***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[scratcher]

Out of curiosity: What would you guys think if McNabb got traded to the Redskins? We all know Snyder loves to overpay for players. I still think McNabb has some game in him and as much as I want to see Kolb get a shot, it think it would suck to go up against him twice a year.

 

[fred_1_15301]

He is. Somewhere between 8-10.

Junior, you're one of the biggest McNabb advocates on this board and I respect that. In your opinion, how would you rank McNabb at this stage of his career compared to the other 5 NFC playoff qbs? In my opinion, it wouldn't be absurd to make a claim that McNabb is the worst of the NFC playoff QBs. I think it's at the very least debatable.

 

[bweiser]

He is. Somewhere between 8-10.

Junior, you're one of the biggest McNabb advocates on this board and I respect that. In your opinion, how would you rank McNabb at this stage of his career compared to the other 5 NFC playoff qbs? In my opinion, it wouldn't be absurd to make a claim that McNabb is the worst of the NFC playoff QBs. I think it's at the very least debatable.

If you are talking about merely for 2009, I'd say yes McNabb ranks No. 6 out of NFC playoff QBs. The others are simply playing at a higher level.Going forward, I'd rather have McNabb than Favre or Warner - mainly because I don't know how much longer either will play. I like McNabb better than Romo, but that's just because I think that kid is a punk and he plays for the Cowboys.

 

[fred_1_15301]

He is. Somewhere between 8-10.

Junior, you're one of the biggest McNabb advocates on this board and I respect that. In your opinion, how would you rank McNabb at this stage of his career compared to the other 5 NFC playoff qbs? In my opinion, it wouldn't be absurd to make a claim that McNabb is the worst of the NFC playoff QBs. I think it's at the very least debatable.

If you are talking about merely for 2009, I'd say yes McNabb ranks No. 6 out of NFC playoff QBs. The others are simply playing at a higher level.Going forward, I'd rather have McNabb than Favre or Warner - mainly because I don't know how much longer either will play. I like McNabb better than Romo, but that's just because I think that kid is a punk and he plays for the Cowboys.

Yes I'm talking about right now. Obviously, nobody would take Warner or Favre going forward considering their age. I disagree about Romo being a "punk". From everything I hear, he's actually an extremely classy guy.

 

[JuniorNB]

He is. Somewhere between 8-10.

Junior, you're one of the biggest McNabb advocates on this board and I respect that. In your opinion, how would you rank McNabb at this stage of his career compared to the other 5 NFC playoff qbs? In my opinion, it wouldn't be absurd to make a claim that McNabb is the worst of the NFC playoff QBs. I think it's at the very least debatable.

McNabb had a great season this year. It's real easy to look at two bad games at the end of the year and decide he's done.As of right now, Brees and Favre are no brainers. Those two, along with P. Manning, have played head and shoulders above anyone else and any of them could have been MVP.Rodgers seems to be the real deal and I'd put him ahead of Mcnabb at this point. Warner is great indoors and/or in nice weather. I don't think he'd be very good in Philly in late November-Romo played better than McNabb over the last two weeks, but I still can't forget how McNabb has owned him over the last few years. I'd put thme even, but as an Eagles fan, I'd still rather have McNabb.So, out of the six NFC playoff QBs, McNabb is definetly around teh bottom, but that still doesn't mean he isn't around #10 in the NFL. It is an amazing crop of NFC playoff quarterbacks. Manning, Rivers, Brady, and maybe Big Ben in the AFC.EDIT TO ADD< Even though I have always been a McNabb supporter, I would not be terribly upset if they dealt him at this point. He had a good season and still has 3 or 4 good years left so Philly should try to move him while he still holds value. Everyone on the offense is young so throw the inexperienced Kolb in their and let them all grow together. I'll taker a non-playoff year to be able to enjoy all those offensive weapons come into their prime together.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He is. Somewhere between 8-10.

Junior, you're one of the biggest McNabb advocates on this board and I respect that. In your opinion, how would you rank McNabb at this stage of his career compared to the other 5 NFC playoff qbs? In my opinion, it wouldn't be absurd to make a claim that McNabb is the worst of the NFC playoff QBs. I think it's at the very least debatable.

McNabb had a great season this year. It's real easy to look at two bad games at the end of the year and decide he's done.As of right now, Brees and Favre are no brainers. Those two, along with P. Manning, have played head and shoulders above anyone else and any of them could have been MVP.Rodgers seems to be the real deal and I'd put him ahead of Mcnabb at this point. Warner is great indoors and/or in nice weather. I don't think he'd be very good in Philly in late November-Romo played better than McNabb over the last two weeks, but I still can't forget how McNabb has owned him over the last few years. I'd put thme even, but as an Eagles fan, I'd still rather have McNabb.So, out of the six NFC playoff QBs, McNabb is definetly around teh bottom, but that still doesn't mean he isn't around #10 in the NFL. It is an amazing crop of NFC playoff quarterbacks. Manning, Rivers, Brady, and maybe Big Ben in the AFC.EDIT TO ADD< Even though I have always been a McNabb supporter, I would not be terribly upset if they dealt him at this point. He had a good season and still has 3 or 4 good years left so Philly should try to move him while he still holds value. Everyone on the offense is young so throw the inexperienced Kolb in their and let them all grow together. I'll taker a non-playoff year to be able to enjoy all those offensive weapons come into their prime together.

Your edit is where I stand on McNabb and the Eagles. I like McNabb as a QB, but I think the Eagles can get good value for him right now and slide Kolb in to grow with the other young players on this team. If they don't choose one or the other, they could be left with neither.

 

[Amused to Death]

Eagles hire Bobby April; fire Ted Daisher

PHILADELPHIA (AP)—The Eagles have fired Ted Daisher and hired former Bills assistant Bobby April to be their special teams coordinator.

Daisher spent one season as Philadelphia’s special teams coach. The team also fired strength and conditioning coach Mike Wolf, and assistant strength and conditioning coach Jay Merlino.

April worked in Buffalo the last six seasons and previously coached in Atlanta, Pittsburgh, New Orleans and St. Louis during 18 years in the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-e...p&type=lgns

 

[dhockster]

IHere's what we KNOW:*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy?

In his press conference on Monday, Andy said he did not think there would be any changes in the coaching staff. Yesterday he fired three coaches, including the special teams coordinator.I am not being critical of you or Andy Reid. I am justing pointing out that there are things that you can't be honest about in a post season press conference because they might mess up what you are trying to do. Like say your going to fire coaches or you are going to trade a specific player (McNabb).BTW, if April can cut down on special teams penalties, get Rocca to punt more consistently and figure out a way to not let Macho Harris return kickoffs, then the Eagles are already better in 2010 then they were in 2009. Nice hire, Andy.

 

[Jason Wood]

IHere's what we KNOW:*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy?

In his press conference on Monday, Andy said he did not think there would be any changes in the coaching staff. Yesterday he fired three coaches, including the special teams coordinator.I am not being critical of you or Andy Reid. I am justing pointing out that there are things that you can't be honest about in a post season press conference because they might mess up what you are trying to do. Like say your going to fire coaches or you are going to trade a specific player (McNabb).BTW, if April can cut down on special teams penalties, get Rocca to punt more consistently and figure out a way to not let Macho Harris return kickoffs, then the Eagles are already better in 2010 then they were in 2009. Nice hire, Andy.

Fair point, and certainly what one feels the day after a major loss and what you feel when you're a few weeks removed from the emotional impact are quite different, even for coaches and GMs. But I still think that the Reid/McNabb dynamic is the one true constant of this regime, and it would take either Andy leaving (which we know isn't happening) or Donovan publicly demanding a new situation b/c he wants (and doesn't get) an extension for this to be any more than fan conjecture. Time will tell. If McNabb is traded it won't be the first time I had to eat crow; and I'll happily do it. I just hope everyone else on the other side of this is willing to do the same when the offseason finishes up.

 

[Amused to Death]

I

Here's what we KNOW:

*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy?

In his press conference on Monday, Andy said he did not think there would be any changes in the coaching staff. Yesterday he fired three coaches, including the special teams coordinator.I am not being critical of you or Andy Reid. I am justing pointing out that there are things that you can't be honest about in a post season press conference because they might mess up what you are trying to do. Like say your going to fire coaches or you are going to trade a specific player (McNabb).

BTW, if April can cut down on special teams penalties, get Rocca to punt more consistently and figure out a way to not let Macho Harris return kickoffs, then the Eagles are already better in 2010 then they were in 2009. Nice hire, Andy.

Fair point, and certainly what one feels the day after a major loss and what you feel when you're a few weeks removed from the emotional impact are quite different, even for coaches and GMs. But I still think that the Reid/McNabb dynamic is the one true constant of this regime, and it would take either Andy leaving (which we know isn't happening) or Donovan publicly demanding a new situation b/c he wants (and doesn't get) an extension for this to be any more than fan conjecture. Time will tell. If McNabb is traded it won't be the first time I had to eat crow; and I'll happily do it. I just hope everyone else on the other side of this is willing to do the same when the offseason finishes up.

Has anyone in this thread guaranteed McNabb will be traded? There has been a lot of speculation that it *could* happen or that it would make sense. But certainly no reason to come back and eat crow if he's still here imo. Now maybe if he comes back and they win a championship it would appropriate. But certainly not if a trade doesn't happen.I haven't seen anyone post in sayng "McNabb will be traded, so I really don't see the point of belaboring the issue and having both sides argue over whether it's the right move. That's kind of like arguing over whether Obama should've been elected President. No matter what you voted, he IS the President. And McNabb WON'T BE the Eagles 2010 starter." Now that would be crow-eating worthy should a trade not go down.

And if there's one thing we should have learned after 11 years of Andy Reid its that we get nothing from his press conferences. You can not listen to his presser and come away with the feeling that we know what he or the organization is thinking.

 

[Amused to Death]

Fair point, and certainly what one feels the day after a major loss and what you feel when you're a few weeks removed from the emotional impact are quite different, even for coaches and GMs.

Actually the firing came 5 days after the loss.

 

[Zoomanji]

Anyone know the story with the Macho Harris injury?

 

[Billy Bats]

So where is Joe Banner hiding? When does he get taken to task about his proclamation about having the best roster in the league? Well your roster just got shellacked by the Cowboys two weeks in a row, would you like to comment on that, Joe? I would love to hear what you have to say about it.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

IHere's what we KNOW:*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy?

In his press conference on Monday, Andy said he did not think there would be any changes in the coaching staff. Yesterday he fired three coaches, including the special teams coordinator.I am not being critical of you or Andy Reid. I am justing pointing out that there are things that you can't be honest about in a post season press conference because they might mess up what you are trying to do. Like say your going to fire coaches or you are going to trade a specific player (McNabb).BTW, if April can cut down on special teams penalties, get Rocca to punt more consistently and figure out a way to not let Macho Harris return kickoffs, then the Eagles are already better in 2010 then they were in 2009. Nice hire, Andy.

Fair point, and certainly what one feels the day after a major loss and what you feel when you're a few weeks removed from the emotional impact are quite different, even for coaches and GMs. But I still think that the Reid/McNabb dynamic is the one true constant of this regime, and it would take either Andy leaving (which we know isn't happening) or Donovan publicly demanding a new situation b/c he wants (and doesn't get) an extension for this to be any more than fan conjecture. Time will tell. If McNabb is traded it won't be the first time I had to eat crow; and I'll happily do it. I just hope everyone else on the other side of this is willing to do the same when the offseason finishes up.

Do you think McNabb plays for the Eagles next season with his current contract?Do you think the Eagles give McNabb a multi-year extension?

 

[vinwinephans]

Reid Says QB Logjam Is A Good Problem

In his closing press conference to the 2009 season, head coach Andy Reid acknowledged that the Eagles have a logjam at quarterback heading into next season. Reid said that Donovan McNabb will be his starting quarterback in 2010, and McNabb joins Kevin Kolb and Michael Vick in a loaded position group. In a league that has increasingly become defined by quarterback play, Reid said that the Eagles' gluton of signal-callers is an advantage.

"I am very fortunate because there are a lot of head coaches who aren't getting these questions right here, in a serious way, that are really looking for good quarterbacks and I've got stinking three good quarterbacks that could play in this league," Reid said. "I respect that and feel very fortunate to be in that position. I don't want to give up any of them. I like them all. The more you have the better you are. That's a tough position to play.

"Can Kevin Kolb play in the National Football League? Absolutely. Can he be a starter in the National Football League? Absolutely. The other two guys have proven it and they've been top quarterbacks in this league for a number of years."

Reid stated unequivocally earlier in the press conference that McNabb would be his quarterback next season.

"I think he's a great player," Reid said of McNabb, who has been with Reid since they both joined the team in 1999. "I think his work over the last 11 years has proven that. I truly believe it's a team sport and it's not all about one guy."

He likes all 3. He thinks all 3 are capable of starting - 2 have proven it over an extended period of time.He drafted Donovan and he drafted Kolb. Kolb can be just as much a son/project as McNabb is. Kolb is capable of being linked to Reid just as much as McNabb is.

I believe Reid also implied McNabb should be willing to play next season on a 1 year deal - he already got a nice bump, I believe were the words.

I believe is fluffing up all three, trying to establishing their market value and are open to moving upto any 2 (Vick is always 1) of the 3 of them. They will do what is the best for the team overall - all things considered.

Consider that all 3 QB's going into next year on the last year of their contract? I think that is a crazy insane proposition from an organization standpoint.

Something will happen. Subtracting Vick from the equation, I think Kolb or McNabb have to move on this off-season because I think one of them needs to be extended.

It's not clear which way the Eagles will go. I think anything is possible. Personally I'd like to see Kolb get the chance to grow with Reid and this offense. I'd at least enjoy watching him develope as a player and potential future star. I've seen the McNabb story so many times and I hate watching reruns - it's why I enjoy sports more than reruns of sitcoms and movies. It may not be all McNabb's fault, but he is the star of the show and focal point. Time for a new batman.

 

[Jason Wood]

IHere's what we KNOW:*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy?

In his press conference on Monday, Andy said he did not think there would be any changes in the coaching staff. Yesterday he fired three coaches, including the special teams coordinator.I am not being critical of you or Andy Reid. I am justing pointing out that there are things that you can't be honest about in a post season press conference because they might mess up what you are trying to do. Like say your going to fire coaches or you are going to trade a specific player (McNabb).BTW, if April can cut down on special teams penalties, get Rocca to punt more consistently and figure out a way to not let Macho Harris return kickoffs, then the Eagles are already better in 2010 then they were in 2009. Nice hire, Andy.

Fair point, and certainly what one feels the day after a major loss and what you feel when you're a few weeks removed from the emotional impact are quite different, even for coaches and GMs. But I still think that the Reid/McNabb dynamic is the one true constant of this regime, and it would take either Andy leaving (which we know isn't happening) or Donovan publicly demanding a new situation b/c he wants (and doesn't get) an extension for this to be any more than fan conjecture. Time will tell. If McNabb is traded it won't be the first time I had to eat crow; and I'll happily do it. I just hope everyone else on the other side of this is willing to do the same when the offseason finishes up.

Do you think McNabb plays for the Eagles next season with his current contract?Do you think the Eagles give McNabb a multi-year extension?

I do think he plays for them next season, but I've said from jump street if McNabb starts griping about his deal then all bets are off.

 

[JuniorNB]

So where is Joe Banner hiding? When does he get taken to task about his proclamation about having the best roster in the league? Well your roster just got shellacked by the Cowboys two weeks in a row, would you like to comment on that, Joe? I would love to hear what you have to say about it.

I'm not really even aware of him making the statement, but might he have been counting Stewart Bradley, Jamaal Jackson, and Andrews when he said that?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

IHere's what we KNOW:*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy?

In his press conference on Monday, Andy said he did not think there would be any changes in the coaching staff. Yesterday he fired three coaches, including the special teams coordinator.I am not being critical of you or Andy Reid. I am justing pointing out that there are things that you can't be honest about in a post season press conference because they might mess up what you are trying to do. Like say your going to fire coaches or you are going to trade a specific player (McNabb).BTW, if April can cut down on special teams penalties, get Rocca to punt more consistently and figure out a way to not let Macho Harris return kickoffs, then the Eagles are already better in 2010 then they were in 2009. Nice hire, Andy.

Fair point, and certainly what one feels the day after a major loss and what you feel when you're a few weeks removed from the emotional impact are quite different, even for coaches and GMs. But I still think that the Reid/McNabb dynamic is the one true constant of this regime, and it would take either Andy leaving (which we know isn't happening) or Donovan publicly demanding a new situation b/c he wants (and doesn't get) an extension for this to be any more than fan conjecture. Time will tell. If McNabb is traded it won't be the first time I had to eat crow; and I'll happily do it. I just hope everyone else on the other side of this is willing to do the same when the offseason finishes up.

Do you think McNabb plays for the Eagles next season with his current contract?Do you think the Eagles give McNabb a multi-year extension?

I do think he plays for them next season, but I've said from jump street if McNabb starts griping about his deal then all bets are off.

Thats not my question. I want to know if you think he plays under his current contract.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Sorry I've been away for so long, but in all honesty I didn't have much to report.

Anyway, my guy is really sweating about the next few months. Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.

As for the draft, expect DE, LB and S to be hit hard. My buddy says he was physically sickened watching the defense play at times. They think they can be ok at O-line as there is some guys who will be coming back from injury, but don't be shocked if they go O-line in the second.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Sorry I've been away for so long, but in all honesty I didn't have much to report. Anyway, my guy is really sweating about the next few months. Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.As for the draft, expect DE, LB and S to be hit hard. My buddy says he was physically sickened watching the defense play at times. They think they can be ok at O-line as there is some guys who will be coming back from injury, but don't be shocked if they go O-line in the second.

and Welcome Back!! DH..........Even if it is just a small update, it all helps.Thanks for the info and if the above all happens, I'm glad to hear it regarding the draft. I fully expect 2 QBs to be dealt as well. There aren't 32 starting QBs in the NFL and for Philly to have 3 viable ones, a trade HAS to happen.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Sorry I've been away for so long, but in all honesty I didn't have much to report. Anyway, my guy is really sweating about the next few months. Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.As for the draft, expect DE, LB and S to be hit hard. My buddy says he was physically sickened watching the defense play at times. They think they can be ok at O-line as there is some guys who will be coming back from injury, but don't be shocked if they go O-line in the second.

and Welcome Back!! DH..........Even if it is just a small update, it all helps.Thanks for the info and if the above all happens, I'm glad to hear it regarding the draft. I fully expect 2 QBs to be dealt as well. There aren't 32 starting QBs in the NFL and for Philly to have 3 viable ones, a trade HAS to happen.

They really think they can get a 2nd for Vick. I kinda think so too.

 

[delusional]

I dont care who is at QB, unless the game plan and all that is changed, expect the same results.

This is why i think McNabb will be here the next 3 years ( or rest of andy's tenure ) while Kolb is dealt.

New OC is brought in & he gets a shot at HIS qb in the draft next season.

Vick @ best a 3rd. I see him as a 4th.

Kolb & McNabb, they would be package picks, like this and next years draft type picks. I don't see who can use McNabb right now cept maybe 49ers.

More teams could use a Kolb

 

[Amused to Death]

Sorry I've been away for so long, but in all honesty I didn't have much to report. Anyway, my guy is really sweating about the next few months. Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.As for the draft, expect DE, LB and S to be hit hard. My buddy says he was physically sickened watching the defense play at times. They think they can be ok at O-line as there is some guys who will be coming back from injury, but don't be shocked if they go O-line in the second.

Thank you very much DH. Hope all works out well for your guy. As many of us have speculated its sure to be an interesting off season with a lot to be determined. IMO, that's great news about Vick. That's over 5mil that can be invested in the defense/OL and I'd be thrilled if they can get a 2nd for him. I think that was their plan all along to bring him in, let him show something and flip him for a pick.

 

[delusional]

Sorry I've been away for so long, but in all honesty I didn't have much to report. Anyway, my guy is really sweating about the next few months. Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.As for the draft, expect DE, LB and S to be hit hard. My buddy says he was physically sickened watching the defense play at times. They think they can be ok at O-line as there is some guys who will be coming back from injury, but don't be shocked if they go O-line in the second.

Thank you very much DH. Hope all works out well for your guy. As many of us have speculated its sure to be an interesting off season with a lot to be determined. IMO, that's great news about Vick. That's over 5mil that can be invested in the defense/OL and I'd be thrilled if they can get a 2nd for him. I think that was their plan all along to bring him in, let him show something and flip him for a pick.

Yep, im surprised more people didnt realize this ( about flipping vick ). Just weird how they went about it because they didn't play him enough imho to really show him off.

 

[Amused to Death]

Sorry I've been away for so long, but in all honesty I didn't have much to report.

Anyway, my guy is really sweating about the next few months. Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.

As for the draft, expect DE, LB and S to be hit hard. My buddy says he was physically sickened watching the defense play at times. They think they can be ok at O-line as there is some guys who will be coming back from injury, but don't be shocked if they go O-line in the second.

Thank you very much DH. Hope all works out well for your guy. As many of us have speculated its sure to be an interesting off season with a lot to be determined. IMO, that's great news about Vick. That's over 5mil that can be invested in the defense/OL and I'd be thrilled if they can get a 2nd for him. I think that was their plan all along to bring him in, let him show something and flip him for a pick.

Yep, im surprised more people didnt realize this ( about flipping vick ). Just weird how they went about it because they didn't play him enough imho to really show him off.

I think Donovan was against it

 

[Amused to Death]

*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy? *** There's never been any reason to think what Andy says about Donovan isn't 100% true

Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.

I think we now have reason to think what Andy says about Donovan isn't 100% true. I wonder if GCobb, Beasley or Vai know DH's guy?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

*** I'm not sure why we should dismiss Andy's presser, but not talking heads who aren't Andy? *** There's never been any reason to think what Andy says about Donovan isn't 100% true

Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.

I think we now have reason to think what Andy says about Donovan isn't 100% true. I wonder if GCobb, Beasley or Vai know DH's guy?

It is all about being pragmatic - there's no way that anyone should blindly believe whatever an organization says about any player prior to the trading period. It's all positioning and posturing to maximize value and get the best they can for every player / asset that they may move.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Sorry I've been away for so long, but in all honesty I didn't have much to report. Anyway, my guy is really sweating about the next few months. Everything isn't all peaches and cream like Reid would like you to think. Expect TWO of the three QBs the Eagles have to be dealt. Vick is gone for sure, but there seems to be some discussion as to who the other traded QB will be. Kolb have some powerful allies in the organization right now and it would not shock me in the least if he were the starter next year. In fact, were I a betting man, I would bet Kolb as the Eagles starter week 1.As for the draft, expect DE, LB and S to be hit hard. My buddy says he was physically sickened watching the defense play at times. They think they can be ok at O-line as there is some guys who will be coming back from injury, but don't be shocked if they go O-line in the second.

Thank you very much DH. Hope all works out well for your guy. As many of us have speculated its sure to be an interesting off season with a lot to be determined. IMO, that's great news about Vick. That's over 5mil that can be invested in the defense/OL and I'd be thrilled if they can get a 2nd for him. I think that was their plan all along to bring him in, let him show something and flip him for a pick.

Yep, im surprised more people didnt realize this ( about flipping vick ). Just weird how they went about it because they didn't play him enough imho to really show him off.

With Vick, I think the big thing the Eagles did was take the PR hit. That means a lot. There were a few team that wanted him, but didn't want to gamble their fan base would accept a guy like Vick. A team with a strong, passionate fanbase like Philly, Dallas, GB, Pit, etc can take that gamble since they know that they'll sell out the stadium every Sunday even if OJ Simpson came back to play RB for them.

 

[Jason Wood]

Nice to see you in the thread DH. And also worthwhile color that it's a mixed board room when it comes to McNabb vs. Kolb. The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy. Are you hearing anything that suggests whether the Eagles are going to make McNabb make the decision for them? I.e., tell him flat out he's not getting an extension and then see if he balks at that?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy.

He drafts Kolb while McNabb is in his prime. He then benches McNabb last year. This year Kolb comes into his offense twice and lights it up by showing quite a bit of accuracy, touch and ability to get rid of the ball. He then watches his franchise QB come up rather lame in the two most important games at the end of the season. Now add that McNabb wanted a contract extension at the start of last season but only received a raise and a guaranteed year instead of a long term commitment and that he is going into his last season on that contract. Not sure what else you have to see but IMO it looks like there is quite a bit of writing on the wall.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Nice to see you in the thread DH. And also worthwhile color that it's a mixed board room when it comes to McNabb vs. Kolb. The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy. Are you hearing anything that suggests whether the Eagles are going to make McNabb make the decision for them? I.e., tell him flat out he's not getting an extension and then see if he balks at that?

I should have been more clear about this in my post: The reason my guy thinks Kolb will be QB next year is because they expect McNabb to demand an extention. In fact, they're almost certain of it. Remember, minus the two games in Dallas, this was statistically one of his best years.

 

[JetMaxx]

Good stuff DH. Nice to have you back.

Personally I can't see McNabb forcing this situation. But from both sides I wonder what the lack of a CBA in 2011 will play into all of this.

 

[dhockster]

I dont care who is at QB, unless the game plan and all that is changed, expect the same results.This is why i think McNabb will be here the next 3 years ( or rest of andy's tenure ) while Kolb is dealt. New OC is brought in & he gets a shot at HIS qb in the draft next season.Vick @ best a 3rd. I see him as a 4th.Kolb & McNabb, they would be package picks, like this and next years draft type picks. I don't see who can use McNabb right now cept maybe 49ers.More teams could use a Kolb

My take is if the Eagles go with Kolb, Andy runs a more traditional west coast offense like he did when Garcia came played in 2006. The run/pass balance will be much better with McCoy (and if healthy, Westbrook) and Weaver getting more work. More quick slants to Jackson and Maclin which will make it hard for teams to give them too much of a cushion. This will make the deep ball effective. Celek could have a huge year. All this depends on the line being healthy. If you look at what the offense did this year, with the turmoil on the offensive line, it really is amazing we scored as much as we did.I am not saying it is going to happen, but this offense could be scary good if Kolb can be effective in the west coast offense the way it looked in his two games this year.

 

[delusional]

watch if he goes with kolb, he will switch the offense up that doesnt cater kolb...like he did all these years with mcnabb

 

[Mighty Mice]

I like KK a bunch, and believe he has a proming future. However, it is worth pointing out that his two statistically stellar performances came against the woeful Chiefs D and in garbage time against the Saints. (Maybe "garbage time" stretches the point a little, but the Eagles were down big and threw a ton. Kind of inflated #'s, IMO).

Similarly, I did not feel his 2nd half against the Ravens in 2008 was a fair assessment either.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I like KK a bunch, and believe he has a proming future. However, it is worth pointing out that his two statistically stellar performances came against the woeful Chiefs D and in garbage time against the Saints. (Maybe "garbage time" stretches the point a little, but the Eagles were down big and threw a ton. Kind of inflated #'s, IMO).Similarly, I did not feel his 2nd half against the Ravens in 2008 was a fair assessment either.

Yes lets point out that Kevin Kolb only has two starts under his belt and they were against very poor defenses. Lets also point out in his career starts he only had a 65% completion percentage, threw for over 700 yards, had 4 TD's along with 3 picks and averaged .5 sacks per game. Color me optimistic but that seems like a pretty incredible way to start ones career.

 

[Mighty Mice]

I like KK a bunch, and believe he has a proming future. However, it is worth pointing out that his two statistically stellar performances came against the woeful Chiefs D and in garbage time against the Saints. (Maybe "garbage time" stretches the point a little, but the Eagles were down big and threw a ton. Kind of inflated #'s, IMO).Similarly, I did not feel his 2nd half against the Ravens in 2008 was a fair assessment either.

Yes lets point out that Kevin Kolb only has two starts under his belt and they were against very poor defenses. Lets also point out in his career starts he only had a 65% completion percentage, threw for over 700 yards, had 4 TD's along with 3 picks and averaged .5 sacks per game. Color me optimistic but that seems like a pretty incredible way to start ones career.

As long as you also mention he has a .500 record as a starter and 7 INTs in 130 pass attempts. Also, he was sacked 3 times in his two starts, so that's 1.5 per game, not .5His 2009 passer rating was 88.9. Mcnabb's was 92.9. I like KK as a starter. I think he can be excellent. I'm not ready for the annoiting oils just yet.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I like KK a bunch, and believe he has a proming future. However, it is worth pointing out that his two statistically stellar performances came against the woeful Chiefs D and in garbage time against the Saints. (Maybe "garbage time" stretches the point a little, but the Eagles were down big and threw a ton. Kind of inflated #'s, IMO).Similarly, I did not feel his 2nd half against the Ravens in 2008 was a fair assessment either.

Yes lets point out that Kevin Kolb only has two starts under his belt and they were against very poor defenses. Lets also point out in his career starts he only had a 65% completion percentage, threw for over 700 yards, had 4 TD's along with 3 picks and averaged .5 sacks per game. Color me optimistic but that seems like a pretty incredible way to start ones career.

As long as you also mention he has a .500 record as a starter and 7 INTs in 130 pass attempts. Also, he was sacked 3 times in his two starts, so that's 1.5 per game, not .5His 2009 passer rating was 88.9. Mcnabb's was 92.9. I like KK as a starter. I think he can be excellent. I'm not ready for the annoiting oils just yet.

He was not sacked 3 times in his two starts. He was sacked once, the other two came from the Carolina game. Any way, the fact that you can compare a QB with two career starts vs a 10 year vet says it all.

 

[Mighty Mice]

I like KK a bunch, and believe he has a proming future. However, it is worth pointing out that his two statistically stellar performances came against the woeful Chiefs D and in garbage time against the Saints. (Maybe "garbage time" stretches the point a little, but the Eagles were down big and threw a ton. Kind of inflated #'s, IMO).Similarly, I did not feel his 2nd half against the Ravens in 2008 was a fair assessment either.

Yes lets point out that Kevin Kolb only has two starts under his belt and they were against very poor defenses. Lets also point out in his career starts he only had a 65% completion percentage, threw for over 700 yards, had 4 TD's along with 3 picks and averaged .5 sacks per game. Color me optimistic but that seems like a pretty incredible way to start ones career.

As long as you also mention he has a .500 record as a starter and 7 INTs in 130 pass attempts. Also, he was sacked 3 times in his two starts, so that's 1.5 per game, not .5His 2009 passer rating was 88.9. Mcnabb's was 92.9. I like KK as a starter. I think he can be excellent. I'm not ready for the annoiting oils just yet.

He was not sacked 3 times in his two starts. He was sacked once, the other two came from the Carolina game. Any way, the fact that you can compare a QB with two career starts vs a 10 year vet says it all.

Any comparison is premature, IMO, and definately not an equal one. TD/INT: Kolb 4-3; McNabb 22-10Win-Loss (%): Kolb 1-1 (.500); McNabb .714 (10-4)Pass Rating: Kolb 88.9; McNabb 92.9Not saying Kolb can't be the guy here in 2010, but is he better NOW? I really don't know the answer to that.

 

[CaptainHook]

watch if he goes with kolb, he will switch the offense up that doesnt cater kolb...like he did all these years with mcnabb

LOL I never considered this but I guess it would follow the precedent

 

[bweiser]

anyone else starting to look back at this season and wonder just how good the eagles really were? i am. the more you look at the schedule, the easier it looks. outside the division they played the nfc south (one good team), the afc west (one good team), the bears (not good) and the 49ers (good defense, bad QB). i don't know. i think next year is going to be a heck of a lot tougher. the eagles didnt' beat a playoff team this year. they got blown out 4 times (though they came back vs. san diego to at least make the final score respectable) by 3 playoff teams (including the playoff game).

 

[dhockster]

anyone else starting to look back at this season and wonder just how good the eagles really were? i am. the more you look at the schedule, the easier it looks. outside the division they played the nfc south (one good team), the afc west (one good team), the bears (not good) and the 49ers (good defense, bad QB). i don't know. i think next year is going to be a heck of a lot tougher. the eagles didnt' beat a playoff team this year. they got blown out 4 times (though they came back vs. san diego to at least make the final score respectable) by 3 playoff teams (including the playoff game).

Yes, they probably got a break on their schedule this year, but they were very unlucky with injuries. If you were to tell me that the Eagles O-line was going to have the injuries they had, along with adding new people, and still score a record number of points even though they got shutout the last game of the season, I would have said you were crazy.Their schedule will get tougher next year, but they hopefully will not have as many injuries, and thus field a better team.

 

[babydemon90]

outside of QB, they are a very young team, especially at the skill positions. Expecting them to be dominant is expecting too much, imho. I think they had a pretty good season, all thing considered. Do expect them to make strides next year and continuing.

 

[Jason Wood]

Nice to see you in the thread DH. And also worthwhile color that it's a mixed board room when it comes to McNabb vs. Kolb. The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy. Are you hearing anything that suggests whether the Eagles are going to make McNabb make the decision for them? I.e., tell him flat out he's not getting an extension and then see if he balks at that?

I should have been more clear about this in my post: The reason my guy thinks Kolb will be QB next year is because they expect McNabb to demand an extention. In fact, they're almost certain of it. Remember, minus the two games in Dallas, this was statistically one of his best years.

That makes a ton of sense. All things being equal, McNabb is the QB next year. But if he asks or more directly demands an extension, then all bets are off (and I'll be )

 

[ReggieHammond]

Nice to see you in the thread DH. And also worthwhile color that it's a mixed board room when it comes to McNabb vs. Kolb. The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy. Are you hearing anything that suggests whether the Eagles are going to make McNabb make the decision for them? I.e., tell him flat out he's not getting an extension and then see if he balks at that?

I should have been more clear about this in my post: The reason my guy thinks Kolb will be QB next year is because they expect McNabb to demand an extention. In fact, they're almost certain of it. Remember, minus the two games in Dallas, this was statistically one of his best years.

That makes a ton of sense. All things being equal, McNabb is the QB next year. But if he asks or more directly demands an extension, then all bets are off (and I'll be )

As DH alluded to the chance of McNabb not wanting an extentsion is pretty slim IMO. If he plays next season without an extentsion and happens to suffer a serious injury it would probably be career over, what team would want to sign a QB in his mid-30's coming off a serious injury? With his heir apparent all ready waiting in the wings trading McNabb now makes too much sense for both him and the Eagles for it not to happen IMO. I would surprised if Kolb is not starting week 1 next season.

 

[Amused to Death]

Nice to see you in the thread DH. And also worthwhile color that it's a mixed board room when it comes to McNabb vs. Kolb. The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy. Are you hearing anything that suggests whether the Eagles are going to make McNabb make the decision for them? I.e., tell him flat out he's not getting an extension and then see if he balks at that?

I should have been more clear about this in my post: The reason my guy thinks Kolb will be QB next year is because they expect McNabb to demand an extention. In fact, they're almost certain of it. Remember, minus the two games in Dallas, this was statistically one of his best years.

That makes a ton of sense. All things being equal, McNabb is the QB next year. But if he asks or more directly demands an extension, then all bets are off (and I'll be :( )

As DH alluded to the chance of McNabb not wanting an extentsion is pretty slim IMO. If he plays next season without an extentsion and happens to suffer a serious injury it would probably be career over, what team would want to sign a QB in his mid-30's coming off a serious injury? With his heir apparent all ready waiting in the wings trading McNabb now makes too much sense for both him and the Eagles for it not to happen IMO. I would surprised if Kolb is not starting week 1 next season.

To me it sounds like they're willing to let McNabb play out his last season as a lame-duck QB and let him walk after that. I guess they have no interest in extending him for a few more years. Should that happen the Eagles end up getting nothing for him. I also wonder at what point would Reid go to Kolb as a permanent QB switch. If they start say 2-4, 3-5 and McNabb has a couple of bad games would Reid make the switch knowing McNabb's gone anyway? If they lose the first week it could get real ugly with fans (and maybe some front office guys?) calling for Kolb.But as DH alluded to, seems the team is prepared for McNabb to squawk and they go into '10 with Kolb anyway. Which from a franchise standpoint makes sense so the future of the team gets a jump a year early. I wonder if the team is willing to speed up the process after seeing the success of Flacco, Ryan, Rodgers & now Sanchez (who's even doing it with a rookie HC).So DH, does your guy seem to think that the team is going to be committed to Kolb long term or do they start looking elsewhere (vet FA, draft)? Are they willing to extend KK this offseason should that issue come up?

 

[twally]

Pulled this off the Eagles message board for what it's worth... Came from someone who works for the Eagles???

Mcnabb- He will be shopped this off-season and can be had for the right price. They anticipate Mcnabb will push hard for an extension behind he scenes and it will leak to the media causing drama that will lead to the trade. He said Reid already laid the groundwork in the media saying Donovan will be back and that he got more money last year so that playing out his contract won't be a problem. After he said that I went back to find a quote and found this

QUOTE

McNabb, 33, would be playing in the final year of a contract that was revised last June. He indicated Saturday night, after the horrific, 34-14 wild-card-round playoff loss in Dallas, that he is not actively seeking an extension but certainly would be open to discussing one.

"I will get on that down the road as we go," Reid said. "He got a nice little kick for the next few years here in salary. I don't think that will be a problem."

That will be Reid's out for saying Mcnabb will be the starter in 2010 as he didn't think it would be a problem at the time he made the statement.

He also mentioned if the market is not hot for Mcnabb, and Mcnabb doesn't bring up extension talks (which he believes is unlikely on both parts) that the eagles would let Mcnabb play out his contract. He said there is no scenario where Mcnabb gets extended without a CBA in place. They don't want to pay him major dollars and then have no football in 2011.

Vick- Can be had for the right price, but the eagles will keep him if the price isn't right. Reid is very high and him and if Mcnabb is traded he is very likely to be retained. Reid loves the idea of expanded Vick packages as seen VS the chiefs in week 3 especially after a year in the system and a full off-season of practice. Also, is a good option if Kolb should get injured.

Kolb- has been assured he is the future of the team and will be given the keys by 2011 the latest.

Peppers- If he isn't tagged he will be signed by the eagles first day of free agency.

We will see how right or wrong he is.

 

[Amused to Death]

Pulled this off the Eagles message board for what it's worth... Came from someone who works for the Eagles???

Mcnabb- He will be shopped this off-season and can be had for the right price. They anticipate Mcnabb will push hard for an extension behind he scenes and it will leak to the media causing drama that will lead to the trade.

Watch for some news from his buddy Michael Smith at ESPN.

 

[Billy Bats]

Nice to see you in the thread DH. And also worthwhile color that it's a mixed board room when it comes to McNabb vs. Kolb. The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy. Are you hearing anything that suggests whether the Eagles are going to make McNabb make the decision for them? I.e., tell him flat out he's not getting an extension and then see if he balks at that?

I should have been more clear about this in my post: The reason my guy thinks Kolb will be QB next year is because they expect McNabb to demand an extention. In fact, they're almost certain of it. Remember, minus the two games in Dallas, this was statistically one of his best years.

That makes a ton of sense. All things being equal, McNabb is the QB next year. But if he asks or more directly demands an extension, then all bets are off (and I'll be :( )

As DH alluded to the chance of McNabb not wanting an extentsion is pretty slim IMO. If he plays next season without an extentsion and happens to suffer a serious injury it would probably be career over, what team would want to sign a QB in his mid-30's coming off a serious injury? With his heir apparent all ready waiting in the wings trading McNabb now makes too much sense for both him and the Eagles for it not to happen IMO. I would surprised if Kolb is not starting week 1 next season.

Nothing personal to anyone posting but all this talk about McNabb wanting an extension isn't quite earthshattering news. Name me one QB that has ever entered into, and played in his last year of a contact? Doesn't happen. I assumed it would happen months ago, and it will happen soon enough. ETA: McNabb will ask for an extension soon enough, not necessarily getting it.

 

[None_More_Black]

Nice to see you in the thread DH. And also worthwhile color that it's a mixed board room when it comes to McNabb vs. Kolb. The question is, what does ANDY think though, because to be honest, whichever QB he prefers is the one that's starting. And I'm not sure I've seen or heard anything to suggest McNabb isn't that guy. Are you hearing anything that suggests whether the Eagles are going to make McNabb make the decision for them? I.e., tell him flat out he's not getting an extension and then see if he balks at that?

I should have been more clear about this in my post: The reason my guy thinks Kolb will be QB next year is because they expect McNabb to demand an extention. In fact, they're almost certain of it. Remember, minus the two games in Dallas, this was statistically one of his best years.

That makes a ton of sense. All things being equal, McNabb is the QB next year. But if he asks or more directly demands an extension, then all bets are off (and I'll be :( )

As DH alluded to the chance of McNabb not wanting an extentsion is pretty slim IMO. If he plays next season without an extentsion and happens to suffer a serious injury it would probably be career over, what team would want to sign a QB in his mid-30's coming off a serious injury? With his heir apparent all ready waiting in the wings trading McNabb now makes too much sense for both him and the Eagles for it not to happen IMO. I would surprised if Kolb is not starting week 1 next season.

Nothing personal to anyone posting but all this talk about McNabb wanting an extension isn't quite earthshattering news. Name me one QB that has ever entered into, and played in his last year of a contact? Doesn't happen. I assumed it would happen months ago, and it will happen soon enough. ETA: McNabb will ask for an extension soon enough, not necessarily getting it.

I agree. I highly doubt Mcnabb will play on a one year deal, probably forcing the Eagles to trade him.