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Come on. It's hard to tell from the angle, but still looks outside. Maybe it looks close because the first 3 balls were way outside.
Well - a lot of peOple are kids to me - yes I realize he has been in the league for 12 years - and his stuff changed in St Louis - he became a pitcher.
No they are not
Its pretty much impossible to come up with a package with enough value to move Stanton right now. He isn't arb eligible until 2014 and is under team control until 2017. He put up 4.5 WAR in 150 games of 2011 and 5.8 WAR in 123 games of 2012. Lets say he's *just* a 5 win player over the average of his team controlled years, the cost of a win averages $6M, and he gets fair value from arbitration. Thats $30M in value in 2013, $18M in 2014, $12M in 2015, and $6M value in 2016. Conservatively, thats $66M in value over the life of his team control. Admittedly, the knees are a concern, but there is no farm system out there that can produce that kind of return value right now. So you'd be talking about sending over cost controlled major leaguers too. I've yet to see a non-ridiculous trade scenario for Stanton.
He's still asking for too much apparently and this doesn't help:
Tigers can go into season with Benoit and Rondon and can also use Villarreal and Al Al if they went CBC. Then trade for someone at the deadline I suppose, but they don't absolutely need anyone.
Matt Capps?
Whiteside DFAed by the Rangers to make room for Jason Frasor (1/$1.5M)
Time for one for the thumb.
This hinges almost entirely on how (and when) Soria comes back. Frasor and Lindblom are just guys unless Mike Maddux can do something with them.
IF the Tigers really want him there IS a workaround the rules ... not sure they could get Cleveland to co-operate since they are in the same decision but the Indians could pick up a nice prospect by doing a sign and trade with Soriano & the Tigers - their 1st round pick is Protected (top ten) so they would lose a lower pick (in this case a 3rd rounder) so IF Detroit is willing to trade a prospect better than what Cleveland would get in the third it would help both teams.
Interesting. Why the Indians in particular though?
Because they currently are the only team that will lose a 3rd round pick (instead of a 1st or 2nd round pick) if they sign Soriano.
You miss 2011? He can still hit, just gotta keep his knees healthy.
You miss 2012? The guy is old and injury prone
Which is why he will DH 90% of the time. Not crazy about the dollars, but you can't beat a one year deal and hope you can pull another Vlad 2010 out of the hat. I've always liked Berkman. Will be fun to root for him this year.
ok my original comment was about the dollars though
The man wanted to retire. If the Rangers wanted him for one year as a DH, they were going to have to pay him full value.I know you're probably bitter because he was dealing with a bum knee the half season he spent with New York, but this really isn't an outrageous amount of money on a short term contract for one of the generations' best hitters. He's injury prone, but he's not that old and he can still mash when his knees are right. If playing DH allows him to stay healthy, Texas will most likely enjoy the return they get on this investment.
Get over myself? What are you talking about?Lay some facts on me then. I'm trying to understand your position. What contract did Berkman deserve in your eyes?
Berkman's OPS the past 2006-2011 vs LHP (I'm omitting last year as he only had 8 games vs lhp)765755847677744His slugging percentage was under 420 in all of those years except 2009He's not much better than replacement level as a RH batter, and hasn't been in almost a decadeSo basically, the Rangers are paying 10 million bucks for a platoon dh with shot knees and will be 37 before the season starts.Not really a great signing, imho. Yeah, it's just a one year deal, so maybe they catch lightning in a bottle for half a season or so, but expecting him to worth even half that contract when August/September roll around is a bit of a stretch.there you go.'RnR said:
Appreciate the substantial reply, but that was really a homework assignment for shady. He's awesome at making sweeping generalizations with no real rhyme or reason behind them. The ultimate one-line know-it-all. All you did was give him fuel for another one-line drive-by to piggy back off your research and drop a few "lmao" comments. Your concerns on the platoon split are fair, although I think it is also fair to point out the following:OPS+ vs. RHP pitching over the same time period:2012: 1302011: 1682010: 1262009: 1532008: 170And considering that 77% of his 2393 PA's over that time period (quite a few for a guy so "injury prone") came against as a LH hitter, that's the side we should be concerned with. Also, considering he's 37 with cranky knees, it is fair to say that 75% of potential AB's is probably a realistic goal for this season. If used appropriately with a guy like Mike Olt chewing up much of his time off as a RH hitter against lefties, then you're going to see a very good output from the Rangers' DH spot.
... and I disagreed with you... on the internet... and you told me to get over myself. If your feathers are ruffled over that, who is taking the internet too seriously? I am laughing my ### off all the time on these forums. That doesn't mean I can't call your half-baked BS out for what it is in the baseball forum.
Dude you called me bitter over his half season with the ynkees? Do u really think that had anything to do with my comment?
with Scott Boras as his agent? Not bloodly likely - what they might be able to get is a one year deal for $15 mil
Only if the deal includes a clause preventing them from making a qualifying offer next season. I have a feeling thats going to become a popular demand.
There's a daily baseball prospectus podcast (Effectively Wild), ESPN Baseball today, Fangraphs has a daily podcast, there's a few.
Unfortunately the Rays are too, and they have a loaded system.Yankees very interested in mike morse. Im shadyridr and i approve this message
Thanks I'll check these out.
I look at it like the Olympics. Gold medals given via voting mean less to me than those vs a clock or 2 teams playing.
Also loved Harold mocking him with that.
