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****Official 2014 Chicago Bears Thread **** (3 Viewers)
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The Tick
Footballguy
Yeah, but he just sounds like a project, hard to pick a project in the 2nd when your defense was one of the worst in the league. We need guys worthy to start.
They started 2 rookies on the o-line last year. How about 2 rookies on the d-line this year?
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
It's a DT party at Halas Hall.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2013/futures-arizona-state-dt-will-sutton
huge upside. Won the Morris trophy as best dline in the pac 12 (voted by the olineman)
huge upside. Won the Morris trophy as best dline in the pac 12 (voted by the olineman)
The Tick
Footballguy
It just seems like he doesn't fit the scheme the bears want to run. They don't want a NT space plugger guy at this point. If the defense they want to play doesn't fit the player, makes sense not to pick him. Wish they had taken that into account in Rd1 two years ago...
The Tick
Footballguy
I'm not sure any scheme works with the lack of talent they had on the field at the end of last year...
Beyond that, we don't know what they will be running exactly. The have given Tucker the go ahead to make changes to the d-scheme that he didn't have last year. Who knows if he can come up with something good or not, but we won't really find out until camp most likely.
oh sorry I misread. I thought you were saying Sutton didn't fit the scheme, just ignore me
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
Sutton: "I became a bears fans when I was little. My family lives in Chicago."
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
"Ummm...put whatever fat guys that aren't hurt in and tell them to try and tackle somebody"
twistd
Footballguy
It is good to see the D line addressed. Ego Ferguson seems to be a genius pick. It is one of those picks that Emery wants to make to show he is a genius. The Ego Ferguson pick was a pretty sizable reach. But that was somewhat offset by the Sutton pick which looks like a value.
I don't know what they do from this point on out but I think the chances of finding any safety help at this point are relatively remote. So we get to watch Conte bite on play fakes and miss tackles all year long again.
I don't know what they do from this point on out but I think the chances of finding any safety help at this point are relatively remote. So we get to watch Conte bite on play fakes and miss tackles all year long again.
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
There are worse players left than Anthony Johnson.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
My vote for tomorrow - another DB (most likely someone who can play CB and S); back up RB; an OL (most likely an interior guy who can be groomed as a C for life after Garza) and a QB project.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Nix is a NT for a 3-4 scheme (Houston runs a 3-4 and will have Watt and Clowney coming off the edge with this dude in the middle)
Hard to believe this guy is better than Nix.
Max Power
Footballguy
Totally agree. Ideally addressing RB/S/OL/QB (not in that order) would be a perfect scenario. I think Emery has a great grasp on the situation. Our needs are so glaring at this point, its hard to screw this up.
I'd like Carey in round 5. If there isn't someone who jumps off the board to Emery in rd4, I hope we can trade down...
twistd
Footballguy
I think they definitely need a RB. I would agree on the OL. You can never have enough good OL. I don't think there is much at safety left. I'd guess that Emery will just take the BPA from here on out.
I wouldn't say Emery couldn't screw this up. He may have already screwed this up. He took Ego Ferguson much higher than appears it was necessary. It would have made a lot of sense to trade down if that is really the player he wanted. Getting Sutton appears to be good value, but both Ferguson and Sutton have question marks. We will see if Fuller turns out better than Pryor or Dix. The need was bigger at safety than it was at corner.
And thinking that Emery sees what we see is not necessarily true. In 2012 it seemed obvious that the Bears desparately needed OL help. Emery seemed content to stand pat with the people he had. He didn't draft a single player on the OL. And the only free agent he signed was the guard Rachal, who wasn't very good. That was a huge mistake. The line play was awful and a huge factor in why they didn't make the playoffs. What stood out to me was it seemed obvious that the OL as a major weakness before the draft and he didn't see it.
Emery did a nice job last year. Every player he drafted is still on the roster. Long looked very good and Mills was a very pleasant surprise. Wilson has promise. The jury is still out on Greene and Bostic. But the 2012 draft was weak. Jeffrey was a great pick. The only other player left on the roster is McClellin. I believe the switch to LB will fail and he will be a back up or out of the league soon. So I think Emery in the draft is a mixed bag. Hopefully this year will be more 2013 than 2012.
flapgreen
Footballguy
All of the O taken left a ton of value for the Bears on D.
I don't get the hate for Ego. He was a top 10 DT in most rankings. Except for Nix, he was the top DT left on Mayock's board when the Bears picked. 5 DTs taken and the Bears got 2 of them. They don't have to follow the media's draft rankings. They took the best DTs that would fit their scheme at a position we needed badly. I don't see the problem. There was nothing left at safety and we needed more guys in the trenches. DT was the best value left for what we needed.
I don't get the hate for Ego. He was a top 10 DT in most rankings. Except for Nix, he was the top DT left on Mayock's board when the Bears picked. 5 DTs taken and the Bears got 2 of them. They don't have to follow the media's draft rankings. They took the best DTs that would fit their scheme at a position we needed badly. I don't see the problem. There was nothing left at safety and we needed more guys in the trenches. DT was the best value left for what we needed.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Interesting draft thus far. It looks like the safety position was the area that they figured they would not address in the draft (who knows maybe later). It is imperative that they get production of some sort this year from CB and one of the interior DL selections. If all three can contribute it would be a major win, Maybe the thinking here is that they can get better production from their current safeties if they can stop the run and put consistent pressure on the QB. The free agent moves and 1st three picks suggest that this is the plan. A trade down in likely but I agree with the pass catching RB that can block sometime today.
KCitons
Footballguy
Too early to tell, but I hope this is not a reoccurring pattern of doing well with offensive player acquisitions, and not so well with defensive players.
twistd
Footballguy
Here is my problem with drafting Ego where they did. Kiper has Ego as his 21st DT. There are 12 DTs that Kiper had ranked higher than Ego still on the board after the third round was complete. There was exactly one DT taken between the Bears pick of Ego and Sutton. McShay had a fourth round grade on both Sutton and Ego.
However, Ourlads has Ego ranked 4th and Sutton ranked 5th at DT. Both above Dominique Easley, who the Patriots took at the end of the first. My guess is that you could have easliy traded down, and gotten another late pick, and still gotten Ego if you were set on him. I just think that you could have easily gotten Ego in the third, and I liked Nix better than either of them.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I think taking a chance on missing our guy for a 5th round pick is a small complaint. They felt it was more important to get their guy than a possible extra 5th if there was even someone wanting to offer that. A lot of teams passed on Nix as well so I'm not that bothered by that either.
twistd
Footballguy
You may be right, a 5th doesn't seem like much. I don't think Ego was their target. I think they were hoping Jernigan would drop. When he didn't drop I think they panicked a little. If this was their guy then you may not want to wait. On the other hand the best teams squeeze every thing out of the draft that they can. It always seems like the Patriots have a handful of picks because they regularly trade down and accumulate more picks.
Mister Martie
Footballguy
I think it's easy to say the Bears could have traded down and got someone a few rounds later but it's impossible to know that. Except for the top 25 guys or so, the opinions on players seem to vary pretty significantly. I'd rather the team just chose the guy they want based on their evaluation, which it seems like they did. If the Bears 2nd and 3rd round picks were flip flopped, I don't think anyone would have blinked. That should tell you something.
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twistd
Footballguy
The one thing I would say is that I liked Nix better than either of them. I do like double dipping at DT. Your chances of getting at least one that is good improves.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Next round I see us taking a safety. Or maybe another running back. Possibly a linebacker. Perhaps a WR. AJ McCarron is still on the board too. Maybe another DL or OL. I think they could also go with a TE or PK.
