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****Offical 2009 World Series Thread**** (1 Viewer)

I can't believe the umps had to confer in order to determine that was a double play on the Rollins catch off the ground. Glad they at least got it right.

 
Knobs said:
I can't believe the umps had to confer in order to determine that was a double play on the Rollins catch off the ground. Glad they at least got it right.
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I think that he got confused based on Rollins's awkward movement. It looked like he was trying to let it bounce but then suddenly caught it, so I think the ump was just unsure about it.
 
not that it was likely before, but with lee (apparently) pitching a complete game, we can be pretty sure charlie's not thinking of pitching him in games 4 and 7

 
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Genedoc said:
That was a masterful pitching performance. Beautiful thing to watch.
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Hell of a performance.This game was huge for Phillies not only because of history, but losing game 1 with burning Cliff Lee would have sucked big time and having to face sabathia 2 more times.
 
gorf said:
not that it was likely before, but with lee (apparently) pitching a complete game, we can be pretty sure charlie's not thinking of pitching him in games 4 and 7
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Would rather just throw someone from the pen in the 9th and save Lee. The lead was safe.
 
Perfect start for Philly.

You get the win on the road, the complete game and get to NY's bullpen somewhat. Will be interesting to see how the Yankees come back in game 2.

 
The rest of the baseball world is learning what we already know about this team. Unbelievable game by Lee and CC. We just witnessed one of the best pitching performances in WS history.

Welcome back Chase!!!

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Michael Brown said:
Any inside word on Utley's potential injury?
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I think he's OK.
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:thumbup: Echoing others, Lee was just filthy tonight. Sometimes you don't get as much appreciation for great pitchign when you see it live because you can't see the break of the curve, the perfect location, the movement on the pitches. Tonight, we saw. He was ridiculous. Nobody looked comfortable, even Jeter who had 3 hits.Just gotta hope AJ is up to the challenge.
 
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Chi-Mo said:
I don't get only pitching Hamels once in this series. Bizarre.
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:confused: He would go 3 and 7, no?
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Oops, yes. But obviously a smaller probability that he's going to pitch twice. Pedro's a better G7 starter in that he obviously can't go as deep in games as Hamels, and Philly would have almost everyone (including Lee for an inning or two, I'd imagine) to come in and back him up.
 
crewmember said:
gorf said:
not that it was likely before, but with lee (apparently) pitching a complete game, we can be pretty sure charlie's not thinking of pitching him in games 4 and 7
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Would rather just throw someone from the pen in the 9th and save Lee. The lead was safe.
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I disagree. Lee was absolutely dominant so why take the slightest chance with your bullpen blowing the game? Until he showed a glimpse of being mortal or until the Phillies got an even bigger lead, I agree with the decision to take the sure thing.A game one win in New York is huge.Also, I think Lee may be able to pitch in game 4. Perhaps not a complete game but 5-6 innings of the guy would still be fantastic.
 
Ouch. Not much to say other then major props to Lee. When a pitcher is that on you can't fault any lineup for getting manhandled. Huge win for the Phillies.

I can't take anything positive out of the game for the Yankees. To me, everything just got real simple. Win Game 2 or this isn't going to be nearly as long as I thought it would be. And to be honest, I have no faith in AJ Burnett even though he has the stuff to do it. So, win tonight and it is a series. Lose and there is a good chance this doesn't come back to New York.

 
4x champ said:
The rest of the baseball world is learning what we already know about this team. Unbelievable game by Lee and CC. We just witnessed one of the best pitching performances in WS history.Welcome back Chase!!! :thumbup:
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Everybody knows about this team. Don't know where this "we don't get respect" tripe is coming from from the Philly faithful.
 
Knobs said:
crewmember said:
gorf said:
not that it was likely before, but with lee (apparently) pitching a complete game, we can be pretty sure charlie's not thinking of pitching him in games 4 and 7
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Would rather just throw someone from the pen in the 9th and save Lee. The lead was safe.
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I disagree. Lee was absolutely dominant so why take the slightest chance with your bullpen blowing the game? Until he showed a glimpse of being mortal or until the Phillies got an even bigger lead, I agree with the decision to take the sure thing.A game one win in New York is huge.Also, I think Lee may be able to pitch in game 4. Perhaps not a complete game but 5-6 innings of the guy would still be fantastic.
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interesting. you have to wonder whether lee on short rest is going to be a better start than blanton. (and more to the point, you have to wonder if charlie's asking himself the same question after last night.)
 
Yankee23Fan said:
Ouch. Not much to say other then major props to Lee. When a pitcher is that on you can't fault any lineup for getting manhandled. Huge win for the Phillies.I can't take anything positive out of the game for the Yankees. To me, everything just got real simple. Win Game 2 or this isn't going to be nearly as long as I thought it would be. And to be honest, I have no faith in AJ Burnett even though he has the stuff to do it. So, win tonight and it is a series. Lose and there is a good chance this doesn't come back to New York.
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Lee was brilliant. TBH, I was equally impressed with Sabathia. It was obvious that he was having issues with his control for much of the night yet still only let up 2 runs. The Phillies have to do a much better job the next time they face him. If I were the Yankees I would have pitched Pettite in game 2 instead of Burnett. What I think will really hurt the Yankees chances of winning this series is when the teams come to the NL park and the Yanks have to pull Matsui in the lineup and replace him with a pitcher. The bottom of that Yankee lineup is already struggling, adding another automatic out there could spell doom for them.
 
Yankee23Fan said:
Ouch. Not much to say other then major props to Lee. When a pitcher is that on you can't fault any lineup for getting manhandled. Huge win for the Phillies.I can't take anything positive out of the game for the Yankees. To me, everything just got real simple. Win Game 2 or this isn't going to be nearly as long as I thought it would be. And to be honest, I have no faith in AJ Burnett even though he has the stuff to do it. So, win tonight and it is a series. Lose and there is a good chance this doesn't come back to New York.
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I can see some similarities between this series and 1996 even if they do lose tonight (by the way, most Yankee fans I've talked to are now assuming they're gonna lose). In 96 they lost the first two at home but then had the vet Cone going in Game 3 and a matchup of bums (Rogers/Neagle) in Game 4. So the key was knocking around Neagle in Game 4 because everyone knew Conie wasn't going quietly in Game 3. Similar to this, I have the utmost confidence in Andy in Game 3 even in Philly. And the key then becomes 4, though we'd probably go CC on short rest down 2-1. If Philly decides to not bring Lee back on short rest in Game 4, big advantage Yanks there.I know this is a lot of if, maybe, possibly type of stuff...and I'm not saying any of it is guaranteed of course. Just that I certainly don't feel like the series is over even if the Yanks lose tonight.
 
Snotbubbles said:
Yankee23Fan said:
Ouch. Not much to say other then major props to Lee. When a pitcher is that on you can't fault any lineup for getting manhandled. Huge win for the Phillies.I can't take anything positive out of the game for the Yankees. To me, everything just got real simple. Win Game 2 or this isn't going to be nearly as long as I thought it would be. And to be honest, I have no faith in AJ Burnett even though he has the stuff to do it. So, win tonight and it is a series. Lose and there is a good chance this doesn't come back to New York.
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Lee was brilliant. TBH, I was equally impressed with Sabathia. It was obvious that he was having issues with his control for much of the night yet still only let up 2 runs. The Phillies have to do a much better job the next time they face him. If I were the Yankees I would have pitched Pettite in game 2 instead of Burnett. What I think will really hurt the Yankees chances of winning this series is when the teams come to the NL park and the Yanks have to pull Matsui in the lineup and replace him with a pitcher. The bottom of that Yankee lineup is already struggling, adding another automatic out there could spell doom for them.
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The Yanks like to keep Burnett at home as much as possible, but yeah Yankee fans would feel a lot more confident with Andy going tonight in a close-to-must-win game.Agreed about the lineup. All of a sudden, the things that plagued the Yanks back in April are resurfacing now. Shaky bullpen, inability to get timely hits, Girardi's curious usage of the pen. Hope we can turn back the clock and beat Pedro like we always used to, because it's gonna be a large mountain to climb if we don't.
 
Michael Brown said:
Yankee23Fan said:
Ouch. Not much to say other then major props to Lee. When a pitcher is that on you can't fault any lineup for getting manhandled. Huge win for the Phillies.I can't take anything positive out of the game for the Yankees. To me, everything just got real simple. Win Game 2 or this isn't going to be nearly as long as I thought it would be. And to be honest, I have no faith in AJ Burnett even though he has the stuff to do it. So, win tonight and it is a series. Lose and there is a good chance this doesn't come back to New York.
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I can see some similarities between this series and 1996 even if they do lose tonight (by the way, most Yankee fans I've talked to are now assuming they're gonna lose). In 96 they lost the first two at home but then had the vet Cone going in Game 3 and a matchup of bums (Rogers/Neagle) in Game 4. So the key was knocking around Neagle in Game 4 because everyone knew Conie wasn't going quietly in Game 3. Similar to this, I have the utmost confidence in Andy in Game 3 even in Philly. And the key then becomes 4, though we'd probably go CC on short rest down 2-1. If Philly decides to not bring Lee back on short rest in Game 4, big advantage Yanks there.I know this is a lot of if, maybe, possibly type of stuff...and I'm not saying any of it is guaranteed of course. Just that I certainly don't feel like the series is over even if the Yanks lose tonight.
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I'd say there is probably a 99% chance that the Phils DON'T pitch Lee on short rest regardless of the outcome of games 2 and 3. I say that probably goes to 100% if the Phils win game 2 or 3. While pitching CC on short rest in game 4 against a Blanton or Happ would give the Yankees the advantage in that game, the problem that will arise for the Yankees is who goes games 5 and 6. Do you really want to pitch Burnett on short rest game 5 and Pettite on short rest in game 6 and then CC on short rest twice in game 7. Whatever advantage the Yankees get by pitching CC on short rest in game 4, they lose by pitching the other 2 guys on short rest in games 5 and 6 facing a fully rested Cliff Lee and Pedro Martinez.Game 2 is really important for the Yankees. I think they probably need to win game 3 as well to have a shot at this because IMO, a short rested Burnett and Pettite in games 5 and 6 will probably be tough to win.
 
Cliff Lee was the first pitcher in MLB history to give up 0ER, 0BB, and 10Ks :shrug:

Anyway, tonights a must win for the Yankees. I gotta say I like the piching matchups for the Yankees over the next 3 games but anything can happen.

 
Snotbubbles said:
Michael Brown said:
Yankee23Fan said:
Ouch. Not much to say other then major props to Lee. When a pitcher is that on you can't fault any lineup for getting manhandled. Huge win for the Phillies.

I can't take anything positive out of the game for the Yankees. To me, everything just got real simple. Win Game 2 or this isn't going to be nearly as long as I thought it would be. And to be honest, I have no faith in AJ Burnett even though he has the stuff to do it. So, win tonight and it is a series. Lose and there is a good chance this doesn't come back to New York.
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I can see some similarities between this series and 1996 even if they do lose tonight (by the way, most Yankee fans I've talked to are now assuming they're gonna lose). In 96 they lost the first two at home but then had the vet Cone going in Game 3 and a matchup of bums (Rogers/Neagle) in Game 4. So the key was knocking around Neagle in Game 4 because everyone knew Conie wasn't going quietly in Game 3. Similar to this, I have the utmost confidence in Andy in Game 3 even in Philly. And the key then becomes 4, though we'd probably go CC on short rest down 2-1. If Philly decides to not bring Lee back on short rest in Game 4, big advantage Yanks there.I know this is a lot of if, maybe, possibly type of stuff...and I'm not saying any of it is guaranteed of course. Just that I certainly don't feel like the series is over even if the Yanks lose tonight.
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I'd say there is probably a 99% chance that the Phils DON'T pitch Lee on short rest regardless of the outcome of games 2 and 3. I say that probably goes to 100% if the Phils win game 2 or 3. While pitching CC on short rest in game 4 against a Blanton or Happ would give the Yankees the advantage in that game, the problem that will arise for the Yankees is who goes games 5 and 6. Do you really want to pitch Burnett on short rest game 5 and Pettite on short rest in game 6 and then CC on short rest twice in game 7. Whatever advantage the Yankees get by pitching CC on short rest in game 4, they lose by pitching the other 2 guys on short rest in games 5 and 6 facing a fully rested Cliff Lee and Pedro Martinez.Game 2 is really important for the Yankees. I think they probably need to win game 3 as well to have a shot at this because IMO, a short rested Burnett and Pettite in games 5 and 6 will probably be tough to win.
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No doubt that Game 2 is incredibly important for obvious reasons, I just think it can be done even if they lose it.If Pettitte and CC can take 3/4 (perhaps a big "if" but bear with me), then we've taken back home field advantage. I know Game 5 we'd be at a disadvantage, but at that point you've already gotten back the HFA...not that it's a free game or anything, but you can throw Gaudin in a game that's not do or die at that point. Then you come back home with Burnett and Pettitte, and CC available in relief. Is it too much to ask for Burnett to outpitch Lee in a do-or-die game? Maybe, because he's not very reliable and Lee was insane last night. But if Burnett isn't going to pitch well in these type of games, then we weren't winning the WS anyway!

 
Sammy3469 said:
Darth Cheney said:
4x champ said:
The rest of the baseball world is learning what we already know about this team. Unbelievable game by Lee and CC. We just witnessed one of the best pitching performances in WS history.Welcome back Chase!!! :goodposting:
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Everybody knows about this team. Don't know where this "we don't get respect" tripe is coming from from the Philly faithful.
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+190 might have something to do with it.
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Exactly. Defending champs at 2-1 underdogs?? Cmon. Plus 21 of 23 talking heads at ESPN predicting Yankees win and countless other "experts" just assuming the Yanks win because of who they are, and the apparent rights to the title that they seem to own.
 
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4x champ said:
Sammy3469 said:
Darth Cheney said:
4x champ said:
The rest of the baseball world is learning what we already know about this team. Unbelievable game by Lee and CC. We just witnessed one of the best pitching performances in WS history.Welcome back Chase!!! :goodposting:
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Everybody knows about this team. Don't know where this "we don't get respect" tripe is coming from from the Philly faithful.
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+190 might have something to do with it.
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Exactly. Defending champs at 2-1 underdogs?? Cmon. Plus 21 of 23 talking heads at ESPN predicting Yankees win and countless other "experts" just assuming the Yanks win because of who they are, and the apparent rights to the title that they seem to own.
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Take advantage of the odds now. Since losing in a three-game sweep to the Rockies in the 2007 NLDS, the Phils have gone 12-3 in postseason play. The torch is being passed.
 
4x champ said:
Sammy3469 said:
Darth Cheney said:
4x champ said:
The rest of the baseball world is learning what we already know about this team. Unbelievable game by Lee and CC. We just witnessed one of the best pitching performances in WS history.Welcome back Chase!!! :confused:
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Everybody knows about this team. Don't know where this "we don't get respect" tripe is coming from from the Philly faithful.
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+190 might have something to do with it.
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Exactly. Defending champs at 2-1 underdogs?? Cmon. Plus 21 of 23 talking heads at ESPN predicting Yankees win and countless other "experts" just assuming the Yanks win because of who they are, and the apparent rights to the title that they seem to own.
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So what happened last year should be an indicator of this year? The Yankees won more games, had all over better offensive numbers and much better bullpen numbers. That should be more of a factor than the fact that the Phillies are the defending champions. No one's disrespecting the Phillies. Everything I've heard from the talking heads is that noone should go to sleep on either team.
 
Michael Brown said:
Snotbubbles said:
Michael Brown said:
Yankee23Fan said:
Ouch. Not much to say other then major props to Lee. When a pitcher is that on you can't fault any lineup for getting manhandled. Huge win for the Phillies.

I can't take anything positive out of the game for the Yankees. To me, everything just got real simple. Win Game 2 or this isn't going to be nearly as long as I thought it would be. And to be honest, I have no faith in AJ Burnett even though he has the stuff to do it. So, win tonight and it is a series. Lose and there is a good chance this doesn't come back to New York.
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I can see some similarities between this series and 1996 even if they do lose tonight (by the way, most Yankee fans I've talked to are now assuming they're gonna lose). In 96 they lost the first two at home but then had the vet Cone going in Game 3 and a matchup of bums (Rogers/Neagle) in Game 4. So the key was knocking around Neagle in Game 4 because everyone knew Conie wasn't going quietly in Game 3. Similar to this, I have the utmost confidence in Andy in Game 3 even in Philly. And the key then becomes 4, though we'd probably go CC on short rest down 2-1. If Philly decides to not bring Lee back on short rest in Game 4, big advantage Yanks there.I know this is a lot of if, maybe, possibly type of stuff...and I'm not saying any of it is guaranteed of course. Just that I certainly don't feel like the series is over even if the Yanks lose tonight.
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I'd say there is probably a 99% chance that the Phils DON'T pitch Lee on short rest regardless of the outcome of games 2 and 3. I say that probably goes to 100% if the Phils win game 2 or 3. While pitching CC on short rest in game 4 against a Blanton or Happ would give the Yankees the advantage in that game, the problem that will arise for the Yankees is who goes games 5 and 6. Do you really want to pitch Burnett on short rest game 5 and Pettite on short rest in game 6 and then CC on short rest twice in game 7. Whatever advantage the Yankees get by pitching CC on short rest in game 4, they lose by pitching the other 2 guys on short rest in games 5 and 6 facing a fully rested Cliff Lee and Pedro Martinez.Game 2 is really important for the Yankees. I think they probably need to win game 3 as well to have a shot at this because IMO, a short rested Burnett and Pettite in games 5 and 6 will probably be tough to win.
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No doubt that Game 2 is incredibly important for obvious reasons, I just think it can be done even if they lose it.If Pettitte and CC can take 3/4 (perhaps a big "if" but bear with me), then we've taken back home field advantage. I know Game 5 we'd be at a disadvantage, but at that point you've already gotten back the HFA...not that it's a free game or anything, but you can throw Gaudin in a game that's not do or die at that point. Then you come back home with Burnett and Pettitte, and CC available in relief. Is it too much to ask for Burnett to outpitch Lee in a do-or-die game? Maybe, because he's not very reliable and Lee was insane last night. But if Burnett isn't going to pitch well in these type of games, then we weren't winning the WS anyway!
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But in that scenario, you're better off pitching Gaudin in game 4 against Blanton/Happ. Why give game 5 away? Then pitch CC on regular rest against Lee again and have a shot at game 5. It's not like CC was overmatched against the Phillies. He made 2 mistakes. In any scenario, you're gonna need Burnett and Pettitte to pitch well in 3 of their 4 starts. I think it makes more sense to try and win every game and not essentially give away game 5, even if the series is tied 2-2. The only way I'd do your scenario is if the Yankees are down 3-0, then you gotta go with your best. Otherwise, I'd use a 4 man rotation.
 
Snotbubbles said:
But in that scenario, you're better off pitching Gaudin in game 4 against Blanton/Happ. Why give game 5 away? Then pitch CC on regular rest against Lee again and have a shot at game 5. It's not like CC was overmatched against the Phillies. He made 2 mistakes. In any scenario, you're gonna need Burnett and Pettitte to pitch well in 3 of their 4 starts. I think it makes more sense to try and win every game and not essentially give away game 5, even if the series is tied 2-2. The only way I'd do your scenario is if the Yankees are down 3-0, then you gotta go with your best. Otherwise, I'd use a 4 man rotation.
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If the Yanks are down 2-1 or 3-0 Id use CC in game 4. Otherwise Id use Gaudin and hope you can win a slugfest vs Blanton.
 
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