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***Official 2013/2014 NHL Regular Season Thread*** (1 Viewer)

rascal said:
Not familiar with talbot, is that a good move for Colorado?
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on the surface Downie is the better player, and younger. Sakic probably looking for more defensively sound play from his forward depth and Talbot would be an upgrade in that area. Talbot has scored some in the past and has a ton of playoff experience. I'm sure you rememebr him winning Pit a game 7 cup with 2 goals.

 
He also scored both goals for the Pens in the final against Detroit in 09. Good regular season player, has always excelled in the playoffs.

 
So we traded one of our few right shooting wingers who also played on the first line for a defensive forward. What sense does that make?

 
Northern Voice said:
I think this is a terrible trade for Colorado.
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they get a bottom 6/PK guy with solid intangibles and playoff experience that has 2 more years left at a very low cap hit vs a more expensive pending UFA with more offensive upside that also has injury concerns, not to mention a player who could be a lengthy suspension waiting to happen.

it seems like a safe move for them to make.

I guess they probably knew they weren't going to sign him to an extension.

 
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rascal said:
So we traded one of our few right shooting wingers who also played on the first line for a defensive forward. What sense does that make?
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probably thinks they have enough scoring already and maybe looking to give MacKinnon a bigger role. must really like Talbot though, I think they could have fetched better.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Northern Voice said:
I think this is a terrible trade for Colorado.
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they get a bottom 6/PK guy with solid intangibles and playoff experience that has 2 more years left at a very low cap hit vs a more expensive pending UFA with more offensive upside that also has injury concerns, not to mention a player who could be a lengthy suspension waiting to happen.

it seems like a safe move for them to make.

I guess they probably knew they weren't going to sign him to an extension.
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didn't realize Downie was an UFA. certainly makes more sense to make that move then.

 
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Every team needs a Talbot like player. Just watch the games, you will see and learn to appreciate what he brings to the table.

 
Bill Brasky said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Northern Voice said:
I think this is a terrible trade for Colorado.
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they get a bottom 6/PK guy with solid intangibles and playoff experience that has 2 more years left at a very low cap hit vs a more expensive pending UFA with more offensive upside that also has injury concerns, not to mention a player who could be a lengthy suspension waiting to happen.

it seems like a safe move for them to make.

I guess they probably knew they weren't going to sign him to an extension.
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didn't realize Downie was an UFA. certainly makes more sense to make that move then.
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In the paper they are saying that they realized they are shorthanded on the PK - this takes a bit of pressure off of Statsny to always be the PK man.

Gotta say I was liking the work that Downie was providing on wing. He was pretty versatile fitting in with the Mac line or Duchene.

Also could be prepping things for a Statsny trade for Defense - if the Downie trade as UFA model is a pattern.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
rascal said:
Not familiar with talbot, is that a good move for Colorado?
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good defensive forward will help the bottom 6 and PK units.

pretty good breakdown here from the Avs perspective:

http://www.milehighhockey.com/2013/10/31/5051466/steve-downie-traded-max-talbot-acquired
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Good comment to the article that Talbot can take draws on the MacKinnon line. Mac is terrible(and that is being kind) at face-offs - it keeps him off the ice late in games.

 
Guess that means parenteau will move to first line and talbot will go to fourth with mackinnon who is awful on faceoffs. Guess it also makes sense $$ wise to keep stasny and o'reilly.

 
Copeman said:
Every team needs a Talbot like player. Just watch the games, you will see and learn to appreciate what he brings to the table.
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I just don't understand trading skilled/top line forwards for depth guys, especially in an offseason that just saw guys like Mason Raymond and Brendan Morrow amongst others sign for next to nothing to fill the same role.

There are very few players with Downie's skill set. His possession skills in the offensive zone/PP, as well as the physical edge (which yes, has good and bad to it) is so hard to find, just can't believe there wasn't more of a market for it. Also don't see why Colorado downgrades when they're sitting in 1st place.

 
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Bill Brasky said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Northern Voice said:
I think this is a terrible trade for Colorado.
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they get a bottom 6/PK guy with solid intangibles and playoff experience that has 2 more years left at a very low cap hit vs a more expensive pending UFA with more offensive upside that also has injury concerns, not to mention a player who could be a lengthy suspension waiting to happen.

it seems like a safe move for them to make.

I guess they probably knew they weren't going to sign him to an extension.
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didn't realize Downie was an UFA. certainly makes more sense to make that move then.
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He's a UFA but don't worry I'm sure Homer is typing up the 7 year contract with a full NMC and 300% raise.

:wall:

 
Northern Voice said:
Copeman said:
Every team needs a Talbot like player. Just watch the games, you will see and learn to appreciate what he brings to the table.
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I just don't understand trading skilled/top line forwards for depth guys, especially in an offseason that just saw guys like Mason Raymond and Brendan Morrow amongst others sign for next to nothing to fill the same role.There are very few players with Downie's skill set. His possession skills in the offensive zone/PP, as well as the physical edge (which yes, has good and bad to it) is so hard to find, just can't believe there wasn't more of a market for it. Also don't see why Colorado downgrades when they're sitting in 1st place.
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To be fair they are loaded up front with offense and if they aren't going to sign him then why not. Still don't like it though, particularly when your PK is anything but broken.
 
Seth Jones ranks 12th among all defensemen in average time on ice/game with 25:08. Averaging almost 3 minutes/game on the PP and PK units.

Pretty awesome.

 
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Kesler, H.Sedin, and D.Sedin rank 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in average time on ice/game among all forwards in the league (Crosby is #1). All 4 averaging over 22 minutes/game. Torts really using his studs a lot so far.

Oilers also have 3 forwards in the top 10 (Eberle, Hall, RNH).

 
This was the first time this season I've seen the Sabres, but they looked absolutely aweful against the Rangers. Seemed they were beaten to every puck and were skated around all night. They played three teenagers who had to have some desire. Have they played like they did last night all season?

 
kentric said:
Have they played like they did last night all season?
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Yes. Pretty much.

Ryan Miller had 44 saves on 46 shots but somehow was not named one of the top 3 stars of the game.

Mats Zuccarello picked as #1 star with his 5 shots and 1 assist performance.

 
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Avs starting Varlamov tonight. Reading the details of what this woman said and how bad he beat her, this is a terrible decision.

 
Whitetail Hunter said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
kentric said:
Have they played like they did last night all season?
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Yes. Pretty much.

Ryan Miller had 44 saves on 46 shots but somehow was not named one of the top 3 stars of the game.

Mats Zuccarello picked as #1 star with his 5 shots and 1 assist performance.
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Employees of the home team decide who gets the 3 stars so it's not surprising that the Rangers snubbed Miller.
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I know. It's a stupid and completely flawed/useless system. Still fun to point out how dumb it is at times.

 
kentric said:
This was the first time this season I've seen the Sabres, but they looked absolutely aweful against the Rangers. Seemed they were beaten to every puck and were skated around all night. They played three teenagers who had to have some desire. Have they played like they did last night all season?
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Not only that, but it seemed like they were getting knocked off their skates very easily. The Rangers aren't exactly a very physical team either.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
kentric said:
Have they played like they did last night all season?
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Yes. Pretty much.

Ryan Miller had 44 saves on 46 shots but somehow was not named one of the top 3 stars of the game.

Mats Zuccarello picked as #1 star with his 5 shots and 1 assist performance.
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The Rangers do give stars out to opposing players (although usually when the Rangers lose). I thought MIller played an outstanding game and deserved a star. Zuccarello was all over the ice last night and I didn't have a problem with him getting a star (although expected Miller, Hank (with the shutout) and Kreider (who had a hell of a night) to get the stars - Hank as #1). No idea who got the stars though.

 
That hit Derek Morris put on Matt Hendricks last night was brutal. Hendricks gets a full head of steam and Morris absolutely floors him to the ice while basically standing still. Morris just puts a forearm out and Hendricks is down and out. Put him out of the game.

 
Alex Steen named NHL's player of the month.

Toronto fans, how is Lee Stempniak working out for you? :)

 
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=689400&navid=nhl:topheads

Even if Vanek is an upgrade from Moulson, Sabres fans who mentally have prepared for a rebuild should be ecstatic. Just getting a first- and second-round pick for Vanek would have been a good haul (it's a better return than what Gaborik or Jarome Iginla fetched).

Adding Moulson, who also is a pending unrestricted free agent and could be worth another first- or second-round pick if the Sabres opt to move him, is a nice bonus. The Sabres played their way into the dire present situation, but they have a chance to build a Stanley Cup contender … and in short order.

General manager Darcy Regier has earned criticism for free-agent signings, but his work in building a war chest of top draft picks is stunning and unprecedented in recent NHL history. The Sabres have made or hold a total of 17 first- or second-round picks in a four-year span from 2012 to 2015.

No team has made more than 15 selections in the first two rounds in a four-year span in the past two decades. The Washington Capitals had 15 from 2004 to 2007 (and 19 in five years with 2008 added on). The Colorado Avalanche had 15 from 1997 to 2000, including an astounding seven of the top 53 picks in the 1998 NHL Draft.

Regier might not be done at 17. Moulson, Ryan Miller and Steve Ott all could bring at least a second-round pick in return, and all three are pending UFAs. The Sabres are trending toward a top-three pick in the 2014 NHL Draft, which will produce a player expected to be of the franchise variety.

It could get really interesting in Buffalo in the offseason. It is natural for a franchise to want to do all it can to improve after a season spent at the bottom of the NHL standings, but the 2014-15 season is going to be a different one.

Just as some NBA teams see Andrew Wiggins and Julius Randle on the horizon in the 2014 draft, next season will be the countdown to Connor McDavid in the NHL. McDavid could be more than just a great player and already looks to be the best prospect since … Tavares? Sidney Crosby? And he's playing just down the road from Buffalo with the Erie Otters of the Ontario Hockey League.

Teams like the Capitals, Pittsburgh Penguins and Chicago Blackhawks endured multiple seasons of heavy losses, but ask fans of those teams if they'd go through that again. The Sabres have Hodgson signed long-term and four teenagers gaining NHL experience now.

Add in someone like Sam Reinhart or Aaron Ekblad in June, and taking a run at McDavid in 2015 could give the Sabres the players who headline the movie, and all of these other picks can fill in the gaps in supporting roles.

The Penguins made the playoffs in Crosby's second year. The Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in Year 3 with Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. That type of timeline is attainable for the Sabres because of Regier's work hoarding high-level draft picks.

They aren't likely to be anywhere near the Super 16 this season, but it might not be as far away as it seems right now. Meanwhile, the Islanders are hoping Vanek gives them a boost from fringe playoff team to solid postseason contender in the mess that is the Metropolitan Division.
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MAF is playing out of his mind this season. Jackets getting plenty of chances tonight and he's stopping all of them. 4-0 Pens right now.

 
Billy Bats said:
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Goalie fight in Philly!
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What a joke, they've sunk to new lows. Emery should've done that to every lazy ### in his own locker room between periods. He should be suspended for that crap. Color me embarrassed.
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I just watched the video. Emery is going to be in some league trouble. I have no problem with goalie fights but emery gooned holtby who had no interest in that fight and emery was belting him when he was down, low class.

 
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