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[BigSteelThrill]

No, he always has that disease. Certain symptoms are caused by outside stimuli.If that stimuli is around... your son has no choice.Not the same with addictions. They still have a choice every single time.Your son is not addicted to breathing. (funny as that may sound)

The underlying assumption to an addiction is that there is no choice involved.

Thats a terrible assumption. Of course they have a choice. They usually make a hundred of them on their way to getting that alchohol.As I stated in my very first post... what they/we dont have is the will power. Thats it. Thats all of it.

 

[Stunt Rock]

No, he always has that disease. Certain symptoms are caused by outside stimuli.

If that stimuli is around... your son has no choice.

Not the same with addictions. They still have a choice every single time.

Your son is not addicted to breathing. (funny as that may sound)

The underlying assumption to an addiction is that there is no choice involved. Technically they have a choice but due to the circumstances they are not in a position to exercise free will.If a man holds a gun to your head and gives you the "choice" between giving him your wallet and dying, you technically have a choice but do you really?

That's not quite the way it works. No one is putting a gun to their head and forcing them to start drinking. However, if we assume that what you're saying is true, then everything we think do and say is pre-determined by genetics and free will is nothing but an illusion. Thus, if people have no free will due to their genetics, then how can we hold them accountible for their actions? The answer: we can't, at least not morally. Keep following that logic far enough, and you wind up in the realm of the absurd."Sorry officer, I have the rapist gene. I'm a rapeaholic. Can't help it. I see women, I just have to rape the hell out of them."

"Your honor, I was born with a gene that pre-disposes me to murder. So you see, it's like I had a gun to my head. Yes I could choose not to murder. But I don't REALLY have a choice."

So you can see now why I don't think the argument you're making is a very good one on behalf of the disease theory.

DISCLAIMER: I am not comparing alcoholics to rapists and murderers, merely trying to show why I don't believe that having a genetic disposition to do something means we don't have free will.

I encourage you to scroll up and read Chaos Commish's last post, and the article he linked:

http://www.peele.net/lib/atlcgene.html