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barista

barista

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Okay. I'll preface this by saying that I'm a waiver junky. I also tend to load teams with name talent. I at one point was sitting on Leonard, Selvin, Bowe, etc. etc.

I've noticed more owners behaving this way... more eagle-eyed type owners at least and wondered how to work this waiver thing against them as well as in my favor.

Drop Steven Jackson theory (or the drop ____ Rudi Johnson , Andre Johnson, Vinateri, etc). Basically selling short on players to try and fill other teams rosters with "quality" players that are semi-injured, injured or underperforming.

This also obviously can be looked at as the "do I have room to keep him for the long haul" angle. I picked up Andre Johnson and am sitting on him with that in mind. But if someone dropped Selvin Young, Steven Jackson (a week or two ago), Javon Walker, etc. you get the idea. Who do you cut for Lee Evans? Does an owner with Toomer, Bowe, Hilliard, Curry and ____. Drop one of those players for Lee Evans? Upside vs. Depth? or if there are 3 Lee Evans style players do you load your WRs to be a stacked team at the expense of potentially losing a few games.

I've always thought the trade was the way around this. Package name players into deals to get value out of them. But dropping a Bulger or Evans seems to be the only option in this type of year. What I look for specifically is the density of name (projected at the beginning of the year) players at any one position. If someone drops Bulger and Harrington and Pennington and Griese are out there, it may not be worth the drop. Conversely the risk of dropping is lower... there will be another starting QB to cover if someone else gets him and you're stuck.

I'm rambling but my observation is that it might make sense to drop a player and make some noise in doing so as to attempt to have him rostered on another team and weaken them in the process. The more I think of this the more ridiculous an idea it seems. Then again I have convinced myself that I can win at roulette as well.

 
I think that you are overthinking. Instead of dropping Andre Johnson to get Player X, just do a little more research and pick up Player Y.

 
Was with you up until you said "Obviously"...

:goodposting:

edit: fixed my post because it was more confusing than the OP

 
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Do I need to order a Decoder Ring from Ovaltine to decipher your message? I am intrigued by your topic title, but just have no idea what you are saying.

 
bigfeet_88 said:
Do I need to order a Decoder Ring from Ovaltine to decipher your message? I am intrigued by your topic title, but just have no idea what you are saying.
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I too am intrigued by your topic and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.If the intent is to weaken competitors rosters by hoping your cast offs are picked up....then try this variation on the theme. If you've decided you're going to drop Lee Evans...simply email the league and tell them that is your intent. Inform them that if they are interested in your cast off, you'll accept the best offer. Otherwise, he's dumped and they can take their chances in the waiver pool.You are rid of the player regardless...and who knows...maybe someone will offer up something much more valuable than you would have found as a waiver replacement.
 
Let me see if I have this right:

You are going to drop Steven Jackson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Adam Vinatieri to try to make other teams in your league worse? Is that right?

If I'm understanding this right, you need to go do this right now....then keep us updated on the status of your league.

 
barista said:
Okay. I'll preface this by saying that I'm a waiver junky. I also tend to load teams with name talent. I at one point was sitting on Leonard, Selvin, Bowe, etc. etc.

This also obviously can be looked at as the "do I have room to keep him for the long haul" angle. I picked up Andre Johnson and am sitting on him with that in mind. But if someone dropped Selvin Young, Steven Jackson (a week or two ago), Javon Walker, etc. you get the idea. Who do you cut for Lee Evans? Does an owner with Toomer, Bowe, Hilliard, Curry and ____. Drop one of those players for Lee Evans? Upside vs. Depth? or if there are 3 Lee Evans style players do you load your WRs to be a stacked team at the expense of potentially losing a few games.
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Waiver & Trade Junkie myself.Picked up Lee Evans 2 weeks ago on a flier he would rebound since he seems to have a better 2nd half...

Dropped Evans last week, when I heard Holmes may get some touches behind LJ...

Of course Evans shows a pulse and looks like he may turn it around w/an extremely favorable schedule during FF playoffs...

I'm in 1st in 10-Team league, so last on waivers list. Evans I want back, and bang, I get him back Wed. morning!

Also got Henry(CIN) on waivers last week, before other owners remembered him coming off suspension.

Someone just Dropped Driver...have to wait 24 hours to get him for Crayton(Or should I? Hmmm).

Best of LUCK.

 
gethugefast1 said:
barista said:
Okay. I'll preface this by saying that I'm a waiver junky. I also tend to load teams with name talent. I at one point was sitting on Leonard, Selvin, Bowe, etc. etc.

This also obviously can be looked at as the "do I have room to keep him for the long haul" angle. I picked up Andre Johnson and am sitting on him with that in mind. But if someone dropped Selvin Young, Steven Jackson (a week or two ago), Javon Walker, etc. you get the idea. Who do you cut for Lee Evans? Does an owner with Toomer, Bowe, Hilliard, Curry and ____. Drop one of those players for Lee Evans? Upside vs. Depth? or if there are 3 Lee Evans style players do you load your WRs to be a stacked team at the expense of potentially losing a few games.
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Waiver & Trade Junkie myself.Picked up Lee Evans 2 weeks ago on a flier he would rebound since he seems to have a better 2nd half...

Dropped Evans last week, when I heard Holmes may get some touches behind LJ...

Of course Evans shows a pulse and looks like he may turn it around w/an extremely favorable schedule during FF playoffs...

I'm in 1st in 10-Team league, so last on waivers list. Evans I want back, and bang, I get him back Wed. morning!

Also got Henry(CIN) on waivers last week, before other owners remembered him coming off suspension.

Someone just Dropped Driver...have to wait 24 hours to get him for Crayton(Or should I? Hmmm).

Best of LUCK.
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dropped Driver.. interesting
 
Ronnie Brown was just dropped in my keeper league. I wish I had the cap room to stash him to trade in the offseason. Hmm, I could drop Maroney & D. Williams & maybe grab him. Oh wait, then I start only 1 RB due to byes this week. Great!

 
I think the OP is advising dropping high profile talent (Lee Evans, for example) prior to waivers clearing, in the hopes that team X will burn their waiver pick on him and not snag the guy that OP wants (with the assumption that waivers clear at a set time each week, and the OP typically has the last spot on the WW).

The alternative is dropping Lee Evans as part of the waiver transaction, but by doing so, the opposition will not have the opportunity to take Evans and therefore are more likely to snag player X.

It's a slight nuance, but I could see this move having value.

 
PumpusX said:
Put down the wine.
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I think somebody in one of my $30 rtsports leagues just read this thread and dropped Larry Johnson. (the owner was 5-2 and leading his division too)A more logical guess is that he also just lost Ronnie Brown, so he probably set his waiver requests while drunk out of his mind.
 
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For a small moment I though this thread may have had the momentum to go along the lines of the great :lmao: thread. Once in a while some lighthearted ribbing can be very funny.

 
I think the probelm w/ this theory (if I'm understanding it correctly) is the delay between the drop of the underperforming "stud" and the resoluiton (order) of the next cycle.

Maybe you get someone to drop Curry for Evans (iirc), but how are you guaranteed that he'll drop to you on the next WW resolution? Maybe you drop Evans (a.k.a. the bait) - and another team has higher priority and gets Curry before you can. Then you're SOL.

I agree w/ the post about the league broadcast msg of "best offer for _______" gets him this week. Create that (salesguy) 'sense of urgency' and see what happens.

 
moleculo said:
I think the OP is advising dropping high profile talent (Lee Evans, for example) prior to waivers clearing, in the hopes that team X will burn their waiver pick on him and not snag the guy that OP wants (with the assumption that waivers clear at a set time each week, and the OP typically has the last spot on the WW).The alternative is dropping Lee Evans as part of the waiver transaction, but by doing so, the opposition will not have the opportunity to take Evans and therefore are more likely to snag player X.It's a slight nuance, but I could see this move having value.
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I took it as he would drop a bigger named player in the hopes that somebody else would pick that player up but drop a lower profile player that he thinks would outperform the player he originally dropped.
 
barista said:
Okay. I'll preface this by saying that I'm a waiver junky. I also tend to load teams with name talent. I at one point was sitting on Leonard, Selvin, Bowe, etc. etc. I've noticed more owners behaving this way... more eagle-eyed type owners at least and wondered how to work this waiver thing against them as well as in my favor.Drop Steven Jackson theory (or the drop ____ Rudi Johnson , Andre Johnson, Vinateri, etc). Basically selling short on players to try and fill other teams rosters with "quality" players that are semi-injured, injured or underperforming.This also obviously can be looked at as the "do I have room to keep him for the long haul" angle. I picked up Andre Johnson and am sitting on him with that in mind. But if someone dropped Selvin Young, Steven Jackson (a week or two ago), Javon Walker, etc. you get the idea. Who do you cut for Lee Evans? Does an owner with Toomer, Bowe, Hilliard, Curry and ____. Drop one of those players for Lee Evans? Upside vs. Depth? or if there are 3 Lee Evans style players do you load your WRs to be a stacked team at the expense of potentially losing a few games. I've always thought the trade was the way around this. Package name players into deals to get value out of them. But dropping a Bulger or Evans seems to be the only option in this type of year. What I look for specifically is the density of name (projected at the beginning of the year) players at any one position. If someone drops Bulger and Harrington and Pennington and Griese are out there, it may not be worth the drop. Conversely the risk of dropping is lower... there will be another starting QB to cover if someone else gets him and you're stuck.I'm rambling but my observation is that it might make sense to drop a player and make some noise in doing so as to attempt to have him rostered on another team and weaken them in the process. The more I think of this the more ridiculous an idea it seems. Then again I have convinced myself that I can win at roulette as well.
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barista said:
Okay. I'll preface this by saying that I'm a waiver junky. I also tend to load teams with name talent. I at one point was sitting on Leonard, Selvin, Bowe, etc. etc. I've noticed more owners behaving this way... more eagle-eyed type owners at least and wondered how to work this waiver thing against them as well as in my favor.Drop Steven Jackson theory (or the drop ____ Rudi Johnson , Andre Johnson, Vinateri, etc). Basically selling short on players to try and fill other teams rosters with "quality" players that are semi-injured, injured or underperforming.This also obviously can be looked at as the "do I have room to keep him for the long haul" angle. I picked up Andre Johnson and am sitting on him with that in mind. But if someone dropped Selvin Young, Steven Jackson (a week or two ago), Javon Walker, etc. you get the idea. Who do you cut for Lee Evans? Does an owner with Toomer, Bowe, Hilliard, Curry and ____. Drop one of those players for Lee Evans? Upside vs. Depth? or if there are 3 Lee Evans style players do you load your WRs to be a stacked team at the expense of potentially losing a few games. I've always thought the trade was the way around this. Package name players into deals to get value out of them. But dropping a Bulger or Evans seems to be the only option in this type of year. What I look for specifically is the density of name (projected at the beginning of the year) players at any one position. If someone drops Bulger and Harrington and Pennington and Griese are out there, it may not be worth the drop. Conversely the risk of dropping is lower... there will be another starting QB to cover if someone else gets him and you're stuck.I'm rambling but my observation is that it might make sense to drop a player and make some noise in doing so as to attempt to have him rostered on another team and weaken them in the process. The more I think of this the more ridiculous an idea it seems. Then again I have convinced myself that I can win at roulette as well.
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Ah the old drop Steven Jackson theory. I had nearly forgotten that one.Love the Time Bandits avatar though!
 
Makes sense, but its a gamble.

Say you really wanted Chatman this week, you figure someone will grab him before you. So you drop a banged up or underperforming stud in the hope they grab him instead. Evans or McNabb perhaps.

I could see it working but if you don't get the guy you want and lose the stud too, well thats not very clever.

 
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