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***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (2 Viewers)

If the team cannot trade Reggie Brown or Hank Baskett, which would they cut? It seems they spent the whole offseason offering Brown and got no offers so now are offering up Baskett. I know Baskett is meh as a WR, but he is worth something in special teams. Reggie Brown right now is just worthless. Is there any $$ reason that will make them keep Brown? Just really hoping Brown will go join FredEx in neverland.

Also, is it too pessimistic to start the Saints DST this week against Kolb? Oof.
Eaglescap.com pageReggie Brown....$5,838,707 in dead money if cut this year. Salary hovering around $3 mil per year.

For all the talk of the Eagles identifying young talent and locking them up to deals then the players complaining (ala Lito and Sheldon) that they are underpaid, this one blew up in there faces.

 
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Wow, Andrews to IR :coffee:

For a guy everyone insisted was fine, this is a move that speaks volumes. I can't help but think this is as much about Shawn's ongoing confidence/depression/fear issues as it is something physically debilitating. Putting him on IR to make room for Jeff Garcia, to me, signals we're probably done with him as a starter on this team now and forever. Anyone else wonder if this kid will ever play again? I think it's gotten to that point.

 
Wow, Andrews to IR :ptts:

For a guy everyone insisted was fine, this is a move that speaks volumes. I can't help but think this is as much about Shawn's ongoing confidence/depression/fear issues as it is something physically debilitating. Putting him on IR to make room for Jeff Garcia, to me, signals we're probably done with him as a starter on this team now and forever. Anyone else wonder if this kid will ever play again? I think it's gotten to that point.
I hear he was really broken up over Swayze
 
Wow, Andrews to IR :lmao:For a guy everyone insisted was fine, this is a move that speaks volumes. I can't help but think this is as much about Shawn's ongoing confidence/depression/fear issues as it is something physically debilitating. Putting him on IR to make room for Jeff Garcia, to me, signals we're probably done with him as a starter on this team now and forever. Anyone else wonder if this kid will ever play again? I think it's gotten to that point.
I'd be very surprised if he ever suited up as an Eagle again. Whether he has a bad back or is mentally unstable he obviously has an issue with being a football player I think. He's a guy that has enormous football player skills and talent but maybe in his mind he just really doesn't like football.
 
The Eagles are absolutely furious right now. They think the problem is completely in his head because the docs can't find anything wrong with him. He WON'T be on this team next year (not my words, my buddies).

 
This Shawn Andrews saga reminds me of TO - both tragic wastes of talent.
Ummm, OK. Both are headcases but only one tried to destroy the team. :thumbup: Anyway. The unicorn comment was :lmao: And if they really want to clear a roster spot, how about cutting Clemons already? Afraid to admit a mistake again? He barely makes the team last season after getting $$$, gets outplayed by Babin in camp this year and only gets heard from when he jumps offsides on a punt. A PUNT! How about not giving out free 1st downs. :cry:
 
The Eagles are absolutely furious right now. They think the problem is completely in his head because the docs can't find anything wrong with him. He WON'T be on this team next year (not my words, my buddies).
I would be too, wonder if they IR'd him because he'd be a substantale cap hit or if they are going to try and trade a draft pick for him.
 
Does anyone actually have faith in Kolb this week? Or the possibility of the next few weeks?

All I keep hearing is Vick or Garcia, but I think he is getting to play a team that would allow him to possibly look very good this week. Any thoughts?

 
Does anyone actually have faith in Kolb this week? Or the possibility of the next few weeks?All I keep hearing is Vick or Garcia, but I think he is getting to play a team that would allow him to possibly look very good this week. Any thoughts?
They took Vick off the reserve list this week so he could practice. That means either they don't expect McNabb back soon, they have no confidence in Kolb, or both. We're gonna have to score a whole bunch to beat New Orleans, and, barring an insane D/ST performance like last week, I don't see that happening.
 
We're gonna have to score a whole bunch to beat New Orleans, and, barring an insane D/ST performance like last week, I don't see that happening.
Exactly. Does anyone in their right mind believe Kolb could lead the team to 30 points on Sunday? Because that's probably what it's going to take.
 
We're gonna have to score a whole bunch to beat New Orleans, and, barring an insane D/ST performance like last week, I don't see that happening.
Exactly. Does anyone in their right mind believe Kolb could lead the team to 30 points on Sunday? Because that's probably what it's going to take.
I'm curious, given a week to prep and a whole game to play how he does. Expectations are low, but you never know.
 
We're gonna have to score a whole bunch to beat New Orleans, and, barring an insane D/ST performance like last week, I don't see that happening.
Exactly. Does anyone in their right mind believe Kolb could lead the team to 30 points on Sunday? Because that's probably what it's going to take.
I'm curious, given a week to prep and a whole game to play how he does. Expectations are low, but you never know.
I thought the Reid "week to get reps" was a little lame. I know he was hurt but he just came off of training camp and played in I believe two pre-season games. I think Garcia starts week 3.
 
We're gonna have to score a whole bunch to beat New Orleans, and, barring an insane D/ST performance like last week, I don't see that happening.
Exactly. Does anyone in their right mind believe Kolb could lead the team to 30 points on Sunday? Because that's probably what it's going to take.
I don't think NO scores 30 this week. This secondary is 1000x better than the Lions. The Eagles might not win, but I don't see NO putting up more than 24 unless the Offense is so inept that the Defense can't get off the field. I see a lot of Westy and Shady in NO's future.
 
I think the best case scenario is AJ vs. the Pats in 07. Moves the offense well, but makes some big mistakes too. Something like that might be enough to win vs. NO given I expect the D to show up at home - take away deep threat and stuff the run game forcing Brees to sustain drives through short passes. Reid has had good success getting backups ready. Other than Mike McMahon, every backup has done well.

 
We're gonna have to score a whole bunch to beat New Orleans, and, barring an insane D/ST performance like last week, I don't see that happening.
Exactly. Does anyone in their right mind believe Kolb could lead the team to 30 points on Sunday? Because that's probably what it's going to take.
I don't think NO scores 30 this week. This secondary is 1000x better than the Lions. The Eagles might not win, but I don't see NO putting up more than 24 unless the Offense is so inept that the Defense can't get off the field. I see a lot of Westy and Shady in NO's future.
Ok then, 25 will be needed. Who thinks Kolb can do that?
 
They took Vick off the reserve list this week so he could practice. That means either they don't expect McNabb back soon, they have no confidence in Kolb, or both.
So you think they were going to keep him reserved when he's eligible to play? Why would they do that?
 
They took Vick off the reserve list this week so he could practice. That means either they don't expect McNabb back soon, they have no confidence in Kolb, or both.
So you think they were going to keep him reserved when he's eligible to play? Why would they do that?
No. But they could have kept him reserved until Week 3, and I think that was the plan until McNabb got hurt. Taking him off the reserve list now indicates they want him to be ready to play a significant role in Week 3, in case Kolb is a total bust.
 
No. But they could have kept him reserved until Week 3, and I think that was the plan until McNabb got hurt. Taking him off the reserve list now indicates they want him to be ready to play a significant role in Week 3, in case Kolb is a total bust.
Maybe, but this is what I'd have done regardless. A big piece of Vick's value is being a wild card and force teams to take time to game plan for him. If he doesn't practice, that's not going to scare anyone.
 
We're gonna have to score a whole bunch to beat New Orleans, and, barring an insane D/ST performance like last week, I don't see that happening.
Exactly. Does anyone in their right mind believe Kolb could lead the team to 30 points on Sunday? Because that's probably what it's going to take.
Yes...I do. The Saints pass rush is nothing special. Protect Kolb and it won't matter because there are plenty of weapons and a ton of talent around him. Kolb won't win this game...it will be on Westbrook, Jackson, etc. All Kolb should have to do is NOT lose it.
 
Lots of varied opinion/projections in here.

Week 2 Kolb gets the assignment, and Garcia is strictly the backup. Philly had to sign him simply because McNabb is hurt and Vick is suspended. They needed a backup QB. Who better than Garcia was out there? If Kolb had been hurt in the 3rd/4th quarter last week, Westbrook was the next option. Can't go into the game this week in that position

So week 3, if McNabb is not back, we'll see. A lot depends on KK's performance. If he thrives, he's the guy again, Garcia backs him up and Vick may see the field on trick plays and special formations.

For the Saints game, I have to think thatif the Lions put up 27 in NOLA, the Eagles offense--even with Kolb--can put up 25 agianst the Saints at the Linc. That being said, the running game has to carry the load, and the D will need to play lights out.

 
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For the Saints game, I have to think thatif the Lions put up 27 in NOLA, the Eagles offense--even with Kolb--can put up 25 agianst the Saints at the Linc. That being said, the running game has to carry the load, and the D will need to play lights out.
the saints special teams were the problem moreso than the defense. they had lapses in both kick and punt coverage. the lions averaged 27 yards per punt return and 36 yards in the returns. while the eagles did even better last week against Carolina in those stats, this is still a team that - in recent years - hasn't really distinguished itself in either category. they've always been middle of the pack in those stats. you had better believe that the special teams play will be a point of emphasis for NO. the coverage should be better. their own return game should be better too. the box score doesn't tell the whole story. the defense played much better than people think. the only td detroit had in the first half came on a drive that started at the NO 13 yard line. beyond that, detroit was held to a field goal. there was only one legit drive that the lions mounted for a TD and that happened because Calvin Johnson was covered by a rookie CB - on his first play of the year - for a long reception. even at the 3 yard line it took 5 tries before detroit could punch it in. if NO's special teams are better this week then it's going to be that much harder for the Philly offense to sustain lengthy drives.
 
Apparently, it was reported on Eagles live that MJG is starting at RG instead of Stacy. Anyone know anything about this? I know Stacy didnt have a great game week 1, but is he benched already after a big contract in the offseason? I like MJG a lot but I am still surprised. Maybe Stacy is moving out to RT?

 
Apparently, it was reported on Eagles live that MJG is starting at RG instead of Stacy. Anyone know anything about this? I know Stacy didnt have a great game week 1, but is he benched already after a big contract in the offseason? I like MJG a lot but I am still surprised. Maybe Stacy is moving out to RT?
Guess the coaches hated the Carolina film on Stacy...seems kind of knee-jerk to me. At least he's not injured! Doesn't seem like he moving to Tackle, just got demoted...
 
Apparently, it was reported on Eagles live that MJG is starting at RG instead of Stacy. Anyone know anything about this? I know Stacy didnt have a great game week 1, but is he benched already after a big contract in the offseason? I like MJG a lot but I am still surprised. Maybe Stacy is moving out to RT?
Guess the coaches hated the Carolina film on Stacy...seems kind of knee-jerk to me. At least he's not injured! Doesn't seem like he moving to Tackle, just got demoted...
So much for the Andrews brothers on the right side...
 
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Eagles homers how are you feeling about Maclin? Is he going to develop into something good, or does he not give you a warm fuzzy? Im considering trading him for Britt who looks to have more of an immediate impact, but Id hate to do it if Maclin turns into something good down the road.

 
Eagles homers how are you feeling about Maclin? Is he going to develop into something good, or does he not give you a warm fuzzy? Im considering trading him for Britt who looks to have more of an immediate impact, but Id hate to do it if Maclin turns into something good down the road.
I think he will turn into something good, but I avoided him in redrafts this year. Jackson and Curtis are the starters, and Avant is the go-to guy on third down. Maclin will get the occasional play called for him, but he won't play a huge role early on unless there are injuries. Also, Reid doesn't like to rely on rookies. Jackson last year was an exception necessitated by injuries. In redraft, I'd probably rather have Britt. In keeper/dynasty, I'd rather have Maclin.
 
Are any of you guys pissed that McNabb got injured on a dead ball? If you ask me that should have been a penalty. As soon as a player crosses the goal line the play is dead. Any defender diving into the endzone to make a hit should be treated the same as an out of bounds hit imo. It has always bothered me a little, but this is the first time I have seen a significant injury result from it. I think the league is really dropping the ball here, and I feel for McNabb (as much as I can as a Skins fan). I can't believe no one is talking about it.

 
Are any of you guys pissed that McNabb got injured on a dead ball? If you ask me that should have been a penalty. As soon as a player crosses the goal line the play is dead. Any defender diving into the endzone to make a hit should be treated the same as an out of bounds hit imo. It has always bothered me a little, but this is the first time I have seen a significant injury result from it. I think the league is really dropping the ball here, and I feel for McNabb (as much as I can as a Skins fan). I can't believe no one is talking about it.
I've seen a few articles about it. Most comparing it to what happened to Brady last year and how new rules were created for it.Once that ball crosses the goal line, play should be over...same as going out of bounds. NFL is more concerned with players celebrating in the end zone than if they get hurt. Sad, really.
 
Are any of you guys pissed that McNabb got injured on a dead ball? If you ask me that should have been a penalty. As soon as a player crosses the goal line the play is dead. Any defender diving into the endzone to make a hit should be treated the same as an out of bounds hit imo. It has always bothered me a little, but this is the first time I have seen a significant injury result from it. I think the league is really dropping the ball here, and I feel for McNabb (as much as I can as a Skins fan). I can't believe no one is talking about it.
I've seen a few articles about it. Most comparing it to what happened to Brady last year and how new rules were created for it.Once that ball crosses the goal line, play should be over...same as going out of bounds. NFL is more concerned with players celebrating in the end zone than if they get hurt. Sad, really.
I actually started a thread on this a week ago. The NFL has always been slow to penalize for late hits when a player is on the ground. Generally, they only call those hits when it's ridiculously late or spearing. Every game, you'll see defenders hitting RB's who are already down............
 
Well that wasn't too bad for a first career start. The team didn't do a great job overall today but Kolb played pretty well. Two picks isn't good (ignoring the hail mary throw), but there were a lot of good decisions and good passes in that game. If McNabb isn't ready by next week, I'd like to see him get another start.

 
Westbrook is no longer a must start.

Simple as that

Kolb played well...vs a prevent defense. NO played lax in the 2ndary. They focused on the run game, which there was none of.

 
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Way too many gimmick plays for my taste yesterday. Kolb wasn't playing that badly that you needed to get too creative. It's a good thing in a way to have a game like this to fix your mistakes. McDermott needs to look at where the D went wrong yesterday, they let the team down.

 
Was interesting how they were going to the Wildcat early and often in the first half.

It seemed like it was fairly successful though, would like to see their avg yards per play out of it.

Also interesting was how they seemed to completely abandon it in the second half.

Seemed like they were getting decent results, did the coaches just get bored with it?

Kolb's performance was pretty uneven which isn't totally unexpected for a first start I guess.

He had some nice throws and made some good decisions under pressure.

There were a few completions under heavy pressure that were pretty impressive.

On the other hand, there were some pretty badly thrown balls and a few bad decisions and missed opportunities also.

Was pretty annoyed at the other fans at the game calling for Garcia and even Vick (yeah, some aren't too bright) early.

Its the guy's first start and you've got to give him a chance to settle in and get the feel of the game.

Maybe I just noticed him on the bad plays but Assante seemed to having trouble yesterday, any thoughts on him?

All together a pretty dissapointing day at the game but with McNabb out I wasn't really expecting a win here.

Would have been nice but was prepared for a loss, just not one that ugly.

Now if we take a dump against KC next week as well, then I'll be :confused: .

 
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Way too many gimmick plays for my taste yesterday.
Really wasn't expecting that either, maybe Andy's trying to set the tone for the potential Vick threat to have the other coaches gameplanning overtime. I think the first time they ran out of it I wasn't paying attention to the formation and was thinking... man, Kolb looks fast. :confused:Mentioned to my friend at the game that they needed to throw out of the wildcat once or twice (safely) to at least keep the threat alive and the D off the line a little. Shortly after that was the ugly Westbrook toss / near turnover and I think they got away from the wildcat after that.
 
Was pretty annoyed at the other fans at the game calling for Garcia and even Vick (yeah, some aren't too bright) early.Its the guy's first start and you've got to give him a chance to settle in and get the feel of the game.
Unfortunately that's typical. He played better than I expected but still not great. Hard to say too since they got behind and played catch-up all day so it kind of changes the game plan. Interested to see how he does against KC. Of course Vick will keep running in and out to do his little "Wildcat" thing and destroy any rhythm the QB gets. :thumbup:
Maybe I just noticed him on the bad plays but Assante seemed to having trouble yesterday, any thoughts on him?
I've been saying it since before we signed him. Over-rated. He tries to make the "big play" every time. And he's just not that good. He's good but not great and he thinks he's great. He's not a shut-down corner and every time we let him man up on a stud (like Fitz) he's going to fail.
 
the wildcat worked, there were a good amount of positive yards coming out those formations. yet id rather see base packages produce more first

special teams killed us

the defense didn't do as bad as the score indicated

 
My quick take on yesterday....

Special Teams was the downfall of this game. Between the fumble by Hobbs, multiple penalties that gave us poor field position, and horrible punting that gave the Saints great field position. This was the major contributor to the downfall yesterday.

The defense didn't play that well, as they could never seem to come up with a play when they needed to. But I think that the major contributor to that was the amount of time that they spent on the field, and the short field that the Saints had to work with.

Toooooo many gimmick/wildcat plays. It is different if Vick would be back there, and there would always be the threat to throw the ball, but when DJax is back there you know a run is coming. Yes they did get some positive yardage, but if you running game can't get you the 3-4 yards that the wildcat was, that is a major problem.

Finally I get to Kolb. I think he played very well. I believe that Reid could have just let him run the offense and he would have been fine. Instead he kept breaking up any rhythm that he got into by the stupid play calling. Also, minus the early play to Jackson, they didn't take any shots deep to keep the defense honest. Before the game got out of hand, his stats and pplay was very good. Only one of the picks actually meant something. The other two were in garbage time, when the defense was back and sitting on the pass. I might be one of the few, but if the game would have been played that way, I don't think they would have won with McNabb in the game.

 
My quick take on yesterday....

Special Teams was the downfall of this game. Between the fumble by Hobbs, multiple penalties that gave us poor field position, and horrible punting that gave the Saints great field position. This was the major contributor to the downfall yesterday.

The defense didn't play that well, as they could never seem to come up with a play when they needed to. But I think that the major contributor to that was the amount of time that they spent on the field, and the short field that the Saints had to work with.

Toooooo many gimmick/wildcat plays. It is different if Vick would be back there, and there would always be the threat to throw the ball, but when DJax is back there you know a run is coming. Yes they did get some positive yardage, but if you running game can't get you the 3-4 yards that the wildcat was, that is a major problem.

Finally I get to Kolb. I think he played very well. I believe that Reid could have just let him run the offense and he would have been fine. Instead he kept breaking up any rhythm that he got into by the stupid play calling. Also, minus the early play to Jackson, they didn't take any shots deep to keep the defense honest. Before the game got out of hand, his stats and pplay was very good. Only one of the picks actually meant something. The other two were in garbage time, when the defense was back and sitting on the pass. I might be one of the few, but if the game would have been played that way, I don't think they would have won with McNabb in the game.
I don't tihnk you're in the minority at all here. Kolb did not cost them that game and actually played pretty well until the special teams let them down. I don't think there is any way McNabb changes the outcome of that game.
 
Did Kolb take any snaps under center yesterday?

Maybe this is why they brought the wildcat in more, because running plays in a traditional set would be too telegraphed.

 
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Was interesting how they were going to the Wildcat early and often in the first half.It seemed like it was fairly successful though, would like to see their avg yards per play out of it.Also interesting was how they seemed to completely abandon it in the second half.Seemed like they were getting decent results, did the coaches just get bored with it?
Did a quick search on the play by play on NFL.com, probably missed a couple...(ETA: Like the razzle-dazzle reverse flea flicker incompletion? Not sure if that started out of the WC. Also not sure if these were actually from the "wildcat" or just non-standard formations. For instance, that one run with 6 split out wide, 3 to each side)
Q13-2-PHI 23 (9:38) # 10 D. Jackson lines up at Quarterback. 10-D.Jackson right end ran ob at PHI 29 for 6 yards.2-4-PHI 18 (7:20) #18 J. Macklin lines up at Quarterback. 36-B.Westbrook left end to PHI 25 for 7 yards (51-J.Vilma).1-10-PHI 40 (1:50) #36 B. Westbrook lines up at Quarterback. 36-B.Westbrook right guard to PHI 45 for 5 yards (58-S.Shanle).Q2 1-10-PHI 27 (10:58) #10 D. Jackson lines up at Quarterback. 10-D.Jackson right end to PHI 32 for 5 yards (51-J.Vilma). Direct snap to #10.1-10-PHI 37 (10:03) #36 B. Westbrook lines up at Quarterback. 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to NO 47 for 16 yards (32-J.Greer).2-3-NO 40 (8:42) #10 D. Jackson lines up at Quarterback. 10-D.Jackson right end to NO 36 for 4 yards (55-S.Fujita).Q31-10-NO 20 (3:30) #10 D. Jackson lines up at Quarterback. 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to NO 18 for 2 yards (98-S.Ellis).2-4-NO 4 (1:25) #36 B. Westbrook lines up at Quarterback. 36-B.Westbrook pass incomplete short right to 43-L.Weaver.
8 Plays - 7 runs for 45 (6.4 ypa) - 1 Incomplete Pass
 
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