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Offensive rookie of year... (1 Viewer)

choose one

  • Cam Newton

    Votes: 203 63.4%

  • Aj Green

    Votes: 46 14.4%

  • Andy Dalton

    Votes: 55 17.2%

  • Demarco Murray

    Votes: 14 4.4%

  • other

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Total voters
    320
biggamer3

biggamer3

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I guess the new thinking for rookie of year incorporates the same logic as the mvp award.

I disagree, I think it should not be based on wins losses but on individual stats

 
Hard to choose between Newton and Green.

I think I'd give it to Newton.

Edit: Hmmmm. I thought his TD:Int ratio was better than 12/14.

 
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This should be one of those years when most voters consider Green but the votes show a landslide with Cam winning.

 
If the Bungles make it to the post season, it'd be hard not to consider him the OROY.

Personal stats aren't everything, in real football

 
DeMarco Murray has 1000 yards from scrimmage right now and has been averaging 150/game the last 6. If he keeps that up he'll be over 100 yards/game on the season.

I think I'd vote his way.

Dalton has had a really weak schedule and they've handled their sub .500 opponents at 6-0 but 1-4 against .500 or better with their big win so far being Tennessee.

Cam is putting up nice stats and is probably the other legitimate option. But I don't think he's there if Murray finishes with 1500+ yards.

Green doesn't have stats that compare with Murray's imo.

 
'rizzler said:
If the Bungles make it to the post season, it'd be hard not to consider him the OROY.

Personal stats aren't everything, in real football
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Dalton will certainly be considered and he is having an outstanding year, and has a good shot at coming in 2nd this year. Unfortunately, he is up against Newton who is going to break the QB rushing record with 12+, while throwing for over 4000 yards. Barring injury or a collapse, the race is for second.
 
No way does Cam Newton not win it. Even though he was the number 1 pick, no one thought he would do this well this quickly. Perception is everything, and none of the other guys will be able to overcome that.

 
I agree it will be Newton and I think he has earned it. I also think Murray has been pretty much the salvation of the Cowboys so he also merits consideration. Dalton and Green are a great tandem. Lot of good talent this year.

 
Remember the thread where half way through the season people were laying big money on Marques Colston because he was blowing it up. And, he didn't come close to winning the ROtY. I would put my money on the guy who is the most flashy... Newton.

I doubt a Bengals player wins although it should be one of them.

 
'DeaLerZ said:
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Newton should be the 4th choice on this list. I'm no hater, but the fact is the other three guys are winning football games.
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Exactly! Just like Payton when the Indy defense was horrific in his first year, that is what plagues can rt now. This kid knows that if the panthers are going to win on any given week it will be in his arm and his legs to make that happen. His surrounding cast minus Steve smith and Olsen aren't very good, the run game is only good bc of him running, and the defense is absolutely putrid. If you give cam cincy's defense he would have more wins this year than dalton. He is a better all around qb and a bigger threat to score with his legs. Cam in a heartbeat over any wr or rb too. Yea because Carolina's DEF blows... and they do nothing to help him out
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It's very hard to choose but i'm leaning towards Cam with Murray and Green a close 2nd and 3rd. Moore is going to be a Pro Bowler as well I think. Dalton had a great rookie season but I want to see if he can avoid the sophmore slump (i.e. Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford).

 
this was a good draft for skill positions. I can't remember the last time a QB had a FF impact like cam...

 
If I was voting I'd say Dalton personally... Dalton (and Green obviously) have turned around a crappy team last year. Making them into a legit playoff contender. Cam hasn't done that or even come close to doing it. Sure he has been explosive and fun to watch but the team as a whole is still awful. Granted OROY is really an individual reward but I think the fact that Dalton was a 2nd Round pick vs Cam being #1 overall needs to be taken into account more than Cam's flashy plays. All in all they are both having almost the same season statistically and Dalton was a much later pick with a winning team. He'd get my vote over Cam, not by much but he would get it.

 
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Newton should be the 4th choice on this list. I'm no hater, but the fact is the other three guys are winning football games.
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:no: the other 3 guys are on teams which are winning football games. through 11 games, the Panthers already have 14 more 1st downs than all of last year. They're averaging 2 more yards per play. they already have 9 more touchdowns than all of last year. They've gone from dead last offensively to 5th yardage and 16th scoring. Cam is the key reason for this.

 
'Khy said:
If I was voting I'd say Dalton personally... Dalton (and Green obviously) have turned around a crappy team last year. Making them into a legit playoff contender. Cam hasn't done that or even come close to doing it. Sure he has been explosive and fun to watch but the team as a whole is still awful. Granted OROY is really an individual reward but I think the fact that Dalton was a 2nd Round pick vs Cam being #1 overall needs to be taken into account more than Cam's flashy plays. All in all they are both having almost the same season statistically and Dalton was a much later pick with a winning team. He'd get my vote over Cam, not by much but he would get it.
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Overall they're bad, but the offense is at least average.
 
'rizzler said:
If the Bungles make it to the post season, it'd be hard not to consider him the OROY.

Personal stats aren't everything, in real football
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The fact that I'm not even sure which "him" you're referring to limits the chances of either winning it.
 
'Khy said:
If I was voting I'd say Dalton personally... Dalton (and Green obviously) have turned around a crappy team last year. Making them into a legit playoff contender. Cam hasn't done that or even come close to doing it. Sure he has been explosive and fun to watch but the team as a whole is still awful. Granted OROY is really an individual reward but I think the fact that Dalton was a 2nd Round pick vs Cam being #1 overall needs to be taken into account more than Cam's flashy plays. All in all they are both having almost the same season statistically and Dalton was a much later pick with a winning team. He'd get my vote over Cam, not by much but he would get it.
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:no:
 
'FUBAR said:
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Newton should be the 4th choice on this list. I'm no hater, but the fact is the other three guys are winning football games.
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:no: the other 3 guys are on teams which are winning football games. through 11 games, the Panthers already have 14 more 1st downs than all of last year. They're averaging 2 more yards per play. they already have 9 more touchdowns than all of last year. They've gone from dead last offensively to 5th yardage and 16th scoring. Cam is the key reason for this.
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Contradict muchThe teams are winning football games for the other players(Green/Dalton/Murray) but Cam is the key reason for increase in stats. Give me a break. Panthers have a good OL/Steve Smith/LaFell/Floyd/Olsen/Shockey/Dwill/Jstew/Goodson...not a bad supporting cast.

Who has the best OL between Dallas/Cinci/Carolina? I say Carolina, followed by Cinci and then Dallas.

Who has the best RB between Dallas/Cinci/Carolina? I say Carolina, followed by Dallas and then Cinci.

Who has the best targets between Dallas/Cinci/Car? I say Dallas, followed by Carolina and then Cinci.

The reason Carolina has such an increase in offense is because they have a QB with a pulse, not b/c Cam Newton is AMAZING.

People have Cam Newton from the first 4 weeks stuck in their heads. Yes he had some huge passing yardage games, but he hasn't throw for over 300 yards since week 4.

 
Cam Newton has completely turned around the offense of the Carolina Panthers. They went from being the worst in the league to a top 10 unit without a single upgrade at a skill position other than him. If anything, the offensive line actually got a little worse, so he's produced this while being the ONLY improvement on the offensive side of the ball.

Demarco Murray took over as the running back for the Cowboys when they were in a state of flux, and has been the difference in turning them into a legit playoff team. Romo has been playing much better, but the improved running game can be credited with helping that improvement.

Andy Dalton and AJ Green have been winning games together and are both proving to be solid players who can turn the team around for quite a while.

In the end, it comes down to Newton or Murray for me because I think that they both individually did more with what they were given. AJ Green is on pace for about 1080 yards receiving and 8 touchdowns. Those are good numbers, but not rookie of the year numbers with the competition this season. Dalton is playing really well, but he is more of a solid NFL QB than a game changer...and I think you need to be that to get the vote.

I am a bit biased as a Carolina fan, but I would vote for Newton because he has done the most with the least. He has no control over the defense, which is the reason that the Panthers are losing so many games. He is doing all of the right things, extended drives, keeping the defense off the field, and putting up great numbers. When the defense improves, the team as a whole improves. Cam's done his part to improve what he's able to control...and for that, he's the MVP.

 
'benson_will_lead_the_way said:
'FUBAR said:
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Newton should be the 4th choice on this list. I'm no hater, but the fact is the other three guys are winning football games.
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:no: the other 3 guys are on teams which are winning football games. through 11 games, the Panthers already have 14 more 1st downs than all of last year. They're averaging 2 more yards per play. they already have 9 more touchdowns than all of last year. They've gone from dead last offensively to 5th yardage and 16th scoring. Cam is the key reason for this.
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Contradict muchThe teams are winning football games for the other players(Green/Dalton/Murray) but Cam is the key reason for increase in stats. Give me a break. Panthers have a good OL/Steve Smith/LaFell/Floyd/Olsen/Shockey/Dwill/Jstew/Goodson...not a bad supporting cast.

Who has the best OL between Dallas/Cinci/Carolina? I say Carolina, followed by Cinci and then Dallas.

Who has the best RB between Dallas/Cinci/Carolina? I say Carolina, followed by Dallas and then Cinci.

Who has the best targets between Dallas/Cinci/Car? I say Dallas, followed by Carolina and then Cinci.

The reason Carolina has such an increase in offense is because they have a QB with a pulse, not b/c Cam Newton is AMAZING.

People have Cam Newton from the first 4 weeks stuck in their heads. Yes he had some huge passing yardage games, but he hasn't throw for over 300 yards since week 4.
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Carolina hasn't improved a single piece of their offense other than Cam Newton. Lafell did nothing last season, Floyd doesn't exist (no idea who you are talking about), Olsen is having to be used as a blocker of offensive line injuries (losing Jeff Otah was a KILLER for the O-Line), and Goodson is on IR.That same "not bad" supporting cast was the worst offense in the NFL last year. I was one of the biggest Newton doubters when the Panthers drafted him, but what he has done for the offensive side of the ball in Carolina is nothing short of amazing.

 
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Cam will win this with ease. I don't necessarily have a problem with that given the importance of his position and his production. I do feel however that AJ Green is the best offensive rookie personally and he would get my vote. Green is making Dalton appear much better than he really is IMO and he could be posting ridiculous numbers if Dalton could throw the deep ball more accurately.

 
For those that feel Cam is the easy choice, does the fact that he QB's a team looking at another top 5 pick right now not matter?

 
'jurb26 said:
For those that feel Cam is the easy choice, does the fact that he QB's a team looking at another top 5 pick right now not matter?
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Not at all. This isn't an MVP race.If DEN continued to play like crap and Von Miller was still a beast on a 3 win team, he would be the choice.
 
i think its andy dalton because he has the skills that pay the bills and he has made a team that no one even thought about into a contender cam is great but well his fantasy stats are good the w l columns are pretty lopsided to the ls and that aint good my brothers also look at all the weapons he has thats a pretty spicy meatball from skill players perspective down there in the big car-o-line-e-a so i think andy although cam is a beast of epic proportions who will some day rule the nfl

 
'jurb26 said:
For those that feel Cam is the easy choice, does the fact that he QB's a team looking at another top 5 pick right now not matter?
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Indianapolis went 3-13 in Manning's first season. It turned out that he didn't win OROY, but that's only because he was up against the best rookie WR season of all time (Randy Moss, 69/1313/17). Although in 1986, Jim Kelly had a good QB season for a 4-12 Bills team, and he didn't win either (the award went to Rueben Mayes, who had a good but not great season for a 7-9 Saints team).
 
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