No you not the only one who believes that. In my opinion, I believe that Celek earned the chance to start after his performance in the NFC championship game. I think he has the potential to turn into a Chad Lewis type player. At some point you have to give a young player a chance.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
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I agree.....I am not interested in Gonzo. Celek has great receiving skills and only needs to get better at blocking. He has stated publicly that he intends to work on his blocking skills during mini-camps and training camp as he recognizes this is a skill he is lacking in.I'd rather give a nice fat contract to Boldin.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Tony Gonzalez >No you not the only one who believes that. In my opinion, I believe that Celek earned the chance to start after his performance in the NFC championship game. I think he has the potential to turn into a Chad Lewis type player. At some point you have to give a young player a chance.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
infinity) Chad Lewis That's like saying you wouldn't trade for Tom Brady because at some point you have to give Kolb a chance. If you have to opportunity to land, what could be the best TE in the game today, you do it if the price is right.
stp-d
Footballguy
But a 3rd is too much for a guy in the waining years of his career, regardless of how good he is. We had one of the best Left Tackle's in the game with Tra Tomas and we let him move on without any compensation, if we had moved him last year, what would we have gotten for a 33 yr old Pro-Bowler? That's what the Chiefs should be asking themselves... If they can get a 4th rounder for Gonzalez, they should take it.. Hopefully we can get him for one of our many 5th's...Tony Gonzalez >No you not the only one who believes that. In my opinion, I believe that Celek earned the chance to start after his performance in the NFC championship game. I think he has the potential to turn into a Chad Lewis type player. At some point you have to give a young player a chance.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
Nice analogy… for the record if Brady was offered for Kolb I would take it in a heart beat. Turn off Madden and back to reality. Even though Lewis was not a Hall of Fame player, he still went to multiple pro bowls. I’d rather have Lewis production for six years then Gonzalez for two. Celek reminds me of Lewis because, while not physically imposing, he seems to be good at finding a hole in the defense. I’d like to see what he is capable of doing if he was a starter. I realize that not everyone agrees with my opinion and I’m fine with that.Tony Gonzalez >No you not the only one who believes that. In my opinion, I believe that Celek earned the chance to start after his performance in the NFC championship game. I think he has the potential to turn into a Chad Lewis type player. At some point you have to give a young player a chance.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
Domination
Footballguy
While I wouldn't have a problem with this, I believe you would get move value out of Gonzo and #21, then you would out of Boldin. I think that the Gonzo deal makes a lot more sense for the Eagles if they are trying win in the next 2 years, which in my opinion is about how long I think that their window will be open.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
But you're not getting rid of Celek by getting Gonzalez. If anything, you're giving the guy a mentor, and one of the best in the game.Nice analogy… for the record if Brady was offered for Kolb I would take it in a heart beat. Turn off Madden and back to reality. Even though Lewis was not a Hall of Fame player, he still went to multiple pro bowls. I’d rather have Lewis production for six years then Gonzalez for two. Celek reminds me of Lewis because, while not physically imposing, he seems to be good at finding a hole in the defense. I’d like to see what he is capable of doing if he was a starter. I realize that not everyone agrees with my opinion and I’m fine with that.Tony Gonzalez >No you not the only one who believes that. In my opinion, I believe that Celek earned the chance to start after his performance in the NFC championship game. I think he has the potential to turn into a Chad Lewis type player. At some point you have to give a young player a chance.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
I see what you mean but you also have to factor in the draft pick. I’d still like to see the Eagles draft a TE between rounds two and four. That would hedge a bet (long term) on Celek, possibly open up some double TE sets, and get another contributor on special teams. Also, you also have to wonder if Pioli and company are “selling high” on Gonzalez. If you watch some the games, it is very apparent that Thigpen was forcing the ball to Gonzalez. Hence, his numbers might be a tad inflated. In addition, we know that a player’s production can drop off a cliff at any point around his age. If I thought Gonzalez was still an elite TE, then I’d be all for the trade but I don’t think he is the same player he was a few years ago. Thus, I’d prefer to give Celek a shot (I think he played well enough to earn a chance to start) and draft a TE then trade for Gonzalez.But you're not getting rid of Celek by getting Gonzalez. If anything, you're giving the guy a mentor, and one of the best in the game.Nice analogy… for the record if Brady was offered for Kolb I would take it in a heart beat. Turn off Madden and back to reality. Even though Lewis was not a Hall of Fame player, he still went to multiple pro bowls. I’d rather have Lewis production for six years then Gonzalez for two. Celek reminds me of Lewis because, while not physically imposing, he seems to be good at finding a hole in the defense. I’d like to see what he is capable of doing if he was a starter. I realize that not everyone agrees with my opinion and I’m fine with that.Tony Gonzalez >No you not the only one who believes that. In my opinion, I believe that Celek earned the chance to start after his performance in the NFC championship game. I think he has the potential to turn into a Chad Lewis type player. At some point you have to give a young player a chance.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
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CiscoKid
Footballguy
I agree with this. I don't have a problem with getting Gonzo, but I also think a 3rd is too much for a player his age. I also don't think he's the best TE in the league anymore either. I'd be on board with doing it for the 5th rounder, but unfortunately I don't think that will happen.But a 3rd is too much for a guy in the waining years of his career, regardless of how good he is. We had one of the best Left Tackle's in the game with Tra Tomas and we let him move on without any compensation, if we had moved him last year, what would we have gotten for a 33 yr old Pro-Bowler? That's what the Chiefs should be asking themselves... If they can get a 4th rounder for Gonzalez, they should take it.. Hopefully we can get him for one of our many 5th's...Tony Gonzalez >No you not the only one who believes that. In my opinion, I believe that Celek earned the chance to start after his performance in the NFC championship game. I think he has the potential to turn into a Chad Lewis type player. At some point you have to give a young player a chance.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
zadok
Footballguy
DH, can you debunk this? Please??
PFT:
Source: Eagles Shopping Shawn Andrews
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 12:18 p.m.
OK, now this is getting weird.
Less than two months after signing the brother of guard Shawn Andrews to a big-money free-agent deal and less than a week after trading for his college roommate at Arkansas (Jason Peters) and signing Peters to a big-money deal, the Philadelphia Eagles are dangling Shawn Andrews.
A league source tells us that the Eagles have contacted at least one team about moving the enigmatic Pro Bowl guard.
Shawn Andrews missed most if not all of training camp last year, due to clinical depression. Then, he suffered a back injury in the second week of the season and never returned.
The thinking was that the arrival of Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters would have helped get Shawn Andrews rejuvenated. Recently, it has been speculated that Shawn Andrews now isn’t happy with his own contract, in light of the monster deals paid to his brother and his friend.
Andrews is signed through 2015 at base salaries of $750,000 (2009), $2 million (2010), $2.5 million (2011), $2.75 million (2012), $3.75 million (2013), $5.25 million (2014), and $6.25 million (2015).
PFT:
Source: Eagles Shopping Shawn Andrews
Posted by Mike Florio on April 23, 2009, 12:18 p.m.
OK, now this is getting weird.
Less than two months after signing the brother of guard Shawn Andrews to a big-money free-agent deal and less than a week after trading for his college roommate at Arkansas (Jason Peters) and signing Peters to a big-money deal, the Philadelphia Eagles are dangling Shawn Andrews.
A league source tells us that the Eagles have contacted at least one team about moving the enigmatic Pro Bowl guard.
Shawn Andrews missed most if not all of training camp last year, due to clinical depression. Then, he suffered a back injury in the second week of the season and never returned.
The thinking was that the arrival of Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters would have helped get Shawn Andrews rejuvenated. Recently, it has been speculated that Shawn Andrews now isn’t happy with his own contract, in light of the monster deals paid to his brother and his friend.
Andrews is signed through 2015 at base salaries of $750,000 (2009), $2 million (2010), $2.5 million (2011), $2.75 million (2012), $3.75 million (2013), $5.25 million (2014), and $6.25 million (2015).
ThePassion
Footballguy
While I wouldn't have a problem with this, I believe you would get move value out of Gonzo and #21, then you would out of Boldin. I think that the Gonzo deal makes a lot more sense for the Eagles if they are trying win in the next 2 years, which in my opinion is about how long I think that their window will be open.I agree.....I am not interested in Gonzo. Celek has great receiving skills and only needs to get better at blocking. He has stated publicly that he intends to work on his blocking skills during mini-camps and training camp as he recognizes this is a skill he is lacking in.I'd rather give a nice fat contract to Boldin.Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.
Amen... Moreno and Gonzo > Boldinphillyphan07
Footballguy
It just doesnt make sense. What would they even get back for him considering his current issues? And its not like they'd be unloading salary. Now the reverse would make more sense. Maybe another team contacted the eagles about Shawn Andrews to see if they could buy low and somehow this rumor came out of it...
vinwinephans
Footballguy
I was listening to Mike Missanelli on 950 ESPN in Philly yesterday. I believe it was Sal Paolantonio who came on and reported that he believed the Eagles were trying to pull off a scenario of trades where the Eagles landed Moreno, Boldin and Gonzo.
Mike then proceeded to tell Sal how wet he was getting just thinking about that and it got kind of awkward.
It's not in the radio station's list of podcast.
Did anyone else hear this - confirm what I heard?
As for Shawn Andrews, if his issue last year is/was what we all think it to be, how can this guy, in his right mind, think/feel he is underpaid. Part of me now wonders if last year was a contract holdout.
Mike then proceeded to tell Sal how wet he was getting just thinking about that and it got kind of awkward.
It's not in the radio station's list of podcast.
Did anyone else hear this - confirm what I heard?
As for Shawn Andrews, if his issue last year is/was what we all think it to be, how can this guy, in his right mind, think/feel he is underpaid. Part of me now wonders if last year was a contract holdout.
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CentralPA
Footballguy
I think my head would explode
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
vinwinephans
Footballguy
Exactly what Mike was saying...
ThePassion
Footballguy
Oh my god... I am seated at work and with that scenario in my mind I might not be getting up for a few minutes. What jersey would you buy? LOL
vinwinephans
Footballguy
I know - crazy to think this could actually happen, but Sal actually played out how the trades would need to go for the Eagles to land them all.Essentially, if I recall correctly, it was based on the premise that there is no market for Boldin for a #1 and that the Eagles had indeed emerged as a dark horse for Gonzo.
I really wish they had podcasted that sequence - wanted to go back and listen to it over again.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I'd love to hear how the stars would need to algin for this to happen.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I think Sal might be a little off on the WR the Eagles might get.
I'm going to be vague here, since a Eagles player is involved, not just picks. There is discussion with the Browns that might lead to the Eagles getting Edwards and a pick for a Eagles player and a pick. I can't say anymore than that, but if the Eagles pull it off it'll make the trade they made last year (and that deal was robbery) look tame in comparison.
I have no idea how close the deal is to being done, but be in front of your TV when the Browns pick, because that'll tell you if the deal was done.
I'm going to be vague here, since a Eagles player is involved, not just picks. There is discussion with the Browns that might lead to the Eagles getting Edwards and a pick for a Eagles player and a pick. I can't say anymore than that, but if the Eagles pull it off it'll make the trade they made last year (and that deal was robbery) look tame in comparison.
I have no idea how close the deal is to being done, but be in front of your TV when the Browns pick, because that'll tell you if the deal was done.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
That's why I posted it - to see if someone else heard it because Sal did go through the progressions.I believe the thought was the Eagles believe strongly Moreno will be there at 21, it would not take a 1st to get Boldin (so a 2nd and something else...) and a 3rd would net Gonzo.This is what I recall -could be mistaken or leaving out tidbits I don't remember.What I remember taking out of the exchange was that Sal thought it was a 'real' possibility, not a total pipe dream scenario, but a pipe dream scenario with some legs.
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Zoo York
unckeyherb
Footballguy
oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god
zadok
Footballguy
You mean pick #5???Or do you mean who the Browns take at #5 (Crab) will reveal if they are going through with it?Gotta be Reggie Brown from our side doesn't it... And are you lending credence to the other aspects of the Sal Pal scenario by not mentioning them?
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'm not sure how close they are with Gonzo.They offered a 3rd. That's all I know.As for the 5 pick, I probably said more than I should already.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
I'm starting to get really really excited for draft day - just in time for an early Flyers exit from the play-offs too!
Jason Wood
Zoo York
DH...if we get someone at 5 I would be BAFFLED!
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zadok
Footballguy
So coy...C'mon boys, let's try to read between the lines! Any comment on the Shawn Andrews thing?I'm not sure how close they are with Gonzo.They offered a 3rd. That's all I know.As for the 5 pick, I probably said more than I should already.And are you lending credence to the other aspects of the Sal Pal scenario by not mentioning them?
vinwinephans
Footballguy
That's what I'm thinking... Andrews and a pick for Edwards and pick if Crab goes at 5? For it to be obscene - do we get Clev's 1st next year (to make last year's trade look tame?)...So coy...C'mon boys, let's try to read between the lines! Any comment on the Shawn Andrews thing?I'm not sure how close they are with Gonzo.They offered a 3rd. That's all I know.As for the 5 pick, I probably said more than I should already.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I don't mean to be coy, I really don't. I was asked to never reveal players in trade talks that are under contract to the Eagles. Obviously I did that alot last year with Lito, but everyone knew he was gone....So coy...C'mon boys, let's try to read between the lines! Any comment on the Shawn Andrews thing?I'm not sure how close they are with Gonzo.They offered a 3rd. That's all I know.As for the 5 pick, I probably said more than I should already.
bighandsray
Footballguy
Who could the Eagles be targeting at #5? This really suprises me with the recent trade for J Peters. I could have seen them going up for a tackle but not now. Unless they are looking to get #5, trade it to Washington (M Sanchez) for a ransome, then take Moreno at Washingtons pick and still get Braylon. Wow! I like the way that sounds. But who could they be giving up? Andrews and Sheldon?
stevegamer
Footballguy
Let's not try and yank more info out of DH - we don't want him cut off at the source.
Complete speculation:
I suspect we may see the Browns take Crabtree - signaling the deal is good to go. They then deal the Eagles Edwards for a package of picks, including a second and a player who is unnamed, and we'd get a pick of some sort back.
That would leave the #21 for Moreno, and the 3rd for Gonzo.
Complete speculation:
I suspect we may see the Browns take Crabtree - signaling the deal is good to go. They then deal the Eagles Edwards for a package of picks, including a second and a player who is unnamed, and we'd get a pick of some sort back.
That would leave the #21 for Moreno, and the 3rd for Gonzo.
zadok
Footballguy
Forget Gonzo..
Sources: Chiefs agree to deal Gonzalez to Falconsby Jay Glazer
Updated: April 23, 2009, 1:24 PM EST 5 comments Tony Gonzalez is finally getting his wish.
The Chiefs have agreed to trade the perennial Pro Bowl tight end to the Atlanta Falcons for a second-round pick in the 2010 draft, FOXSports.com has learned.
Gonzalez has been the symbol of the Chiefs offense for the past 12 seasons, making 10 consecutive Pro Bowls and six All-Pro teams. Kansas City drafted him with the 13th overall pick in 1997.
Sources: Chiefs agree to deal Gonzalez to Falconsby Jay Glazer
Updated: April 23, 2009, 1:24 PM EST 5 comments Tony Gonzalez is finally getting his wish.
The Chiefs have agreed to trade the perennial Pro Bowl tight end to the Atlanta Falcons for a second-round pick in the 2010 draft, FOXSports.com has learned.
Gonzalez has been the symbol of the Chiefs offense for the past 12 seasons, making 10 consecutive Pro Bowls and six All-Pro teams. Kansas City drafted him with the 13th overall pick in 1997.
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Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I am praying to the football Gods that we bring in Edwards. Please let this deal happen!
CentralPA
Footballguy
that would help me forget about Gonzo very quickly. If they could pull that off and still manage to keep the 21st overall i'd be very impressed.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
Re: Gonzo - 
Here's hoping some of the rest falls into place.
Here's hoping some of the rest falls into place.
phillyfan72
Footballguy
DH is a luxury that we all love to have, we'll know the info when we need to. That being said, if we land Edwards and Moreno on Saturday:
Domination
Footballguy
DH,Just the fact that we get to imagine the possibilities of this deal is great. So if we are guessing, I am going with...Browns give B Edwards & #5Eagles give S Brown, R Brown, & #21
Domination
Footballguy
I think that the one thing that everyone keeps talking about, that DH has never even implied, is taking Moreno at #21. I think that is a very unlikely thing to happen, and that they will take a RB later in the draft. Its funny that everyone loves everything else that he has been saying, but still trying to harp on Moreno even though he has said more than once that he did not think we would take a RB in the 1st. If we land Braylon it would be great, but I fully expect them to draft a RB in a later round.DH is a luxury that we all love to have, we'll know the info when we need to. That being said, if we land Edwards and Moreno on Saturday:
I agree. If we did somehow get #5 and stay there, I see Orakpo coming our way.I think that the one thing that everyone keeps talking about, that DH has never even implied, is taking Moreno at #21. I think that is a very unlikely thing to happen, and that they will take a RB later in the draft. Its funny that everyone loves everything else that he has been saying, but still trying to harp on Moreno even though he has said more than once that he did not think we would take a RB in the 1st. If we land Braylon it would be great, but I fully expect them to draft a RB in a later round.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
What player and picks do you think the Browns would want to give up Braylon Edwards AND the #5. I would think the 21st would definitely be going back, maybe a second or third and I have no idea on the player.I agree. If we did somehow get #5 and stay there, I see Orakpo coming our way.I think that the one thing that everyone keeps talking about, that DH has never even implied, is taking Moreno at #21. I think that is a very unlikely thing to happen, and that they will take a RB later in the draft. Its funny that everyone loves everything else that he has been saying, but still trying to harp on Moreno even though he has said more than once that he did not think we would take a RB in the 1st. If we land Braylon it would be great, but I fully expect them to draft a RB in a later round.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Also, I think the Eagle could very well give Buckhalters carries/plays to Weaver.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
This seems like it would be an extremely lopsided trade in favor of the Eagles. Could the Browns be this dumb (or desperate)?
SouthJersey
Footballguy
Anyone know what the Browns' cap situation is like? They might make this move if they're strapped for cash. Though I still find it hard to believe they'd agree to such robbery.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Fred (can I call you FredEx?), I agree here. Pipe-dream for sure.
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JAA
Footballguy
Cant be Andrews going to Cle. We just traded for his brother and I dont think he contract is cap friendly. Also dont think its 2 Eagles since DH said 'player', not 'players'.
I think what DH is saying is that Cle will be picking Crabtree and deal us Edwards for Reggie Brown and something like a 4th or 5th. This would make the most sense.
Im not clear though on his comments regarding making last years trade look tame. That makes me thing we are getting a 1st somehow. Which would remove Reggie Brown and insert Sheldon Brown. Is Sheldon worth a Edwards and the 1.05? Doubt it. Sheldon and the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 ... possibility. Sheldon, the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 and Cle 2010 1st ... WOW.
I think what DH is saying is that Cle will be picking Crabtree and deal us Edwards for Reggie Brown and something like a 4th or 5th. This would make the most sense.
Im not clear though on his comments regarding making last years trade look tame. That makes me thing we are getting a 1st somehow. Which would remove Reggie Brown and insert Sheldon Brown. Is Sheldon worth a Edwards and the 1.05? Doubt it. Sheldon and the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 ... possibility. Sheldon, the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 and Cle 2010 1st ... WOW.
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Domination
Footballguy
DH,
Can I make one request? After the draft, if this deal doesn't go down, can you at least tell us what the proposed deal was.
Can I make one request? After the draft, if this deal doesn't go down, can you at least tell us what the proposed deal was.
