I had a more definitive answer, something that you, I know you want to, express and quote, but I am not going to do that. I probably won’t do that in any specific manner even moving forward. I will have some thoughts on what I want to do, but I want our team to be prepared to go. I want us to focus and I want our team ready to go.

What about the notion that you have earned the right to have a bye this week, so to speak, and rest players for the next game?

Sure, I understand that, too, but I would remind you that there are 45 guys on an active day roster. You can maneuver those 45 as best as you can, but those are the guys that are going to have to play the game no matter how it is set up. Let’s take seven offensive linemen into the game, there are seven guys to play the game, and they have to play.

How much of a factor would be playoff momentum here?

I think that is certainly something that you have to consider as well. We all want that, everybody wants that, and we are all shooting for that. I would say New England would like the same thing or any team that is in would like the same thing.

Haven’t you earned the right by virtue of the win yesterday to do what is right for the team, whether it is rest guys or play guys a quarter?

I don’t think anybody is questioning that. That isn’t even something that I would question. Earned the right is earned the right. We are in the playoffs and our seed doesn’t change and from that standpoint we have to do what is best for our team, but I also want our team to be as sharp as we possibly can be.

Coach TC is going to want to play this game hard... but not at the expense of being one and done again. I bet he atleast makes an attempt to keep up with the Pats.. but at the moment they begin to pull away; everyone is out of there.

 
Plus the Giants won't want to show the Pats everything they have since they most likely need to beat NE to win the Super Bowl.

 
candy bar said:
Plus the Giants won't want to show the Pats everything they have since they most likely need to beat NE to win the Super Bowl.
haha... nice wishfully thinking; but you never know... NYG can get by TB... then maybe head to a Dallas team with a banged up TO and Romo... then your talking about the Conf Championship.... anything is possible.
 
now that the game will be viewed to the Nation... wonder if the Commisher actually does put a little pressure on the TC to atleast attempt to keep up with the Pats for a half... I'm sure the Players may want to play this game now. The Commisher will atleast want sometime of advance notice if the Giants plan to bench their starters or not.

 
Normally I'd blast the line of thinking I'm about to throw out here but I've thought this one through and here's how I see it.

The Giants should play their starters, throw everything they've got at the Patriots and approach the game as if they need to win it to make the playoffs, threat of injury be damned. Does it make sense ... not really. But here's how I've come up with this.

The Giants have pretty much zero shot of winning the Super Bowl this year (this is coming from a Giants fan). They might win a game. Then they likely lose in Dallas or Green Bay. Best case scenario they have a few things bounce their way and they actually earn the right to lose the Super Bowl to whatever team the AFC belches out. That being the case ... make your mark in history this weekend. Everyone remembers it was the Fins that ruined the Bears chance of the unbeaten season. Sure maybe some remember it because they were protecting their own record, however, I still conted that regardless of who would've beaten the Bears that season, people would remember it today. So in effect, this is the Giants Super Bowl. Beat the Patriots and you can say you toppled the best the AFC has to offer. So what if you follow it up with a first round playoff exit? I still say it's a bigger win than going one and done in the playoffs. There's also an inexplicable feeling I have that beating the Patriots would earn Coughlin a longer leash in NY, regardless of what the G-Men do in January. Maybe, just maybe, beating the Patriots would be the confidence boost Eli needs and would allow this fragile team to come together a bit. Maybe, just maybe, beating the Patriots would help the Giants playoff run, not hurt it.

I wouldn't hold it against Coughlin if the Giants lost a starter or two this weekend, provided they were throwing the kitchen sink at the Patriots. That being said I don't think it's gonna happen.

The worst thing the Giants can do is lie down, allow the Patriots to get a 3 score lead and then watch them rest their starters for the entire second half. Then everyone hates the Giants (Patriots fans excluded), including their own fan base.

 
The worst thing the Giants can do is lie down, allow the Patriots to get a 3 score lead and then watch them rest their starters for the entire second half. Then everyone hates the Giants (Patriots fans excluded), including their own fan base.
No, the worst thing they could do is play their starters, lose Burress and Jacobs (for example) and go in to the playoffs very short manpower-wise. I don't think Coughlin is even remotely interested in "moral" victories right now.
 
since it would be the 2nd time in history that a team got to 16 - 0
:blackdot:
:thumbup: whats your problem? Only Mia has gotten this far... Of course now 16 - 0 means a Perfect regular season where as Mia went 17 - 0 in 72... The Pats will mark the 3rd time in history that a Team has had a regular season and only the 2nd during the merger.I believe The Bears were the only other team to have perfect regular seasons (1934 and 1942), only to lose in the Championship game. The Shark Pool is becoming more filled w/ stone busters everyday... instead of discussion the topics; they just rather pick it apart for mistakes...
 
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I don't think the Giants owe anything to football to try and prevent New England from going 16-0. The Giants have to think about themselves and whats best for their own team. If the best thing is to rest starters, then thats what they should do. Leave it up to the other AFC teams to put an end to New Englands undefeated season and the Giants only have to worry about it until the Superbowl if they get there.As for New England, I'd say the same thing, they don't owe anything to football to try and go 16-0. If I were the Patriots, I'd play my starters for a half and then rest them for the playoffs.Christopher
:blackdot: Giants need to worry about NFL playoffs, and getting as healthy/rested as possible going into them. 16-0 is NOT the Giants burden to defend. As a Giants fan, I'd rather they get clobbered this week and win a playoff game. NOT EVEN A DEBATE HERE...NFL NEEDS THIS FOR WEEK 17, NOT THE GIANTS.
 
NYG fan - they need to worry about the playoffs. Period. I know TC is a competitor and will try very hard to win the game, but I can't see risking starters to try to run with the PATS. While I agree with the earlier poster about throwing everything you have at the PATS and see what happens, TC would be villified even more than he has been already if the NYG do just that and don't come out of it with the win.

I peraonly think the NYG play their starters for the 1Q+ and see where they stand. If they are down, pull the starters and rest up TB. If, and only if, they are up by two scores do you keep your starters in there.

I wonder what the Pats would think if the NYG, who are expected to lay down by EVERYONE, did throw the kitchen sink at em'?

 
NYG fan - they need to worry about the playoffs. Period. I know TC is a competitor and will try very hard to win the game, but I can't see risking starters to try to run with the PATS. While I agree with the earlier poster about throwing everything you have at the PATS and see what happens, TC would be villified even more than he has been already if the NYG do just that and don't come out of it with the win.

I peraonly think the NYG play their starters for the 1Q+ and see where they stand. If they are down, pull the starters and rest up TB. If, and only if, they are up by two scores do you keep your starters in there.

I wonder what the Pats would think if the NYG, who are expected to lay down by EVERYONE, did throw the kitchen sink at em'?
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Normally I'd blast the line of thinking I'm about to throw out here but I've thought this one through and here's how I see it.

The Giants should play their starters, throw everything they've got at the Patriots and approach the game as if they need to win it to make the playoffs, threat of injury be damned. Does it make sense ... not really. But here's how I've come up with this.

The Giants have pretty much zero shot of winning the Super Bowl this year (this is coming from a Giants fan). They might win a game. Then they likely lose in Dallas or Green Bay. Best case scenario they have a few things bounce their way and they actually earn the right to lose the Super Bowl to whatever team the AFC belches out. That being the case ... make your mark in history this weekend. Everyone remembers it was the Fins that ruined the Bears chance of the unbeaten season. Sure maybe some remember it because they were protecting their own record, however, I still conted that regardless of who would've beaten the Bears that season, people would remember it today. So in effect, this is the Giants Super Bowl. Beat the Patriots and you can say you toppled the best the AFC has to offer. So what if you follow it up with a first round playoff exit? I still say it's a bigger win than going one and done in the playoffs. There's also an inexplicable feeling I have that beating the Patriots would earn Coughlin a longer leash in NY, regardless of what the G-Men do in January. Maybe, just maybe, beating the Patriots would be the confidence boost Eli needs and would allow this fragile team to come together a bit. Maybe, just maybe, beating the Patriots would help the Giants playoff run, not hurt it.

I wouldn't hold it against Coughlin if the Giants lost a starter or two this weekend, provided they were throwing the kitchen sink at the Patriots. That being said I don't think it's gonna happen.

The worst thing the Giants can do is lie down, allow the Patriots to get a 3 score lead and then watch them rest their starters for the entire second half. Then everyone hates the Giants (Patriots fans excluded), including their own fan base.
I would!!
 
Other than Eli, I think the Giants need to rest their starters. Eli can certainly use the work and what better way to boost his confidence than a good performance against the best team in the NFL? I think this is really the only shot that he has to carry them on his back through the playoffs......

 
For those of you who want the Giants to go full out to try and stop 16-0: Do any of you remember the particulars of the game in which Miami beat the '85 Bears? Where was it played? When was it played? Who scored in the game? Or is it that all you remember -- or had told to you -- was that the Dolphins beat the Bears.

Frankly, the Giants have NO chance of winning this week. Coughlin and the Giants owe it to themselves to be ready to play next week against Chucky and the Bucs. I would rather see them put up a competitive game against Chucky than to go full out (and still lose) to the Pats and then get blown out again next week.

My :goodposting:

 
For those of you who want the Giants to go full out to try and stop 16-0: Do any of you remember the particulars of the game in which Miami beat the '85 Bears? Where was it played? When was it played? Who scored in the game? Or is it that all you remember -- or had told to you -- was that the Dolphins beat the Bears.Frankly, the Giants have NO chance of winning this week. Coughlin and the Giants owe it to themselves to be ready to play next week against Chucky and the Bucs. I would rather see them put up a competitive game against Chucky than to go full out (and still lose) to the Pats and then get blown out again next week.My :wub:
Agreed. As a Pats fan & one who likes to wager, I've been paying attention to how teams perform coming off a loss to the Pats, and the hangover is brutal, esp. in the close games. I haven't looked specifically, but the only team OTTOMH I can think of that won the next week was Dallas.And if you are the Giants, you can't afford an emotional loss followed by the hangover game being round 1 of the playoffs.
 
tombonneau said:
Tom Servo said:
For those of you who want the Giants to go full out to try and stop 16-0: Do any of you remember the particulars of the game in which Miami beat the '85 Bears? Where was it played? When was it played? Who scored in the game? Or is it that all you remember -- or had told to you -- was that the Dolphins beat the Bears.Frankly, the Giants have NO chance of winning this week. Coughlin and the Giants owe it to themselves to be ready to play next week against Chucky and the Bucs. I would rather see them put up a competitive game against Chucky than to go full out (and still lose) to the Pats and then get blown out again next week.My :mellow:
Agreed. As a Pats fan & one who likes to wager, I've been paying attention to how teams perform coming off a loss to the Pats, and the hangover is brutal, esp. in the close games. I haven't looked specifically, but the only team OTTOMH I can think of that won the next week was Dallas.And if you are the Giants, you can't afford an emotional loss followed by the hangover game being round 1 of the playoffs.
The Ravens had a major hang over; so did AJ Feeley... but if the Giants give it a decent go at it and lose; I don't see them falling apart unless a star gets hurt.
 

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