***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[stevegamer]

Admittedly I don't know how healthy Holt really is. But assuming he could pass a physical with flying colors, I would run, not walk, to sign him to a 3-year deal and go from there. Sure, i would love Boldin and am not ruling it out until something officially happens. But we're just not going to pay anything close to 2 1st rounders for him, so if that's REALLY the price tag, I can't even entertain the idea we're in the hunt.Lots of love for Weaver, but the Eagles have rarely made use of versatile fullbacks or H-backs in the Reid era.

Not that I disagree with your last point, but who have they had that fits that bill? Seriously, they treat the position as such an afterthought that nobody even comes close to fitting that description. Ritchie is the closest thing & even then, he was an excellent run blocker & not much else. I'm cool with that. I keep hearing conflicting opinions about how effective a blocker Weaver was with Seattle. Does anyone truly know? The primary trait of importance in a fullback is to block...if they don't excel at that, what's the point? I'm tired of the tweeners that don't excel at either (Martin & Tapeh, etc.)

I've seen probably 60% of Weaver's games - when I had the ticket, I saw every Seahawks game. He can lead block fine, probably better than any RB on the Eagles roster - maybe Eckel is right there. What he really brings to the table is a versatile WCO FB, who actually can catch & run the ball.He's not a Lorenzo Neal type, but fits in fine in the Seahwks history of good fullbacks: John L. Williams, Mack Strong, Weaver. Weaver hasn't made a Pro Bowl yet, but he easily could, and knows the Holmgren WCO. Eckel needs to be back if they don't get a FB.That said I don't think they will sign Weaver, he costs too much, and the Eagles need to save money for next year - of course that's true every year.

 

[Polish Hammer]

The lack of action is unnerving. With a position of need like FB, and a player that fits the need really well like Weaver, you hate to see the team pass on it. Sure, he wants more than the average FB. But even if you overpay him a little, it isn't the same as overpaying for a position with an already high price tag (DE, QB, DB, WR, etc). We need a Deranged Hermit update to make us feel better about what is happening...

 

[ThePassion]

We need a Deranged Hermit update to make us feel better about what is happening...

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

We need a Deranged Hermit update to make us feel better about what is happening...

In this FA market right now what do you want? Do the Eagles need to make a big splash every year? Do you really want to give up 2 #1's for Boldin, when we have 3 decent WR's on this team already. Yeah I'm going to miss Dawk, but not for nothign he turns 36 this season so either way they're going to have to think longterm. Are you losing sleep over Tra Thomas when traditonally the one area of this team Reid has always seemed to have a good grasp on was O-Line. I'm not pro Front office here, but I don't think anything is passing them by here.

 

[TCFF]

We need a Deranged Hermit update to make us feel better about what is happening...

In this FA market right now what do you want? Do the Eagles need to make a big splash every year? Do you really want to give up 2 #1's for Boldin, when we have 3 decent WR's on this team already. Yeah I'm going to miss Dawk, but not for nothign he turns 36 this season so either way they're going to have to think longterm. Are you losing sleep over Tra Thomas when traditonally the one area of this team Reid has always seemed to have a good grasp on was O-Line. I'm not pro Front office here, but I don't think anything is passing them by here.

At the very least, with all the cap room we have, we should be willing to beat whatever the highest offer for Weaver is because he is good at his position, still reasonably young, and it is a glaring need for our offense. I think that we should look at Tory Holt since we would not have to give up picks to sign him. Still, he will be expensive and having played in St. Louis for so long he may not fit the system. If he doesn't, I think our WRs are OK for this year although I still think that we should sign a veteran WR who is taller or simply a better endzone target than what we have. I'm not sure what the situation is with Matt Jones' legal/drug problems, but he would fit this bill and would be cheap and easy to cut if he messes up again. Seems like I remember Andy Reid being high (not like Matt Jones) on him during the draft too. If he is not feasible due to the legal/addiction stuff there has to be some bigger WR who is more of a redzone threat than what we have. Finally, if Scott Pioli is willing to shop Tony Gonzo we should be all over that as he is still a very productive TE and that is a position of need for the Eagles. He is getting old, but the Eagles are geared to win now.

 

[stevegamer]

Eagles didn't go after Gonzo last year - I doubt they would this year, and they could've included Smith in the deal last year with I think a 3rd- so salary wouldn't have been a big deal.

Signing Weaver wouldn't be a splash, but it would help.

 

[loose circuits]

you have to think, they like the veteran make up of the roster. I surprised they haven't brought in a guy like Marvel Smith for a look. What would it hurt? They must like either Justice, Herremans, or Dunlap at LT more than we know...Can we really depend on a rookie at LT? I have faith someone will emerge, but it will be interesting on who. I hope it doesn't take too long.

I'm praying for Jason Peters, but Dunlap may be that guy already on the roster. We'll see...

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

We need a Deranged Hermit update to make us feel better about what is happening...

Do you really want to give up 2 #1's for Boldin

we have 3 decent WR's on this team already

i agree, we have 3 decent WRs, all of whom could be an ok #2 or a great #3 WR on any NFL team. Problem is that we need 1 of them to be a #1 WR...and thats not who they are.

 

[Polish Hammer]

We need a Deranged Hermit update to make us feel better about what is happening...

In this FA market right now what do you want? Do the Eagles need to make a big splash every year? Do you really want to give up 2 #1's for Boldin, when we have 3 decent WR's on this team already. Yeah I'm going to miss Dawk, but not for nothign he turns 36 this season so either way they're going to have to think longterm. Are you losing sleep over Tra Thomas when traditonally the one area of this team Reid has always seemed to have a good grasp on was O-Line. I'm not pro Front office here, but I don't think anything is passing them by here.

At the very least, with all the cap room we have, we should be willing to beat whatever the highest offer for Weaver is because he is good at his position, still reasonably young, and it is a glaring need for our offense. I think that we should look at Tory Holt since we would not have to give up picks to sign him. Still, he will be expensive and having played in St. Louis for so long he may not fit the system. If he doesn't, I think our WRs are OK for this year although I still think that we should sign a veteran WR who is taller or simply a better endzone target than what we have. I'm not sure what the situation is with Matt Jones' legal/drug problems, but he would fit this bill and would be cheap and easy to cut if he messes up again. Seems like I remember Andy Reid being high (not like Matt Jones) on him during the draft too. If he is not feasible due to the legal/addiction stuff there has to be some bigger WR who is more of a redzone threat than what we have. Finally, if Scott Pioli is willing to shop Tony Gonzo we should be all over that as he is still a very productive TE and that is a position of need for the Eagles. He is getting old, but the Eagles are geared to win now.

Just to be clear, this is EXACTLY the kind of insight/info I was hoping we might be able to glean from DH. If he knows if anything along these lines was or wasn't in the works it would be interesting to know. Heck, just to know what positions are seen by the FO as positions of need. When you see inaction as we have seen lately you get the impression of complacency. Speaking for myself I don't think this team can afford to be complacent. Do you?

 

[dotman]

We need a Deranged Hermit update to make us feel better about what is happening...

Do you really want to give up 2 #1's for Boldin

we have 3 decent WR's on this team already

i agree, we have 3 decent WRs, all of whom could be an ok #2 or a great #3 WR on any NFL team. Problem is that we need 1 of them to be a #1 WR...and thats not who they are.

I agree with this mostly, which is why I don't think Holt does much for this team...at this point in his career he is just another ok #2. I do think DeSean can be a #1 eventually, but I'm not sure if he's ready yet. He definitely has #1 potential though even for this year.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRs

Jackson 2

Curtis 2

Avant 2

Basket 3

Brown 1

GLew 1

 

[None_More_Black]

I think they should look at Matt Jones. He was productive(he basically was the Jags possession wr despite speed) last year on a run first team and has made good progress in learning the wr position after being a qb in college. If utilized right his yac can be greatly improved.(Think Plaxico) He has the potential to be the red zone threat the Eagles need (a weakness for the Birds) and his speed is just a nice kicker. If he can stay clean, he is an upgrade over Reggie Brown. If the guy is a flake skip it, but if he seems sincere in putting his drug problems behind him, I say why not.

 

[Ash]

I think they should look at Matt Jones. He was productive(he basically was the Jags possession wr despite speed) last year on a run first team and has made good progress in learning the wr position after being a qb in college. If utilized right his yac can be greatly improved.(Think Plaxico) He has the potential to be the red zone threat the Eagles need (a weakness for the Birds) and his speed is just a nice kicker. If he can stay clean, he is an upgrade over Reggie Brown. If the guy is a flake skip it, but if he seems sincere in putting his drug problems behind him, I say why not.

No way on earth this team even considers Matt Jones. He dodged felony cocaine charges through a probation deal which involved him being tested for alcohol. He then proceeds to booze up on the golf course while still on probation.He's gotta be dumb as a box of rocks, and doesn't care too much about playing football.I'd give one first (not two) for Boldin or look at Holt. I didn't see much of him last year but unless he's dropped off badly he'd still be #1 on this team.

 

[None_More_Black]

I think they should look at Matt Jones. He was productive(he basically was the Jags possession wr despite speed) last year on a run first team and has made good progress in learning the wr position after being a qb in college. If utilized right his yac can be greatly improved.(Think Plaxico) He has the potential to be the red zone threat the Eagles need (a weakness for the Birds) and his speed is just a nice kicker. If he can stay clean, he is an upgrade over Reggie Brown. If the guy is a flake skip it, but if he seems sincere in putting his drug problems behind him, I say why not.

No way on earth this team even considers Matt Jones. He dodged felony cocaine charges through a probation deal which involved him being tested for alcohol. He then proceeds to booze up on the golf course while still on probation.He's gotta be dumb as a box of rocks, and doesn't care too much about playing football.I'd give one first (not two) for Boldin or look at Holt. I didn't see much of him last year but unless he's dropped off badly he'd still be #1 on this team.

I think the team would be much more likely to take a flier on Jones then a 30+ wr with serious knee concerns. I have never met Matt Jones so it depends on his attitude. Teams look at the Pat's succes with Moss and think they can do the same thing. Boldin would be everyone's hope.

 

[Rockchild]

Trading picks for Boldin is one thing but he will want a new contract as that is why he may be available. Is he worth the picks and the huge money it would take?

 

[None_More_Black]

He is going to want a new deal. It will be like what the Jets did with Lito Sheppard.(a LOT more money of course)

 

[gonzobill5]

I think they should look at Matt Jones. He was productive(he basically was the Jags possession wr despite speed) last year on a run first team and has made good progress in learning the wr position after being a qb in college. If utilized right his yac can be greatly improved.(Think Plaxico) He has the potential to be the red zone threat the Eagles need (a weakness for the Birds) and his speed is just a nice kicker. If he can stay clean, he is an upgrade over Reggie Brown. If the guy is a flake skip it, but if he seems sincere in putting his drug problems behind him, I say why not.

No way on earth this team even considers Matt Jones. He dodged felony cocaine charges through a probation deal which involved him being tested for alcohol. He then proceeds to booze up on the golf course while still on probation.He's gotta be dumb as a box of rocks, and doesn't care too much about playing football.I'd give one first (not two) for Boldin or look at Holt. I didn't see much of him last year but unless he's dropped off badly he'd still be #1 on this team.

I think the team would be much more likely to take a flier on Jones then a 30+ wr with serious knee concerns. I have never met Matt Jones so it depends on his attitude. Teams look at the Pat's succes with Moss and think they can do the same thing. Boldin would be everyone's hope.

Could Reggie Williams be that red zone threat?

 

[JaxBill]

I think they should look at Matt Jones. He was productive(he basically was the Jags possession wr despite speed) last year on a run first team and has made good progress in learning the wr position after being a qb in college. If utilized right his yac can be greatly improved.(Think Plaxico) He has the potential to be the red zone threat the Eagles need (a weakness for the Birds) and his speed is just a nice kicker. If he can stay clean, he is an upgrade over Reggie Brown. If the guy is a flake skip it, but if he seems sincere in putting his drug problems behind him, I say why not.

No way on earth this team even considers Matt Jones. He dodged felony cocaine charges through a probation deal which involved him being tested for alcohol. He then proceeds to booze up on the golf course while still on probation.He's gotta be dumb as a box of rocks, and doesn't care too much about playing football.

I'd give one first (not two) for Boldin or look at Holt. I didn't see much of him last year but unless he's dropped off badly he'd still be #1 on this team.

I think the team would be much more likely to take a flier on Jones then a 30+ wr with serious knee concerns. I have never met Matt Jones so it depends on his attitude. Teams look at the Pat's succes with Moss and think they can do the same thing. Boldin would be everyone's hope.

Could Reggie Williams be that red zone threat?

For the love of God, why is everyone so interested in the Jags first-round busts?Matt Jones - First off, nobody knows how long he will be suspended. He managed to get a 4-game suspension last year reduced because he went thru the pre-trial prgram. Does his golf course hijinks that violated probation count as another strike? Does he get slapped with whatever games were reduced last year?

Secondly, his attitude would NOT go over well in Philly. Bad body language, really has no love of the game. When people DOWN HERE are ripping a guy because he'd rather be bass fishing, you know attitude is an issue.

Reggie Williams - Again, nobody knows if he'll be suspended for a couple of games. He had one run-in with the law down here. Was his latest arrest strike 2? Link to arest info:

http://www.jacksonville.com/sports/footbal...sted_in_houston

He's a big WR with so-so hands but really doesn't get separation and doesn't run great routes. I really don't see what he would bring to the Eagles that is any better than Avant (Aside from Williams celebrating every half-decent catch with a spasmodic dance).

 

[Bushead]

I think they should look at Matt Jones. He was productive(he basically was the Jags possession wr despite speed) last year on a run first team and has made good progress in learning the wr position after being a qb in college. If utilized right his yac can be greatly improved.(Think Plaxico) He has the potential to be the red zone threat the Eagles need (a weakness for the Birds) and his speed is just a nice kicker. If he can stay clean, he is an upgrade over Reggie Brown. If the guy is a flake skip it, but if he seems sincere in putting his drug problems behind him, I say why not.

No way on earth this team even considers Matt Jones. He dodged felony cocaine charges through a probation deal which involved him being tested for alcohol. He then proceeds to booze up on the golf course while still on probation.He's gotta be dumb as a box of rocks, and doesn't care too much about playing football.

I'd give one first (not two) for Boldin or look at Holt. I didn't see much of him last year but unless he's dropped off badly he'd still be #1 on this team.

I think the team would be much more likely to take a flier on Jones then a 30+ wr with serious knee concerns. I have never met Matt Jones so it depends on his attitude. Teams look at the Pat's succes with Moss and think they can do the same thing. Boldin would be everyone's hope.

Could Reggie Williams be that red zone threat?

For the love of God, why is everyone so interested in the Jags first-round busts?Matt Jones - First off, nobody knows how long he will be suspended. He managed to get a 4-game suspension last year reduced because he went thru the pre-trial prgram. Does his golf course hijinks that violated probation count as another strike? Does he get slapped with whatever games were reduced last year?

Secondly, his attitude would NOT go over well in Philly. Bad body language, really has no love of the game. When people DOWN HERE are ripping a guy because he'd rather be bass fishing, you know attitude is an issue.

Reggie Williams - Again, nobody knows if he'll be suspended for a couple of games. He had one run-in with the law down here. Was his latest arrest strike 2? Link to arest info:

http://www.jacksonville.com/sports/footbal...sted_in_houston

He's a big WR with so-so hands but really doesn't get separation and doesn't run great routes. I really don't see what he would bring to the Eagles that is any better than Avant (Aside from Williams celebrating every half-decent catch with a spasmodic dance).

The charges against Reggie Williams were droppedCharges Dropped

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't know if Matt Jones' problems have soured teams against him, but for what it's worth the Eagles were REALLY enamored with him coming out of college. Personally I would be disappointed with signing him. If you're going to roll the dice on a questionable character, you only do it with someone who is, or has the potential to be, great.

 

[unckeyherb]

I don't know if Matt Jones' problems have soured teams against him, but for what it's worth the Eagles were REALLY enamored with him coming out of college. Personally I would be disappointed with signing him. If you're going to roll the dice on a questionable character, you only do it with someone who is, or has the potential to be, great.

Coming out of college, I think he had all the talent and potential in the world. His attitude in Jax has been less than positive, but maybe a change of scenery and a larger involvement in the offense could turn him around. Watching his highlight reels coming out of school, the kid really could do it all, throw, run, catch. If schemed right he could add an interesting dynamic to this offense. That being said, I don't see the FO taking a shot on a questionable-character with "potentially" great skills. I also hope they don't overpay for an old-injury potential/great WR in Holt. Boldin to me is the one. If you can't get him in some reasonable fashion, then you go into the draft as is. Target Knowshon and OL.

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't know if Matt Jones' problems have soured teams against him, but for what it's worth the Eagles were REALLY enamored with him coming out of college. Personally I would be disappointed with signing him. If you're going to roll the dice on a questionable character, you only do it with someone who is, or has the potential to be, great.

Coming out of college, I think he had all the talent and potential in the world. His attitude in Jax has been less than positive, but maybe a change of scenery and a larger involvement in the offense could turn him around. Watching his highlight reels coming out of school, the kid really could do it all, throw, run, catch. If schemed right he could add an interesting dynamic to this offense. That being said, I don't see the FO taking a shot on a questionable-character with "potentially" great skills. I also hope they don't overpay for an old-injury potential/great WR in Holt. Boldin to me is the one. If you can't get him in some reasonable fashion, then you go into the draft as is. Target Knowshon and OL.

I definitely think, objectively, this team has a year or two left before we have to massively rebuild. So with that in mind, I really don't see the harm in Holt or Harrison. Boldin would be incredible, obviously, but I just can't believe that's even on the table until we know for sure it's on the table.

 

[zadok]

Target Knowshon

The more I look at the draftees and the state of the team, Moreno has to be their #1 priority if they address OT/WR beforehand or not. To me he looks a lot like Emmitt Smith.

 

[zadok]

For the love of God, why is everyone so interested in the Jags first-round busts?

My thoughts exactly. We already have a "big" WR in Baskett, at least he plays special teams which to my knowledge Jones/Williams have not.

 

[TCFF]

For the love of God, why is everyone so interested in the Jags first-round busts?

My thoughts exactly. We already have a "big" WR in Baskett, at least he plays special teams which to my knowledge Jones/Williams have not.

Since I brought up Matt Jones, I'll try to answer the question as to why I think the Eagles should look at him.1.) He had great potential coming out of college, is/was incredibly athletic, and the Eagles were high on him then.2.) He will be very cheap which means he will be esay to cut if it doesn't work out so he is really a small risk.3.) He could meet our need as an endzone threat. Yes, Hank Baskett is big, but after having been in the Eagles system for three years he has proven to not be a big endzone target.4.) I think we should take a small gamble on potential-- paid dividends for the Bucs with Antonio Bryant last year.5.) Change of scenary could help quite a bit. The Eagles are a very well run team in a WR friendly offense. Jax never passed and when they did they did it poorly. They have not had a decent passing game since Brunell and Jimmy Smith were in their primes.6.)This could address our WR need, which I would argue, is less than our need on the OL and at RB, thus allowing us to save picks for these two spots.7.) Finally, again, what's the risk-- if he messes up, cut him.

 

[zadok]

For the love of God, why is everyone so interested in the Jags first-round busts?

My thoughts exactly. We already have a "big" WR in Baskett, at least he plays special teams which to my knowledge Jones/Williams have not.

Since I brought up Matt Jones, I'll try to answer the question as to why I think the Eagles should look at him.1.) He had great potential coming out of college, is/was incredibly athletic, and the Eagles were high on him then.2.) He will be very cheap which means he will be esay to cut if it doesn't work out so he is really a small risk.3.) He could meet our need as an endzone threat. Yes, Hank Baskett is big, but after having been in the Eagles system for three years he has proven to not be a big endzone target.4.) I think we should take a small gamble on potential-- paid dividends for the Bucs with Antonio Bryant last year.5.) Change of scenary could help quite a bit. The Eagles are a very well run team in a WR friendly offense. Jax never passed and when they did they did it poorly. They have not had a decent passing game since Brunell and Jimmy Smith were in their primes.6.)This could address our WR need, which I would argue, is less than our need on the OL and at RB, thus allowing us to save picks for these two spots.7.) Finally, again, what's the risk-- if he messes up, cut him.

He's not just a screw-up or a bust, he's a criminal. Antonio Bryant at least showcased his talent in college and in Dallas and in Cleveland before TB signed him. And I don't see how anyone could view WR as a bigger need than RB or OT on this team. But that's just me...

 

[JaxBill]

So who were the Eagles checking out at FSU? Everette Brown makes no sense to me. The Eagles would probably have to trade up to get him and everything I've heard is that he's a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. I could see Tony Carter or Antone Smith but then why send the LB coach?

Florida State’s pro day was held outdoors Monday on FieldTurf in Tallahassee, Fla., and was attended by 26 NFL teams. Linebacker coaches from the Miami Dolphins, Jacksonville Jaguars and Philadelphia Eagles were in attendance, among others.Fifteen players worked out at the pro day, but many scouts and personnel men were there to watch DE/LB Everette Brown (6-1 7/8, 256 pounds). He turned in a 31-inch vertical leap and a 9-foot, 9-inch broad jump, but he otherwise stood on his numbers from the combine.Another player to watch is CB/KR Michael Ray Garvin (5-7 5/8, 174 pounds). Garvin, a world-class track speedster, turned in times of 4.24 and 4.28 seconds in the 40-yard dash. For comparison, either one of those times would have been the fastest at the combine in Indianapolis, as Maryland’s Darrius Heyward-Bey had the best time at 4.30 seconds. Garvin also had a 36-inch vertical leap, a 10-foot, 8-inch broad jump and times of 4.34 seconds in the short shuttle and 6.97 seconds in the three-cone drill.Among other notables to work out:RB Antone Smith (5-7 7/8, 191 pounds) also showed off his speed at the pro day with times of 4.33 and 4.36 seconds in the 40. He had a 32-inch vertical and a 10-foot, 2-inch broad jump and times of 4.32 seconds in the short shuttle and 6.90 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also put up an impressive 31 repetitions on the bench press.CB Tony Carter (5-8 3/4, 179 pounds) put up 40 times of 4.42 and 4.41 seconds and had a 39-inch vertical. He had a 10-foot broad jump and times of 4.19 seconds in the short shuttle and 7.18 seconds in the three-cone drill, with 17 repetitions of 225 pounds on the bench press.WR Greg Carr (6-5 3/8, 217 pounds) had 40 times of 4.58 and 4.65 seconds. He had a 31-inch vertical leap and a 9-foot, 6-inch broad jump and times of 4.40 seconds in the short shuttle and 7.41 seconds in the three-cone drill.– Gil Brandt

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRsJackson 2Curtis 2Avant 2Basket 3 Brown 1GLew 1

I just don't think this front office is looking to fall over itself with this offense when it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league last year. I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here. 2 #1's for Boldin is insane given what this offense is capable of doing. Where has FB ever mattered in this offense? Matt Jones and Torry Holt making a difference?? Come on - Let's stop with the sky is falling mentality especially given how much paradoy there is in this mediocre league. Yeah they have problems offensively - but if they don't get this OT situation cleared up, you can have Montana and Rice out there, it won't matter.

 

[Domination]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRsJackson 2Curtis 2Avant 2Basket 3 Brown 1GLew 1

Nice numbers, but the Eagles are known for spreading the ball around. You didn't add the fact that they had 7 TDs to RBs, 4 to TE, and 1 to OT. Not justifying, just clarifying.

 

[Chunky Soup]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRs

Jackson 2

Curtis 2

Avant 2

Basket 3

Brown 1

GLew 1

I just don't think this front office is looking to fall over itself with this offense when it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league last year. I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here.

That would be a shame because I'd bet we were one of the most inconsistent teams out there. Add in aging WRs plus the drastic loss of Greg Lewis and you need some change.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRs

Jackson 2

Curtis 2

Avant 2

Basket 3

Brown 1

GLew 1

I just don't think this front office is looking to fall over itself with this offense when it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league last year. I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here. 2 #1's for Boldin is insane given what this offense is capable of doing. Where has FB ever mattered in this offense? Matt Jones and Torry Holt making a difference?? Come on - Let's stop with the sky is falling mentality especially given how much paradoy there is in this mediocre league. Yeah they have problems offensively - but if they don't get this OT situation cleared up, you can have Montana and Rice out there, it won't matter.

There may be some "sky is falling" mentality in this thread, but you are drinking the Jonestown koolaid is you believe all that nonsense you just typed. Let's parse your reply (because i'm bored today):"it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league" - Ok, yes, they scored a lot of points, but 30% of those points came in 3 games against horrible Defenses (STL, SF, and ARI). If you count the Cowboys as having a bad D, then 50% of their pts came in 5 games.

"I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here." - We're sooooo glad that you've cleared this up and are now assuring us of the intentions of the F.O. I forgot to ask, how long have you been working in the Eagles Front Office? You probably shouldnt be posting on a Fantasy website since you know, you work for the NFL. You cant assure us of jack s***

"2 #1's for Boldin is insane given what this offense is capable of doing." - I know, i mean last time they had a true #1, they only made it to the SB, had the most potent O in the league, and were incredibly consistent the entire season. But hey, why would we want to improve the team when what we have now is good to enough to almost get it done every year?

"Where has FB ever mattered in this offense?" How about short yardage plays? How about a lack of a goal line O' costing the team 2 W's last year?

"but if they don't get this OT situation cleared up, you can have Montana and Rice out there, it won't matter." - Ok, that might (MIGHT) be true, but they have proved the past few years that if you dont get the WR situation cleared up, they can have 2 all pro OTs out there and it wont matter.

This team BARELY made the playoffs last year through what can only be described as a convergence of miracles in week 17. I hate the What If game, but if the Bengals make that kick and the refs dont blow a call in the ATL game, this team is 8-8. Set all that aside even and I really dont understand the resistance there is to improving the team. You all say that Boldin isnt worth 2 #1s. Ok, tell me who the birds draft in Rd 1 this year that pushes the team over the hump. Throw two guys out there...do you know they will be good pros? Do we know Boldin is an All Pro?

Its amazing how many fans "take the side" of the FO and worry about the financial viability of the Franchise, or the ludicrous gold standard that supposedly has been established. Meanwhile, the team is 40 mil under the cap, raised ticket prices during the worst recession in 70 years, is one of the top 5 to 8 teams in the league in terms of merchandising revenue, and has no public financing in their building. All while convincing a large number of its fans that slightly above mediocre every year is just fine.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRsJackson 2Curtis 2Avant 2Basket 3 Brown 1GLew 1

I just don't think this front office is looking to fall over itself with this offense when it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league last year. I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here. 2 #1's for Boldin is insane given what this offense is capable of doing. Where has FB ever mattered in this offense? Matt Jones and Torry Holt making a difference?? Come on - Let's stop with the sky is falling mentality especially given how much paradoy there is in this mediocre league. Yeah they have problems offensively - but if they don't get this OT situation cleared up, you can have Montana and Rice out there, it won't matter.

Are you happy with this teams red zone production the past few years. Like BKnuckles said they scored boatloads of points in against bad Stl, SF, Clev teams, Arizona's porous d on a short week traveling cross country and then 44 against a cowboy team that shriveld up and died in which the d scored a few TDs. Where was this point scoring against the bears, bengals, ravens, redskins twice. They were very inconsistent all year and you can't deny it. They have a real good defense but the offense needs help especially in the red zone

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRsJackson 2Curtis 2Avant 2Basket 3 Brown 1GLew 1

I just don't think this front office is looking to fall over itself with this offense when it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league last year. I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here. 2 #1's for Boldin is insane given what this offense is capable of doing. Where has FB ever mattered in this offense? Matt Jones and Torry Holt making a difference?? Come on - Let's stop with the sky is falling mentality especially given how much paradoy there is in this mediocre league. Yeah they have problems offensively - but if they don't get this OT situation cleared up, you can have Montana and Rice out there, it won't matter.

Are you happy with this teams red zone production the past few years. Like BKnuckles said they scored boatloads of points in against bad Stl, SF, Clev teams, Arizona's porous d on a short week traveling cross country and then 44 against a cowboy team that shriveld up and died in which the d scored a few TDs. Where was this point scoring against the bears, bengals, ravens, redskins twice. They were very inconsistent all year and you can't deny it. They have a real good defense but the offense needs help especially in the red zone

That is my biggest complaint with this team. We need a red zone threat in the worst way. I am hoping and praying they draft Ramses Barden from Cal-Poly. Sadly I don't think they will draft him sine his route running isnt the best

 

[The Man With No Name]

Scouts from the Philadelphia Eagles will be in State College Friday for a private workout with receivers Derrick Wiiliams, Deon Butler, and Jordan Norwood.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

2008 Receiving TDs by Eagles WRs

Jackson 2

Curtis 2

Avant 2

Basket 3

Brown 1

GLew 1

I just don't think this front office is looking to fall over itself with this offense when it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league last year. I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here. 2 #1's for Boldin is insane given what this offense is capable of doing. Where has FB ever mattered in this offense? Matt Jones and Torry Holt making a difference?? Come on - Let's stop with the sky is falling mentality especially given how much paradoy there is in this mediocre league. Yeah they have problems offensively - but if they don't get this OT situation cleared up, you can have Montana and Rice out there, it won't matter.

There may be some "sky is falling" mentality in this thread, but you are drinking the Jonestown koolaid is you believe all that nonsense you just typed. Let's parse your reply (because i'm bored today):"it scored 416 points last year and were outscored by only 5 other teams in the league" - Ok, yes, they scored a lot of points, but 30% of those points came in 3 games against horrible Defenses (STL, SF, and ARI). If you count the Cowboys as having a bad D, then 50% of their pts came in 5 games.

"I can assure you Banner, Reid and co don't feel inclined to be making any drastic moves here." - We're sooooo glad that you've cleared this up and are now assuring us of the intentions of the F.O. I forgot to ask, how long have you been working in the Eagles Front Office? You probably shouldnt be posting on a Fantasy website since you know, you work for the NFL. You cant assure us of jack s***

"2 #1's for Boldin is insane given what this offense is capable of doing." - I know, i mean last time they had a true #1, they only made it to the SB, had the most potent O in the league, and were incredibly consistent the entire season. But hey, why would we want to improve the team when what we have now is good to enough to almost get it done every year?

"Where has FB ever mattered in this offense?" How about short yardage plays? How about a lack of a goal line O' costing the team 2 W's last year?

"but if they don't get this OT situation cleared up, you can have Montana and Rice out there, it won't matter." - Ok, that might (MIGHT) be true, but they have proved the past few years that if you dont get the WR situation cleared up, they can have 2 all pro OTs out there and it wont matter.

This team BARELY made the playoffs last year through what can only be described as a convergence of miracles in week 17. I hate the What If game, but if the Bengals make that kick and the refs dont blow a call in the ATL game, this team is 8-8. Set all that aside even and I really dont understand the resistance there is to improving the team. You all say that Boldin isnt worth 2 #1s. Ok, tell me who the birds draft in Rd 1 this year that pushes the team over the hump. Throw two guys out there...do you know they will be good pros? Do we know Boldin is an All Pro?

Its amazing how many fans "take the side" of the FO and worry about the financial viability of the Franchise, or the ludicrous gold standard that supposedly has been established. Meanwhile, the team is 40 mil under the cap, raised ticket prices during the worst recession in 70 years, is one of the top 5 to 8 teams in the league in terms of merchandising revenue, and has no public financing in their building. All while convincing a large number of its fans that slightly above mediocre every year is just fine.

Buddy - you can break down any teams schedule and say if they didnt crush these 3 teams they would have scored only X points. The bottom line is the Eagles weren't the only team to play the Browns, Rams, Cowboys, Cardinals last year - They obviously had a roller coaster season but this offense did not have a problem scoring this year dude. How about week 2 at Dallas or in December at the Meadowlands or better yet January at the Meadowlands for that matter? The point your missing here is the NFL is complete medioricty at this point - when the 6 seed in the playoffs is a 4 point favorite on the road in the NFC title game, thats all you need to know. How did the Eagles fair against this years Super Bowl champion if you need further proof????The Birds have some significant needs that cant be adequately addressed in Free agency this year. I'm sorry but FB isnt life or death when you take into consderation that Reid never had a FB that picked up the tough yard.. No I don't want two #1's going to Arizona for Boldin - I think they need serious OT help and a compliment to Westbrook in the worst way. I do agree that their red zone offense is atrocious - no agrument there Buddy, but I'm not dolling out 2 #1's for it. What if they pick up a Benie Wells for that tough yard and can develop Celek in the red zone. You know the guy who caught 10 passes in the NFC title game? How you can compare the 2004 Eagles aquiring TO to the 2009 Eagles acquiring Boldin is friggin ridicolous, they're are two entirely different teams not to mention the 04 TO is better than 09 Boldin - not even close. More importantly, the Cards wouldn't have hung 30+ points on the 04 defense in the NFC title game.

Dude I lived in NYC my whole life, diehard Eagles fan I don't work for the front office, when they need to be crticized I'm right there with you, but this isnt the time for that. The salary cap issue is irrelvant becuase the cap is going bye bye after this current CBA expires, so why should they spend money like drunken sailors on guys in thier mid 30's or overspend on positions they don't despeately need. As far as ticket prices, dude anyone that pays these NFL owners a PSA fee then buys 10 home games (2 preseason) to sit in the upper level when the last six weeks of the season are a coin flip as far as tempature goes is out of thier mind. I'd much rather sit in front of my 42 inch HDTV with Sunday ticket and the bathroom 20 ft away.

End of the day what do you care what they do in FA - you think the QB b!ows anyway.

 

[JetMaxx]

Scouts from the Philadelphia Eagles will be in State College Friday for a private workout with receivers Derrick Wiiliams, Deon Butler, and Jordan Norwood.

Apparently it's time to look for guys to pick with the eleven 5th rd picks they have.

 

[stevegamer]

I'm probably in the minority, but if I needed one yard, I'd trust Leonard Weaver more than Beanie Wells. I'm worried about Wells' work ethic - it screams bust to me.

Humor me on this logic:

1. The WCO Reid ran is a version of what he learned under Holmgren.

2. Reid has had crappy fullbacks, who don't fit a WCO gameplan very well, and they aren't good blockers, even. So he hasn't used them.

3. Holmgren has had good fullbacks, an has used them when he has had to.

4. A guy who is among the best WCO fullbacks in the game, and knows the WCO system of your coaching mentor is a free agent.

5. Said player is 26, and has an average 4.5 yds/carry on his career, and can catch and block.

Why NOT sign Weaver?

I understand if you think FB isn't a priority, but the team is very short at RB, and he's a 6'0 250lb back who can be used as a receiver, blocker, or short yardage runner. Seahawks would move him to tailback sometimes, as well.

 

[The Noid]

 

[JAA]

Scouts from the Philadelphia Eagles will be in State College Friday for a private workout with receivers Derrick Wiiliams, Deon Butler, and Jordan Norwood.

please no

 

[Slider]

Weaver signed! One year deal...

 

[Zoomanji]

Weaver signed! One year deal...

Pounder and a FB! Nice signing.How did we miss this?

3/9/2009 RB Eldra Buckley Claimed off waivers from the San Diego Chargers

 

[CentralPA]

Is it sad that I am pretty excited about signing a FB. It's been a rough off season I guess.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm probably in the minority, but if I needed one yard, I'd trust Leonard Weaver more than Beanie Wells. I'm worried about Wells' work ethic - it screams bust to me.

Humor me on this logic:

1. The WCO Reid ran is a version of what he learned under Holmgren.

2. Reid has had crappy fullbacks, who don't fit a WCO gameplan very well, and they aren't good blockers, even. So he hasn't used them.

3. Holmgren has had good fullbacks, an has used them when he has had to.

4. A guy who is among the best WCO fullbacks in the game, and knows the WCO system of your coaching mentor is a free agent.

5. Said player is 26, and has an average 4.5 yds/carry on his career, and can catch and block.

Why NOT sign Weaver?

I understand if you think FB isn't a priority, but the team is very short at RB, and he's a 6'0 250lb back who can be used as a receiver, blocker, or short yardage runner. Seahawks would move him to tailback sometimes, as well.

He's a lot more talented at TB than Seattle used him for. For some reason they jerked around the RB situation last year too much and didn't use Weaver as they should've. He's very versatile, has a vicious stiff arm, is a devout man and very well liked in the locker room, should very easily shore up any concerns about losing Buckhalter. Of all the Hawks offseason moves (or lack of moves) this one is the only one that I don't think made the team better. Hopefully he earns a big contract and doesn't get hurt, maybe we'll be able to bring him back next year...

 

[gonzobill5]

Weaver signed! One year deal...

What's with the one year deals? From the team's perspective, I don't get the logic behind it. I've heard people mention that it has something to do with the uncapped year, but it doesn't make sense to me.I like the signing a lot and I can't really complain too much about the offseason. It's been quiet, but they have added 3 quality players at positions of need, and its still relatively early.

 

[Zoomanji]

Weaver signed! One year deal...

What's with the one year deals? From the team's perspective, I don't get the logic behind it. I've heard people mention that it has something to do with the uncapped year, but it doesn't make sense to me.

I like the signing a lot and I can't really complain too much about the offseason. It's been quiet, but they have added 3 quality players at positions of need, and its still relatively early.

I think its the players not the team going for the 1 year deal.In the case of Weaver and Jones, these are 2 guys who think they are worth more than they ended up getting. With 2010 potentially being uncapped they (and some others) think next year could be a BIG payday.

 

[dotman]

Weaver signed! One year deal...

What's with the one year deals? From the team's perspective, I don't get the logic behind it. I've heard people mention that it has something to do with the uncapped year, but it doesn't make sense to me.

I like the signing a lot and I can't really complain too much about the offseason. It's been quiet, but they have added 3 quality players at positions of need, and its still relatively early.

I think its the players not the team going for the 1 year deal.In the case of Weaver and Jones, these are 2 guys who think they are worth more than they ended up getting. With 2010 potentially being uncapped they (and some others) think next year could be a BIG payday.

I agree....not a bad thing to have these guys playing for a pay day either!

 

[Mighty Mice]

Weaver signed! One year deal...

What's with the one year deals? From the team's perspective, I don't get the logic behind it. I've heard people mention that it has something to do with the uncapped year, but it doesn't make sense to me.I like the signing a lot and I can't really complain too much about the offseason. It's been quiet, but they have added 3 quality players at positions of need, and its still relatively early.

Agreed. Needed to address T, S, and FB/short yardage. Done, done, and done.

IMO the biggest need left is a HB to help Westbrook stay fresh. And depth at a few spots. Two firsts will help plug holes or swing a deal here shortly...

 

[JetMaxx]

Weaver signed! One year deal...

What's with the one year deals? From the team's perspective, I don't get the logic behind it. I've heard people mention that it has something to do with the uncapped year, but it doesn't make sense to me.I like the signing a lot and I can't really complain too much about the offseason. It's been quiet, but they have added 3 quality players at positions of need, and its still relatively early.

Agreed. Needed to address T, S, and FB/short yardage. Done, done, and done.

IMO the biggest need left is a HB to help Westbrook stay fresh. And depth at a few spots. Two firsts will help plug holes or swing a deal here shortly...

If they walk away from the first rd with Moreno and Mack, I will be downright thrilled. Use a #4 or a couple of the extra #5s to trade up in rd 2 to target a top TE prospect and anything added in the draft after that point is gravy.

From what I gleaned from Reid's comments with Spadaro, they will likely move Shawn Andrews to LT with Stacy at RT. Mack can play RG as a rookie while he is groomed as the uprade replacement for Jackson at C in 2010. Moreno would be a legit longterm replacement for Westbrook and potential stud in this offense.

 

[stevegamer]

I'm probably in the minority, but if I needed one yard, I'd trust Leonard Weaver more than Beanie Wells. I'm worried about Wells' work ethic - it screams bust to me.

Humor me on this logic:

1. The WCO Reid ran is a version of what he learned under Holmgren.

2. Reid has had crappy fullbacks, who don't fit a WCO gameplan very well, and they aren't good blockers, even. So he hasn't used them.

3. Holmgren has had good fullbacks, an has used them when he has had to.

4. A guy who is among the best WCO fullbacks in the game, and knows the WCO system of your coaching mentor is a free agent.

5. Said player is 26, and has an average 4.5 yds/carry on his career, and can catch and block.

Why NOT sign Weaver?

I understand if you think FB isn't a priority, but the team is very short at RB, and he's a 6'0 250lb back who can be used as a receiver, blocker, or short yardage runner. Seahawks would move him to tailback sometimes, as well.

He's a lot more talented at TB than Seattle used him for. For some reason they jerked around the RB situation last year too much and didn't use Weaver as they should've. He's very versatile, has a vicious stiff arm, is a devout man and very well liked in the locker room, should very easily shore up any concerns about losing Buckhalter. Of all the Hawks offseason moves (or lack of moves) this one is the only one that I don't think made the team better. Hopefully he earns a big contract and doesn't get hurt, maybe we'll be able to bring him back next year...

This is good news - bad news for me, as a Seahawks & Eagles fan.Weaver was way underutilized last year by the 'Hawks, as madsweeney states. He was a Pro Bowl alternate, and is a massive upgrade for the Eagles over Buckhalter. Look for him to make the Pro Bowl in Philly.

The Eagles now need a RB to replace Westbrook, rather than combine with him. Should hopefully eliminate any chance of them taking Wells.

For the Seahawks, I think this shows they are moving more towards a traditional style attack, with Schmitt being the FB, and he's looked decent enough.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Good signing by the birds today