***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[BuddyKnuckles]

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

Unbelievable. Eagles FO is so ridiculous.

And we start to see why the Birds have picked so few FA studs...all the rumors are true...The Eagles are Salary Cap Champions and nothing else.What they did to a guy who literally put his life on the line every week is unbelievable in its arrogance.

I'd like to throw my shoe at those pig headed, money grubbing, liars in the FO.

I'm sorry, but each post I read by you is more and more clueless. The Eagles have one of the best FOs in the entire NFL, and haven't really made one bad FA decision yet. If you look at the body of work for the last decade, your statements look quite ridiculous.

I see you are one of those people who cant see through the lies. Lurie, Banner, and Reid are there to make money and to be slightly above mediocre and thats it. They are happy squeezing every dime out of their business while making the fans look ridiculous. Let me ask you this question, how do you feel about 1-4 in NFCC games? Or 0-1 in SBs? Or, how about year after year of promises about "upgrades" and "more weapons" and "big changes", only to be made a fool each and every time.

You're a pet on a leash, and Lurie is just dragging you wherever he wants to.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I am really looking forward to hearing what DH has to say because i have a feeling i know what went down on this one...Robot Banner low balled Dawk, pihsed him off, and drove him right out of town.

This organization is becoming WAY too predictable.Yes, i quoted my own post...to help the blind mice out there see. To shove the truth right into your faces. For some people, it takes a figurative smack in the face for them to realize that they have been duped.

 

[gonzobill5]

Watching the news and Reid has issued a very kind and respectful parting message. I think people trying to portray this as a slap in the face have a lot of work to do.

Actions (read Money) speak louder then words my friend.

I wonder if the reaction would be the same if this happened after his 2007 season.

 

[gonzobill5]

I am really looking forward to hearing what DH has to say because i have a feeling i know what went down on this one...Robot Banner low balled Dawk, pihsed him off, and drove him right out of town.

This organization is becoming WAY too predictable.Yes, i quoted my own post...to help the blind mice out there see. To shove the truth right into your faces. For some people, it takes a figurative smack in the face for them to realize that they have been duped.

Have you found a new team yet?

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I am really looking forward to hearing what DH has to say because i have a feeling i know what went down on this one...Robot Banner low balled Dawk, pihsed him off, and drove him right out of town.

This organization is becoming WAY too predictable.Yes, i quoted my own post...to help the blind mice out there see. To shove the truth right into your faces. For some people, it takes a figurative smack in the face for them to realize that they have been duped.

Have you found a new team yet?

Nah, know what...every time i decide enough is enough with the NFL, i see there are still too many lost souls who need to be saved form their own stupidity. And so many of them reside right here in this thread.So, sorry kiddo, i'll be here telling you what you need to hear for as long as it takes

 

[None_More_Black]

Watching the news and Reid has issued a very kind and respectful parting message. I think people trying to portray this as a slap in the face have a lot of work to do.

Actions (read Money) speak louder then words my friend.

I wonder if the reaction would be the same if this happened after his 2007 season.

Probably not. If Dawkins tore his acl in the last game of the playoffs, fans would have understood. The facts are that Dawkins had a great year, humiliating the Cowboys on the way to NFC Championship game. Dawkins is not a liability or a luxury, he is a sold contributor to a great defense and the emotional leader of the team. He was asking for a reasonable contract which is all he got.

 

[gonzobill5]

Watching the news and Reid has issued a very kind and respectful parting message. I think people trying to portray this as a slap in the face have a lot of work to do.

Actions (read Money) speak louder then words my friend.

I wonder if the reaction would be the same if this happened after his 2007 season.

Probably not. If Dawkins tore his acl in the last game of the playoffs, fans would have understood. The facts are that Dawkins had a great year, humiliating the Cowboys on the way to NFC Championship game. Dawkins is not a liability or a luxury, he is a sold contributor to a great defense and the emotional leader of the team. He was asking for a reasonable contract which is all he got.

That's sort of how I see it. He was becoming a role player on that defense. Mikell was the ball-hawking play maker. Dawkins still threw some haymakers and caused a few fumbles, he still could lay a good hit. But every time he did I was wondering who was getting the worst of it. At some point, the young guys need to step up and take the lead. Now is as good a time as any. Now let's use that 8 million and get us some help on offense.

 

[gonzobill5]

I am really looking forward to hearing what DH has to say because i have a feeling i know what went down on this one...Robot Banner low balled Dawk, pihsed him off, and drove him right out of town.

This organization is becoming WAY too predictable.Yes, i quoted my own post...to help the blind mice out there see. To shove the truth right into your faces. For some people, it takes a figurative smack in the face for them to realize that they have been duped.

Have you found a new team yet?

Nah, know what...every time i decide enough is enough with the NFL, i see there are still too many lost souls who need to be saved form their own stupidity. And so many of them reside right here in this thread.So, sorry kiddo, i'll be here telling you what you need to hear for as long as it takes

i hear enough baseless eagles trashing every time i turn on the radio, thank you.

 

[GoBirds]

Sorry, I'm a big time Eagles fan, but I don't get this.I understand that the fans love B-Dawk as one of their own. Hard-working, spirited, inspirational player. But he's not as good as he used to be.If you cannot see that he lost a 1/2 step last year, I'm not sure what you saw. Mikell was much more of a playmaker than Dawkins.Don't even bring the money part into the equation, as I believe that he very well could have been a cut next training camp. The Eagles always look to improve at every position, and you must earn that starting spot. I don't think Dawkins would have done well on the sideline / bench and a good talent would have beaten him out for his spot in 09.I'm not that broken up about this. To bring $ back into it once again - the FO put a price on his value and it was much lower than he wanted. They stuck to that valuation and didn't go higher. I agree with that part.If they treated him poorly and without respect, I have a problem with that. He earned their respect and should have left town with honor.ETA - If they had brought him back and then cut him, how unfair would that have been?

I really think Jeff is the only one that gets the total picture here... We all ove Dawk.. that's not the issue.. But it is a business as well... Anyone in business knows the heart can't get in the way of decisions.... Reid, Lurie.. all had great quotes and wodnerful things to say about him.. It was amicable on both sides... Two years from now Dawk will sign a one day contract to retire an Eagle as he should... You can't just throw 9 mil at players in this day and age... Dawk did what he had to do.. they gave him an offer and said if you can find better go ahead.. He did and now we have to move on....

I think the issue alot of us have is that in this "business" the Eagles cruise into each season well under the salary cap. Is it so wrong to throw $4 mil at a guy that has put everything on the line for this franchise ever since they came back from being the NFC East joke? Say what you want, I'll bet you anything we will go into another season in 09' well under the cap and don't tell me his leadership won't be missed much less his play at 36 which will probably still be better than the fill in we use. Who's the upgrade? It's not out there. He deserved better.

 

[None_More_Black]

Sorry, I'm a big time Eagles fan, but I don't get this.I understand that the fans love B-Dawk as one of their own. Hard-working, spirited, inspirational player. But he's not as good as he used to be.If you cannot see that he lost a 1/2 step last year, I'm not sure what you saw. Mikell was much more of a playmaker than Dawkins.Don't even bring the money part into the equation, as I believe that he very well could have been a cut next training camp. The Eagles always look to improve at every position, and you must earn that starting spot. I don't think Dawkins would have done well on the sideline / bench and a good talent would have beaten him out for his spot in 09.I'm not that broken up about this. To bring $ back into it once again - the FO put a price on his value and it was much lower than he wanted. They stuck to that valuation and didn't go higher. I agree with that part.If they treated him poorly and without respect, I have a problem with that. He earned their respect and should have left town with honor.ETA - If they had brought him back and then cut him, how unfair would that have been?

I really think Jeff is the only one that gets the total picture here... We all ove Dawk.. that's not the issue.. But it is a business as well... Anyone in business knows the heart can't get in the way of decisions.... Reid, Lurie.. all had great quotes and wodnerful things to say about him.. It was amicable on both sides... Two years from now Dawk will sign a one day contract to retire an Eagle as he should... You can't just throw 9 mil at players in this day and age... Dawk did what he had to do.. they gave him an offer and said if you can find better go ahead.. He did and now we have to move on....

I think the issue alot of us have is that in this "business" the Eagles cruise into each season well under the salary cap. Is it so wrong to throw $4 mil at a guy that has put everything on the line for this franchise ever since they came back from being the NFC East joke? Say what you want, I'll bet you anything we will go into another season in 09' well under the cap and don't tell me his leadership won't be missed much less his play at 36 which will probably still be better than the fill in we use. Who's the upgrade? It's not out there. He deserved better.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

This Giants fan will be extremely happy to see Dawkins in a Broncos jersey!

This is Donovan's Team now.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I am really looking forward to hearing what DH has to say because i have a feeling i know what went down on this one...Robot Banner low balled Dawk, pihsed him off, and drove him right out of town.

This organization is becoming WAY too predictable.Yes, i quoted my own post...to help the blind mice out there see. To shove the truth right into your faces. For some people, it takes a figurative smack in the face for them to realize that they have been duped.

Have you found a new team yet?

Nah, know what...every time i decide enough is enough with the NFL, i see there are still too many lost souls who need to be saved form their own stupidity. And so many of them reside right here in this thread.

The ultimate

 

[Larrywarren]

With the Lito Shephard trade, the Eagles have strengthened an already strong hand in this year's draft. They now have 2 first rounders, 3 in the fifth round and 2 in the 6th round if I'm reading it correctly as well as a pick in each other round.

Leaves plenty of scope to use picks in a trade without weakening future drafts.

Just a thought but with Philly needing to strengthen at TE and with Kansas having used a pick in the Cassel trade, could a trade for Gonzales be a possibility?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

To revisit Brian Dawkins' contract:

2 years, $9M.

Perspective:

Franchise tag number for a safety in 2009:

$6.3M

 

[gonzobill5]

With the Lito Shephard trade, the Eagles have strengthened an already strong hand in this year's draft. They now have 2 first rounders, 3 in the fifth round and 2 in the 6th round if I'm reading it correctly as well as a pick in each other round.Leaves plenty of scope to use picks in a trade without weakening future drafts.Just a thought but with Philly needing to strengthen at TE and with Kansas having used a pick in the Cassel trade, could a trade for Gonzales be a possibility?

Lito trade doesn't help much this year, but would definitely help next year since he's expected to be their starter. What do you think Gonzalez would cost? I'd do it for a 3rd.

 

[Jason Wood]

To revisit Brian Dawkins' contract:2 years, $9M.Perspective:Franchise tag number for a safety in 2009:$6.3M

What the heck does that have to do with the price of tea in China? $40+ mm under the cap, raised season ticket prices, impossible to replace this year [in a win now mode].Dawkins is as far away from the "franchise number" as he is above the average salary for an NFL player. Talk about taking a stat and misusing it.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

To revisit Brian Dawkins' contract:2 years, $9M.Perspective:Franchise tag number for a safety in 2009:$6.3M

What the heck does that have to do with the price of tea in China? $40+ mm under the cap, raised season ticket prices, impossible to replace this year [in a win now mode].Dawkins is as far away from the "franchise number" as he is above the average salary for an NFL player. Talk about taking a stat and misusing it.

Really Woodrow? Come on.Impossible to replace? The entire league is wondering now about the price of tea - which is the price of veteran safeties. Denver flat out overpaid for a 35-year old safety who has never played for a different organization. As for using the average salary for an NFL player, sure - folding in QBs and LTs to compare to a safety makes perfect sense. Excuse me for providing perspective for what the Top 5 salaries of all NFL safeties is and listing the franchise tag number.Take some emotion out of this and explain how it makes any business sense for the Eagles to throw a near-franchise tag price salary at Dawkins. I don't see it.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

 

[GoBirds]

To revisit Brian Dawkins' contract:2 years, $9M.Perspective:Franchise tag number for a safety in 2009:$6.3M

What the heck does that have to do with the price of tea in China? $40+ mm under the cap, raised season ticket prices, impossible to replace this year [in a win now mode].Dawkins is as far away from the "franchise number" as he is above the average salary for an NFL player. Talk about taking a stat and misusing it.

Really Woodrow? Come on.Impossible to replace? The entire league is wondering now about the price of tea - which is the price of veteran safeties. Denver flat out overpaid for a 35-year old safety who has never played for a different organization. As for using the average salary for an NFL player, sure - folding in QBs and LTs to compare to a safety makes perfect sense. Excuse me for providing perspective for what the Top 5 salaries of all NFL safeties is and listing the franchise tag number.Take some emotion out of this and explain how it makes any business sense for the Eagles to throw a near-franchise tag price salary at Dawkins. I don't see it.

It makes business sense because that money will go unspent under the cap. You and I both know they aren't going to go out and spend that $$$$ on a player to make a run next year. Why not go into the season $8 mil under the cap with Dawkins instead of $14 mil under the cap without?

 

[gonzobill5]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

According to who?

 

[GoBirds]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

Hearing of anything in the works? We've lost alot of players and only got.....another.....Andrews.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

According to who?

First time in this thread? I have a very good friend that works in the Eagles organization and gives me some 'inside' stuff. He's been there quite a while and is privy to a lot of the inner workings of the club.

 

[Jason Wood]

To revisit Brian Dawkins' contract:2 years, $9M.Perspective:Franchise tag number for a safety in 2009:$6.3M

What the heck does that have to do with the price of tea in China? $40+ mm under the cap, raised season ticket prices, impossible to replace this year [in a win now mode].Dawkins is as far away from the "franchise number" as he is above the average salary for an NFL player. Talk about taking a stat and misusing it.

Really Woodrow? Come on.Impossible to replace? The entire league is wondering now about the price of tea - which is the price of veteran safeties. Denver flat out overpaid for a 35-year old safety who has never played for a different organization. As for using the average salary for an NFL player, sure - folding in QBs and LTs to compare to a safety makes perfect sense. Excuse me for providing perspective for what the Top 5 salaries of all NFL safeties is and listing the franchise tag number.Take some emotion out of this and explain how it makes any business sense for the Eagles to throw a near-franchise tag price salary at Dawkins. I don't see it.

1) The Eagles have PLENTY of cap space, "overpaying" for Dawkins for a year or two IN NO WAY impairs them from doing anything else they have planned2) Dawkins is not Trotter or Douglas, who were not only aging but demonstrably worse players when the Eagles let them walk. Dawkins is still an effective saftey; and this comes from a guy who actually watches him on the field at the Linc every home game3) The value he brings to the locker room is worth an extra million or two dollars, ABSOLUTELY. You say to remove the emotion? Football is a GAME OF EMOTION. Without emotional leaders to inspire the team, without your players feeling an emotional drive to succeed, your team is going to suck regardless of the talent level. And last, but certainly not least, you should know better than to frame the franchise tag as a reason to not pay someone. If each year every NFL player became a UFA, it would be perfectly reasonable to suggest that a given player [Dawkins in this case] not be paid commensurate with the top 5 at his position. But free agency doesn't work that way. The only players who can get deals commensurate with the new reality [which is to say, $127mm cap] are those declared free agents. The NFL positional bar resets every year. Last year's "big contract" is this year's "market value." The idea of paying Asante Samuel $70mm for 7 was widely criticized last year [people saying, he's good, but not THAT good]. Well fast forward and you've got Aso banking $15mm per, Hayden making $9 per, freaking Foxworth making $7mm per! Joselio Hanson, our DIME BACK, got $6.4mm guaranteed; $1mm less than Dawkins wanted. The economic of NFL free agency are not about matching up what someone gets with what players in the league have ALREADY SIGNED FOR. The franchise tag usually measures the latter years of players against an average salary that is likely never to be met because either the bar will be reset higher or the player will have to redo his deal as the balloon years kick in. It's fun with math.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

Hearing of anything in the works? We've lost alot of players and only got.....another.....Andrews.

They're discussing a few safties. It appears that they want to address this need in FA rather than burn a early draft pick. They don't think Demps is ready. I have not heard any names yet.IF they get a stud WR, it will be Boldin. They didn't appear to want Housh even before the crap that went down with him yesterday.

They are interested in Ward, but not at the 5mil per he's seeking. Like Housh though, every day he's on the market, his price will go down.

Bo Scaife (sp?) getting francheised threw a kink in their plans. If he hit the FA market, i honestly believe he'd have been an Eagle by Saturday at the latest.

At the draft (where my buddy gets the bulk of his info) they don't want to leave the 1st without a OL. Yes, OL, not necessarily OT. They are interested in the usual suspects at OT, but might grab an Alex Mack if he's there with . Yhe more he talks, the more I think they go OL and CB in the first. They are not looking to move up YET, but that obviously can change as people drop. In the second they are looking at a few positions (RB, TE, S, OL) and will probably go best available from that list with that pick.

 

[gonzobill5]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

According to who?

First time in this thread? I have a very good friend that works in the Eagles organization and gives me some 'inside' stuff. He's been there quite a while and is privy to a lot of the inner workings of the club.

And does this friend of yours have a tendency to stretch the truth? Or does he have some allegiances to Dawkins that might make the story read differently than the way it truly went down? It sounds to me that you (or he) are inferring that the Eagles just thought it was a bluff. And you are presenting that as fact. I think its much more likely that it was just more than they were willing to spend.

 

[loose circuits]

They're discussing a few safties. It appears that they want to address this need in FA rather than burn a early draft pick. They don't think Demps is ready. I have not heard any names yet.

so we can only hope it's Sean Jones

 

[Chunky Soup]

Any way we can get Cutler up in herrrre?

 

[TCFF]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

According to who?

First time in this thread? I have a very good friend that works in the Eagles organization and gives me some 'inside' stuff. He's been there quite a while and is privy to a lot of the inner workings of the club.

And does this friend of yours have a tendency to stretch the truth? Or does he have some allegiances to Dawkins that might make the story read differently than the way it truly went down? It sounds to me that you (or he) are inferring that the Eagles just thought it was a bluff. And you are presenting that as fact. I think its much more likely that it was just more than they were willing to spend.

I'm not sure how many Eagles threads you frequent here, but DH's information is always the most valuable part of Eagle's threads and he is always very careful about how he characterizes the information.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

According to who?

First time in this thread? I have a very good friend that works in the Eagles organization and gives me some 'inside' stuff. He's been there quite a while and is privy to a lot of the inner workings of the club.

And does this friend of yours have a tendency to stretch the truth? Or does he have some allegiances to Dawkins that might make the story read differently than the way it truly went down? It sounds to me that you (or he) are inferring that the Eagles just thought it was a bluff. And you are presenting that as fact. I think its much more likely that it was just more than they were willing to spend.

He very much likes Dawkins, yes. Does he stretch the truth? Unless it's about how hot the chick he picked up last night was, no, he does not.

 

[phillyfan72]

I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what In fantasy football the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.

Thank you. All of these robot fanboys who are parroting the "lost a step" and "time to move on" arguments must not have watched any games last December.This move is BS because:

A) The way it was handled. You laugh at one of the greatest Eagles of all time?

B) The lowball offer

C) The fact that they really dont have anyone to replace Dawk. Demps? Please, did he show you he was ready?

D) They just released the December Player of the Month and a 2008 pro bowler. You cannot compare this to Hugh or Trott

E) The fact that the whole front office was spouting off about how "anything short of a championship is unacceptable". And they have done nothing to back it up so far...well, other than losing 2 pro bowlers and the only other RB on the team

Just to set the record straight, they didn't outright laugh in his face. I mean when Dawk called, Banner didn't put him on speaker-phone and call him out as the whole room just burst into hysterics. It was hard to convey by typing, but here is pretty much what they did:

In fantasy football, I'm sure all of us threw low-ball offers out to league mates for a player that you think is just ready to explode. You two are out for a beer and he says that Joe is also interested in player X, but offered player Y, which was better than your offer. You kinda chuckle and roll your eyes because you arrogantly think that no one else could possibly see the value in player X yet, so you say "Well, take that offer, because I ain't going that high". Basically you think they're artifically jacking up the price. Next thing you know, your buddy is pulling out his cell and saying "done deal" to Joe, and you miss out on a guy you really wanted.

As I understand it, that's how this situation went down.

According to who?

First time in this thread? I have a very good friend that works in the Eagles organization and gives me some 'inside' stuff. He's been there quite a while and is privy to a lot of the inner workings of the club.

And does this friend of yours have a tendency to stretch the truth? Or does he have some allegiances to Dawkins that might make the story read differently than the way it truly went down? It sounds to me that you (or he) are inferring that the Eagles just thought it was a bluff. And you are presenting that as fact. I think its much more likely that it was just more than they were willing to spend.

I'm not sure how many Eagles threads you frequent here, but DH's information is always the most valuable part of Eagle's threads and he is always very careful about how he characterizes the information.

DH is usually on the money when it comes to info on the Eagles.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I think we have to trade McNabb... i Highly doubt we will be an elite team next year (losing Dawkins doesnt affect that he is old and can only play worse next year.. same with Tra)... but there just arent good weapons available for us to get... Can McNabb lead us to the Super Bowl with the same cast? I don't see why anyone would think that.

I think if we keep McNabb we may as well get T.O (if he is released).. we wont be able to get anyone better.. best case scenario is T.O. and Desean would be a great tandem... worst case scenario is we have an interesting year with good headlines and good talk shows.

I propose :

Mcnabb to the Lions for 2 #1s (Dallas's pick and Lions #1 next year)Draft- OL/WR/RB/TE.. roll with Kevin Kolb and a veteran QB

or

trade/sign T.O.

T.O. is also crazy enough to come back here..and we took Trotter back after bad blood so who knows what can happen!

I almost rolled over when I read this one...................

 

[dotman]

JW, I would argue that he is still playing better than most at his position. Even though he played better than I thought he would in 2008, he still was more one dimensional than ever. He was very effective around the line of scrimmage but didn't have the same speed to make plays on the ball carrier when he was farther back in coverage. As others have mentioned you did frequently notice this when he came diving in after the ball carrier was already down. The thing is, he was pretty much healthy and playing 100% all year too, so you can't expect him to be any quicker next year, he will probably be another step slower. He was exposed bad in the NFC Championship game and who knows if we will have to beat the Cardinals next year in order to get to the Super Bowl.

Despite all that I still really wanted Dawkins back, but I'm not sure how you could give him that kind of money over 2 years, I just can't see him playing at a high level in 2010. Although if he is I will certainly be rooting for him even if he's on the Broncos.

 

[dotman]

I think we have to trade McNabb... i Highly doubt we will be an elite team next year (losing Dawkins doesnt affect that he is old and can only play worse next year.. same with Tra)... but there just arent good weapons available for us to get... Can McNabb lead us to the Super Bowl with the same cast? I don't see why anyone would think that.

I think if we keep McNabb we may as well get T.O (if he is released).. we wont be able to get anyone better.. best case scenario is T.O. and Desean would be a great tandem... worst case scenario is we have an interesting year with good headlines and good talk shows.

I propose :

Mcnabb to the Lions for 2 #1s (Dallas's pick and Lions #1 next year)Draft- OL/WR/RB/TE.. roll with Kevin Kolb and a veteran QB

or

trade/sign T.O.

T.O. is also crazy enough to come back here..and we took Trotter back after bad blood so who knows what can happen!

I almost rolled over when I read this one...................

The whole thing is hilarious....we were 1 defensive stand from the Super Bowl, let's blow it up and start over

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I am very curious to see how the Broncos use him. Dawk did not look good in coverage last year and since they have Bailey, he could look very good for a few more years.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'm not sure how many Eagles threads you frequent here, but DH's information is always the most valuable part of Eagle's threads and he is always very careful about how he characterizes the information.

DH is usually on the money when it comes to info on the Eagles.

I'm always looking forward to DH posts about the Eagles.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The more I think about it, the more I think that we all should have seen this coming.

If Dawkins was available for so cheap, then why didn't the Eagles just sign him well before the franchise tag deadline?
The Eagles tagged LJ Smith last year, which surprised many but not if you looked at the impending free agent market. TE was just not available for teams in free agency last year, so they tagged LJ because they thought that was their best option and replacing him would be difficult. Fast forward to this year and none of their FAs were tagged, which implies that all of their impending FAs are replaceable.This news of Dawkins heading to Denver would be easier if the incumbent was readily available on the roster. They don't have someone to step up and fulfill the hole (even if Mikell moves to his spot, that makes another hole). Remember how the Eagles let their Pro Bowl corners walk away in free agency several seasons ago? That was questioned as well because Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown were unproven.

Veterans with leadership skills are always a painful departure.

I'll reserve judgment on this until they name the new starter, but for now I don't see a huge issue with letting him go.

 

[drdgreenlove]

I think we have to trade McNabb... i Highly doubt we will be an elite team next year (losing Dawkins doesnt affect that he is old and can only play worse next year.. same with Tra)... but there just arent good weapons available for us to get... Can McNabb lead us to the Super Bowl with the same cast? I don't see why anyone would think that.

I think if we keep McNabb we may as well get T.O (if he is released).. we wont be able to get anyone better.. best case scenario is T.O. and Desean would be a great tandem... worst case scenario is we have an interesting year with good headlines and good talk shows.

I propose :

Mcnabb to the Lions for 2 #1s (Dallas's pick and Lions #1 next year)Draft- OL/WR/RB/TE.. roll with Kevin Kolb and a veteran QB

or

trade/sign T.O.

T.O. is also crazy enough to come back here..and we took Trotter back after bad blood so who knows what can happen!

I almost rolled over when I read this one...................

The whole thing is hilarious....we were 1 defensive stand from the Super Bowl, let's blow it up and start over

thanks.. ill be back here in Dec 2009 when we are 7-9 and out of the playoffs.. one defensive stand from the Super Bowl.. but also one defensive stand (by TB) from missing the playoffs.A 9 win team last year that is regressing compared to the NFC. Atlanta should be better. Washington better. Even the bad teams are improving.

And McNabb wouldnt get at least one #1 pick? Come on... Matt Cassel who has proved nothing got a 1st. Detroit who has been desparate for a QB since 1900 would give up at least a 1st for McNabb. Dont you think McNabb and Calvin Johnson would be among the top QB/WR duos in the NFL? Ok maybe he wouldnt cost 2 #1s.. but at least a 1 and 3. But Dallas' #1 is low which is why I made it 2 #1s

 

[dirtywaters20]

Any way we can get Cutler up in herrrre?

Since Denver already snagged the real team leader of the Eagles; perhaps they'd be interested in the self-proclaimed,phony, passive-aggressive one.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I think we have to trade McNabb... i Highly doubt we will be an elite team next year (losing Dawkins doesnt affect that he is old and can only play worse next year.. same with Tra)... but there just arent good weapons available for us to get... Can McNabb lead us to the Super Bowl with the same cast? I don't see why anyone would think that.

I think if we keep McNabb we may as well get T.O (if he is released).. we wont be able to get anyone better.. best case scenario is T.O. and Desean would be a great tandem... worst case scenario is we have an interesting year with good headlines and good talk shows.

I propose :

Mcnabb to the Lions for 2 #1s (Dallas's pick and Lions #1 next year)Draft- OL/WR/RB/TE.. roll with Kevin Kolb and a veteran QB

or

trade/sign T.O.

T.O. is also crazy enough to come back here..and we took Trotter back after bad blood so who knows what can happen!

I almost rolled over when I read this one...................

The whole thing is hilarious....we were 1 defensive stand from the Super Bowl, let's blow it up and start over

thanks.. ill be back here in Dec 2009 when we are 7-9 and out of the playoffs.. one defensive stand from the Super Bowl.. but also one defensive stand (by TB) from missing the playoffs.A 9 win team last year that is regressing compared to the NFC. Atlanta should be better. Washington better. Even the bad teams are improving.

And McNabb wouldnt get at least one #1 pick? Come on... Matt Cassel who has proved nothing got a 1st. Detroit who has been desparate for a QB since 1900 would give up at least a 1st for McNabb. Dont you think McNabb and Calvin Johnson would be among the top QB/WR duos in the NFL? Ok maybe he wouldnt cost 2 #1s.. but at least a 1 and 3. But Dallas' #1 is low which is why I made it 2 #1s

I don't think McNabb could get 2 number 1s. I would be somewhat surprised if he could get even one #1 pick. The Lions are probably looking to completely rebuild. They must know that they're not going to be competitive this year or even in the near future. It wouldn't make much sense for them to go after a veteran qb at this point. Then again, it is the Lions we're talking about so I guess you never know.

 

[GoBirds]

I think we have to trade McNabb... i Highly doubt we will be an elite team next year (losing Dawkins doesnt affect that he is old and can only play worse next year.. same with Tra)... but there just arent good weapons available for us to get... Can McNabb lead us to the Super Bowl with the same cast? I don't see why anyone would think that.

I think if we keep McNabb we may as well get T.O (if he is released).. we wont be able to get anyone better.. best case scenario is T.O. and Desean would be a great tandem... worst case scenario is we have an interesting year with good headlines and good talk shows.

I propose :

Mcnabb to the Lions for 2 #1s (Dallas's pick and Lions #1 next year)Draft- OL/WR/RB/TE.. roll with Kevin Kolb and a veteran QB

or

trade/sign T.O.

T.O. is also crazy enough to come back here..and we took Trotter back after bad blood so who knows what can happen!

I almost rolled over when I read this one...................

The whole thing is hilarious....we were 1 defensive stand from the Super Bowl, let's blow it up and start over

thanks.. ill be back here in Dec 2009 when we are 7-9 and out of the playoffs.. one defensive stand from the Super Bowl.. but also one defensive stand (by TB) from missing the playoffs.A 9 win team last year that is regressing compared to the NFC. Atlanta should be better. Washington better. Even the bad teams are improving.

And McNabb wouldnt get at least one #1 pick? Come on... Matt Cassel who has proved nothing got a 1st. Detroit who has been desparate for a QB since 1900 would give up at least a 1st for McNabb. Dont you think McNabb and Calvin Johnson would be among the top QB/WR duos in the NFL? Ok maybe he wouldnt cost 2 #1s.. but at least a 1 and 3. But Dallas' #1 is low which is why I made it 2 #1s

I feel dumber for having read this. Cassel didn't get a 1st either.

 

[delusional]

In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.

*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.

Knowing Banner..i believe it 100% they lowballed the hell out of him. That is Banners thing, that is why he was a cap guru a few years ago when the cap matter. Past few years it hasnt but he is playing like it still does. People arent buying it anymore either. They probably low balled Gaither too in mid season with a contract, that is why he said no to signing it.

I am glad he took the offer but at the same time I am pissed the Eagles didnt match or offer him something close. If it was close, i think he would have stayed.

Now the Eagles got 2 safeties...1 being a rookie ( demps ) who isn't the best in coverage

What are they going to do? Move sheldon to FS, put Mikel at SS, Hanson opposite Asante and bank on the guy they drafted last year that couldn't walk when they drafted him to be the #3?

I am not comfortable with the Eagles banking on the draft to fill in alot of holes.

We need what? Starting LT? RG maybe? Saftey, depth at safety, depth at CB, TE depth and possible starter, RB future & depth ( dont bring in booker ffs )

OOO maybe Klecko can be out starting FS or SS or LT

 

[Game Time]

Remember, the guy they drafted who "couldn't walk when they drafted him" ... was a projected first round player ... Obviosuly, they will address this situationin the coming days/weeks.... let's see where they go before you all panic....

 

[phillyfan72]

Remember, the guy they drafted who "couldn't walk when they drafted him" ... was a projected first round player ... Obviosuly, they will address this situationin the coming days/weeks.... let's see where they go before you all panic....

Yes, losing Dawk hurts, but let's see what they do. Everyone acknowledges he lost a step. Yes, he was the team leader in every way imaginable, but he wasn't the same player. Teams are too smart in the NFL, if he was still there next year, most teams would attack that weakness and exploit it as much as possible. Dawkins will always be my favorite Eagle, and I'm sad to see him go, but maybe it was time.

 

[Slider]

You guys with the lowball stuff are funny. I'm sure they offered him what they thought was fair. ONE other team offered him a deal. Frazier, Spags and some others that coached here didn't jump on him. Perhaps the most disappointing D from a year ago overpaid. Big deal. He'll retire an Eagle.

 

[GoBirds]

Remember, the guy they drafted who "couldn't walk when they drafted him" ... was a projected first round player ... Obviosuly, they will address this situationin the coming days/weeks.... let's see where they go before you all panic....

Anyone read anything or seen any updates on Jack I-whatever? Should be interesting to see how he pans out.

 

[gonzobill5]

I'm not sure how many Eagles threads you frequent here, but DH's information is always the most valuable part of Eagle's threads and he is always very careful about how he characterizes the information.

DH is usually on the money when it comes to info on the Eagles.

I'm always looking forward to DH posts about the Eagles.

Well DH, you've certainly been backed up by other posters as a reputable source. I'll still strongly disagree with your take that the Eagles thought he was bluffing, and that he was a guy they really wanted to keep. In this case, I think you are taking too much liberty with your information (or your source is).

 

[Sebowski]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/132004-...ollars-too-much

Philadelphia Eagles: Always Millions Of Dollars Too Much

Terrell Owens. Asante Samuel. Jevon Kearse.

That is it folks. There you have it. Those are the lone notable acquisitions that ever amounted to anything in the Joe Banner/Jeffrie Lurie era.

Spend money?

No way. We are here to make money and that is all. Winning? Eh, that will come as an added bonus.

That is what goes through the minds of Banner and Lurie every offseason. Trust me, I was there. Honestly.

Looking back on the past decade or so, the word "success" pops into most Eagles fans' minds.

Not mine.

Success is winning. It has yet to happen in the history of the Eagles, and this decade is no different.

Conference Championship loss after Conference Championship loss meant nothing to the front office. One Super Bowl birth, which was a loss, meant nothing to the front office. All it meant was that the team had promising signs and not many changes had to be made.

In 2004, I have no clue who was leading the Eagles organization, but bringing in Terrell Owens and Jevon Kearse was the one time I remember feeling like the Eagles wanted to win. I felt like we could win. We almost did.

But almost is not good enough. Only for Banner and Lurrie, it is.

So after all of these devastating losses, do you not think the Eagles should have been hungry to win? They had winning right on the tip of their tongues, but they lost it.

So when the clock struck midnight on February 27, 2009, things were expected to change. With a reported $40 million in cap space, holes at wide receiver, the offensive line, and the tight end position were expected to be filled. Other holes at running back and wide receiver again were expected to be addressed at the draft.

Well, we now know for certain that: the best wide receiver on the market is not coming to Philadelphia, the best offensive lineman the Eagles could get was Tracy Andrews, and Kellen Winslow was traded to the Buccaneers for draft picks—something the Eagles live off of.

While every other team in the NFC East has made some kind of acquisition, the best the Eagles could do was Tracy Andrews.

At least they could have gone down with a fight.

To be only a tiny bit interested in T.J. Houshmandzadeh is a joke.

Look at your receiving core. What is the thought process in your mind when you say you do not even want the guy?

Honestly? Who out there is better? I do not care if you have to overpay the guy. Give the man his money. He has serious talent that paired with Donovan McNabb will get you places.

There is not a better option out there. Are you just going to go on next season with the same receivers as last season? Good luck with the receivers and their dropped passes.

On top of that, you are not even interested in most of the top lineman in the free agency pool. Then you let Kellen Winslow, a Pro-Bowl tight end, get traded to the Buccaneers for players who have not even entered the league and shown their stuff.

Then the largest hammer of them all struck.

The Eagles' best safety in the history of the franchise, future Hall of Famer, longest tenured Philadelphia athlete, and face of the Philadelphia Eagles signs with another team.

Brian Dawkins left the nest.

The Eagles did not even want to bring him back.

Was Quintin Mikell the better safety than Weapon-X last season? Probably so.

Was Brian Dawkins the epitome of being an Eagles? Was Brian Dawkins the leader of the Eagles? Was Brian Dawkins the best defensive player in team history?

Definitely so.

Yes, Brian Dawkins is 35 years-old, and yes, Brian Dawkins has lost a step.

But whatever happened to loyalty?

Many people bring up that the Eagles have a good history of knowing when to give up players. They bring up the likes up Troy Vincent, Jeremiah Trotter, and Bobby Taylor.

But letting go of Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, and Jeremiah Trotter was different. Trotter had played for the Washington Redskins in-between stints with the Eagles, Troy Vincent had played with the Dolphins before the Eagles, and Bobby Taylor was not the face of the franchise.

Brian Dawkins was the face of the franchise. Brian Dawkins has never worn a different jersey in the NFL. Brian Dawkins deserved to be treated with more respect.

Brian Dawkins did make the Pro-Bowl last year. Reputation may have had a bit to do with that, but the man still made every tackle that came his way.

I keep trying to come up with a way to understand this, and make excuses for Banner and Lurie, but I cannot do it anymore.

Some people brought up finding another team to root for. I would never do that. Never. But I might just go into hiding until this era ends. I cannot take it anymore.

No matter if you think T.J. Houshmandzadeh is a terrific wide receiver or not, he is the best you can get. Sign the man!

You have $40 million to spend. Show me that you have the will to win.

I expected to receive an alert telling me the Eagles signed Houshmandzadeh, than an alert about an offensive line signing. I never expected nothing to come across, except the news of the departure of one of the most beloved Eagles in their history.

But then I remembered who this team I had so many high hopes pinned on was.

It was a team who, in my lifetime, is never willing to spend any money. A team who willingly lets players who devoted their careers to the team just walk away. A team to whom winning is not important.

It is atrocious. Utterly atrocious.

In my lifetime, the Philadelphia Flyers have been the playoffs time and time again. They always hunt for the right players and know what to do and when to do it. The franchise is thought to be one of the best in hockey,

The Philadelphia Phillies actually won the World Series. They achieved the ultimate dream.

What did the Eagles do? Nothing, except let opportunity slip away time and time again.

By now, the team should have two or three Super Bowls under their belt.

Yet they were always one more signing away. One more player away. Millions of dollars away.

But to them, that was always millions of dollars too much.

 

[Slider]

By now, the team should have two or three Super Bowls under their belt.Yet they were always one more signing away. One more player away. Millions of dollars away

....or one good performance from a so called great QB away...

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

First time in this thread? I have a very good friend that works in the Eagles organization and gives me some 'inside' stuff. He's been there quite a while and is privy to a lot of the inner workings of the club.

When DH speaks, smart Eagles fans listen.