***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

Definately work to do. On D, Philly was already #3 in the league and returns 10 starters. Replacing the 11th, Dawkins, is the job. Demps may be the guy here. I liked what I saw of Demps the last 6-7 weeks of 2008. Depth then becomes an issues via draft or FA.

Uhh, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. Yes, they return 10 starters, but they have no depth at CB, Safety, or arguably LB. As for Demps he looked hesitant, out of position, and tentative last year, so i am not sure what you saw that you liked

RT - StaceyAndrews. Done. I like his game and - while coming off an injury - should be ready for 2009.

LT - Shawn Andrews should be back at RG, and I can see Herremans shifting out to LT.

Really, we lose Tra and Runyon, add Andrews and Andrews. Younger for certain. Assuming Cole/MJG fight it out for the RG spot, we have the 'loser' to go with Justice, Dunlap, etc. as depth. See can see OL - not necessarily OT - being the choice in the first round. We could pick a T, but I do not see this as a priority.

Whoa, i mean WHOAAAAAA there fella. Stacey just had surgery on his ACL AND MCL on Jan 13. An aggressive rehab would have him ready in 7-8 months, placing him back on the field in mid to late August. That's an aggressive rehab, assuming nothing goes wrong, and says zero regarding the shape he will be in at that point in mid August. As for Shawn, the guy has been plagued by mental issues and back problems. To just assume he will be good to go for 16 games at OT is optimistic at best, and really just plain sanguine.

RB - Draft round 1 or 2 (I hope) to get the COP back to complement Westbrook

TE - Celek and ???? (But really, Celek is ok here...)

I have no idea wtf COP stands for, but the Birds havent exactly shown a propensity to draft RBs, let alone draft them in rds 1 or 2. Maybe they change their tune this year and use one of the 1st Rd picks, but i will beleve it when i see it. PLus, they still have no answer for short yardage (not that they would use him). Whoever they get HAS to be ready to go week 1 as Westy cannot survive another year of 300+ touches. And only 2 offensive rookies have ever started for Reid in his tenure. So again you're being WAY too optimistic here.

Replace 4 starters and a reserve RB...Andrews and Andrews take two of those spots, Demps and Celek the other...draft the RB complement and depth at OL and S.

Why all the doom and gloom?

You say "replace 4 starters" like its no problem. Even after the Eagles have done basically nothing in FA. I dont know if we're in the "doom and gloom" panic rating just yet. But, this team barely made the playoffs last year, looked like crap in half of their games, have not filled any glaring needs yet this offseason (unless you count the gamble on Andrews), and still are ignoring the WR position. You didnt even mention anything at WR as if we have 3 studs ready to suit up outside. This is still the same bunch that couldnt catch and couldnt get open last year (or the year before...or before that, or before that...)Sorry, it may not be doom and gloom, but there isnt exactly a lot to be optimistic about right now. i know i asked for someone to give me some hope, but you're gonna have to bring it stronger than that

While I agree that the OP here was being a bit too optimistic, many in this thread right now (including yourself to limited degree) are far too pessimistic.At WR, we have arguably the best group ever under AR, and Jackson looks like a real threat. While we lack a dominant #1, it's a solid group now (finally). NONE of the WR's out there this year are a dominant #1...so why are we even discussing it????

AT OL, the Andrews signing seems a good one. Obviously, we still need at least one starter quality OT (or G if we move Herremans)

Celek is, at worst, a lateral move. With another year of experiance, he's probably an improvement over LJ Smith. We need another for depth, but this isn't a glaring need.

We need a COP (that's change of pace) RB and a Safety.

So our biggest real need is at OT...a position with at least 3 possible answers already on the team?

The eagles aren't that aggressive in FA because the holes really aren't that numerous, and some of those holes aren't half as big or glaring as some in here make them out to be. This team was inconsistant last year, but downright great at times. Blowing up the team is NOT the answer.

Take a deep breath guys....

 

[ReggieHammond]

I have no idea wtf COP stands for, but the Birds havent exactly shown a propensity to draft RBs, let alone draft them in rds 1 or 2. Maybe they change their tune this year and use one of the 1st Rd picks, but i will beleve it when i see it. PLus, they still have no answer for short yardage (not that they would use him). Whoever they get HAS to be ready to go week 1 as Westy cannot survive another year of 300+ touches. And only 2 offensive rookies have ever started for Reid in his tenure. So again you're being WAY too optimistic here.

They've never needed to take a RB in rounds 1 or 2 so why would they have to change their tune to do that? When Reid arrived they all ready had a solid starter in Staley and the RBs they drafted late to compliment/replacement him have been very good.I think this is the 1st year in Reid's tenure that RB has actually been a need, I'm quite sure they know what a big need it is with Buck gone and Westy being unreliable. I'd be surprised if they didn't use an early pick on one and RB is one of the easier positions for rookies to contribute at from day one. As far as short yardage goes I think the blocking is far more the problem than who the RB is. The Andrews brothers should certainly help in that regard and if we had a decent blocking TE and a proper FB that area would be much improved IMO.

 

[zadok]

anyone know why we wouldn't be making a push to bring in Barnes with our vacancy at LT?

All I know is that Herremanns, Justice and Dunlap are all natural LTs...

Justice is not a NFL LT. I think Herremans has been the plan all along, with Cole to LG. Dunlap could be a factor.

Not saying Justice is/will be a good LT, just that he has always played there. I would hope MJG would be the LG over Cole...

Justice played RT his whole career at USC.

Yes and Leinart is left handed so he knows how to play the blind side.

Whoops, that's what I meant (really). Good looking out Buddy.

 

[zadok]

b. they can't pocket the cap room they don't use

I'm not taking sides in this argument, just wanted to point something out.Thats not entirely true. I forget what the rule is called and the specifics, but basically there is a way to put a 2009 bonus on the 2008 cap if you're under the cap in the middle of the 2008 season.

The eagles are really good and doing this and its one of the reasons why they are so good at staying under the cap. When they signed Asante Samuel they cleared the cap space by placing a lot of 2008 salaries on the 2007 salary cap.

LTBE's are a tool to "massage" the cap from one year to the next, but the Eagles ownership themselves (nor that any other team) do not personally profit from unused cap money. The point I was making is that Lurie/Banner don't get any richer by staying under the cap.

 

[dirtywaters20]

anyone know why we wouldn't be making a push to bring in Barnes with our vacancy at LT?

All I know is that Herremanns, Justice and Dunlap are all natural LTs...

Justice is not a NFL LT. I think Herremans has been the plan all along, with Cole to LG. Dunlap could be a factor.

Not saying Justice is/will be a good LT, just that he has always played there. I would hope MJG would be the LG over Cole...

Justice played RT his whole career at USC.

Yes and Leinart is left handed so he knows how to play the blind side.

Meh. Left side, right side...doesn't matter where they line him up. He can't play. Hell he even lost his spot on the kick team to McGlynn because his whiff led to a blocked kick. He will not be on the roster opening day.

 

[phillyphan07]

b. they can't pocket the cap room they don't use

I'm not taking sides in this argument, just wanted to point something out.Thats not entirely true. I forget what the rule is called and the specifics, but basically there is a way to put a 2009 bonus on the 2008 cap if you're under the cap in the middle of the 2008 season.

The eagles are really good and doing this and its one of the reasons why they are so good at staying under the cap. When they signed Asante Samuel they cleared the cap space by placing a lot of 2008 salaries on the 2007 salary cap.

LTBE's are a tool to "massage" the cap from one year to the next, but the Eagles ownership themselves (nor that any other team) do not personally profit from unused cap money. The point I was making is that Lurie/Banner don't get any richer by staying under the cap.

what he said

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

While I agree that the OP here was being a bit too optimistic, many in this thread right now (including yourself to limited degree) are far too pessimistic.

At WR, we have arguably the best group ever under AR, and Jackson looks like a real threat. While we lack a dominant #1, it's a solid group now (finally). NONE of the WR's out there this year are a dominant #1...so why are we even discussing it????

AT OL, the Andrews signing seems a good one. Obviously, we still need at least one starter quality OT (or G if we move Herremans)

Celek is, at worst, a lateral move. With another year of experiance, he's probably an improvement over LJ Smith. We need another for depth, but this isn't a glaring need.

We need a COP (that's change of pace) RB and a Safety.

So our biggest real need is at OT...a position with at least 3 possible answers already on the team?

The eagles aren't that aggressive in FA because the holes really aren't that numerous, and some of those holes aren't half as big or glaring as some in here make them out to be. This team was inconsistant last year, but downright great at times. Blowing up the team is NOT the answer.

Take a deep breath guys....

Yeah, i can agree with that...i'm sure i tend to lean toward the pessimistic end of the spectrum...ok, i AM the pessimistic end of the spectrum.There are just SO many what-ifs that need to fall just right for this team to even be competitive:

WHAT IF Westy is really at the end? He's over 30, with bad knees, and now ankles. I really hope i wasnt right last year when i said the contract redo was a mistake

WHAT IF Stacey cant come back until October...or later?

WHAT IF Shawn falls back into depression? Or his back gives out again?

WHAT IF Celek turns out to be a one hit wonder? And once teams focus on him a bit more, he cant hack it?

WHAT IF any of the DBs go down? This is almost a certainty that one or more of them gets hurt and miss time. Who do we have that can step in?

WHAT IF the rookie-to-be-drafted later at RB doesnt pan out? This is assuming they buck their trend and actually draft a RB on day 1

I dont think any of those are unreasonable questions. And i definitely dont think they should blow up the team. I just think they should've looked at what caused them to be inconsistent last year. Namely poor OL play at times, short yardage/goal line issues, and incredibly inconsistent play at WR. They've really addressed only one of those things (OL) and even that is questionable given Andrews injury/surgery.

So, with the moves they've made, i dont see how they change from who they were last year. PLUS, they've lost 2 DBs that got significant PT last year.

The more i think about it, the more i feel i have a legit right to be pessimistic at this point...maybe the draft will change my tune

ETA: Notice how i didnt even mention DMac one time Damn!

 

[Mighty Mice]

While I agree that the OP here was being a bit too optimistic, many in this thread right now (including yourself to limited degree) are far too pessimistic.

You're right, I am optimistic. This is a team that had ups and down in 2008, but was ONE DEFENSIVE STOP from the SB. Inconsistency was a huge issue.

-Replace LJ Smith? Done. Celek can do that job.

-Replace an aging safety who was a coverage liability? Fine. A few guys available on the market to play that role adequately, or give Demps a shot. Either way, add a player in FA/Draft.

-Replace an aging RT coming off microfracture surgery? Done. Stacy Andrews may not be as dominant as Runyon in his prime, but he's a legit RT.

-Replace an aging LT? If S. Andrews is ready (and have to believe he is), done. Plug him in at guard, move Herremans to LT.

My problem is this just leaves us exactly where we were a year ago, no better, and arguably worse (Tra and Runyon were dominant for a good long time). Hopefully, the draft wil garner an OL, RB on the first day and somewhere along the way we get S, TE depth and a FB.

 

[Chunky Soup]

While I agree that the OP here was being a bit too optimistic, many in this thread right now (including yourself to limited degree) are far too pessimistic.

At WR, we have arguably the best group ever under AR, and Jackson looks like a real threat. While we lack a dominant #1, it's a solid group now (finally). NONE of the WR's out there this year are a dominant #1...so why are we even discussing it????

AT OL, the Andrews signing seems a good one. Obviously, we still need at least one starter quality OT (or G if we move Herremans)

Celek is, at worst, a lateral move. With another year of experiance, he's probably an improvement over LJ Smith. We need another for depth, but this isn't a glaring need.

We need a COP (that's change of pace) RB and a Safety.

So our biggest real need is at OT...a position with at least 3 possible answers already on the team?

The eagles aren't that aggressive in FA because the holes really aren't that numerous, and some of those holes aren't half as big or glaring as some in here make them out to be. This team was inconsistant last year, but downright great at times. Blowing up the team is NOT the answer.

Take a deep breath guys....

Yeah, i can agree with that...i'm sure i tend to lean toward the pessimistic end of the spectrum...ok, i AM the pessimistic end of the spectrum.There are just SO many what-ifs that need to fall just right for this team to even be competitive:

WHAT IF Westy is really at the end? He's over 30, with bad knees, and now ankles. I really hope i wasnt right last year when i said the contract redo was a mistake

WHAT IF Stacey cant come back until October...or later?

WHAT IF Shawn falls back into depression? Or his back gives out again?

WHAT IF Celek turns out to be a one hit wonder? And once teams focus on him a bit more, he cant hack it?

WHAT IF any of the DBs go down? This is almost a certainty that one or more of them gets hurt and miss time. Who do we have that can step in?

WHAT IF the rookie-to-be-drafted later at RB doesnt pan out? This is assuming they buck their trend and actually draft a RB on day 1

I dont think any of those are unreasonable questions. And i definitely dont think they should blow up the team. I just think they should've looked at what caused them to be inconsistent last year. Namely poor OL play at times, short yardage/goal line issues, and incredibly inconsistent play at WR. They've really addressed only one of those things (OL) and even that is questionable given Andrews injury/surgery.

So, with the moves they've made, i dont see how they change from who they were last year. PLUS, they've lost 2 DBs that got significant PT last year.

The more i think about it, the more i feel i have a legit right to be pessimistic at this point...maybe the draft will change my tune

ETA: Notice how i didnt even mention DMac one time Damn!

I know you've been taking heat in this thread but this is a good posting imo. There are some good questions that aren't really being answered. The off-season isn't over though so I wouldn't let these be real problems just yet.

 

[JAA]

BRING BACK TO!!!1!!11!

i still have my green 81 Ownes jersey ...

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

 

[zadok]

I must admit I gave thought this morning to a Jackson/Owens/Curtis opening day lineup...wtf is wrong with me?

 

[scratcher]

I must admit I gave thought this morning to a Jackson/Owens/Curtis opening day lineup...wtf is wrong with me?

dont entice me.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I must admit I gave thought this morning to a Jackson/Owens/Curtis opening day lineup...wtf is wrong with me?

Do it

 

[CentralPA]

Terrell Owens is not going t obe an Eagle again, EVER! I would turn in my fan card if they did, he's a cancer that's already infected this team once. To even entertain the idea, it's just wrong!

-Replace LJ Smith? Done. Celek can do that job.-Replace an aging safety who was a coverage liability? Fine. A few guys available on the market to play that role adequately, or give Demps a shot. Either way, add a player in FA/Draft.-Replace an aging RT coming off microfracture surgery? Done. Stacy Andrews may not be as dominant as Runyon in his prime, but he's a legit RT.-Replace an aging LT? If S. Andrews is ready (and have to believe he is), done. Plug him in at guard, move Herremans to LT.

Not to carve this up but I'm going to hit you with some more pessimism:-In regards to replacing L.J. Smith, that was done last year with Celek and he is much better from a pass catching TE perspective but he is not a good blocking TE. I'd like to see them get a guy that is the whole package in the draft. Whether that be Pettigrew, Coffman, or Casey out of Rice; i'll take any of them but Celek should not be soley relied upon here-Safety: I agree that Dawk, as much I hate to see him go, was becoming more of a liability in coverage, Demps should fix this but he's still a young guy and they have very little in terms of depth behind him. May be they sign Spring to compete for the FS position and see what happens there. Hard to tell if this an upgrade right now or not.-Stacy Andrews is an upgrade over Runyan but as BuddyKnucles said IF he stays healthy. Major knee surgery for 300ibs linemen takes a long long time for recovery. I'm optimitic he'll be ready by training camp but you never know.-Same thing lil bro Shawn, he's got a history of physical issues to go along with his mental baggage as well. Take in account this and his brother's knee surgery what's not to say these two aren't hurt through training camp and then what? King Dunlap? McGlynn? MJG? I really wouldn't want to see any of them starting on the offensive line week one.

 

[Zoomanji]

BRING BACK TO!!!1!!11!

i still have my green 81 Ownes jersey ...

I must admit I gave thought this morning to a Jackson/Owens/Curtis opening day lineup...wtf is wrong with me?

I must admit I gave thought this morning to a Jackson/Owens/Curtis opening day lineup...wtf is wrong with me?

dont entice me.

I must admit I gave thought this morning to a Jackson/Owens/Curtis opening day lineup...wtf is wrong with me?

Do it

Just for a minute the thought crossed my mind too

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

While I agree that the OP here was being a bit too optimistic, many in this thread right now (including yourself to limited degree) are far too pessimistic.

At WR, we have arguably the best group ever under AR, and Jackson looks like a real threat. While we lack a dominant #1, it's a solid group now (finally). NONE of the WR's out there this year are a dominant #1...so why are we even discussing it????

AT OL, the Andrews signing seems a good one. Obviously, we still need at least one starter quality OT (or G if we move Herremans)

Celek is, at worst, a lateral move. With another year of experiance, he's probably an improvement over LJ Smith. We need another for depth, but this isn't a glaring need.

We need a COP (that's change of pace) RB and a Safety.

So our biggest real need is at OT...a position with at least 3 possible answers already on the team?

The eagles aren't that aggressive in FA because the holes really aren't that numerous, and some of those holes aren't half as big or glaring as some in here make them out to be. This team was inconsistant last year, but downright great at times. Blowing up the team is NOT the answer.

Take a deep breath guys....

Yeah, i can agree with that...i'm sure i tend to lean toward the pessimistic end of the spectrum...ok, i AM the pessimistic end of the spectrum.There are just SO many what-ifs that need to fall just right for this team to even be competitive:

WHAT IF Westy is really at the end? He's over 30, with bad knees, and now ankles. I really hope i wasnt right last year when i said the contract redo was a mistake

WHAT IF Stacey cant come back until October...or later?

WHAT IF Shawn falls back into depression? Or his back gives out again?

WHAT IF Celek turns out to be a one hit wonder? And once teams focus on him a bit more, he cant hack it?

WHAT IF any of the DBs go down? This is almost a certainty that one or more of them gets hurt and miss time. Who do we have that can step in?

WHAT IF the rookie-to-be-drafted later at RB doesnt pan out? This is assuming they buck their trend and actually draft a RB on day 1

I dont think any of those are unreasonable questions. And i definitely dont think they should blow up the team. I just think they should've looked at what caused them to be inconsistent last year. Namely poor OL play at times, short yardage/goal line issues, and incredibly inconsistent play at WR. They've really addressed only one of those things (OL) and even that is questionable given Andrews injury/surgery.

So, with the moves they've made, i dont see how they change from who they were last year. PLUS, they've lost 2 DBs that got significant PT last year.

The more i think about it, the more i feel i have a legit right to be pessimistic at this point...maybe the draft will change my tune

ETA: Notice how i didnt even mention DMac one time Damn!

I know you've been taking heat in this thread but this is a good posting imo. There are some good questions that aren't really being answered. The off-season isn't over though so I wouldn't let these be real problems just yet.

Thanks. I swear that if you can get past my (admitted) overreactions and strong opinions, i really do think things through (eventually). Like i mentioned before ia m really goign to try to be patient and see what they do in the draft. With that many picks, they really can help their team instantly.

 

[Bushead]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/05/eagles-tra...is-to-patriots/

interesting

Eagles trade WR Lewis to Patriots

Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Greg Lewis, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to New England. Terms still to come.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

No offense but the WHAT IF stuff is just bunk. The "what if's" apply to every single team in the NFL.

I think the Eagles are in pretty good shape.

#1 - Like him or not they have one of the top 10 QBs in the league

#2 - They have a young QB who is developing behind McNabb

#3 - Westbrook is still one of the best RB's in the league. No doubt they will address the position on draft day just like they seem to every year.

#4- They have some young talent at the WR position in DJax and Avant

#6 - They have drafted quite a few O-Lineman over the past few years and hopefully one or two them will be able to step in and be productive. Clearly this line depends on the Andrews brothers. If they are up to speed then I believe the line will be fine.

#6 - They have a fantastic D-Line that is extremely young. A great pass rusher in Coles, two very good DT's and quite possibly a 3rd, and Abiamiri who could be promising

#7 - A pretty solid Line Backing core. Stewart Bradley is a player, Jordan and Gaither both prove then can start and Gocong looks like he could develop into something with some more time at the position.

#8 - Our DB's are very solid. Samuel is a stud, No complaints about Sheldon Brown, Hanson looks like he could be a starter for quite a few teams, Mikell could be the best SS we have had since the early 90s... that leaves the FS spot and like it or not I believe Demps is clearly a better player in coverage then BDawk. Of course he will not bring everything to the table that Dawk did, but few players will.

 

[Chunky Soup]

#1 - Like him or not they have one of the top 10 QBs in the league

I'd say that a few years ago. Is that the last time you watched? Top 10 is pushing it but I think with help he could do very well for himself.

#2 - They have a young QB who is developing behind McNabb

Are we talking about Kolb? What you said is true, he is developing -- developing into what, who knows? A bust? A retired NFL player? I'd say that these are the likely scenarios for him in the next few years.

#3 - Westbrook is still one of the best RB's in the league. No doubt they will address the position on draft day just like they seem to every year.

I love Westbrook, but I'd really disagree at this point in his career. Did you see him last year? Anyway, even though you're playing the what-ifs now, it's been pointed out in this thread they hardly address this position well -- Booker/Hunt?

#4- They have some young talent at the WR position in DJax and Avant

DJax is great, but our WR corps is pretty lackluster outside of him. I wouldn't consider Avant talent to be excited about. The good thing about the Eagles is that we've merely gotten by with a mediocre WR group.

#6 - They have drafted quite a few O-Lineman over the past few years and hopefully one or two them will be able to step in and be productive. Clearly this line depends on the Andrews brothers. If they are up to speed then I believe the line will be fine.

We've drafted a few (although, why are we playing what-ifs here regarding draft and also the health of the Andrews??), but you can't count on production. Winston Justice? I like Andrew brothers, but the situation is a little unsettling.

Added my thoughts in bold.

 

[Chunky Soup]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/05/eagles-tra...is-to-patriots/

interesting

Eagles trade WR Lewis to Patriots

Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Greg Lewis, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to New England. Terms still to come.

Making WR room for TO?

 

[jasvic]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/05/eagles-tra...is-to-patriots/

interesting

Eagles trade WR Lewis to Patriots

Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Greg Lewis, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to New England. Terms still to come.

Making WR room for TO?

I'll put on my optimism hat and say making room for Boldin.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Cross Shawn Springs off the list - looks like he signed with New England (based on the other thread floating around).

I guess it's Demps or bust right now.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/05/eagles-tra...is-to-patriots/

interesting

Eagles trade WR Lewis to Patriots

Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Greg Lewis, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to New England. Terms still to come.

Making WR room for TO?

I'll put on my optimism hat and say making room for Boldin.

I dont care if they're making room for a new coffee machine so long as Lewis is gone

 

[Zoomanji]

First TO now Lewis

The day keeps getting better

 

[JAA]

Pats have Gaffney and now Lewis?

 

[thriftyrocker]

Gaffney went to Denver. They had to replace their Eagles castaway.

 

[cstu]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/05/eagles-tra...is-to-patriots/

interesting

Eagles trade WR Lewis to Patriots

Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Greg Lewis, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to New England. Terms still to come.

Making WR room for TO?

I'll put on my optimism hat and say making room for Boldin.

I'd bet it'll be Holt. They tried to trade for him last year but the asking price was too high. Now they are looking at only giving up Reggie Brown and a pick.

 

[stevegamer]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/05/eagles-tra...is-to-patriots/

interesting

Eagles trade WR Lewis to Patriots

Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Greg Lewis, New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to New England. Terms still to come.

Making WR room for TO?

I'll put on my optimism hat and say making room for Boldin.

I dont care if they're making room for a new coffee Diet Pepsi machine so long as Lewis is gone

DP Machine is a much better tackler, and can take a hit. Could fall forward for a few yards. Could use that skill set.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm going to say it's Harrison. No way Boldin is ready to be traded yet, Warner just gave the Cards a $2mm incentive to re-sign the guy and the Cards aren't going to trade him without at least getting his agent back to the table one more time. Holt is a possibility but I would think Harrison is ready and available, and won't require draft pick compensation.

Now, putting my fanboy hat on for a second [this will never happen]...imagine if we got Harrison AND Holt.

4WR sets every down!

 

[TCFF]

I'm going to say it's Harrison. No way Boldin is ready to be traded yet, Warner just gave the Cards a $2mm incentive to re-sign the guy and the Cards aren't going to trade him without at least getting his agent back to the table one more time. Holt is a possibility but I would think Harrison is ready and available, and won't require draft pick compensation.Now, putting my fanboy hat on for a second [this will never happen]...imagine if we got Harrison AND Holt.4WR sets every down!

I guess I would like to have them both, but Holt has a lot more in the tank than Harrison IMHO. Price on Holt may have come way down as well. He is due a 1.25 million bonus on 03/17 I believe and if the Rams haven't traded him by then they would likely cut him and get nothing.

 

[Bushead]

they are bringing in Sean Jones tomorrow. Finally, something moving in the right direction.

 

[Mighty Mice]

they are bringing in Sean Jones tomorrow. Finally, something moving in the right direction.

Upgrade to the position, and Demps as depth there is very nice.

 

[loose circuits]

they are bringing in Sean Jones tomorrow. Finally, something moving in the right direction.

Upgrade to the position, and Demps as depth there is very nice.

it's about freaking time!!

March 5, 2009 | Last Updated: 3/5/09 5:24 PM ET | Comments (25)

By: CHRIS McPHERSON

Free agent strong safety Sean Jones will visit with the Eagles on Friday. Jones will be made available to the media at 3:30 PM. Make sure to stay tuned to PhiladelphiaEagles.com for complete coverage.

A second-round pick of the Cleveland Browns in 2004, the 6-1, 225-pound Jones is third in the NFL with 14 interceptions over the past three seasons behind Ed Reed and O.J. Atogwe. When the Eagles beat the Browns 30-10 this past season, Jones intercepted DeSean Jackson out of the Wildcat formation in the end zone. The 27-year-old Jones has played in 60 games (44 starts) during his five-year career in Cleveland and has recorded 286 tackles and three forced fumbles.

In 2006, Jones had a breakout season recording 107.5 tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss and five interceptions. He was named that year to the Sports Illustrated All-Pro team by Dr. Z.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?STORY_ID=17506could get him at a bargain too since he hasn't got much interest. I think he's better suited for SS though, with Mikkell and Demps battling for the FS job

 

[phillyfan72]

they are bringing in Sean Jones tomorrow. Finally, something moving in the right direction.

Totally agree. I haven't had issues with the moves they've made, it's what they haven't, namely spending some of that $40 mil in cap room. If they get Sean Jones signed, that will fill the hole left by Dawk (and then some really). I just hope they get Jones signed tomorrow.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

they are bringing in Sean Jones tomorrow. Finally, something moving in the right direction.

Totally agree. I haven't had issues with the moves they've made, it's what they haven't, namely spending some of that $40 mil in cap room. If they get Sean Jones signed, that will fill the hole left by Dawk (and then some really). I just hope they get Jones signed tomorrow.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

they are bringing in Sean Jones tomorrow. Finally, something moving in the right direction.

Great news day for a change.TO cut. Greg Lewis gone. Now Sean Jones coming in for a visit.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Does anyone have a scouting report on Jones? I read some Cleveland site say the knock on him is he is also not great in coverage and more of a run stopper. Obv he is an IDP stat stuffer, but what are his limitations and why wouldn't Mangini want him?

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2009/3/4/7807...ying-quiet-jets

 

[renesauz]

No offense but the WHAT IF stuff is just bunk. The "what if's" apply to every single team in the NFL. I think the Eagles are in pretty good shape.#1 - Like him or not they have one of the top 10 QBs in the league#2 - They have a young QB who is developing behind McNabb #3 - Westbrook is still one of the best RB's in the league. No doubt they will address the position on draft day just like they seem to every year. #4- They have some young talent at the WR position in DJax and Avant#6 - They have drafted quite a few O-Lineman over the past few years and hopefully one or two them will be able to step in and be productive. Clearly this line depends on the Andrews brothers. If they are up to speed then I believe the line will be fine. #6 - They have a fantastic D-Line that is extremely young. A great pass rusher in Coles, two very good DT's and quite possibly a 3rd, and Abiamiri who could be promising #7 - A pretty solid Line Backing core. Stewart Bradley is a player, Jordan and Gaither both prove then can start and Gocong looks like he could develop into something with some more time at the position.#8 - Our DB's are very solid. Samuel is a stud, No complaints about Sheldon Brown, Hanson looks like he could be a starter for quite a few teams, Mikell could be the best SS we have had since the early 90s... that leaves the FS spot and like it or not I believe Demps is clearly a better player in coverage then BDawk. Of course he will not bring everything to the table that Dawk did, but few players will.

And it underscores yet another reason to be optimistic rather then pessiistic. Although there are a few questions on O...this D should be BETTER, possibly a lot better. The line and the LB corps were/are YOUNG and were already good. Returning basicly intact with another year of experiance...they could be downright awesome.IN short BK...we may only need positive answers to half of your questions to compete deep in the playoffs...and answering half of them shouldn't be that hard.

 

[scratcher]

Does anyone have a scouting report on Jones? I read some Cleveland site say the knock on him is he is also not great in coverage and more of a run stopper. Obv he is an IDP stat stuffer, but what are his limitations and why wouldn't Mangini want him?

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2009/3/4/7807...ying-quiet-jets

Like I posted earlier, does anyone actually know anything about this guy or seen him play?

 

[GoBirds]

Does anyone have a scouting report on Jones? I read some Cleveland site say the knock on him is he is also not great in coverage and more of a run stopper. Obv he is an IDP stat stuffer, but what are his limitations and why wouldn't Mangini want him?

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2009/3/4/7807...ying-quiet-jets

Like I posted earlier, does anyone actually know anything about this guy or seen him play?

Of course not, he played for the freaking Browns. It's just encouraging that Banner might actually spend a small fraction of our cap space.

 

[loose circuits]

Does anyone have a scouting report on Jones? I read some Cleveland site say the knock on him is he is also not great in coverage and more of a run stopper. Obv he is an IDP stat stuffer, but what are his limitations and why wouldn't Mangini want him?

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2009/3/4/7807...ying-quiet-jets

Like I posted earlier, does anyone actually know anything about this guy or seen him play?

his only limitation is that he isn't extremely fast, but he has great ball skills, can cover ok, and is a force in the run game. He's not going to cover WR's 1 on 1 like Dawk did earlier in his career. In 2006, he finally put it all together and had a great season, but injuries seemed to have plagued him at the worst times during his career. He is better suited to play SS like I said before.Mangini said he wanted to build his team thru the draft.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Does anyone have a scouting report on Jones? I read some Cleveland site say the knock on him is he is also not great in coverage and more of a run stopper. Obv he is an IDP stat stuffer, but what are his limitations and why wouldn't Mangini want him?

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2009/3/4/7807...ying-quiet-jets

Like I posted earlier, does anyone actually know anything about this guy or seen him play?

Of course not, he played for the freaking Browns. It's just encouraging that Banner might actually spend a small fraction of our cap space.

Not sure if Norton wrote this, but here's the FBG pre-season book on Sean Jones (from June 15, 2008):

Best Case

Jones is a big hitting play maker who is always around the ball. At 6'1" and 212, he is an intimidating force over the middle of the field and loves to deliver a blow on the ball carrier. Jones is very good in press coverage where he can disrupt and/or redirect timing routs and is physical enough to match up with tight ends. He has good fundamental cover skills when in man to man and enough speed (4.51) to stay with most receivers. It took him a while to pick up the pro game but he finally earned the full time SS job in '06 and hasn't disappointed. In two seasons as a starter Jones has averaged a solid 70 solo tackles. Combined with his 5 interceptions in each of those seasons, he has posted back to back top 10 fantasy finishes. Jones has proven to be both productive and consistent. He should once again push for top 10 billing and is a contender to reach the top 5.

Worst Case

Other than the obvious potential for injury, there really isn't much downside with Jones. He's not going to lead the league in tackles but even if his tackle numbers slip a little due to the improvement in the front 7, his penchant for the big play will be enough to keep him a worthy starting option.

Outlook

Jones has established himself as a top flight fantasy DB. He doesn't post huge tackle numbers but is consistent and his big play production is strong enough to make the difference. Don't hesitate to pick up Jones as your DB1 and do so with confidence.

 

[zadok]

if Jones is signed by 3:30 - young and talented and will fill a position of need.

I really hope these 12 picks in the draft will be turned into 5 or 6 higher ones. Take a top RB, OT and TE and the rest is gravy...

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I talked to my buddy and he seems VERY confident that Banner gets this deal done with Jones.

 

[Mighty Mice]

I talked to my buddy and he seems VERY confident that Banner gets this deal done with Jones.

Jones is a very solid player; for the life of me can't figure out how a player like him has lasted on the market this long. I am sure a lot of fans don't know him because of playing in the AFC and on a terrible Browns team, but he is a player.All I know is what I watch every week---and what I watch every week is a young, big,fast,hard hitting safety that plays in the box extremely well, is decent in pass coverage, and has a knack for the ball. If they get the deal done, this is an absolute upgrade over what Dawkins brought the last 2 years. Mikell + Jones could be a solid tandem for the next 3-4 years. Mikell moves to FS, Demps in the Considine role IMO. Hope it happens!

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm intrigued by Jones. IDP guys on staff high on him, my buddies who follow the AFC North not so much.

 

[CentralPA]

Liking the sounds of getting Jones in fold more and more. I'm surprised he's not getting more interest out there. To think a guy like Jim Leonard gets signed before he does.

 

[musicman_17046]

I talked to my buddy and he seems VERY confident that Banner gets this deal done with Jones.

Thanks for the stream of info. I would like to ask. Do the Eagles plan on drafting all the picks they have or will they bundle them for a trade up ? Thought maybe your guy might have heard something.

 

[Lehigh98]

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