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Reid told reporters on draft day that they liked Otah (though he didn't say outright he would have been the pick,) but the trade was just too sweet to pass up. It wasn't about not liking the players on the board, it was about pure value.
What he said. CAR overpaid, so they took it.....
Usually when a player has press conference at the teams training facility who is "un-signed" it's a press conference to announce a signing. I have a feeling Shaw Springs is the newest Eagle. I'm not sure how I feel about that but if he stays healthy he could be a pretty good pick up.
Depends...if they're bringing him in at safety, I hope they didn't pay him as a corner. And if they're bringing him in as a corner, they better have some plan to do something with Sheldon Brown [either move to safety or trade], because we didn't just sign Joselio to that new contract to stay the dime CB.
I didn't realize that Springs is turning 34 next week. I agree with you, especially if they are looking at him at S.
You're in the right place.
I sure hope that Lance Moore thing is unsubstantiated. I don't think I would want him even if he was a UFA. But signing him AND giving the Saints a 2nd round pick? No thanks.
Chris Johnson and DeSean Jackson in the 1st 2 rounds would have been nice...Hey look at it this way - They will have to make two trades this season to bail on the 1st round and save the signing bonuses that come with that. But then again - I'm sure guys that were there last season like Otah, Chris Johnson, Keller or Matt Forte wouldn't have been able to crack our lineup anyway.
ETA: I called for Jackson in the 1st and Johnson in the 2nd in the days leading up to the draft last year...To me he looks like a younger Curtis,not a bad thing,but not the big,strong doubleteam type receiver I would like to see.I can't remember if it was Ray Didinger or Mike Lombardi who mentioned this situation on Comcast Sportsnite.Thought maybe someone here might have some other info. I like the looks of this site and like the info I have seen from DH.Can't wait to hear the draft speculation.You're in the right place.I sure hope that Lance Moore thing is unsubstaianted. I don't think I would want him even if he was a UFA. But signing him AND giving the Saints a 2nd round pick? No thanks.
To me he looks like a younger Curtis,not a bad thing,but not the big,strong doubleteam type receiver I would like to see.I can't remember if it was Ray Didinger or Mike Lombardi who mentioned this situation on Comcast Sportsnite.Thought maybe someone here might have some other info. I like the looks of this site and like the info I have seen from DH.Can't wait to hear the draft speculation.You're in the right place.I sure hope that Lance Moore thing is unsubstaianted. I don't think I would want him even if he was a UFA. But signing him AND giving the Saints a 2nd round pick? No thanks.
Excuse our occasional in-fighting, but not unlike what you'd find at the tailgates (and a few notches below the 700 level).
Wow, just wow.
Think of the smiley in your post as Joe Banner, and hope. I'm waiting to here the few who were defending the Dawkins lowballing thing defend this. I expect Springs might cost the Eagles more, and that would be even worse PR.See, it's this kind of stuff that's indefensible.
There could not be a classier guy in football (maybe Warrick Dunn) than Dawkins. I wish I could say this surprises me but it really doesn't.It will be interesting to see how people not named Spadaro, Eskin or Ford continue to defend this crap. Finally, Finally these clowns are going to be exposed for what they are - on a national level.
While I don't expect it is their long term plan, they are apparently bringing in Springs with the intention to play him at FS
True, it's not par for the course for them. They also offered a Pro Bowl player (same guy) a contract, which is par for the course.
I was in the camp that thought letting Dawkins walk was the right move for this team. I didn't find anything insulting about telling him to take a better offer. I didn't even think that they were being cheap. While I'm not sure this new development classifies as insulting (i know its cliche, but it is a business), it is about as cheap as you can get. If you lowball him because he is getting up there in age, then don't try to double dip by making him payback for missed games. Further, I can't fathom why a team would design a contract that would encourage a player to play hurt. If a guy gets hurt early in the year, don't you want him to sit out a week or two and get healthy?There could not be a classier guy in football (maybe Warrick Dunn) than Dawkins. I wish I could say this surprises me but it really doesn't.It will be interesting to see how people not named Spadaro, Eskin or Ford continue to defend this crap. Finally, Finally these clowns are going to be exposed for what they are - on a national level.
So Dawkins should have taken the hit for a couple of million to stay in Philadelphia rather than the Eagles (48M under the cap) taking a couple of million dollar hit to keep him here? Why? Just because that's how the Eagles operate does that make it the right thing to do to a guy that gave them 13 yrs? It's even worse than them putting the hit on Runyan a few years ago - making him take a cut to stay then riding him like a rented mule until he ended up playing with one leg. Now he will be kicked to the curb. Gee - I wonder why players chase the money...... I could see doing the things the Eagles do if they were having cap problems but they are always significantly under the cap.They operate like this at 48M under the cap PLUS they have raised their tickets prices to boot. LOL - you gotta love it.
It's not sad, and it's not unique to football. Adam Smith refers to it as capitalism.
We just view this whole subject differently. The reality is that smart NFL contracts are based on future performance, not rewarding past performance.I would agree with you if they never offered him a deal, but they did. He chose to reject it.
Springs will be cheaper and just marginally cheaper than Dawkins, most likely.He is much more injury prone, less used to playing safety, is not a leader, and doesn't know the scheme. A solid step forward on the bottom line, a step and half back otherwise.
The issue here is that it once again shows that the Eagles view winning the battle of the checkbooks as more important than winning the battle of the playbooks. Sure you need to win enough games to make the playoffs most years, but if you don't have more cap room left over than just about everyone else, it's not a successful season.Success in the NFL isn't accurately measured by how much money you save on a reserve lineman, a #4 CB, or a starting FS, or any position. The team has shown a penchant for not paying market prices for talent, and that works okay, when you have a replacement lined up or you want to go young. The team is an assemblage of talent, and weak links in the NFL are exploited. There was a weak link at TE that was franchised last year - LJ Smith, who didn't come close to deserving the money he got paid. Why, because the FA pool was down, and they didn't want to spend more money on the position. Letting Smith walk and saving the money would've been fine, since he isn't that good a player, and a average FA TE could've done as well or better, plus Celek was in-house. Why these guys cannot figure out the relative talent level & future production of Smith versus Dawkins, I have no idea.The Eagles cannot replace Dawkins' leadership this year, and if Springs is the starting FS, the whole episode will be revealed to be the travishamockery it is.
Justice is not a NFL LT. I think Herremans has been the plan all along, with Cole to LG. Dunlap could be a factor.All I know is that Herremanns, Justice and Dunlap are all natural LTs...
a. they don't have more cap room than most teams during the course of the seasonb. they can't pocket the cap room they don't use
Not saying Justice is/will be a good LT, just that he has always played there. I would hope MJG would be the LG over Cole...Justice is not a NFL LT. I think Herremans has been the plan all along, with Cole to LG. Dunlap could be a factor.
I'm not taking sides in this argument, just wanted to point something out.Thats not entirely true. I forget what the rule is called and the specifics, but basically there is a way to put a 2009 bonus on the 2008 cap if you're under the cap in the middle of the 2008 season.
An organization de facto pockets unused cap room in the form of savings on payroll expenses. Edit: The post above also shows how one can roll future expenses against current unsused cap. By having bonuses that are unlikely to be acheived they also free up future cap room, which means they get to spend money in 2009, have it count against the 2008 cap, which means actual 2008 expenses not related to signing bonuses can be lower than they look by the cap.
Can anyone educate me on Jones? I know very little about him other than everyone seems to want to hold his jockstrap. He played on a terrible Browns D, and isn't re-signed by them. Is he any good?
What's weird is that Dawkins never "chased the money" before this year. He never was a free agent. He always took whatever Philly offered in order to stay in Philly. He said on 950 that the impression he got from the Eagles was it was $3mil or go elsewhere, and that they didn't seem willing to match or come close to other offers.If the Eagles had guaranteed 2 years at his old salary - 3.5mil, would Dawkins have stayed? Before Denver got involved, definitely. After Denver got involved, still very possible. I think he was willing to take a paycut to stay with his teammates and avoid this drama. It is hard to take a paycut to stay with a team that doesn't seem like they really want you.Really it's their own fault he was a free agent this year. They could have easily signed him to 3 or 4 years in 06, and had control in 09 and 10 whether they wanted to still pay him to play or not. If they are evil geniuses, then the genius part was letting Dawk have control so they didn't look even worse by cutting him this year. It's no coincidence that Dawk, McNabb, Tra, Runyan all have contracts that expire when they're 35, and that none of them will be resigned.
IMO MJG is nothing more than a career backup. Cole deserves every opportunity to get a G spot if anyone does.On Westbrooks screen pass at Minnesota,Cole was ten yards beyond MJGs range.I've been wondering what the Eagles think of Dunlap,Gibson and McGlynn. Could it be that 1 or 2 of these guys are going to be on the line next year.Not saying Justice is/will be a good LT, just that he has always played there. I would hope MJG would be the LG over Cole...Justice is not a NFL LT. I think Herremans has been the plan all along, with Cole to LG. Dunlap could be a factor.All I know is that Herremanns, Justice and Dunlap are all natural LTs...
its available for free on the WIP website.Also, i'm trying to be patient on the rest of the FA period...
waiting...for anything to happen...anything. hello?No WRs left out there that could be of help to the offense. Ditto on RBs. Leohnard is gone. A few safeties out there, but as others have mentioned, are we really going to bring in Springs to replace Dawk? A lateral move (generous) to bring in an old guy who has never played FS? Brought in a Tackle (thats good), but he just had MAJOR knee surgery in Jan (thats bad)Someone give me reason to hope here. Something specific, not just blind optimism pleasePS - I'd kick Banner in the kneecap if i saw him today
For hope, I've got nothing short of them slamming their own head into a wall and getting a good idea.its available for free on the WIP website.Also, i'm trying to be patient on the rest of the FA period...
Eagles won't likely give up enough to get him. A 3rd for Gonzalez was a problem, but maybe Scheffler is enough cheaper to make them part with a 4th or something.
Justice played RT his whole career at USC.Not saying Justice is/will be a good LT, just that he has always played there. I would hope MJG would be the LG over Cole...Justice is not a NFL LT. I think Herremans has been the plan all along, with Cole to LG. Dunlap could be a factor.
Yes and Leinart is left handed so he knows how to play the blind side.Justice played RT his whole career at USC.Not saying Justice is/will be a good LT, just that he has always played there. I would hope MJG would be the LG over Cole...Justice is not a NFL LT. I think Herremans has been the plan all along, with Cole to LG. Dunlap could be a factor.All I know is that Herremanns, Justice and Dunlap are all natural LTs...
Uhh, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. Yes, they return 10 starters, but they have no depth at CB, Safety, or arguably LB. As for Demps he looked hesitant, out of position, and tentative last year, so i am not sure what you saw that you liked
Whoa, i mean WHOAAAAAA there fella. Stacey just had surgery on his ACL AND MCL on Jan 13. An aggressive rehab would have him ready in 7-8 months, placing him back on the field in mid to late August. That's an aggressive rehab, assuming nothing goes wrong, and says zero regarding the shape he will be in at that point in mid August. As for Shawn, the guy has been plagued by mental issues and back problems. To just assume he will be good to go for 16 games at OT is optimistic at best, and really just plain sanguine.
I have no idea wtf COP stands for, but the Birds havent exactly shown a propensity to draft RBs, let alone draft them in rds 1 or 2. Maybe they change their tune this year and use one of the 1st Rd picks, but i will beleve it when i see it. PLus, they still have no answer for short yardage (not that they would use him). Whoever they get HAS to be ready to go week 1 as Westy cannot survive another year of 300+ touches. And only 2 offensive rookies have ever started for Reid in his tenure. So again you're being WAY too optimistic here.
You say "replace 4 starters" like its no problem. Even after the Eagles have done basically nothing in FA. I dont know if we're in the "doom and gloom" panic rating just yet. But, this team barely made the playoffs last year, looked like crap in half of their games, have not filled any glaring needs yet this offseason (unless you count the gamble on Andrews), and still are ignoring the WR position. You didnt even mention anything at WR as if we have 3 studs ready to suit up outside. This is still the same bunch that couldnt catch and couldnt get open last year (or the year before...or before that, or before that...)Sorry, it may not be doom and gloom, but there isnt exactly a lot to be optimistic about right now. i know i asked for someone to give me some hope, but you're gonna have to bring it stronger than that
Work to do, but in a decent spot.Uhh, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. Yes, they return 10 starters, but they have no depth at CB, Safety, or arguably LB. As for Demps he looked hesitant, out of position, and tentative last year, so i am not sure what you saw that you likedDepth at CB? Samuel, Brown, Hanson, and presumably last years draftee Jack Ike...I'm ok. Yes, S depth in the draft or FA is a need. Springs coming in for a visit is a sign that they are addressing the situation, I guess. Basically Demps takes Dawkins spot and Jack takes Lito's...add depth now or in April. Demps played tentative at first, but he has athleticism and speed. A year of camp and reps as a starter, we'll see. I think he can fill those shoes and be an NFL safety.
Whoa, i mean WHOAAAAAA there fella. Stacey just had surgery on his ACL AND MCL on Jan 13. An aggressive rehab would have him ready in 7-8 months, placing him back on the field in mid to late August. That's an aggressive rehab, assuming nothing goes wrong, and says zero regarding the shape he will be in at that point in mid August. As for Shawn, the guy has been plagued by mental issues and back problems. To just assume he will be good to go for 16 games at OT is optimistic at best, and really just plain sanguine.Don't know the info one way or the other, but Shawn Andrews should be ready to go by camp, and is an impact starter on the O-Line. His brother was injured, but so was Runyon (Microfracture). You predict delays on paper - best anyone here or outside the organization knows - is that Andrews and Andrews will be our RG+RT. Of course, things can go wrong, but how do you predict delays in rehab or injury? We lose two starter who are 34, 35 years old and get 2 starters who are 27-28 years old. And both Andrews - if healthy - can play at a high level
I have no idea wtf COP stands for, but the Birds havent exactly shown a propensity to draft RBs, let alone draft them in rds 1 or 2. Maybe they change their tune this year and use one of the 1st Rd picks, but i will beleve it when i see it. PLus, they still have no answer for short yardage (not that they would use him). Whoever they get HAS to be ready to go week 1 as Westy cannot survive another year of 300+ touches. And only 2 offensive rookies have ever started for Reid in his tenure. So again you're being WAY too optimistic here.COP = Change of Pace - young guy in the draft to complement Westbrook. Keep #36 fresh. Gets 5-10 touches. I am well aware of the history of not drafting RB's or taking them 3rd round or later (Moats, Hunt) but I am HOPING this year one of the three picks they have day 1 will address this. I would rather bring in a young back than a FA at any rate, so I am willing to bring this problem into the draft. Not a starter...a guy to take Buck's place.
You say "replace 4 starters" like its no problem. Even after the Eagles have done basically nothing in FA. I dont know if we're in the "doom and gloom" panic rating just yet. But, this team barely made the playoffs last year, looked like crap in half of their games, have not filled any glaring needs yet this offseason (unless you count the gamble on Andrews), and still are ignoring the WR position. You didnt even mention anything at WR as if we have 3 studs ready to suit up outside. This is still the same bunch that couldnt catch and couldnt get open last year (or the year before...or before that, or before that...)4 starters - Andrews, Andrews, Celek and Demps take those spots. And, 3 of them already know the system well, making the transition easier. You say barely made the playoffs, I say was one defensive stand away from the Superbowl. You're not wrong, but certainly that is only one way to look at the problem, and obviates the last few weeks of excellent football that the team played. Why the hate for the Eagles WR's? Curtis/Jackson/Avant/Brown/Baskett are not the problem. I think that overpaying for Housh would not have added much here. Boldin, if available, of course is a game changer.
Sorry, it may not be doom and gloom, but there isnt exactly a lot to be optimistic about right now. i know i asked for someone to give me some hope, but you're gonna have to bring it stronger than that
