***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I have no problem moving Andrews to RT. However they will still need a center and LT. We must get someone before Thomas falls apart before our eyes.

As someone mentioned above, I love the idea of taking a look at Sproles. I absolutely love Westbrook but the guy will be over 30 and has not stayed healthy yet.

 

[Day Drinker]

Is anyone else excited about Kevin Curtis next year? I thought he'd be nice this year before he got hurt but he showed some good burst Sunday, and he seems to have good rapport with Donovan. Our WR's should still be solid even if they don't bring anyone in, but a guy like Boldin would make them great.

The only way I'm excited about Curtis is IF they bring in a legit #1 (Boldin?) so that Curtis can go into the slot where he belongs. Otherwise Curtis will have some good games and some games where you can't remember if he even played or not.Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Wow, talk about spoiled. If by the same "crap", you mean repeated NFC Championship games, then sign me up.

 

[Game Time]

Is anyone else excited about Kevin Curtis next year? I thought he'd be nice this year before he got hurt but he showed some good burst Sunday, and he seems to have good rapport with Donovan. Our WR's should still be solid even if they don't bring anyone in, but a guy like Boldin would make them great.

The only way I'm excited about Curtis is IF they bring in a legit #1 (Boldin?) so that Curtis can go into the slot where he belongs. Otherwise Curtis will have some good games and some games where you can't remember if he even played or not.Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Wow, talk about spoiled. If by the same "crap", you mean repeated NFC Championship games, then sign me up.

I know.... maybe next year we can change it up and go for a solid 3-13 season! WHat a stupid post.........

 

[dirtywaters20]

What would you Eagle fans be "ok" with giving up for Boldin in a trade? Just curious on what you guys determine his worth to be.

Lito, a 1st, and a 3rd.though i imagine Lito's value is nowhere near what it was before the season

You read my mind. I had the exact same initial thought.From an ARI standpoint, I think Boldin will be a little easier to trade now after seeing Breaston's play this season.

I'd think I'd rather spend that money on Gross, Haynesworth, Asomugha, Peppers, etc. & keep the draft picks. Boldin's injury history makes me nervous.

 

[Slider]

Cole played much better than Max-Jean. Jackson is horrible. I would move Herrimans out to LT and hope Dunlap develops. Runyan should be resigned and we need a new C. Andrews will come back I think. Super classy move by Reid not IR'ing him.

Maybe Ike can be our new FS. If he's lost a step he would still be a stud FS.

I would trade McNabb now but that's just me.

RB should be our 1st pick in the draft. The other one should go for Boldin.

How was not being placed on IR a classy move? No sarcasm, just honestly want to know. I'm watching the SB for one big reason now, to see if Boldin gets benched again or has his playing time limited. Would love to see the rift widened between him and the Cards coaches. Drive that wedge!

I think with his depression and all it would have been a disaster to make the Bowl and have him sit on the side. Not that he would have been game ready but just some support to make him know you care.

 

[Slider]

I think a 1st alone would get Boldin. You could throw in Lito but I'm pretty sure we can keep the 3rd.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Cole played much better than Max-Jean. Jackson is horrible. I would move Herrimans out to LT and hope Dunlap develops. Runyan should be resigned and we need a new C. Andrews will come back I think. Super classy move by Reid not IR'ing him.

Maybe Ike can be our new FS. If he's lost a step he would still be a stud FS.

I would trade McNabb now but that's just me.

RB should be our 1st pick in the draft. The other one should go for Boldin.

How was not being placed on IR a classy move? No sarcasm, just honestly want to know. I'm watching the SB for one big reason now, to see if Boldin gets benched again or has his playing time limited. Would love to see the rift widened between him and the Cards coaches. Drive that wedge!

I think with his depression and all it would have been a disaster to make the Bowl and have him sit on the side. Not that he would have been game ready but just some support to make him know you care.

ah, ok. Reid must be part of the dionne warwick psychic friends if he thought way back in Sept/Oct that we would be in the SB I get it, still dont agree with it, but i get it

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

What would you Eagle fans be "ok" with giving up for Boldin in a trade? Just curious on what you guys determine his worth to be.

Lito, a 1st, and a 3rd.though i imagine Lito's value is nowhere near what it was before the season

You read my mind. I had the exact same initial thought.From an ARI standpoint, I think Boldin will be a little easier to trade now after seeing Breaston's play this season.

I'd think I'd rather spend that money on Gross, Haynesworth, Asomugha, Peppers, etc. & keep the draft picks. Boldin's injury history makes me nervous.

I think the window is closing on this team at the speed of light. So while its always nice to use the draft as a seed for future harvests, i think this team needs to think short term this off season. And to me, that means giving the offense a B Vitamin shotAs for Boldins health, it does worry me a little. But, i'd still rather have him for 12 games than our current cast of characters for 16. And its not like our current WRs can stay healthy either.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Cole played much better than Max-Jean. Jackson is horrible. I would move Herrimans out to LT and hope Dunlap develops. Runyan should be resigned and we need a new C. Andrews will come back I think. Super classy move by Reid not IR'ing him.

Maybe Ike can be our new FS. If he's lost a step he would still be a stud FS.

I would trade McNabb now but that's just me.

RB should be our 1st pick in the draft. The other one should go for Boldin.

How was not being placed on IR a classy move? No sarcasm, just honestly want to know. I'm watching the SB for one big reason now, to see if Boldin gets benched again or has his playing time limited. Would love to see the rift widened between him and the Cards coaches. Drive that wedge!

I think with his depression and all it would have been a disaster to make the Bowl and have him sit on the side. Not that he would have been game ready but just some support to make him know you care.

ah, ok. Reid must be part of the dionne warwick psychic friends if he thought way back in Sept/Oct that we would be in the SB I get it, still dont agree with it, but i get it

It has nothing to do with being psychic & everything to do with wanting to continue feeling like he's part of the team. He's the best player on the team & Reid deserves a ton of credit for looking long term with him.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Cole played much better than Max-Jean. Jackson is horrible. I would move Herrimans out to LT and hope Dunlap develops. Runyan should be resigned and we need a new C. Andrews will come back I think. Super classy move by Reid not IR'ing him.

Maybe Ike can be our new FS. If he's lost a step he would still be a stud FS.

I would trade McNabb now but that's just me.

RB should be our 1st pick in the draft. The other one should go for Boldin.

How was not being placed on IR a classy move? No sarcasm, just honestly want to know. I'm watching the SB for one big reason now, to see if Boldin gets benched again or has his playing time limited. Would love to see the rift widened between him and the Cards coaches. Drive that wedge!

I think with his depression and all it would have been a disaster to make the Bowl and have him sit on the side. Not that he would have been game ready but just some support to make him know you care.

ah, ok. Reid must be part of the dionne warwick psychic friends if he thought way back in Sept/Oct that we would be in the SB I get it, still dont agree with it, but i get it

It has nothing to do with being psychic & everything to do with wanting to continue feeling like he's part of the team. He's the best player on the team & Reid deserves a ton of credit for looking long term with him.

The exact same thing could have been accomplished by putting him on IR and inviting him to sit in all team meetings and up in the owners box during games. Doesnt matter now of course.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

What would you Eagle fans be "ok" with giving up for Boldin in a trade? Just curious on what you guys determine his worth to be.

Lito, a 1st, and a 3rd.though i imagine Lito's value is nowhere near what it was before the season

You read my mind. I had the exact same initial thought.From an ARI standpoint, I think Boldin will be a little easier to trade now after seeing Breaston's play this season.

I'd think I'd rather spend that money on Gross, Haynesworth, Asomugha, Peppers, etc. & keep the draft picks. Boldin's injury history makes me nervous.

Gross and Peppers are the only two in that group I can see them going after.

 

[dirtywaters20]

What would you Eagle fans be "ok" with giving up for Boldin in a trade? Just curious on what you guys determine his worth to be.

Lito, a 1st, and a 3rd.though i imagine Lito's value is nowhere near what it was before the season

You read my mind. I had the exact same initial thought.From an ARI standpoint, I think Boldin will be a little easier to trade now after seeing Breaston's play this season.

I'd think I'd rather spend that money on Gross, Haynesworth, Asomugha, Peppers, etc. & keep the draft picks. Boldin's injury history makes me nervous.

Gross and Peppers are the only two in that group I can see them going after.

You're probably right, but their self-professed philosophy is to upgrade their roster whenever premier players become available. Haynesworth & Asomugha are the best players at their respective positions by a longshot. They could have used them both on Sunday, that's for sure. I think both would be bigger difference makers than Boldin & don't require coughing up a first round pick.

 

[Crusaderfan]

Is anyone else excited about Kevin Curtis next year? I thought he'd be nice this year before he got hurt but he showed some good burst Sunday, and he seems to have good rapport with Donovan. Our WR's should still be solid even if they don't bring anyone in, but a guy like Boldin would make them great.

The only way I'm excited about Curtis is IF they bring in a legit #1 (Boldin?) so that Curtis can go into the slot where he belongs. Otherwise Curtis will have some good games and some games where you can't remember if he even played or not.Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Wow, talk about spoiled. If by the same "crap", you mean repeated NFC Championship games, then sign me up.

I know.... maybe next year we can change it up and go for a solid 3-13 season! WHat a stupid post.........

That's your opinion. To me a stupid poster is a guy that refuses to realize that we were one bad half of football by Kolb from having McNabb on the bench for the rest of the season. Please don't try to convince me that McNabb's benching was this great motivational move by Reid. It was a panic move. IF Kolb hadn't have throw the 107 INT TD to Reed, there is little doubt in my mind that he would have started the following week. On the last week, we got into the playoffs because all the stars aligned - I suppose you knew that Oakland owuld go into TB and win? If you are fine with 1-4 in NFC championship games with 3 of those losses as a favorite... If you are fine with a team that had obvious holes gong into this season but traded out of the 1st round for the second consecutive season... If you are fine with a team that turned their nose up at adding Tony Gonzalez but jumped all over Lorenzo Booker for a 4th round pick... If you are fine with a team that didn't think they needed a punt returner last season or a real FB this season even though they had problems last season too on 3rd and 1's ...Then maybe we just have different goals. My satisfaction is supposed to come from - hey I could live in Cincinnati or Cleveland?? That's just great. I just get tired of watching organizations such as TB, St. Louis and now Arizona getting by us to go to Super Bowls. In my time, they have been some of the worst organizations in the NFL. Meanwhile once again the "Gold Standard" is a bridesmaid. Yeah - I'm having a friggin' ball aren't you?

 

[dirtywaters20]

Cole played much better than Max-Jean. Jackson is horrible. I would move Herrimans out to LT and hope Dunlap develops. Runyan should be resigned and we need a new C. Andrews will come back I think. Super classy move by Reid not IR'ing him.

Maybe Ike can be our new FS. If he's lost a step he would still be a stud FS.

I would trade McNabb now but that's just me.

RB should be our 1st pick in the draft. The other one should go for Boldin.

How was not being placed on IR a classy move? No sarcasm, just honestly want to know. I'm watching the SB for one big reason now, to see if Boldin gets benched again or has his playing time limited. Would love to see the rift widened between him and the Cards coaches. Drive that wedge!

I think with his depression and all it would have been a disaster to make the Bowl and have him sit on the side. Not that he would have been game ready but just some support to make him know you care.

ah, ok. Reid must be part of the dionne warwick psychic friends if he thought way back in Sept/Oct that we would be in the SB I get it, still dont agree with it, but i get it

It has nothing to do with being psychic & everything to do with wanting to continue feeling like he's part of the team. He's the best player on the team & Reid deserves a ton of credit for looking long term with him.

The exact same thing could have been accomplished by putting him on IR and inviting him to sit in all team meetings and up in the owners box during games. Doesnt matter now of course.

Yeah but then you have to worry about him suffering a facial injury as the result of an errant high five.

 

[modogg]

Is anyone else excited about Kevin Curtis next year? I thought he'd be nice this year before he got hurt but he showed some good burst Sunday, and he seems to have good rapport with Donovan. Our WR's should still be solid even if they don't bring anyone in, but a guy like Boldin would make them great.

The only way I'm excited about Curtis is IF they bring in a legit #1 (Boldin?) so that Curtis can go into the slot where he belongs. Otherwise Curtis will have some good games and some games where you can't remember if he even played or not.Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Wow, talk about spoiled. If by the same "crap", you mean repeated NFC Championship games, then sign me up.

I know.... maybe next year we can change it up and go for a solid 3-13 season! WHat a stupid post.........

That's your opinion. To me a stupid poster is a guy that refuses to realize that we were one bad half of football by Kolb from having McNabb on the bench for the rest of the season. Please don't try to convince me that McNabb's benching was this great motivational move by Reid. It was a panic move. IF Kolb hadn't have throw the 107 INT TD to Reed, there is little doubt in my mind that he would have started the following week. On the last week, we got into the playoffs because all the stars aligned - I suppose you knew that Oakland owuld go into TB and win? If you are fine with 1-4 in NFC championship games with 3 of those losses as a favorite... If you are fine with a team that had obvious holes gong into this season but traded out of the 1st round for the second consecutive season... If you are fine with a team that turned their nose up at adding Tony Gonzalez but jumped all over Lorenzo Booker for a 4th round pick... If you are fine with a team that didn't think they needed a punt returner last season or a real FB this season even though they had problems last season too on 3rd and 1's ...Then maybe we just have different goals. My satisfaction is supposed to come from - hey I could live in Cincinnati or Cleveland?? That's just great. I just get tired of watching organizations such as TB, St. Louis and now Arizona getting by us to go to Super Bowls. In my time, they have been some of the worst organizations in the NFL. Meanwhile once again the "Gold Standard" is a bridesmaid. Yeah - I'm having a friggin' ball aren't you?

Jesus, let me guess you call 610 a lot? Would you still be writing this post if we had been able to stop Arizona on their last drive or Curtis catches that 4th down pass? Man, talk about the sky is falling. I think we all are not excited about seeing other organizations win the Super Bowl, but we got a few pays away from the Super Bowl, and we beat the defending Super Bowl champs in their home stadium. we all agree they could improve in spots, but certainly we are not in dire need of major overhaul.

 

[Crusaderfan]

Is anyone else excited about Kevin Curtis next year? I thought he'd be nice this year before he got hurt but he showed some good burst Sunday, and he seems to have good rapport with Donovan. Our WR's should still be solid even if they don't bring anyone in, but a guy like Boldin would make them great.

The only way I'm excited about Curtis is IF they bring in a legit #1 (Boldin?) so that Curtis can go into the slot where he belongs. Otherwise Curtis will have some good games and some games where you can't remember if he even played or not.Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Wow, talk about spoiled. If by the same "crap", you mean repeated NFC Championship games, then sign me up.

I know.... maybe next year we can change it up and go for a solid 3-13 season! WHat a stupid post.........

That's your opinion. To me a stupid poster is a guy that refuses to realize that we were one bad half of football by Kolb from having McNabb on the bench for the rest of the season. Please don't try to convince me that McNabb's benching was this great motivational move by Reid. It was a panic move. IF Kolb hadn't have throw the 107 INT TD to Reed, there is little doubt in my mind that he would have started the following week. On the last week, we got into the playoffs because all the stars aligned - I suppose you knew that Oakland owuld go into TB and win? If you are fine with 1-4 in NFC championship games with 3 of those losses as a favorite... If you are fine with a team that had obvious holes gong into this season but traded out of the 1st round for the second consecutive season... If you are fine with a team that turned their nose up at adding Tony Gonzalez but jumped all over Lorenzo Booker for a 4th round pick... If you are fine with a team that didn't think they needed a punt returner last season or a real FB this season even though they had problems last season too on 3rd and 1's ...Then maybe we just have different goals. My satisfaction is supposed to come from - hey I could live in Cincinnati or Cleveland?? That's just great. I just get tired of watching organizations such as TB, St. Louis and now Arizona getting by us to go to Super Bowls. In my time, they have been some of the worst organizations in the NFL. Meanwhile once again the "Gold Standard" is a bridesmaid. Yeah - I'm having a friggin' ball aren't you?

Jesus, let me guess you call 610 a lot? Would you still be writing this post if we had been able to stop Arizona on their last drive or Curtis catches that 4th down pass? Man, talk about the sky is falling. I think we all are not excited about seeing other organizations win the Super Bowl, but we got a few pays away from the Super Bowl, and we beat the defending Super Bowl champs in their home stadium. we all agree they could improve in spots, but certainly we are not in dire need of major overhaul.

Didn't say they needed a major overhaul. I definately want McNabb back BUT I want the organization to acknowledge that they need to change some things. They need another weapon on offense, they need another lineman. In the spot they traded out of during the draft last season - Carolina took Otah a guy that started for them this season. Still on the board were both Chris Johnson and Forte. They apparently didn't feel they could help them this season. I think they were wrong. So I guess what I would like to see more than anything else is a personnel guy from OUTSIDE the organization. Someone that will think outside their little box and challenge Reid on draft day. One by one guys that are both coach and GM are falling by the wayside. It's time for the Eagles to make that happen too.P.S. Had they beat Arizona, No I probably wouldn't write the post BUT the only thing in my post that would change would be they were 2-3 in NFC championship games - the rest would still be the same.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Eagles offseason

Resign:

Brian Dawkins

Jon Runyan

Do not resign/cut:

Tra Thomas

Reggie Brown

Lito Sheppard (amazing that last draft they reportedly wanted a 1st and had offers of a 2nd and turned them down. Now they get nothing for him)

Correll Buckhalter

LJ Smith

Dan Klecko (no position on the team for him

Free Agent Signings:

Derrick Ward RB

Vernon Carey OL

Heath Evans FB

Draft

1st (21) Percy Harvin WR - very versatile athlete that can work outside as a WR and from the backfield to support Westbrook and Ward.

1st (28) Alex Mack C - again versatility. Can challenge Jamaal Jackson at C or provide depth at guard

2nd (53) Chase Coffman TE - Nice one two punch with Celek.

3rd (85) Emanual Cook S - hard hitter that would help on ST's his first year and then challenge Demps as a replacement for Dawkins.

EAGLES 2 DEEP after the draft

QB McNabb/Kolb

RB Westbrook/Ward/Booker

FB Heath Evans

WR Curtis

WR Jackson/Avant

WR Harvin/Baskett

LT Herrimans/Cole

LG Carey

C Mack/Jackson

RG Andrews/Jean Gillies

RT Runyon/Justice

TE Coffman/Celek

RE T. Cole/Howard

RDT Bunkley/Laws

LDT Patterson

LDE J. Thomas/Abiamiri

SLB Gocong

MLB Bradley/Mays

WLB Jordan/Gaither

RCB Sheldon Brown

LCB Asante Samuel/Hanson

FS Brian Dawkins/Demps

I think the above is a tremendous team and would give the Eagles a good chance to return to the NFC Championship game.

SS Mickell/Cook

 

[Ash]

They way I see it is that if Jordan Gross isn't franchised, we need to do whatever it takes to sign him. I view him as a Runyan-esque FA acquisition that is still relatively young, proven, and could be with this team for a long time. He has primarily played RT, correct? I know that people have said in this thread he can go left or right, but I recall that when he was on FA lists last year he was listed as a RT. Personally, I'd like to see him on the side where he is most effective, not where we need him most. Then in the draft we need to go after at least one more T in the first round unless something else ridiculous falls to us.

This team has been VERY fortunate to have had a duo like Tra and Runyan for as long as they have, and I almost think we've taken it for granted. Winston Justice may still be able to show us something, but I don't want to count on it. We drafted a project last year too (King Dunlap or something like that?) and again, I'd rather wait a year or two to have to see what he can become.

Gross has played both RT and LT for full seasons. No idea where he is considered most effective though. Same goes for Monroe out of UVA...he has played both RT and LT.

Are we counting on Andrews in 2009? Or is he certifiably flipped his lid? Wasn't the word on the street that he was mentally done? It will make life alot easier if we can aount on him in 09

Long way off til camp, but some quotes from Spadaro's article sound promising at least. He also touches on the idea of moving Andrews to one of the tackle spots.1/20 article

"I'm very excited about where I feel like I'm going to be and where I'm going to get myself to. I have a whole new attitude about everything right now, so it's going to be a brand-new attitude and a brand-new me," said Andrews.

"First of all, I have to get myself all the way back 100 percent healthy and sturdy," said Andrews, "and then I have to bring the mental aspect of my game with me and come back with a different attitude, way different than what I had last year.

"Like I said, I'm a new being in a new state of mind and so I just have to come with that every day."

Has there ever been a Spadaro column that was anything less than blindingly optimistic? Maybe we should ask Spuds about Justice?

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

just thinking out loud here as i heard someone talking tonight about how bad the eagles WRs are and how many passes they drop...

First of all, i think this is one of the most useless stats in the game today. Yes, if a WR has TONS of drops, then its a problem. But every WR drops passes. If a WR has a lot of targets, they're going to have a lot of drops.

Take a look at this years list (link here):

Rank Player Team Stats
1 Braylon Edwards Cle 16
2 Dwayne Bowe KC 13
3 Brandon Marshall Den 12
4 Terrell Owens Dal 10
5t Calvin Johnson Det 9
5t Roddy White Atl 9
7t Laveranues Coles NYJ 8
7t Marques Colston NO 8
7t Greg Jennings GB 8
7t Marcedes Lewis Jac 8
7t Marshawn Lynch Buf 8
7t Santana Moss Was 8
7t Muhsin Muhammad Car 8
14t Bernard Berrian Min 7
14t Dallas Clark Ind 7
14t Rashied Davis Chi 7
14t Anthony Gonzalez Ind 7
14t Hines Ward Pit 7
19t Donald Driver GB 6
19t Warrick Dunn TB 6
19t Bobby Engram Sea 6
19t Jabar Gaffney NE 6
19t Justin Gage Ten 6
19t Ted Ginn Jr. Mia 6
19t Madison Hedgecock NYG 6
19t Santonio Holmes Pit 6
19t DeSean Jackson Phi 6
19t Steven Jackson StL 6
19t Chad Johnson Cin 6
19t Zach Miller Oak 6
19t Randy Moss NE 6
19t Koren Robinson Sea 6
19t Robert Royal Buf 6
19t L.J. Smith Phi 6
19t Steve Smith Car 6
19t Amani Toomer NYG 6
19t Bobby Wade Min 6

This is a virtual Who's Who of Top Flight NFL WRs. Even the worst offender (ahem Braylon) had a horrific year in terms of big drops at crucial moments, but would still be welcomed with open arms into Philly.

Sure, some guys jump out of that list with a big "WTF are they doing on there". I mean Koren Robinson, you only started 10 games, how do you make this list? Same for LJ Smith. But, the bottom line is that top tier WRs have lots of targets and make big plays. And, oh yeah, they also have a lot of "drops".

Give me a WR who can make huge plays and change an entire game, and I will live with 6, 8, 10, even 12 drops per year. Tell me you wouldnt take Brandon Marhsall and his 12 drops in 15 games

Anyway, like i said, i'm just thinking out loud here as i go through my post-mortem on the 2008 Eagles

ETA: 2 guys i didnt see on there happened to be on the field on Sunday...

 

[eagles2007]

They way I see it is that if Jordan Gross isn't franchised, we need to do whatever it takes to sign him. I view him as a Runyan-esque FA acquisition that is still relatively young, proven, and could be with this team for a long time. He has primarily played RT, correct? I know that people have said in this thread he can go left or right, but I recall that when he was on FA lists last year he was listed as a RT. Personally, I'd like to see him on the side where he is most effective, not where we need him most. Then in the draft we need to go after at least one more T in the first round unless something else ridiculous falls to us.

This team has been VERY fortunate to have had a duo like Tra and Runyan for as long as they have, and I almost think we've taken it for granted. Winston Justice may still be able to show us something, but I don't want to count on it. We drafted a project last year too (King Dunlap or something like that?) and again, I'd rather wait a year or two to have to see what he can become.

Gross has played both RT and LT for full seasons. No idea where he is considered most effective though. Same goes for Monroe out of UVA...he has played both RT and LT.

Are we counting on Andrews in 2009? Or is he certifiably flipped his lid? Wasn't the word on the street that he was mentally done? It will make life alot easier if we can aount on him in 09

Long way off til camp, but some quotes from Spadaro's article sound promising at least. He also touches on the idea of moving Andrews to one of the tackle spots.1/20 article

"I'm very excited about where I feel like I'm going to be and where I'm going to get myself to. I have a whole new attitude about everything right now, so it's going to be a brand-new attitude and a brand-new me," said Andrews.

"First of all, I have to get myself all the way back 100 percent healthy and sturdy," said Andrews, "and then I have to bring the mental aspect of my game with me and come back with a different attitude, way different than what I had last year.

"Like I said, I'm a new being in a new state of mind and so I just have to come with that every day."

Has there ever been a Spadaro column that was anything less than blindingly optimistic? Maybe we should ask Spuds about Justice?

he is an employee of the team. that's what he's paid to do.

 

[Bushead]

They way I see it is that if Jordan Gross isn't franchised, we need to do whatever it takes to sign him. I view him as a Runyan-esque FA acquisition that is still relatively young, proven, and could be with this team for a long time. He has primarily played RT, correct? I know that people have said in this thread he can go left or right, but I recall that when he was on FA lists last year he was listed as a RT. Personally, I'd like to see him on the side where he is most effective, not where we need him most. Then in the draft we need to go after at least one more T in the first round unless something else ridiculous falls to us.

This team has been VERY fortunate to have had a duo like Tra and Runyan for as long as they have, and I almost think we've taken it for granted. Winston Justice may still be able to show us something, but I don't want to count on it. We drafted a project last year too (King Dunlap or something like that?) and again, I'd rather wait a year or two to have to see what he can become.

Gross has played both RT and LT for full seasons. No idea where he is considered most effective though. Same goes for Monroe out of UVA...he has played both RT and LT.

Are we counting on Andrews in 2009? Or is he certifiably flipped his lid? Wasn't the word on the street that he was mentally done? It will make life alot easier if we can aount on him in 09

Long way off til camp, but some quotes from Spadaro's article sound promising at least. He also touches on the idea of moving Andrews to one of the tackle spots.1/20 article

"I'm very excited about where I feel like I'm going to be and where I'm going to get myself to. I have a whole new attitude about everything right now, so it's going to be a brand-new attitude and a brand-new me," said Andrews.

"First of all, I have to get myself all the way back 100 percent healthy and sturdy," said Andrews, "and then I have to bring the mental aspect of my game with me and come back with a different attitude, way different than what I had last year.

"Like I said, I'm a new being in a new state of mind and so I just have to come with that every day."

Has there ever been a Spadaro column that was anything less than blindingly optimistic? Maybe we should ask Spuds about Justice?

No, but that is why I only posted the actual quotes from Andrews and not Spadaro's spin on the topic. I thougth he is saying the right things and sounds optomistic about coming back strong next season. I think he is a huge piece of the puzzle for next year. If he comes back, it makes the OL issues that much easier to deal with - not to mention that he alone would probably go a long way to help our short yardage troubles.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Here we go...

Mort reports on ESPN that the Cards will entertain offers for Boldin this offseason. And the gnats are already reportedly interested if plax goes up the river

 

[renesauz]

just thinking out loud here as i heard someone talking tonight about how bad the eagles WRs are and how many passes they drop...First of all, i think this is one of the most useless stats in the game today. Yes, if a WR has TONS of drops, then its a problem. But every WR drops passes. If a WR has a lot of targets, they're going to have a lot of drops. Take a look at this years list (link here):

Rank Player Team Stats1 Braylon Edwards Cle 162 Dwayne Bowe KC 133 Brandon Marshall Den 124 Terrell Owens Dal 105t Calvin Johnson Det 95t Roddy White Atl 97t Laveranues Coles NYJ 87t Marques Colston NO 87t Greg Jennings GB 87t Marcedes Lewis Jac 87t Marshawn Lynch Buf 87t Santana Moss Was 87t Muhsin Muhammad Car 814t Bernard Berrian Min 714t Dallas Clark Ind 714t Rashied Davis Chi 714t Anthony Gonzalez Ind 714t Hines Ward Pit 719t Donald Driver GB 619t Warrick Dunn TB 619t Bobby Engram Sea 619t Jabar Gaffney NE 619t Justin Gage Ten 619t Ted Ginn Jr. Mia 619t Madison Hedgecock NYG 619t Santonio Holmes Pit 619t DeSean Jackson Phi 619t Steven Jackson StL 619t Chad Johnson Cin 619t Zach Miller Oak 619t Randy Moss NE 619t Koren Robinson Sea 619t Robert Royal Buf 619t L.J. Smith Phi 619t Steve Smith Car 619t Amani Toomer NYG 619t Bobby Wade Min 6

This is a virtual Who's Who of Top Flight NFL WRs. Even the worst offender (ahem Braylon) had a horrific year in terms of big drops at crucial moments, but would still be welcomed with open arms into Philly.Sure, some guys jump out of that list with a big "WTF are they doing on there". I mean Koren Robinson, you only started 10 games, how do you make this list? Same for LJ Smith. But, the bottom line is that top tier WRs have lots of targets and make big plays. And, oh yeah, they also have a lot of "drops".Give me a WR who can make huge plays and change an entire game, and I will live with 6, 8, 10, even 12 drops per year. Tell me you wouldnt take Brandon Marhsall and his 12 drops in 15 gamesAnyway, like i said, i'm just thinking out loud here as i go through my post-mortem on the 2008 EaglesETA: 2 guys i didnt see on there happened to be on the field on Sunday...

You're right in that a lot of those guys oare on that list simply because of all the targets they get...BUT...didn't the Eagles lead the NFL in drops as a team? I realize the eagles recievers may have had more targets then many teams, but it does seem that, as a group, they dropped more then their fair share.

 

[jasvic]

How about a drop % similar to a QBs INT %?

 

[stevegamer]

Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Hopefully there will be an extended period of losing seasons, so you you can get over the problems with boredom of the same results. Fire Reid, replace him with Matt Millen as GM, promote Morninwheg to HC - that might work.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

just thinking out loud here as i heard someone talking tonight about how bad the eagles WRs are and how many passes they drop...First of all, i think this is one of the most useless stats in the game today. Yes, if a WR has TONS of drops, then its a problem. But every WR drops passes. If a WR has a lot of targets, they're going to have a lot of drops. Take a look at this years list (link here):

Rank Player Team Stats1 Braylon Edwards Cle 162 Dwayne Bowe KC 133 Brandon Marshall Den 124 Terrell Owens Dal 105t Calvin Johnson Det 95t Roddy White Atl 97t Laveranues Coles NYJ 87t Marques Colston NO 87t Greg Jennings GB 87t Marcedes Lewis Jac 87t Marshawn Lynch Buf 87t Santana Moss Was 87t Muhsin Muhammad Car 814t Bernard Berrian Min 714t Dallas Clark Ind 714t Rashied Davis Chi 714t Anthony Gonzalez Ind 714t Hines Ward Pit 719t Donald Driver GB 619t Warrick Dunn TB 619t Bobby Engram Sea 619t Jabar Gaffney NE 619t Justin Gage Ten 619t Ted Ginn Jr. Mia 619t Madison Hedgecock NYG 619t Santonio Holmes Pit 619t DeSean Jackson Phi 619t Steven Jackson StL 619t Chad Johnson Cin 619t Zach Miller Oak 619t Randy Moss NE 619t Koren Robinson Sea 619t Robert Royal Buf 619t L.J. Smith Phi 619t Steve Smith Car 619t Amani Toomer NYG 619t Bobby Wade Min 6

This is a virtual Who's Who of Top Flight NFL WRs. Even the worst offender (ahem Braylon) had a horrific year in terms of big drops at crucial moments, but would still be welcomed with open arms into Philly.Sure, some guys jump out of that list with a big "WTF are they doing on there". I mean Koren Robinson, you only started 10 games, how do you make this list? Same for LJ Smith. But, the bottom line is that top tier WRs have lots of targets and make big plays. And, oh yeah, they also have a lot of "drops".Give me a WR who can make huge plays and change an entire game, and I will live with 6, 8, 10, even 12 drops per year. Tell me you wouldnt take Brandon Marhsall and his 12 drops in 15 gamesAnyway, like i said, i'm just thinking out loud here as i go through my post-mortem on the 2008 EaglesETA: 2 guys i didnt see on there happened to be on the field on Sunday...

You're right in that a lot of those guys oare on that list simply because of all the targets they get...BUT...didn't the Eagles lead the NFL in drops as a team? I realize the eagles recievers may have had more targets then many teams, but it does seem that, as a group, they dropped more then their fair share.

True. hard to get a complete set of stats on drops...at least i couldnt track it down. That would make sense though given the Eagles tendency to spread the ball around.After thinking about it for a few days, i think it has more to do with the WRs getting separation, the types of throws McNabb is being asked to make, the drops, and yes...McNabbs accuracy. Not trying to bash 5 here, just saying a combination of all those lead to poor and inconsistent overall production. Every WR drops passes, its just the great ones make enough plays to help you forget about the drops.Just seems like something needs to give. I doubt McNabb is going anywhere. I doubt the current crop WRs is going to vastly improve over the off-season. So, either the coaching staff needs to adjust the plays to throws McNabb is more comfortable with OR they need to go out and get a true #1 WR.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Do you think Herremans is a legit LT? I think that would be a big risk given he will play Osi/Tuck and DWare 4 times next year. Runyan is a favorite, but it is much easier to move Andrews or Herremans to RT and live with the results than to have a question mark at LT.I would rather Resign:BDAWKTraCut:Runyanall the others you saidFree Agent:Jordan Gross PanthersDraft:1 - Eben Britton Arizona1 - Wells, Moreno, or GreeneGross is a Utah guy, I could see Reid falling in love with him. He was franchised this year so I can't see them getting away with franchising him again. Britton's strength is pass blocking which could make him a great fit and should be available. Oher dropping like a rock would be ideal but Britton is still worth the first rounder.Picking Harvin would be interesting. Team would have a lot of speed. Don't know if they are thinking WR but if they do I would love to see them take Kenny Britt in the 2nd. 6'4" 215 very physical, sort of a poor man's Crabtree.

Eagles offseasonResign:Brian DawkinsJon RunyanDo not resign/cut:Tra ThomasReggie BrownLito Sheppard (amazing that last draft they reportedly wanted a 1st and had offers of a 2nd and turned them down. Now they get nothing for him)Correll BuckhalterLJ SmithDan Klecko (no position on the team for himFree Agent Signingserrick Ward RBVernon Carey OLHeath Evans FBDraft1st (21) Percy Harvin WR - very versatile athlete that can work outside as a WR and from the backfield to support Westbrook and Ward.1st (28) Alex Mack C - again versatility. Can challenge Jamaal Jackson at C or provide depth at guard2nd (53) Chase Coffman TE - Nice one two punch with Celek.3rd (85) Emanual Cook S - hard hitter that would help on ST's his first year and then challenge Demps as a replacement for Dawkins.EAGLES 2 DEEP after the draftQB McNabb/KolbRB Westbrook/Ward/BookerFB Heath EvansWR CurtisWR Jackson/AvantWR Harvin/BaskettLT Herrimans/ColeLG CareyC Mack/JacksonRG Andrews/Jean GilliesRT Runyon/JusticeTE Coffman/CelekRE T. Cole/HowardRDT Bunkley/LawsLDT PattersonLDE J. Thomas/AbiamiriSLB GocongMLB Bradley/MaysWLB Jordan/GaitherRCB Sheldon BrownLCB Asante Samuel/HansonFS Brian Dawkins/DempsI think the above is a tremendous team and would give the Eagles a good chance to return to the NFC Championship game.SS Mickell/Cook

 

[Crusaderfan]

Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Hopefully there will be an extended period of losing seasons, so you you can get over the problems with boredom of the same results. Fire Reid, replace him with Matt Millen as GM, promote Morninwheg to HC - that might work.

Uh yeah - I guess the guy that is 5'4" should just be happy that he is not a dwarf too? Guess we just all have different definitions of being successful.

 

[Chunky Soup]

 

[renesauz]

The news on JJ has me

I can't help but think that this has a ton to do with the defensive squad's poor perfomance in Arizona. No way Jimmy was up to par that week.

 

[stevegamer]

Frankly, unless some major changes occur for 2009, I'm gonna have a hard time getting excited anymore about the Eagles. As an Eagles fan, I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. The same crap over and over and over. For me, it's getting old.

Hopefully there will be an extended period of losing seasons, so you you can get over the problems with boredom of the same results. Fire Reid, replace him with Matt Millen as GM, promote Morninwheg to HC - that might work.

Uh yeah - I guess the guy that is 5'4" should just be happy that he is not a dwarf too? Guess we just all have different definitions of being successful.

Yes, and while my definiton includes yours, your definition indicates failure at least 31/32 of the time. I know someone who said they couldn't enjoy any Eagles win unless it was a blowout, even a Super Bowl - so for him, winning the Super Bowl itself isn't enough. The guy who is 5'4" should realize he's 5'4" and find that he's got a couple options:-shoe lifts/heels-being happy he's otherwise healthy and looking positively at the rest of life.-radical bone-lengthening surgeryI'm guessing you'd be pro-surgery. You CAN want more without being unhappy with what fortune you have. It's not a common Philadelphia trait.

 

[Domination]

I found this mock on the web. Besides noticing ALOT of o-linemen, I don't think it would be a bad draft.

http://newnfldraft.com/archives/573

21 Eagles get Briiton

21. Philadelphia Eagles: Eben Britton, OT, AZ

The Eagles get a very under rated OT here from a very good college program. They could potentially lose both of their OT’s in the offseason so they need some Tackles for the 2009 NFL Season. Britton has built his stock recently because of the OT’s going back to school. He is now rated as a first round pick in this 2009 NFL Mock Draft.

28. Eagles (Carolina): Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Ok. St.

The Eagles get the best all around Tight End in the 2009 NFL Draft. He has a good blend of both catching the ball and making the blocks. I don’t think he will have the best 40 time in the 2009 NFL Draft Combine but I think he is the best TE in this 2009 NFL Mock Draft.

53. Philadelphia Eagles: Fenuki Tupuo, OT, OR

I know they already took 1 OT but Tupuo is a great talent this late in the 2009 NFL Draft. Also they may need 2 tackles for the 2009 NFL Season anyway.

85. Philadelphia Eagles: P.J. Hill, RB, Wisconsin

The Eagles get exactly what they need here for the 2009 NFL Season. They need a short Yardage back and P.J. Hill is the bruiser that they would love to have.

127. Philadelphia Eagles: Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon

133. Eagles (Browns) Brandon Walker, G, OU

159. PHI Eagles: Joel Bell, OT, Furman

 

[JAA]

Thoughts on Sproles in Free Agency? Not as an everydown back, but a complimentatry back and KR. Would be a huge improvement over the Booker experiment.

 

[JayK]

I'm sorry, but before we move onto the "let's look to next year and what we do to have a good team" I have to say that DONOVAN MCNABB IS THE BIGGEST CHOKE ARTIST IN HISTORY.

OK, that was an excaggeration cause I'm STILL pissed at his performance in the championship game. But but his middle name should still be CHOKE. And I'm not excusing Andy Reid and his poor choices/playcalling/stubbornness, but McNabb is a product of Reid's system. On any other team he's a middle of the road QB, at best.

And I know what all you McNabb fans are gonna say... he had over 300 yards and 3 TDs, how could you say that? Well......

Here we are in a game versus a team they beat with a score in the 40's (vs the 20's that the Cardinals scored) in the regular season. And the score in the chamionship game SHOULD have been similar. BUT

- while Warner and Fitzgerald were proving why THEY both should be mentioned among the top at their position

- when his team needed him to come through to keep them in the game early on, and then at the end when they needed hom to respond to Warner and the Cardinals and take back the lead

- at the point in the game when the great quarterbacks come through and PROVE why they are considered great

Donovan Mcabb was busy throwing one TERRIBLE pass after another... at the receivers feet, 4 feet over his head, behind him... anyplace but where the ball was suppossed to be thrown. And for the record, the definition of an ACCEPTIBLE pass from an NFL QB is not "any ball within 3 yards of the intended receiver."

Donovan McNabb CAN NOT win the big games and if Philly is EVER going to win a Superbowl they have GOT to find themselves a QB who can perform when the pressure is one.

 

[phillyfan72]

I'm sorry, but before we move onto the "let's look to next year and what we do to have a good team" I have to say that DONOVAN MCNABB IS THE BIGGEST CHOKE ARTIST IN HISTORY.

OK, that was an excaggeration cause I'm STILL pissed at his performance in the championship game. But but his middle name should still be CHOKE. And I'm not excusing Andy Reid and his poor choices/playcalling/stubbornness, but McNabb is a product of Reid's system. On any other team he's a middle of the road QB, at best.

And I know what all you McNabb fans are gonna say... he had over 300 yards and 3 TDs, how could you say that? Well......

Here we are in a game versus a team they beat with a score in the 40's (vs the 20's that the Cardinals scored) in the regular season. And the score in the chamionship game SHOULD have been similar. BUT

- while Warner and Fitzgerald were proving why THEY both should be mentioned among the top at their position

- when his team needed him to come through to keep them in the game early on, and then at the end when they needed hom to respond to Warner and the Cardinals and take back the lead

- at the point in the game when the great quarterbacks come through and PROVE why they are considered great

Donovan Mcabb was busy throwing one TERRIBLE pass after another... at the receivers feet, 4 feet over his head, behind him... anyplace but where the ball was suppossed to be thrown. And for the record, the definition of an ACCEPTIBLE pass from an NFL QB is not "any ball within 3 yards of the intended receiver."

Donovan McNabb CAN NOT win the big games and if Philly is EVER going to win a Superbowl they have GOT to find themselves a QB who can perform when the pressure is one.

Dude, save the schtick for somewhere else. We already know there are plenty of McNabb haters, but to put the total blame of the loss to AZ is just plain stupid. Yes, he didn't have a great game, but he put them in a position to win at the end. The defense got manhandled early and then they let the Cardinals march down the field for the go ahead score.Look at the title of this thread - 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread.... time to move on.

 

[JayK]

I'm sorry, but before we move onto the "let's look to next year and what we do to have a good team" I have to say that DONOVAN MCNABB IS THE BIGGEST CHOKE ARTIST IN HISTORY.

OK, that was an excaggeration cause I'm STILL pissed at his performance in the championship game. But but his middle name should still be CHOKE. And I'm not excusing Andy Reid and his poor choices/playcalling/stubbornness, but McNabb is a product of Reid's system. On any other team he's a middle of the road QB, at best.

And I know what all you McNabb fans are gonna say... he had over 300 yards and 3 TDs, how could you say that? Well......

Here we are in a game versus a team they beat with a score in the 40's (vs the 20's that the Cardinals scored) in the regular season. And the score in the chamionship game SHOULD have been similar. BUT

- while Warner and Fitzgerald were proving why THEY both should be mentioned among the top at their position

- when his team needed him to come through to keep them in the game early on, and then at the end when they needed hom to respond to Warner and the Cardinals and take back the lead

- at the point in the game when the great quarterbacks come through and PROVE why they are considered great

Donovan Mcabb was busy throwing one TERRIBLE pass after another... at the receivers feet, 4 feet over his head, behind him... anyplace but where the ball was suppossed to be thrown. And for the record, the definition of an ACCEPTIBLE pass from an NFL QB is not "any ball within 3 yards of the intended receiver."

Donovan McNabb CAN NOT win the big games and if Philly is EVER going to win a Superbowl they have GOT to find themselves a QB who can perform when the pressure is one.

Dude, save the schtick for somewhere else. We already know there are plenty of McNabb haters, but to put the total blame of the loss to AZ is just plain stupid. Yes, he didn't have a great game, but he put them in a position to win at the end. The defense got manhandled early and then they let the Cardinals march down the field for the go ahead score.Look at the title of this thread - 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread.... time to move on.

Well sorry to disagree with you, but I think this IS a comment for next year and that loss WAS entirely Donovan's fault... his awful performance is really the only difference from the earlier easy win. Sure he's better than Kolb (right now) but he's a product of the system; take away the excessive number of easy "West Coast" passes and yardage he makes and you're left with a mediocre QB who shouldn't be starting on a championship calibre team.

He didn't "put them in a position to win" at the end of the game, he performed well when the game was seemingly out of reach and there was no longer any pressure on him. Sure there were some other problems, but the Championship Game should/would have ended up EXACTLY the same as the regular season game if Donovan hadn't so badly missed so many crucial passes early on (AT LEAST 2 touchdowns). If he hits just a few of those passes in the first half we go into halftime with the score close or tied then blow Arizona out in the 2nd half; the score ends up pretty much the same as the regular season win. Even still everyone knew Arizona was gonna get their points, as hot as Warner/Fitz had been; to beat them we needed to outscore them. And then at the end... 3 terrible passes in a row? The Curtis pass coulda been caught, but those other three? Can you say Choke?

As I said, this IS a comment for next year, because what I'm saying is that NOW is the time to dump him, while he still has value. Handling the pressure is one of the crucial things a Championship QB has to be able to do, and McNabb has proven consistently that he can't handle the Big Game pressure. So they need to dump him NOW and pick up a journeyman QB for next year - someone who can fill in (like Garcia from a few years back) until they develop a young QB who's a long term solution.

 

[stevegamer]

Thoughts on Sproles in Free Agency? Not as an everydown back, but a complimentatry back and KR. Would be a huge improvement over the Booker experiment.

A ridiculously good idea. I've been saying that for a while - just posted it in the Sproles thread - nobody else mentioned the Eagles. Fits the offense perfectly, allows them to split Westy out wide a bit more to threaten things differently.While everyone else is looking for thunder to go with lightning you get some mroe lightning.

 

[JayK]

Thoughts on Sproles in Free Agency? Not as an everydown back, but a complimentatry back and KR. Would be a huge improvement over the Booker experiment.

A ridiculously good idea. I've been saying that for a while - just posted it in the Sproles thread - nobody else mentioned the Eagles. Fits the offense perfectly, allows them to split Westy out wide a bit more to threaten things differently.While everyone else is looking for thunder to go with lightning you get some mroe lightning.

Well that makes sense except... what about the knee injury I read about on here regarding Westbrook? How bad is that? If his knee is bad enough that he misses substantial time, can Sproles be the every down guy for 6 games? Or a season? I kno whe looked REALLY imprseeive in SD, but...

 

[renesauz]

As I said, this IS a comment for next year, because what I'm saying is that NOW is the time to dump him, while he still has value. Handling the pressure is one of the crucial things a Championship QB has to be able to do, and McNabb has proven consistently that he can't handle the Big Game pressure. So they need to dump him NOW and pick up a journeyman QB for next year - someone who can fill in (like Garcia from a few years back) until they develop a young QB who's a long term solution.

The bolded part is where I'm having a REALLY BIG issue with the McNabb bashers. Why? Because it's patently false. McNabb has played in DOZENS of "big games", but the bashers only remember the big game losses.Just this year, He played in at least 7 big games.

-Ariz (BIG W)

-At Wash (L)

-At NYG (W)

-Dallas (BIG W)

-At Minn (W)

-At NYG (W)

-At Ariz (L)

Under what criteria is a 5 - 2 record in big games bad???????

Build your argument with real facts instead of hand picking only the last game of any season...a game in which only ONE playoff team ever wins.

 

[Slider]

As I said, this IS a comment for next year, because what I'm saying is that NOW is the time to dump him, while he still has value. Handling the pressure is one of the crucial things a Championship QB has to be able to do, and McNabb has proven consistently that he can't handle the Big Game pressure. So they need to dump him NOW and pick up a journeyman QB for next year - someone who can fill in (like Garcia from a few years back) until they develop a young QB who's a long term solution.

The bolded part is where I'm having a REALLY BIG issue with the McNabb bashers. Why? Because it's patently false. McNabb has played in DOZENS of "big games", but the bashers only remember the big game losses.Just this year, He played in at least 7 big games.

-Ariz (BIG W)

-At Wash (L)

-At NYG (W)

-Dallas (BIG W)

-At Minn (W)

-At NYG (W)

-At Ariz (L)

Under what criteria is a 5 - 2 record in big games bad???????

Build your argument with real facts instead of hand picking only the last game of any season...a game in which only ONE playoff team ever wins.

Good thing you conveniently started where you did. The Cincy, NYG and Baltimore games before that would have really skewed your argument. How many of those games did the D absolutely dominate? Sure, he played well in some of those. He needs to play well in ALL of them or you stop playing. He probably left 30 points on the field in Arizona. We should be playing today. We're not. he choked. If he would have done ANYTHING in the Washington, Cincy or Baltimore game maybe we would have been playing at home.

 

[JayK]

As I said, this IS a comment for next year, because what I'm saying is that NOW is the time to dump him, while he still has value. Handling the pressure is one of the crucial things a Championship QB has to be able to do, and McNabb has proven consistently that he can't handle the Big Game pressure. So they need to dump him NOW and pick up a journeyman QB for next year - someone who can fill in (like Garcia from a few years back) until they develop a young QB who's a long term solution.

The bolded part is where I'm having a REALLY BIG issue with the McNabb bashers. Why? Because it's patently false. McNabb has played in DOZENS of "big games", but the bashers only remember the big game losses.Just this year, He played in at least 7 big games.

-Ariz (BIG W)

-At Wash (L)

-At NYG (W)

-Dallas (BIG W)

-At Minn (W)

-At NYG (W)

-At Ariz (L)

Under what criteria is a 5 - 2 record in big games bad???????

Build your argument with real facts instead of hand picking only the last game of any season...a game in which only ONE playoff team ever wins.

Excuse me? How do you figure ANY of those first 4 are "big games?" A big game, to me, is one were the pressure on the players is much higher because its at the end of the season and they are aware it has a direct bearing on making, or winning in, the playoffs. Since the Eagles came from out of no where, and even on the last day of the season were such a huge long shot to make the playoffs that not many peope gave them a serious shot at making it, you can't call any of those first four games "big." You wanna know why I think Donovan has proved he can't handle the pressure? In that last game, against a team he should have taken apart, he played terribly at every point when the game was in question. The ONLY time he played well was when they were so far behind that many had given up hope (and thus... no pressure).

Admittedly though, I am holding him to the standard of "greatness." If he were on a running team (like Pittsburgh was in Big Ben's last trip to the Super Bowl), I wouldn't care as much. But if we are gonna win it all, throwing as much as we do, we have to have a QB who plays his BEST game when the most is on the line... not an average game, and certainly not (like against ARI) one of his worst.

Let me ask you this question. At this stage in his career, if he doesn't have the make-up to get us to, and win, the big game (due partially to our throwing the ball so much that only a great QB will do) what's the point of keeping him?

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

i just wanted to stop in and make it clear that jayK is not a BK alias

Though i have to say this...its very interesting how a QB had to lead his team on a final drive to win the SB...again. Even 2 stud WRs couldnt save the Cards. It still came down to a QB taking charge and making play after play in the final drive. LET ME BE CLEAR, McNabb is still the Eagles best option and i still say keep him. I just couldnt help but noticing how huge Ben played in that last drive. ok, back to '09 since i promised i wouldnt go down that road again (at least until the next craptacular choke-fest)

Anyway, i would LOVE to see Sproles in an Eagles Uni next year. I just wouldnt overpay for a specialty RB and i think he is going to get true RB1 money this year from someone. So, i dont see it happening.

 

[JAA]

My Eagles brothers ... JimmyJ and the Eagles D lost the NFCCG. FWIW, Im a McNabb basher.

 

[Zoomanji]

i just wanted to stop in and make it clear that jayK is not a BK alias

and

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Boldin says relationship with Arizona is irreparable (LINK).

Please please please please...

 

[stevegamer]

Thoughts on Sproles in Free Agency? Not as an everydown back, but a complimentatry back and KR. Would be a huge improvement over the Booker experiment.

A ridiculously good idea. I've been saying that for a while - just posted it in the Sproles thread - nobody else mentioned the Eagles. Fits the offense perfectly, allows them to split Westy out wide a bit more to threaten things differently.While everyone else is looking for thunder to go with lightning you get some mroe lightning.

Well that makes sense except... what about the knee injury I read about on here regarding Westbrook? How bad is that? If his knee is bad enough that he misses substantial time, can Sproles be the every down guy for 6 games? Or a season? I kno whe looked REALLY imprseeive in SD, but...

Who else are you going to get that would replace Westbrook as well as he would?

 

[stevegamer]

As I said, this IS a comment for next year, because what I'm saying is that NOW is the time to dump him, while he still has value. Handling the pressure is one of the crucial things a Championship QB has to be able to do, and McNabb has proven consistently that he can't handle the Big Game pressure. So they need to dump him NOW and pick up a journeyman QB for next year - someone who can fill in (like Garcia from a few years back) until they develop a young QB who's a long term solution.

The bolded part is where I'm having a REALLY BIG issue with the McNabb bashers. Why? Because it's patently false. McNabb has played in DOZENS of "big games", but the bashers only remember the big game losses.Just this year, He played in at least 7 big games.

-Ariz (BIG W)

-At Wash (L)

-At NYG (W)

-Dallas (BIG W)

-At Minn (W)

-At NYG (W)

-At Ariz (L)

Under what criteria is a 5 - 2 record in big games bad???????

Build your argument with real facts instead of hand picking only the last game of any season...a game in which only ONE playoff team ever wins.

Excuse me? How do you figure ANY of those first 4 are "big games?" A big game, to me, is one were the pressure on the players is much higher because its at the end of the season and they are aware it has a direct bearing on making, or winning in, the playoffs. Since the Eagles came from out of no where, and even on the last day of the season were such a huge long shot to make the playoffs that not many peope gave them a serious shot at making it, you can't call any of those first four games "big."

I think the Giants & Dallas games were big games. They HAD to beat Dallas to make the playoffs, same with the Giants in-season. And they are against rivals. So I'd say they were big wins. I'm not sure how they aren't.By your logic it seems that games are only big when you face elimination from winning the Super Bowl - so any game that if you lose, you become mathematically eliminated is an elimination game as well.

 

[phillyfan72]

From Rotoworld:

ESPN's John Clayton calls the Eagles and the Giants the front-runners to acquire Anquan Boldin via offseason trade.

Philadelphia is reportedly the current favorite. Clayton believes Boldin's trade demand will be met, which would be big news for Steve Breaston dynasty owners. The compensation is expected to be a first- and third-round pick. Philly has two first-rounders (Nos. 21, 28). New York drafts 29th overall. Feb. 10 - 7:08 pm et

Boldin would be a perfect fit for the Eagles, and teaming him up with DJax and White Lightning would give the Eagles their best WR group in years. Hopefully this comes to fruition.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm going to assume we can't land Gross; he's too young and too valuable to bet on leaving Carolina, and if he did, we would only be one of a bunch of teams that would have interest.

With that in mind, this is what I hope to see happen:

Re-sign Tra to a 2-year deal [3 if he demands it]

Prepare Andrews to move to RT from jump street

Consider re-signing Runyan to an incentive deal AFTER you are comfortable with progress from his surgery

I've seen a few folks mention OG if we move Andrews outside, I don't see that as a need. Herremans, Gilles and McGlynn should more than hold their own.

At WR, obviously getting Boldin would be key. I don't want them to sign Housh [nor do i think they will], but Boldin is another matter entirely.

We really need to bolster the RB situation and Michael Bush isn't the answer IMHO. Not saying he can't come in and help, but I would love for them to really focus on the position in the draft.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I'm going to assume we can't land Gross; he's too young and too valuable to bet on leaving Carolina, and if he did, we would only be one of a bunch of teams that would have interest.With that in mind, this is what I hope to see happen:Re-sign Tra to a 2-year deal [3 if he demands it]Prepare Andrews to move to RT from jump streetConsider re-signing Runyan to an incentive deal AFTER you are comfortable with progress from his surgeryI've seen a few folks mention OG if we move Andrews outside, I don't see that as a need. Herremans, Gilles and McGlynn should more than hold their own.At WR, obviously getting Boldin would be key. I don't want them to sign Housh [nor do i think they will], but Boldin is another matter entirely. We really need to bolster the RB situation and Michael Bush isn't the answer IMHO. Not saying he can't come in and help, but I would love for them to really focus on the position in the draft.

RE: the RB situation, I think whoever the Gnats cast away is the answer. Either Jacobs or Ward. I would rather not overpay for Jacobs, but it would be nice to have a real power RB for once.Getting Boldin is going to cost A LOT. Seems like the Cards are playing their hand pretty well in saying they have no plans to trade him. The Roy Williams deal last year is really going to mess up any offers for Boldin. The Cowgirls overpaid for him, but set the bar high for any WR trades this offseason.i just hope the FO does something...anything this year. Especially after the "do something different" speech from them after the NFCC game.