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[MCguidance]

After waiting 13 long years on the NYJ's season ticket waiting list, I was at my first home game yesterday. The tickets are in the upper deck, hence the bird's eye view. I was also pretty involved in the game so I did miss a few things, but nothing I thought was too critical. God awful heat aside, it was a good time. What follows are a few thoughts and a tad bit of analysis.

Jets Passing Game

-The passing game never really clicked on Sunday. Although there were flashes of what it could be, ie the pass to Coles for a long gain, the nice corner route to Stuckey for the TD, the passing game seems a bit off. There seem to be a few reasons why. My best guess is that Brett is not yet comfortable and the line has not yet jelled completely. More importantly, the Jets were playing the Patriots defense, and at this stage they are better than the Jets offense. Although I can bet Favre has seen every coverage, the Pats move well/disguise and most importantly, stuff the run. When you stuff the run and force 3rd and longs, the passing game will likely fail more than it succeeds. Also, Coles and Favre on not in sync and Coles had a couple drops. Though, if I remember correctly, he was targeted more than Cotch.

Jets Running Game

-The Jets were able to run, as a team, for a 100 yards for a second week in a row. Thomas JOnes looks to have lost weight and hit the hole with some urgency. More likely, however, is that Jets are just better up front. Faneca is a big upgrade - and he really does help Mangold and Brick. In short, they were effective but effective enough. Although I may not agree with running three times in a row at the goal line, they were unable to push the Pats o line around. The hogs up front were unable to generate any push on a couple critical points during the game - most notably, on the left side at the goal line. Faneca, Brick, and Mangold failed when it mattered most.

Jets Defense

-ALthough they lost the game, the Jets defense is MUCH better than they were last year. Kris Jenkins makes a big difference up front, almost commanding two blockers. His ability to draw double teams enables the Jets linebackers to make tackles. Jenkins also contributed with a sack and six tackles. Holding the Pats ground game to just over 100 yards is commendable. But it seemed that when the Pats needed a first down, they were able to get one. The Jets defense is a solid unit, look for them to improve as the season progresses. As a team, holding the Patriots to 260 yards could have enabled the offense to win the game, but did not. A missed field, some let down plays - ie: Faulk's big catch and run to the 8, just outdid a good defensive effort. Note: Revis got beat on that deep ball, that much was obvious. But what you like to see is his hustle and refusal to quit. He was able to get a hand in on a poor pass from Cassel, otherwise it was an easy 6.

Pats Running Game

-A hodgepodge of running backs were just effective enough to keep the Jets D on its heels and the offense balanced. By moving the chains on key downs, Cassel only needed to be a good game manager, and to his credit, he did that well. I did notice that Jordan looked good - fresh and running hard. Take it for what it's worth that Maroney was once again ineffective and relegated to fewer than 10 carries. He looks destined to be a part of a committee until he leaves NE. Just my opinion.

Pats Passing Game

-Cassel managed the game well and made the short throws necessary to move the Pats into field goal range or down the field when they needed him to. He found Welker early and often which I believe built some confidence and moemntum for the offense. Whether Moss was hurt or Cassel has yet to develop a good rapport with Moss, I don't know. I do know that he underthrew Moss on that long pass attempt. As said before, that was an easy 6. I don't remember Cassel being pressured on that play, but I could be wrong. To the Jets credit, they did have several instances of pressure. I believe they had 3 sacks and several pressures/hurries. Cassel did complete 16/23, so he was obviously effective. The one thing I noticed, however (and this was to be expected), was his pocket presence. The Brady's and Manning's of the world are the gold standard - so it's hard to compare. But if you watched closely, there were instances were he looked a bit rattled and was unable to avoid the rush. That aside, I think he did well in his first start since high school.

Pats Defense

Their defense is a top notch unit. They do everything well. They stuff the run, play well in coverage and are able to get pressure on the quarterback. Most of all, however, they play big when they need to. They stuffed goal line stands and got a big sack in the 4th. They forced Favre to make a crucial interception that led to points, and held the Jets rushing and passing units without big plays (aside from that Coles play). If they are able to control the line of scrimmage, which I believe they did, they will continue to keep the Pats in the game and enable enough opportunities for the offense to be successful.

Conclusions/Some analysis: The Jets are not as good as the Patriots. It really is as simple as that. Many people said without Brady the Jets and Bills (and Bills seem stronger than the Jets, as well, but we won't know until they either play or several weeks go by) were now even or ahead of the Pats. I said this before the game and I am even more sure of this now, "Tom Brady is a huge part of the offense, but he did not play defense for an 18-1 team." Quite simply, the Pats are a well-run, well-coached organization. One person does not a team make. However, I think if I had to forecast the rest of the season, it's hard to know whether Cassel will bring them to the elite level. The playbook seemed fairly vanilla, with short passes, some slants, and the occasional deep ball. Will he be successful? I don't know, but he has a favorable situation that's for sure. It's just hard for me to see the Pats winning something significant with Cassel under center this year. Stranger things have happened, for sure. Once he becomes more acclimated to the playbook, the defense should be solid, enabling him to become more comfortable.

As everyone already knows, Brett Favre adds another dimension to the Jets offense. He is able to evade the rush, make quick decisions, and really throw the ball down field. I thought the contact on that deep ball to Cotch was incidental, but I am not surprised it was called. I think the Jets will get better. I don't think they will win 12 games, but I think they have an outside shot at 10. The offensive line is noticeably better as their running game, with the addition of Tony Richardson. The more time Favre has to learn the playbook and click with his WRs, the quicker the Jets will improve. I hope to do this every home game, and hope it provides even a bit of insight to this forum.

MC

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I have no problem with critiques, suggestions, etc. so fire away.

 

[MCguidance]

It's that poor of a writeup, huh? lol

 

[FantasyTrader]

Wow - I really enjoyed that! As a Thomas Jones owner in one leauge and a Cotch owner in my Dynasty league - more than the stats - you really helped me get a "feel" for how they played. What I took away from your writeup is that Thomas Jones did not to take away my week one impressions that he'll be the best #3 RB I drafted all year and even though Cotch is sitting behind Wayne, T.O. and Calvin in my dynasty league - he's my BYE receiver hands down. Considering the Pats are, as you said, a well run organization regardless of who's under center - I don't think Jets owners have a reason to be any less optimistic than they were after week 1.

Thanks MCguidance.

 

[MCguidance]

Wow - I really enjoyed that! As a Thomas Jones owner in one leauge and a Cotch owner in my Dynasty league - more than the stats - you really helped me get a "feel" for how they played. What I took away from your writeup is that Thomas Jones did not to take away my week one impressions that he'll be the best #3 RB I drafted all year and even though Cotch is sitting behind Wayne, T.O. and Calvin in my dynasty league - he's my BYE receiver hands down. Considering the Pats are, as you said, a well run organization regardless of who's under center - I don't think Jets owners have a reason to be any less optimistic than they were after week 1.Thanks MCguidance.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I think that I would say Thomas Jones is a pretty good runner when the defense is not that stout, but only slightly above average when against a good rushing D. He was still able to get 70 yards and a couple of receptions and the goal line work, which is what you look for. I don't think he is going to lose many carries to Washington, who for now, holds value as a good return man and COP back. I think the line will make him a much better player this year. He will be getting the opps at the goal line, and some of those will be converted. However, I would be hard pressed to say the Jets will ever make the mistake of not utilizing Brett Favre down that close again.Cotch is going to be fine. Out of the receivers that you mentioned, I would have him right where you do. There is no way I start him over those three at the moment - unless you strongly believe a defense can be exploited or can shut down one of your studs. Right now, that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Road Warriors]

After waiting 13 long years on the NYJ's season ticket waiting list, I was at my first home game yesterday. The tickets are in the upper deck, hence the bird's eye view. I was also pretty involved in the game so I did miss a few things, but nothing I thought was too critical. God awful heat aside, it was a good time. What follows are a few thoughts and a tad bit of analysis.

Jets Passing Game

-The passing game never really clicked on Sunday. Although there were flashes of what it could be, ie the pass to Coles for a long gain, the nice corner route to Stuckey for the TD, the passing game seems a bit off. There seem to be a few reasons why. My best guess is that Brett is not yet comfortable and the line has not yet jelled completely. More importantly, the Jets were playing the Patriots defense, and at this stage they are better than the Jets offense. Although I can bet Favre has seen every coverage, the Pats move well/disguise and most importantly, stuff the run. When you stuff the run and force 3rd and longs, the passing game will likely fail more than it succeeds. Also, Coles and Favre on not in sync and Coles had a couple drops. Though, if I remember correctly, he was targeted more than Cotch.

Jets Running Game

-The Jets were able to run, as a team, for a 100 yards for a second week in a row. Thomas JOnes looks to have lost weight and hit the hole with some urgency. More likely, however, is that Jets are just better up front. Faneca is a big upgrade - and he really does help Mangold and Brick. In short, they were effective but effective enough. Although I may not agree with running three times in a row at the goal line, they were unable to push the Pats o line around. The hogs up front were unable to generate any push on a couple critical points during the game - most notably, on the left side at the goal line. Faneca, Brick, and Mangold failed when it mattered most.

Jets Defense

-ALthough they lost the game, the Jets defense is MUCH better than they were last year. Kris Jenkins makes a big difference up front, almost commanding two blockers. His ability to draw double teams enables the Jets linebackers to make tackles. Jenkins also contributed with a sack and six tackles. Holding the Pats ground game to just over 100 yards is commendable. But it seemed that when the Pats needed a first down, they were able to get one. The Jets defense is a solid unit, look for them to improve as the season progresses. As a team, holding the Patriots to 260 yards could have enabled the offense to win the game, but did not. A missed field, some let down plays - ie: Faulk's big catch and run to the 8, just outdid a good defensive effort. Note: Revis got beat on that deep ball, that much was obvious. But what you like to see is his hustle and refusal to quit. He was able to get a hand in on a poor pass from Cassel, otherwise it was an easy 6.

Pats Running Game

-A hodgepodge of running backs were just effective enough to keep the Jets D on its heels and the offense balanced. By moving the chains on key downs, Cassel only needed to be a good game manager, and to his credit, he did that well. I did notice that Jordan looked good - fresh and running hard. Take it for what it's worth that Maroney was once again ineffective and relegated to fewer than 10 carries. He looks destined to be a part of a committee until he leaves NE. Just my opinion.

Pats Passing Game

-Cassel managed the game well and made the short throws necessary to move the Pats into field goal range or down the field when they needed him to. He found Welker early and often which I believe built some confidence and moemntum for the offense. Whether Moss was hurt or Cassel has yet to develop a good rapport with Moss, I don't know. I do know that he underthrew Moss on that long pass attempt. As said before, that was an easy 6. I don't remember Cassel being pressured on that play, but I could be wrong. To the Jets credit, they did have several instances of pressure. I believe they had 3 sacks and several pressures/hurries. Cassel did complete 16/23, so he was obviously effective. The one thing I noticed, however (and this was to be expected), was his pocket presence. The Brady's and Manning's of the world are the gold standard - so it's hard to compare. But if you watched closely, there were instances were he looked a bit rattled and was unable to avoid the rush. That aside, I think he did well in his first start since high school.

Pats Defense

Their defense is a top notch unit. They do everything well. They stuff the run, play well in coverage and are able to get pressure on the quarterback. Most of all, however, they play big when they need to. They stuffed goal line stands and got a big sack in the 4th. They forced Favre to make a crucial interception that led to points, and held the Jets rushing and passing units without big plays (aside from that Coles play). If they are able to control the line of scrimmage, which I believe they did, they will continue to keep the Pats in the game and enable enough opportunities for the offense to be successful.

Conclusions/Some analysis: The Jets are not as good as the Patriots. It really is as simple as that. Many people said without Brady the Jets and Bills (and Bills seem stronger than the Jets, as well, but we won't know until they either play or several weeks go by) were now even or ahead of the Pats. I said this before the game and I am even more sure of this now, "Tom Brady is a huge part of the offense, but he did not play defense for an 18-1 team." Quite simply, the Pats are a well-run, well-coached organization. One person does not a team make. However, I think if I had to forecast the rest of the season, it's hard to know whether Cassel will bring them to the elite level. The playbook seemed fairly vanilla, with short passes, some slants, and the occasional deep ball. Will he be successful? I don't know, but he has a favorable situation that's for sure. It's just hard for me to see the Pats winning something significant with Cassel under center this year. Stranger things have happened, for sure. Once he becomes more acclimated to the playbook, the defense should be solid, enabling him to become more comfortable.

As everyone already knows, Brett Favre adds another dimension to the Jets offense. He is able to evade the rush, make quick decisions, and really throw the ball down field. I thought the contact on that deep ball to Cotch was incidental, but I am not surprised it was called. I think the Jets will get better. I don't think they will win 12 games, but I think they have an outside shot at 10. The offensive line is noticeably better as their running game, with the addition of Tony Richardson. The more time Favre has to learn the playbook and click with his WRs, the quicker the Jets will improve. I hope to do this every home game, and hope it provides even a bit of insight to this forum.

MC

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I have no problem with critiques, suggestions, etc. so fire away.

Nice writeup. Thanks for the effort.I see this more from a Pats homer POV, but I was reasonably impressed with the Pats coverage of a pretty good WR unit of the Jets. Hobbs looked much quicker to react to the ball in the air, and O'Neal still looks to have his ball hawking game that I recall seeing in Denver. The weakness I see in that unit is the nickel back coverage, as Stuckey seemed to be open frequently.

The Jets look to be a much improved team from last year, on both sides of the ball. Favre brings a deep ball dimension to the offense that will spread the D and force the safeties further from the LOS. The will have room to run the ball. I'd like to see the Jets find a way to incorporate more Leon into their offense. I see him presenting Westbrook type matchup problems for opposing D's.

 

[FantasyTrader]

As a Thomas Jones owner, I agree with the Leon sentiment. I actually think Jones could benefit if the Jets were using Washington as their Darren Sproles/Felix Jones.

 

[MCguidance]

After waiting 13 long years on the NYJ's season ticket waiting list, I was at my first home game yesterday. The tickets are in the upper deck, hence the bird's eye view. I was also pretty involved in the game so I did miss a few things, but nothing I thought was too critical. God awful heat aside, it was a good time. What follows are a few thoughts and a tad bit of analysis.

Jets Passing Game

-The passing game never really clicked on Sunday. Although there were flashes of what it could be, ie the pass to Coles for a long gain, the nice corner route to Stuckey for the TD, the passing game seems a bit off. There seem to be a few reasons why. My best guess is that Brett is not yet comfortable and the line has not yet jelled completely. More importantly, the Jets were playing the Patriots defense, and at this stage they are better than the Jets offense. Although I can bet Favre has seen every coverage, the Pats move well/disguise and most importantly, stuff the run. When you stuff the run and force 3rd and longs, the passing game will likely fail more than it succeeds. Also, Coles and Favre on not in sync and Coles had a couple drops. Though, if I remember correctly, he was targeted more than Cotch.

Jets Running Game

-The Jets were able to run, as a team, for a 100 yards for a second week in a row. Thomas JOnes looks to have lost weight and hit the hole with some urgency. More likely, however, is that Jets are just better up front. Faneca is a big upgrade - and he really does help Mangold and Brick. In short, they were effective but effective enough. Although I may not agree with running three times in a row at the goal line, they were unable to push the Pats o line around. The hogs up front were unable to generate any push on a couple critical points during the game - most notably, on the left side at the goal line. Faneca, Brick, and Mangold failed when it mattered most.

Jets Defense

-ALthough they lost the game, the Jets defense is MUCH better than they were last year. Kris Jenkins makes a big difference up front, almost commanding two blockers. His ability to draw double teams enables the Jets linebackers to make tackles. Jenkins also contributed with a sack and six tackles. Holding the Pats ground game to just over 100 yards is commendable. But it seemed that when the Pats needed a first down, they were able to get one. The Jets defense is a solid unit, look for them to improve as the season progresses. As a team, holding the Patriots to 260 yards could have enabled the offense to win the game, but did not. A missed field, some let down plays - ie: Faulk's big catch and run to the 8, just outdid a good defensive effort. Note: Revis got beat on that deep ball, that much was obvious. But what you like to see is his hustle and refusal to quit. He was able to get a hand in on a poor pass from Cassel, otherwise it was an easy 6.

Pats Running Game

-A hodgepodge of running backs were just effective enough to keep the Jets D on its heels and the offense balanced. By moving the chains on key downs, Cassel only needed to be a good game manager, and to his credit, he did that well. I did notice that Jordan looked good - fresh and running hard. Take it for what it's worth that Maroney was once again ineffective and relegated to fewer than 10 carries. He looks destined to be a part of a committee until he leaves NE. Just my opinion.

Pats Passing Game

-Cassel managed the game well and made the short throws necessary to move the Pats into field goal range or down the field when they needed him to. He found Welker early and often which I believe built some confidence and moemntum for the offense. Whether Moss was hurt or Cassel has yet to develop a good rapport with Moss, I don't know. I do know that he underthrew Moss on that long pass attempt. As said before, that was an easy 6. I don't remember Cassel being pressured on that play, but I could be wrong. To the Jets credit, they did have several instances of pressure. I believe they had 3 sacks and several pressures/hurries. Cassel did complete 16/23, so he was obviously effective. The one thing I noticed, however (and this was to be expected), was his pocket presence. The Brady's and Manning's of the world are the gold standard - so it's hard to compare. But if you watched closely, there were instances were he looked a bit rattled and was unable to avoid the rush. That aside, I think he did well in his first start since high school.

Pats Defense

Their defense is a top notch unit. They do everything well. They stuff the run, play well in coverage and are able to get pressure on the quarterback. Most of all, however, they play big when they need to. They stuffed goal line stands and got a big sack in the 4th. They forced Favre to make a crucial interception that led to points, and held the Jets rushing and passing units without big plays (aside from that Coles play). If they are able to control the line of scrimmage, which I believe they did, they will continue to keep the Pats in the game and enable enough opportunities for the offense to be successful.

Conclusions/Some analysis: The Jets are not as good as the Patriots. It really is as simple as that. Many people said without Brady the Jets and Bills (and Bills seem stronger than the Jets, as well, but we won't know until they either play or several weeks go by) were now even or ahead of the Pats. I said this before the game and I am even more sure of this now, "Tom Brady is a huge part of the offense, but he did not play defense for an 18-1 team." Quite simply, the Pats are a well-run, well-coached organization. One person does not a team make. However, I think if I had to forecast the rest of the season, it's hard to know whether Cassel will bring them to the elite level. The playbook seemed fairly vanilla, with short passes, some slants, and the occasional deep ball. Will he be successful? I don't know, but he has a favorable situation that's for sure. It's just hard for me to see the Pats winning something significant with Cassel under center this year. Stranger things have happened, for sure. Once he becomes more acclimated to the playbook, the defense should be solid, enabling him to become more comfortable.

As everyone already knows, Brett Favre adds another dimension to the Jets offense. He is able to evade the rush, make quick decisions, and really throw the ball down field. I thought the contact on that deep ball to Cotch was incidental, but I am not surprised it was called. I think the Jets will get better. I don't think they will win 12 games, but I think they have an outside shot at 10. The offensive line is noticeably better as their running game, with the addition of Tony Richardson. The more time Favre has to learn the playbook and click with his WRs, the quicker the Jets will improve. I hope to do this every home game, and hope it provides even a bit of insight to this forum.

MC

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I have no problem with critiques, suggestions, etc. so fire away.

Nice writeup. Thanks for the effort.I see this more from a Pats homer POV, but I was reasonably impressed with the Pats coverage of a pretty good WR unit of the Jets. Hobbs looked much quicker to react to the ball in the air, and O'Neal still looks to have his ball hawking game that I recall seeing in Denver. The weakness I see in that unit is the nickel back coverage, as Stuckey seemed to be open frequently.

The Jets look to be a much improved team from last year, on both sides of the ball. Favre brings a deep ball dimension to the offense that will spread the D and force the safeties further from the LOS. The will have room to run the ball. I'd like to see the Jets find a way to incorporate more Leon into their offense. I see him presenting Westbrook type matchup problems for opposing D's.

I mentioned that I thought the Pats D was impressive and better than the Jets offense. I also said they moved well and were able to make the plays when they needed. Agreed, I think if they had a weakness is was more in the nickle package, as their base defense was much better. I agree with the Jets, I think it's more a matter of jelling than anything else, but we'll see. As for Leon, most people say the same thing - and to an extent I do believe that. But the Jets brass believe he is being utilized properly as of now. I think if Jones is injured or becomes ineffective, we'll then see Leon. Again, I think the Pats D makes a lot of people look slow/bad, so we need to take that into account. Leon is a Westy type, but needs significantly more touches to have a chance to play that out.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

VERY good writeup.

Steelers fans as a group are mostly happy that Faneca left given the money / age of the player / etc. You said he helped, but then you said he and the other guys failed at the line...is Faneca a net positive?

I think a "dirty little secret" (that's not much of a secret anymore) is that the Pats are better at pass blocking than run blocking, and will not be exceptional based on their personnel / philosophy / etc. Elite teams at a minimum need to be able to stuff the Pats running game as they are pressuring the QB. It looks like the QB pressure from the Jets was adequate, but against a B grade running offense too many yards were allowed. Jordan was ripping 5 and 8 yard chunks = not good.

BB needs to open the book up for Cassel, as the Pats are gonna need to score points later in the season (SD, Denver, Indy, etc.).

 

[Linus Scrimmage]

After waiting 13 long years on the NYJ's season ticket waiting list,

I bet you're looking forward to paying $40,000+ for a personal seat license next year. Which is exactly why the seats were even available.

 

[Da Guru]

The Jets played right into the Pats hands. The last thing the Pats wanted was a shootout in Casells first game. The Jets obliged them by going ultra conservative. The Pats wanted a low scoring field position game..the Jets said OK.

 

[Linus Scrimmage]

The Jets played right into the Pats hands. The last thing the Pats wanted was a shootout in Casells first game. The Jets obliged them by going ultra conservative. The Pats wanted a low scoring field position game..the Jets said OK.

Favre has only been playing in the JETS system a few more weeks than Cassell in the Patriots.

 

[MCguidance]

VERY good writeup.

Steelers fans as a group are mostly happy that Faneca left given the money / age of the player / etc. You said he helped, but then you said he and the other guys failed at the line...is Faneca a net positive?

I think a "dirty little secret" (that's not much of a secret anymore) is that the Pats are better at pass blocking than run blocking, and will not be exceptional based on their personnel / philosophy / etc. Elite teams at a minimum need to be able to stuff the Pats running game as they are pressuring the QB. It looks like the QB pressure from the Jets was adequate, but against a B grade running offense too many yards were allowed. Jordan was ripping 5 and 8 yard chunks = not good.

BB needs to open the book up for Cassel, as the Pats are gonna need to score points later in the season (SD, Denver, Indy, etc.).

He is definitely a net positive. I may have been waffled like Brett a bit there but overall he is going to really help this line. I think the call to run the ball for a third straight time was a poor one to begin with. If the Pats are better at pass blocking as you say (and I believe you're correct) then I am a bit impressed by the Jets passing rushing D, too. Pace adds a very good rusher off the end - well worth the price they paid for him. Couple that with B Thomas and Ellis, and there is reason for optimism.

 

[MCguidance]

The Jets played right into the Pats hands. The last thing the Pats wanted was a shootout in Casells first game. The Jets obliged them by going ultra conservative. The Pats wanted a low scoring field position game..the Jets said OK.

Favre has only been playing in the JETS system a few more weeks than Cassell in the Patriots.

Its true on the face of that statement, but not in it's reality. Cassel has been there a while behind Brady, much like Rodgers was behind Favre. I think Cassel has a better grasp of the system than Favre at this point. But the difference may not be that overwhelming either way IMO.

 

[greenline]

I'm not sure I should even say this but I'm going to. I think you did a lot of work and wrote a nice piece but you didn't really give me any insight outside of what I heard/saw on TV. Give me something I could only know if I was at the game. What was the mood of the crowd? Were there any anti-Brady chants? Camera hats? Any schemes/formations more/less effective?

 

[FantasyTrader]

The Jets played right into the Pats hands. The last thing the Pats wanted was a shootout in Casells first game. The Jets obliged them by going ultra conservative. The Pats wanted a low scoring field position game..the Jets said OK.

My guess is that the Pats D had something to do with this. I don't think the Jets said "Okay. We won't give our full effort to stretch the field and score as much as we can because we're content to play a one-score game with you".

 

[MCguidance]

After waiting 13 long years on the NYJ's season ticket waiting list,

I bet you're looking forward to paying $40,000+ for a personal seat license next year. Which is exactly why the seats were even available.

Not true. Every seat in the upper deck (from what I understand) will be WITHOUT a PSL, unlike the Giants. But the Jets will have slightly higher ticket prices,The average amount of movement on the Jets season ticket waiting list varied between 1200-1800 per year. Divide 20,000 (which was the approx size of the waiting list when I joined 13 years ago) by those numbers, and you get 13 years.

 

[MCguidance]

I'm not sure I should even say this but I'm going to. I think you did a lot of work and wrote a nice piece but you didn't really give me any insight outside of what I heard/saw on TV. Give me something I could only know if I was at the game. What was the mood of the crowd? Were there any anti-Brady chants? Camera hats? Any schemes/formations more/less effective?

Fair enough. The crowd was very, very excited. Fireman Ed has recovered nicely from his torn ACL, and led the Jets in some great J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS chants. There were a couple drunks who were yelling obscenities about Brady, but no real anti-Brady sentiment in the stadium. There was a casket in some guys pickup truck with Brady's name on it, which was a bit strange. As for formations, I did not see them alter the game plan more than I thought they would with any other QB - with one exception. I think the Jets did bring pressure more often than they would have against Brady. I think that was to be expected - get pressure, see how the kid reacts when he gets hit in the face. For his part, Cassel did alright, and the Jets were able to get to him a few times off the edge. Again, Jenkins is a beast, he really lets the 3-4 work well, much more so than last year.

 

[TD Ryan]

nice writeup.

first-hand accounts from unbiased fans are not only rare, but one of the more valuable things you find on message boards.

thanks.

 

[MCguidance]

nice writeup.first-hand accounts from unbiased fans are not only rare, but one of the more valuable things you find on message boards.thanks.

Thanks, TD. I will try to look for certain things next game and make this better.

 

[Da Guru]

The Jets played right into the Pats hands. The last thing the Pats wanted was a shootout in Casells first game. The Jets obliged them by going ultra conservative. The Pats wanted a low scoring field position game..the Jets said OK.

Favre has only been playing in the JETS system a few more weeks than Cassell in the Patriots.

That may be true but Farve has been around the block a few times. I watched most of the game and the Pats were very content to play that style. I felt if that the Jets had forced the Pats to play a more up-tempo game it would have favored the Jets.It seems in the NFL you get caught up in matching what the other teams is doing. The Broncos forced the chargers to get out of their normal style, the Jets just seemed happy to keep the game somewhat close instead of attacking the Pats and forcing a guy making his first NFL start to make plays.

 

[tomarken]

After waiting 13 long years on the NYJ's season ticket waiting list,

I bet you're looking forward to paying $40,000+ for a personal seat license next year. Which is exactly why the seats were even available.

Not true. Every seat in the upper deck (from what I understand) will be WITHOUT a PSL, unlike the Giants. But the Jets will have slightly higher ticket prices,The average amount of movement on the Jets season ticket waiting list varied between 1200-1800 per year. Divide 20,000 (which was the approx size of the waiting list when I joined 13 years ago) by those numbers, and you get 13 years.

This is correct. None of the PSL's are even close to $40,000, BTW, I think the most expensive ones are $20-25K There are a small number of Jets seats (in the Exclusive Club or whatever it's called) that will have their PSL's go up for auction, so those will probably get bid up to $40K+ by corporations.I have Giants season tickets in the upper deck and am a little miffed that I'm getting hit with a PSL but the Jets fan with my exact same seat isn't.

 

[Reaper]

Good stuff....

I think a lot of people here do what they often do - They didn't watch the game and take their cues from what other say or the highlights and score and post stuff like "Jets still suck" "What a waste for Favre"..... Or they half heartedly watch the game and draw conclusions threw a beer soaked haze.

This game was a lot closer than people give credit and the Jets ARE a work in progress... The Jets offense should still be in preseason instead of going up against one of the best defenses and coaches in the league - I'll give them a higher grade than most - I rewatched the game - The Jets moved the ball, they jabbed the Pats the 1st half all over the place but, never got the knockout punch - Casell was even getting picked up off the mat....

People knock the play calling but, when you watch again, Deep passes were called!!!! Favre checked down a few times and admits after seeing the pics, that plays were open - Live and learn - I think the TE was open a few times... A few bad penalties and Coles needs to get his work in - never remember Coles dropping balls like that- correctable no doubt.

He came within inches of hitting Cotch in the endzone and the PI call on Cotch was absurd to the point that Simms said "oh well, it looks much different in real time".... If you call PI on one of those plays I'd hope you'd get it on the other but, so it goes.....

Cassel was hit a good deal and got his yards on the dump off plays - Jets must defend that stuff much better but, overall did a good job - they batted a ball that more often than not gets picked but, of course landed in a Pats arms.... And one Cassel pass was inches from Revis....

It's not excuses - As a Jets fan I know they look better - From interviews after watching tapes, the Jets know how close they were and know they did a lot of good things.... It's not always as black and white as your average football fan wants to believe.

Jets were in position with the ball to go ahead in this game at the end - They pull that off and all the posters who are Mad Generalizers are foolishly calling the death of the Pats.

Jets played a Sloppy game - Pats played a near perfect game....

Pats Kicking game and ST is what really KILLED the Jets.... Unbelievable.

I think the Jets mistakes are VERY correctable and a product of 1/3 new starters and still learning... I didn't expect the Jets to compete with the best teams in the NFL in week 2, I hoped they would in week 16 and the playoffs and IF healthy be a much better team.

As for the Pats, I think they have some trouble when they don't play as perfect as they did today against better teams than the Jets - But, BOTH teams have favorable schedules and even the Pats have room to grow on offense.

All that said, I think the Jets give the Chargers a run for their money... And I'll do it, I call a Jets W...

Jets 27 Chargers 17

Jets play the Chargers well when SD was a better team and the Jets were worse..

A few Charger fans around here have dumped on the Jets since Sunday - That's what's really fuelling my prediction.... Calling the Jets inept - That's just foolish IMO.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Good stuff....

I think a lot of people here do what they often do - They didn't watch the game and take their cues from what other say or the highlights and score and post stuff like "Jets still suck" "What a waste for Favre"..... Or they half heartedly watch the game and draw conclusions threw a beer soaked haze.

This game was a lot closer than people give credit and the Jets ARE a work in progress... The Jets offense should still be in preseason instead of going up against one of the best defenses and coaches in the league - I'll give them a higher grade than most - I rewatched the game - The Jets moved the ball, they jabbed the Pats the 1st half all over the place but, never got the knockout punch - Casell was even getting picked up off the mat....

People knock the play calling but, when you watch again, Deep passes were called!!!! Favre checked down a few times and admits after seeing the pics, that plays were open - Live and learn - I think the TE was open a few times... A few bad penalties and Coles needs to get his work in - never remember Coles dropping balls like that- correctable no doubt.

He came within inches of hitting Cotch in the endzone and the PI call on Cotch was absurd to the point that Simms said "oh well, it looks much different in real time".... If you call PI on one of those plays I'd hope you'd get it on the other but, so it goes.....

Cassel was hit a good deal and got his yards on the dump off plays - Jets must defend that stuff much better but, overall did a good job - they batted a ball that more often than not gets picked but, of course landed in a Pats arms.... And one Cassel pass was inches from Revis....

It's not excuses - As a Jets fan I know they look better - From interviews after watching tapes, the Jets know how close they were and know they did a lot of good things.... It's not always as black and white as your average football fan wants to believe.

Jets were in position with the ball to go ahead in this game at the end - They pull that off and all the posters who are Mad Generalizers are foolishly calling the death of the Pats.

Jets played a Sloppy game - Pats played a near perfect game....

Pats Kicking game and ST is what really KILLED the Jets.... Unbelievable.

I think the Jets mistakes are VERY correctable and a product of 1/3 new starters and still learning... I didn't expect the Jets to compete with the best teams in the NFL in week 2, I hoped they would in week 16 and the playoffs and IF healthy be a much better team.

As for the Pats, I think they have some trouble when they don't play as perfect as they did today against better teams than the Jets - But, BOTH teams have favorable schedules and even the Pats have room to grow on offense.

All that said, I think the Jets give the Chargers a run for their money... And I'll do it, I call a Jets W...

Jets 27 Chargers 17

Jets play the Chargers well when SD was a better team and the Jets were worse..

A few Charger fans around here have dumped on the Jets since Sunday - That's what's really fuelling my prediction.... Calling the Jets inept - That's just foolish IMO.

More great stuff here - good insight.

 

[TD Ryan]

they batted a ball that more often than not gets picked but, of course landed in a Pats arms.... And one Cassel pass was inches from Revis....

while I'll agree that play was of the "lucky bounce" variety, Kevin Faulk made fantastic play to catch that tipped ball, it didn't just "land in the Pats arms".your comments about the kicking game and SPTeams were very accurate.

To me, there were 3 MVPs for NE:

- Gostowski booming every kickoff and forcing NYJ to go 80yards every time

- K Faulk making timely big plays, many on 3rd down

- L Jordan running like a wrecking ball to churn the clock in the second half.

statistically, the Pats and NYJs were nearly identical.

The difference was field position and one costly turnover by Favre that left NE well into NYJ's side of the 50.

 

[MCguidance]

they batted a ball that more often than not gets picked but, of course landed in a Pats arms.... And one Cassel pass was inches from Revis....

while I'll agree that play was of the "lucky bounce" variety, Kevin Faulk made fantastic play to catch that tipped ball, it didn't just "land in the Pats arms".your comments about the kicking game and SPTeams were very accurate.

To me, there were 3 MVPs for NE:

- Gostowski booming every kickoff and forcing NYJ to go 80yards every time

- K Faulk making timely big plays, many on 3rd down

- L Jordan running like a wrecking ball to churn the clock in the second half.

statistically, the Pats and NYJs were nearly identical.

The difference was field position and one costly turnover by Favre that left NE well into NYJ's side of the 50.

Great point. For some reason I forgot to mention the advantage the Patriots had all day with field position. One of the things I remember Bill Parcells advocating is "winning the battle for hidden yardage." This includes field position, punting, kick offs, and other special teams plays. Gostkowski was very effective at pinning the Jets back and limiting their opportunities to return KOs. Ben Graham, the Jets kicker, did not play particularly well - which either exacerbated poor coverage or became the cause of it. There were a few punts that, IIRC, were pretty poor, enabling the Pats to start with good field position. In a game where offenses grind it out and D's play at full tilt, it was the hidden yardage that played an important role

 

[TD Ryan]

Great point. For some reason I forgot to mention the advantage the Patriots had all day with field position. One of the things I remember Bill Parcells advocating is "winning the battle for hidden yardage." This includes field position, punting, kick offs, and other special teams plays. Gostkowski was very effective at pinning the Jets back and limiting their opportunities to return KOs. Ben Graham, the Jets kicker, did not play particularly well - which either exacerbated poor coverage or became the cause of it. There were a few punts that, IIRC, were pretty poor, enabling the Pats to start with good field position. In a game where offenses grind it out and D's play at full tilt, it was the hidden yardage that played an important role

I have no doubt that BB took a lot from Parcells.And Field Position is always overlooked. There's nothing glamorous about it. But it was the whole game yesterday.And, do you remember the 4th down "quick substitution" NE made? NE looked like they were going for it on 4th, but then ran the punt team out there at the last second. The NYJs were in a state of confusion but NE failed to execute and the punt went into the endzone despite the NYJ not having the personnel grouping to return the kick.That whole play embodied the chess match that went on between the coaching staffs and it showed just how important field position was in that game.

 

[greenline]

I'm not sure I should even say this but I'm going to. I think you did a lot of work and wrote a nice piece but you didn't really give me any insight outside of what I heard/saw on TV. Give me something I could only know if I was at the game. What was the mood of the crowd? Were there any anti-Brady chants? Camera hats? Any schemes/formations more/less effective?

Fair enough. The crowd was very, very excited. Fireman Ed has recovered nicely from his torn ACL, and led the Jets in some great J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS chants. There were a couple drunks who were yelling obscenities about Brady, but no real anti-Brady sentiment in the stadium. There was a casket in some guys pickup truck with Brady's name on it, which was a bit strange. As for formations, I did not see them alter the game plan more than I thought they would with any other QB - with one exception. I think the Jets did bring pressure more often than they would have against Brady. I think that was to be expected - get pressure, see how the kid reacts when he gets hit in the face. For his part, Cassel did alright, and the Jets were able to get to him a few times off the edge. Again, Jenkins is a beast, he really lets the 3-4 work well, much more so than last year.

Right on! Thanks.

 

[Reaper]

they batted a ball that more often than not gets picked but, of course landed in a Pats arms.... And one Cassel pass was inches from Revis....

while I'll agree that play was of the "lucky bounce" variety, Kevin Faulk made fantastic play to catch that tipped ball, it didn't just "land in the Pats arms".your comments about the kicking game and SPTeams were very accurate.

To me, there were 3 MVPs for NE:

- Gostowski booming every kickoff and forcing NYJ to go 80yards every time

- K Faulk making timely big plays, many on 3rd down

- L Jordan running like a wrecking ball to churn the clock in the second half.

statistically, the Pats and NYJs were nearly identical.

The difference was field position and one costly turnover by Favre that left NE well into NYJ's side of the 50.

More often than not though a tip like that goes the other way.... UggghhhAnd True... Even with ALL the penalties, even with the Favre INT, even with the field position and even with the kicking woes.. The Jets had the ball in the 4th with the opportunity to go ahead...

That pass protection with Leon Washington trying to block A Thomas is probably making Jet coaches bang their heads against the wall....

Live and learn - No doubt the Pats are 100x more prepared and smarter at this point in the season, Brady or not - People want to write off the fact that if this team isn't beaten by the underdog Giants, they are considered possibly the BEST TEAM EVER.... And there's a lot more than Brady that goes into that.

The hope for a Jets fan is that the Jets got a good lesson this week... Even on the goal line stand, I think the OL got a lesson and a wake up call Vs probably the best Goal line stand defense in the NFL....

People cry that Favre should have thrown it - well, the Jets also spent a lot on the OL and wanted to show it... I think they grow from that and if this season turns out well, you look back after they slam it down some weaker team's goal line defense, and say, Damn they learned from that Pats game way back in week 2.