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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (1 Viewer)

Am I the only one who doesn't like Edwin Jackson? How does this guy get 50+mm over 4 years?
Hes decent. Eats innings. Keeps his team in most games. A decent #3, great #4 starter. Unfortunately, thats how much #3 starters get now. Insane. He reminds me of AJ Burnett. Keeps his team in the game for 20 starts, dominates in 5 starts, and absolutely gets obliterated in 5 starts
Agree about Jackson. I enjoyed having him in the Nats' rotation last year, right up until his NLDS start.I don't understand this idea that the money is "insane" or even unfortunate. The money is there. The sport is thriving. Obviously we'd all rather it go to keeping stadium beer prices down, but that's not gonna happen, and if it's not gonna happen I'd rather it be in Edwin Jackson's pockets than Tom Ricketts'.What's "insane" is the system that allows them to pay players such a small fraction of their market value through most of their best years. That's why they have so much money on hand for the old guys- because they're screwing the young guys.
 
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Am I the only one who doesn't like Edwin Jackson? How does this guy get 50+mm over 4 years?
He's great unless you are expecting him to come up big in the clutch. After what he did with my team I was happy to see him go and when they discussed him as an option coming back this year, I was not pleased. For the Cubs, he's a good fit and plus now I don't feel so bad about the Tigers giving Anibal all that :moneybag:
 
Tom Gorzelanny signs two year deal with the Brew Crew. If you can't be good, being left-handed is the next best thing.

 
Terrible trade for LA. Vargas is Nick Blackburn in a bigger park.
Vargas is not good. However, not good pitchers are still getting huge contracts (its crazy). Also, Angels rotation is dreadful. They lost Greinke, Santana, and Haren and Wilson is coming off surgery. I understand the trade from their perspective but I agree, Vargas was a stud in SEA, terrible everywhere else.
Stud is a bit much. I'd say "innings eater". Also they got Juddzilla Blanton and Tommy Hanson. WeaverWilsonHansonVargasBlantonHardly dreadful. See the Twins for dreadful.
 
Terrible trade for LA. Vargas is Nick Blackburn in a bigger park.
Vargas is not good. However, not good pitchers are still getting huge contracts (its crazy). Also, Angels rotation is dreadful. They lost Greinke, Santana, and Haren and Wilson is coming off surgery. I understand the trade from their perspective but I agree, Vargas was a stud in SEA, terrible everywhere else.
Stud is a bit much. I'd say "innings eater". Also they got Juddzilla Blanton and Tommy Hanson. WeaverWilsonHansonVargasBlantonHardly dreadful. See the Twins for dreadful.
Moreno should just yell out "YOLO" and move the fences in 25 feet.
 
Terrible trade for LA. Vargas is Nick Blackburn in a bigger park.
Vargas is not good. However, not good pitchers are still getting huge contracts (its crazy). Also, Angels rotation is dreadful. They lost Greinke, Santana, and Haren and Wilson is coming off surgery. I understand the trade from their perspective but I agree, Vargas was a stud in SEA, terrible everywhere else.
Stud is a bit much. I'd say "innings eater". Also they got Juddzilla Blanton and Tommy Hanson. WeaverWilsonHansonVargasBlantonHardly dreadful. See the Twins for dreadful.
It may not be dreadful but it's hardly good. Weaver is an ace. Wilson is good. I have zero faith in Hanson. He was worth the gamble at such a low cost but he looked lousy last year and I see no reason to think this year will be much different. Vargas/Blanton are mediocre inning eaters. The best thing the Angels have going for them are the Rangers getting worse and Oakland having a lot of guys potentially regress. They had one of the best offenses in baseball last year and need to be just as good - if not better - to have a reasonable chance at making the playoffs, nevermind going past round 1. I don't see how this pitching staff is better than last year. They replaced Haren and Santana with Vargas/Blanton. Big whoop. They lost half a season or so of Greinke and instead get Hanson. Is Sean Burnett and Ryan Madson going to make that big a difference?
 
Terrible trade for LA. Vargas is Nick Blackburn in a bigger park.
Vargas is not good. However, not good pitchers are still getting huge contracts (its crazy). Also, Angels rotation is dreadful. They lost Greinke, Santana, and Haren and Wilson is coming off surgery. I understand the trade from their perspective but I agree, Vargas was a stud in SEA, terrible everywhere else.
Stud is a bit much. I'd say "innings eater". Also they got Juddzilla Blanton and Tommy Hanson. WeaverWilsonHansonVargasBlantonHardly dreadful. See the Twins for dreadful.
It may not be dreadful but it's hardly good. Weaver is an ace. Wilson is good. I have zero faith in Hanson. He was worth the gamble at such a low cost but he looked lousy last year and I see no reason to think this year will be much different. Vargas/Blanton are mediocre inning eaters. The best thing the Angels have going for them are the Rangers getting worse and Oakland having a lot of guys potentially regress. They had one of the best offenses in baseball last year and need to be just as good - if not better - to have a reasonable chance at making the playoffs, nevermind going past round 1. I don't see how this pitching staff is better than last year. They replaced Haren and Santana with Vargas/Blanton. Big whoop. They lost half a season or so of Greinke and instead get Hanson. Is Sean Burnett and Ryan Madson going to make that big a difference?
I assume Anaheim will try to acquire pitching at the deadline so the half season of Greinke should be replaced by a comparable rental. Santana was horrible so it's addition by subtraction. Vargas and Blanton have less upside than a healthy Haren but should be capable of taking the ball every fifth day. It's not a great rotation but they have some options with their front five plus Garrett Richards and Jerome Williams. Whether it'll be good enough to win depends a lot on Wilson and Hanson. They're big wild cards that could fall anywhere on the spectrum between very good and completely worthless.They'll hit though.
 
Terrible trade for LA. Vargas is Nick Blackburn in a bigger park.
Vargas is not good. However, not good pitchers are still getting huge contracts (its crazy). Also, Angels rotation is dreadful. They lost Greinke, Santana, and Haren and Wilson is coming off surgery. I understand the trade from their perspective but I agree, Vargas was a stud in SEA, terrible everywhere else.
Stud is a bit much. I'd say "innings eater". Also they got Juddzilla Blanton and Tommy Hanson. Weaver

Wilson

Hanson

Vargas

Blanton

Hardly dreadful. See the Twins for dreadful.
:lmao: amazing

 
Placido Polanco to Miami for 1/$2.75M. Nothing says building for the future like signing a 35 year old OF and a 37 year old IF to hit at the top of the order.

 
E-Jax signs with Cubbies for 4 years, 52 mil. Also sign Carlos Villanueva. (all per CSN's Cubs beat writer Patrick Mooney)
Garza, Samardzija, Feldman, Jackson and Villanueva isn't terrible
Plus Scott Baker when he gets healthy.
and Arodys Vizcaino
Indeed. Totally forgot that they got him in the Maholm deal.
Add Baker and Vizcaino to the mix and suddenly, that doesn't look bad at all...sad as that is to admit as a Cards fan. :kicksrock:
 
E-Jax signs with Cubbies for 4 years, 52 mil. Also sign Carlos Villanueva. (all per CSN's Cubs beat writer Patrick Mooney)
Garza, Samardzija, Feldman, Jackson and Villanueva isn't terrible
not bad at all
It is good but they will have to be really good in 2013 because runs will be at a premium.Kudos to Theo.
:thumbup:It's only been a year, and things are already starting to look up.
 
Yankees Trade Scenarios: Is Joe Mauer the Big Offseason Splash N.Y. Needs?

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The Yankees have a busy offseason ahead of them, with three offensive regulars (Russell Martin, Nick Swisher and Ichiro Suzuki), two starting pitchers (Hiroki Kuroda and Andy Pettitte) and two important relievers (Mariano Rivera and Rafael Soriano) all free agents, in addition to other question marks on the roster.

Some of these players will be back and others will not. Offensively, Swisher is likely on his way out and Suzuki may be as well. Martin is more of an unknown.

One option to add to the lineup is Joe Mauer, who is under contract with the Minnesota Twins but could be had in a trade.

Mauer has knee problems that keep him from being a full-time catcher at this point in his career, but he showed that his bat in 2012 is still one of baseball’s best.

In 147 games, he led the American League with a .416 on-base percentage to go along with a .319 average and 10 home runs in a pitcher’s park. He caught 74 games, played first base in 30 and was the Twins’ designated hitter in 42.

Mauer’s bat would be a great addition to an aging Yankees’ lineup that has become increasingly dependent on the home runs and strikes out far too often (Mauer only struck out 88 times in 2012, which was his career-high). He would help them manufacture runs and would be on base often when the Yankees’ power hitters do hit home runs.

However, I don’t see Mauer as a fit for the Yankees, both because of his defensive limitations and his long, expensive contract.

The team needs a starting catcher, most likely Russell Martin or another player. But they need their catcher to be more or less a full-time player, which Mauer is not. I think the most a team can expect to see Mauer behind home plate is about half the time. The rest would be at first base, where the Yankees have Gold Glove winner Mark Teixeira, and at DH, where they will use Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Teixeira and other aging veterans.

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Mauer’s bat would certainly be helpful, but his defense does not fit in with this Yankees’ team.

His contract is prohibitive as well.

Mauer has $138 million left over six seasons. The team’s payroll is high enough as it is, but the organization’s determination to put the payroll under $198 million by 2014 is a barrier too. Acquiring Mauer at his full salary, or even close to it, would make that goal almost impossible to achieve.

If the Yankees can get the Twins to pay most of Joe Mauer’s salary, he could be worked into the team’s 2013 lineup. If not, Brian Cashman will either have to abandon the $189-million-by-2014 plan or go after more cost-efficient options.
I loved this nugget on bleacher report.
 
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E-Jax signs with Cubbies for 4 years, 52 mil. Also sign Carlos Villanueva. (all per CSN's Cubs beat writer Patrick Mooney)
Garza, Samardzija, Feldman, Jackson and Villanueva isn't terrible
not bad at all
It is good but they will have to be really good in 2013 because runs will be at a premium.Kudos to Theo.
:thumbup:It's only been a year, and things are already starting to look up.
I love their winter. Our Cubs are now mediocre without raiding the rapidly improving farm system. Hey, a healthy collection of break outs and this team could sniff the 2nd wild card. Very unlikely but after last year, I'll take it.
 
I can't remember the Yankees and Sox ever looking this shaky going into a new season. Gonna be fun to see the ALE up for grabs, possibly?
Id say its probable. And its really hard not to like the Jays as the favorites. But it seems every year, the team that makes all the power moves disappoints.
 
How they don't get D'Arnaud in the deal tells you just how silly this deal really is.
When I first saw rumors of the deal on the ticker I assumed he was the centerpiece. And that was before I saw that Reyes was involved.
Just heard Jonah Keri mentioning this in the context of the Dickey deal. How can Dickey fetch D'Arnaud but not the Marlins players?
Cause Dickey was only guarenteed $5MM, and the extension he signed as part of the deal was very reasonable. Meanwhile, the Jays absorbed multiple years of salary for Reyes and Buerhle, the final year on Johnson and Buck, and an arb2 player in Bonifacio.In return the Marlins got Escobar signed for $5MM and 2 club options, Mathis for 2 years at 1.5 per with a club option, and a bunch of guys with little to no service time. After that trade the three highest paid Marlins are Nolasco at $11.5MM, Infante at $4MM, and Escobar. None of them are guarenteed money beyond this year. The Marlins deal was a salary dump, plain and simple. It'll allow the Marlins to go back to turning a tidy profit without selling a single ticket, which is good because almost no one is going to go to that park after that trade.
 
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Mike Adams reportedly signs with the Phil's for 3/18m.

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A lot of people say "Moneyball only works for so long, then other teams figure out what you're doing." Well, not all teams. Yuck.
It's 2/12 with a vesting option, FWIW, and the requirements are not gimmes.
Adams' deal includes a club option for 2015 that would become guaranteed at $6 million if he has 65 games pitched in 2014. His 2015 salary would become guaranteed at $6.5 million if he has 120 games pitched in 2013 and 2014 combined, with at least 60 in 2014.
Phillies' bullpen completely killed them last year. I realize that bullpen pitchers are highly variable, but it seems like it is worth the risk.
 
Mike Adams reportedly signs with the Phil's for 3/18m.

My link
A lot of people say "Moneyball only works for so long, then other teams figure out what you're doing." Well, not all teams. Yuck.
It's 2/12 with a vesting option, FWIW, and the requirements are not gimmes.
Adams' deal includes a club option for 2015 that would become guaranteed at $6 million if he has 65 games pitched in 2014. His 2015 salary would become guaranteed at $6.5 million if he has 120 games pitched in 2013 and 2014 combined, with at least 60 in 2014.
Phillies' bullpen completely killed them last year. I realize that bullpen pitchers are highly variable, but it seems like it is worth the risk.
Even if he stays healthy, I still don't think that's a great move. He's average. :shrug:
 
Liriano 2/14 to the Pirates. Still one of the best sliders in the game, still no idea where it's going 60% of the time.
He can still be nasty when the spirit moves him, but his inconsistency and inability to pitch deep into games are negatives.
 
Liriano 2/14 to the Pirates. Still one of the best sliders in the game, still no idea where it's going 60% of the time.
He can still be nasty when the spirit moves him, but his inconsistency and inability to pitch deep into games are negatives.
Cheaper than Brandon League.Seems like a good buy IMO. You get some very premium starts from him and some clunkers, but he's worth the money for those high-end performances he can and does deliver.
 
Mike Adams reportedly signs with the Phil's for 3/18m.

My link
A lot of people say "Moneyball only works for so long, then other teams figure out what you're doing." Well, not all teams. Yuck.
It's 2/12 with a vesting option, FWIW, and the requirements are not gimmes.
Adams' deal includes a club option for 2015 that would become guaranteed at $6 million if he has 65 games pitched in 2014. His 2015 salary would become guaranteed at $6.5 million if he has 120 games pitched in 2013 and 2014 combined, with at least 60 in 2014.
Phillies' bullpen completely killed them last year. I realize that bullpen pitchers are highly variable, but it seems like it is worth the risk.
Even if he stays healthy, I still don't think that's a great move. He's average. :shrug:
Are you only looking at his 2012 season?Because he has pretty damn awesome otherwise.

 
Mike Adams reportedly signs with the Phil's for 3/18m.

My link
A lot of people say "Moneyball only works for so long, then other teams figure out what you're doing." Well, not all teams. Yuck.
It's 2/12 with a vesting option, FWIW, and the requirements are not gimmes.
Adams' deal includes a club option for 2015 that would become guaranteed at $6 million if he has 65 games pitched in 2014. His 2015 salary would become guaranteed at $6.5 million if he has 120 games pitched in 2013 and 2014 combined, with at least 60 in 2014.
Phillies' bullpen completely killed them last year. I realize that bullpen pitchers are highly variable, but it seems like it is worth the risk.
Even if he stays healthy, I still don't think that's a great move. He's average. :shrug:
Are you only looking at his 2012 season?Because he has pretty damn awesome otherwise.
Sure, but looking at a guy in his mid 30's it's not unreasonable to think his stuff may be slipping. His 4 seam dropped by nearly 1.5 mph last season. Fewer swings at his pitches and a higher contact rate as well. It's entirely possible it was just a one year fluke. Or he is regressing but not quite as quickly as last year indicated. But it does appear he's lost what made him good and he's going to be just an arm. I wouldn't be thrilled with the signing were I a Phillies fan as I don't think it's going to address their bullpen need.
 
Mike Adams reportedly signs with the Phil's for 3/18m.

My link
A lot of people say "Moneyball only works for so long, then other teams figure out what you're doing." Well, not all teams. Yuck.
It's 2/12 with a vesting option, FWIW, and the requirements are not gimmes.
Adams' deal includes a club option for 2015 that would become guaranteed at $6 million if he has 65 games pitched in 2014. His 2015 salary would become guaranteed at $6.5 million if he has 120 games pitched in 2013 and 2014 combined, with at least 60 in 2014.
Phillies' bullpen completely killed them last year. I realize that bullpen pitchers are highly variable, but it seems like it is worth the risk.
Even if he stays healthy, I still don't think that's a great move. He's average. :shrug:
Are you only looking at his 2012 season?Because he has pretty damn awesome otherwise.
Sure, but looking at a guy in his mid 30's it's not unreasonable to think his stuff may be slipping. His 4 seam dropped by nearly 1.5 mph last season. Fewer swings at his pitches and a higher contact rate as well. It's entirely possible it was just a one year fluke. Or he is regressing but not quite as quickly as last year indicated. But it does appear he's lost what made him good and he's going to be just an arm. I wouldn't be thrilled with the signing were I a Phillies fan as I don't think it's going to address their bullpen need.
Also looked like a pitcher who moved from Petco to Arlington.
 
Mike Adams reportedly signs with the Phil's for 3/18m.

My link
A lot of people say "Moneyball only works for so long, then other teams figure out what you're doing." Well, not all teams. Yuck.
It's 2/12 with a vesting option, FWIW, and the requirements are not gimmes.
Adams' deal includes a club option for 2015 that would become guaranteed at $6 million if he has 65 games pitched in 2014. His 2015 salary would become guaranteed at $6.5 million if he has 120 games pitched in 2013 and 2014 combined, with at least 60 in 2014.
Phillies' bullpen completely killed them last year. I realize that bullpen pitchers are highly variable, but it seems like it is worth the risk.
Even if he stays healthy, I still don't think that's a great move. He's average. :shrug:
Are you only looking at his 2012 season?Because he has pretty damn awesome otherwise.
His swinging strike rate and velocity are both headed pretty decidedly in the wrong direction. Given that he's on the wrong side of 30, I think we can write this off as a possible fluke. He's been pitching out of the zone more, because he doesn't have the stuff to challenge and get hitters out anymore, and as a result the walks go up..
 

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