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Danny said he's aiming for 6. If so, I hope he doesn't rush back too soon, but that's only missing the early part of the season if he does hit that mark.
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** Official 2014 Denver Broncos Thread ** (2 Viewers)
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News reports now saying it's a medial tibial impaction fracture and not a broken kneecap (sounds scary, but it's a much better thing), and the timeframe is now 6-8 weeks for recovery. Dr. Jene Bramel was saying on Twitter that 6-8 is doable, but he'd be shocked if it was less than 6, and other players had taken up to 12 weeks in the past. Either way, looks like Denver is probably going to be shooting for getting him back on the field after the Week 4 bye.
moleculo
Footballguy
guys, I know it's easy to get excited in the pre-season, but I'm pretty jacked about this team. Assuming health, there is no team in the AFC that can run with the Broncos.
We know the passing game will be great - that's going to happen any time Peyton is taking snaps, but Demaryius Thomas is one of the better talents in the league, Welker can still move, and Julius Thomas is scratching the surface of what he can do. Manning's weapons remain top notch, and I'm not even talking about Cody Latimer (who has been looking great per camp reports) or Emmanuel Sanders.
I believe the running game will be improved with the re-shuffled line. Clady being back makes a huge difference, but I also believe Franklin at guard next to him will pay huge dividends. Franklin is a monster and with Vasquez at the other guard position, they will solidify the interior of the line.
the D-line is now the best and deepest since the late 90's teams that had Alfred Williams and Neil Smith. Ware, Knighton, Sly Williams, and Wolfe - this is a line that can get after the QB, stuff interior runs, and set the edge. All the pieces are there. The second stringers can do it too - Malik Jackson and Vickerson are starting quality DL, and then there's Austin and Quantarius - plenty of parts to maintain a great rotation.
just to sweeten the pass rush, there's a slimmed down Von Miller... 'nuff said. 60+ team sacks is not an unreasonable expectation for this team, IMO.
in the back field, TJ ward is going to pay huge dividends. I've been critical of the safety position since Atwater retired - I think Ward will be the long term answer, much moreso than Lynch/Dawkins. I am concerned about CB - Talib/Harris will be fine on paper, but Talib seems fragile and Harris is coming off an ACL tear. Behind them, it's a rookie (Roby), 2nd year 3rd rounder (Webster), Omar Bolden, and Tony Carter. Hopefully an improved pass rush will really help here.
put it all together, and I have a hard time seeing any AFC team being competitive with the Broncos. No other AFC teams have the offensive weapons, and if the D is as good as I think it will be, I'm having a hard time finding an AFC defense that can stack up. Looking at the NFC teams, Seattle and SF will certainly pose a challenge in the regular season, StL and the Cardinals will not be push-overs either. I'm glad Broncos play them this season. Packers and Saints could be a challenge, but that's SB talk an I'm not really there yet.
bottom line - I believe this Bronco team will have a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense (assuming health, of course...knock on wood). Sky is the limit.
We know the passing game will be great - that's going to happen any time Peyton is taking snaps, but Demaryius Thomas is one of the better talents in the league, Welker can still move, and Julius Thomas is scratching the surface of what he can do. Manning's weapons remain top notch, and I'm not even talking about Cody Latimer (who has been looking great per camp reports) or Emmanuel Sanders.
I believe the running game will be improved with the re-shuffled line. Clady being back makes a huge difference, but I also believe Franklin at guard next to him will pay huge dividends. Franklin is a monster and with Vasquez at the other guard position, they will solidify the interior of the line.
the D-line is now the best and deepest since the late 90's teams that had Alfred Williams and Neil Smith. Ware, Knighton, Sly Williams, and Wolfe - this is a line that can get after the QB, stuff interior runs, and set the edge. All the pieces are there. The second stringers can do it too - Malik Jackson and Vickerson are starting quality DL, and then there's Austin and Quantarius - plenty of parts to maintain a great rotation.
just to sweeten the pass rush, there's a slimmed down Von Miller... 'nuff said. 60+ team sacks is not an unreasonable expectation for this team, IMO.
in the back field, TJ ward is going to pay huge dividends. I've been critical of the safety position since Atwater retired - I think Ward will be the long term answer, much moreso than Lynch/Dawkins. I am concerned about CB - Talib/Harris will be fine on paper, but Talib seems fragile and Harris is coming off an ACL tear. Behind them, it's a rookie (Roby), 2nd year 3rd rounder (Webster), Omar Bolden, and Tony Carter. Hopefully an improved pass rush will really help here.
put it all together, and I have a hard time seeing any AFC team being competitive with the Broncos. No other AFC teams have the offensive weapons, and if the D is as good as I think it will be, I'm having a hard time finding an AFC defense that can stack up. Looking at the NFC teams, Seattle and SF will certainly pose a challenge in the regular season, StL and the Cardinals will not be push-overs either. I'm glad Broncos play them this season. Packers and Saints could be a challenge, but that's SB talk an I'm not really there yet.
bottom line - I believe this Bronco team will have a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense (assuming health, of course...knock on wood). Sky is the limit.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
moleculo, I am cautiously optimistic, too, but it's hard to shake that feeling I got from the beatdown in the Super Bowl. Here's hoping the Seahawks a) aren't as good as last year, and b) don't make the Super Bowl again. I know you were talking more about how they are better than every other AFC team, but it's hard to not think big picture.
Also, it's indicative of how easy it is to take Peyton Manning's greatness for granted when I dismiss Trevathan's injury away with "as long as he is healthy come playoff time." With Peyton at the helm, 11-13 wins is nearly a guarantee, so I'd rather these injuries happen now rather than later.
Also, it's indicative of how easy it is to take Peyton Manning's greatness for granted when I dismiss Trevathan's injury away with "as long as he is healthy come playoff time." With Peyton at the helm, 11-13 wins is nearly a guarantee, so I'd rather these injuries happen now rather than later.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
did you see them getting blown out by sea prior to the sb?moleculo said:
moleculo
Footballguy
of course not. The superbowl was essentially the worst game of the season, which happened to come at the worst possible time. It was a catastrophe of compounding errors, all springing from the errant snap on the first play of the game and Fox's inability to restore confidence. Broncos found themselves in a hole and kept trying to dig their way out; that's essentially what happened.
Of course, it doesn't help that 4 defensive starters were on IR: Wolfe, Vickerson, Miller, Raheem Moore. 5 if you want to count Chris Harris. Plus, Woodyard and Champ Bailey were injured and shells of their former selves. Consider this: of the 11 defensive starters in the SB, only Sylvester Williams, Terrance Knighton, Nate Irving and Danny Trevathan will be starters this season.
Updating this, Jene said on Twitter after looking deeper into the list of comps, he thinks 8-12 weeks is a more realistic estimate than 6-8 weeks.Adam Harstad said:
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
consider this: seattle's offense could've scored 0 in that game and they still would've won
moleculo
Footballguy
yeah, I'm just now getting around to caring about football again....way behind on my draft preparation. Watching the Seahawks preseason game is what renewed my confidence.
Last year when Broncos played Seahawks, I came away thinking the Seahawks are a bunch of bullies. They blitzed, were more aggressive, hit harder, and were all over the field. Broncos responded by looking for flags, and playing the finesse game. Without getting into X's and O's and just thinking about the tone of the game, it went exactly like the SB did. I had assumed at the time it was just because Carroll is an ####### and bringing out weird blitzes that you don't normally see in pre-season, but that style and tempo carried thru the season with them into the SB, whereas Denver never really was forced to play a tough man game.
Last week, things were different. Seattle looked like just another team. I didn't see whining for flags (maybe because flags were flying regardless?), I saw Bronco OL blowing Seahawks off of the ball, I saw Seahawks pulling some of their cheap-shot crap but Broncos did not back down - they got right in there mixing it up. The team looked like they were able to match Seattles toughness, which, I think, was important to see.
I'm glad Broncos are playing the NFCW this year. Seattle and SF (and StL and AZ to a lesser extent) will force the Broncos to play a physical game. If they make it to the SB, they will be ready.
moleculo
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Right, because the game plays out exactly the same way if the Seahawks offense scored nothing.
I hope you are right.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
no, probably much different -- denver certainly would've stopped harvin from running back that kick, denver clearly wouldn't have given up that safety on the first play of the game, and we most definitely don't see those uncharacteristic picks from manning in a big game.Right, because the game plays out exactly the same way if the Seahawks offense scored nothing.
seattle offense doesn't run up that 13 points in the first half and the whole game turns around -- probably blowout for denver like 101 to 9.
moleculo
Footballguy
I feel like you are here to just be a ####, so I'm done with this. Have a great season, guy!no, probably much different -- denver certainly would've stopped harvin from running back that kick, denver clearly wouldn't have given up that safety on the first play of the game, and we most definitely don't see those uncharacteristic picks from manning in a big game.Right, because the game plays out exactly the same way if the Seahawks offense scored nothing.
seattle offense doesn't run up that 13 points in the first half and the whole game turns around -- probably blowout for denver like 101 to 9.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
So, we are in the Denver thread, talking about how bad we played last year, and how our future looks better, not really any hyperbole, and you come in with this? Is it so offensive that we think we played bad? Did anyone, anywhere say we absolutely would have won if we had half our defense and one of the top LTs in the league healthy?no, probably much different -- denver certainly would've stopped harvin from running back that kick, denver clearly wouldn't have given up that safety on the first play of the game, and we most definitely don't see those uncharacteristic picks from manning in a big game.Right, because the game plays out exactly the same way if the Seahawks offense scored nothing.
seattle offense doesn't run up that 13 points in the first half and the whole game turns around -- probably blowout for denver like 101 to 9.
I usually like your posts, but this crap confuses me.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
well, I can walk you through it, but I doubt you'll be any more receptive a 2nd time around.So, we are in the Denver thread, talking about how bad we played last year, and how our future looks better, not really any hyperbole, and you come in with this? Is it so offensive that we think we played bad? Did anyone, anywhere say we absolutely would have won if we had half our defense and one of the top LTs in the league healthy?no, probably much different -- denver certainly would've stopped harvin from running back that kick, denver clearly wouldn't have given up that safety on the first play of the game, and we most definitely don't see those uncharacteristic picks from manning in a big game.Right, because the game plays out exactly the same way if the Seahawks offense scored nothing.
seattle offense doesn't run up that 13 points in the first half and the whole game turns around -- probably blowout for denver like 101 to 9.
I usually like your posts, but this crap confuses me.
being primarily an idp guy, I checked in here to see if there was a lb scoop, considering the trevathan news.
I was greeted by some delusional homer popping off about how the rest of the league isn't even competitive with this team, and I guess we can just skip the season and crown their asses, which I was kind of surprised to see considering how badly they embarrassed the afc on a global stage in one of the worst superbowl blowouts in league history.
I mean, at least the pats put up a fight in 2007.
thought you guys would eat your humble pie and keep a lower profile after that debacle, but I guess not.
so, I probably made some comment to that effect.
at which point he bitterly rebuked me with his excuses about injuries to a football team.
I politely reminded him that they could've fielded a defense that held seattle's offense to 0 and they still would've lost -- which is pretty amazing when you think about it.
other team scores absolutely nothing and you still lose........
I believe this is when some other nutty homer jumped me, insisting that they would've had some kind of chance if seattle had scored 0, which seems kind of unlikely considering the circumstances of the actual game.
maybe he turned it off after that initial safety.
I mocked his nonsense with an appropriately sarcastic reply.
you wrapped up by complimenting my posts -- thx
ps
are they rolling out anybody I should know about at lb?
Posting predictions about Denver's 2014 season in a thread clearly marked as being about Denver's 2014 season is now too high of a profile?
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Footballguy
Two things:
Nothing set at LB yet, as far as I know
and
You are really reaching when you say that anyone said no one was competitive in the league. I frequent other team threads as well, and last year there were some that actually did what you say is happening here.
Anyway, don't want to argue about this weird post. I like most of your stuff, so I'm going to act like you are just hearing voices, and one of them told you to post this.
Nothing set at LB yet, as far as I know
and
You are really reaching when you say that anyone said no one was competitive in the league. I frequent other team threads as well, and last year there were some that actually did what you say is happening here.
Anyway, don't want to argue about this weird post. I like most of your stuff, so I'm going to act like you are just hearing voices, and one of them told you to post this.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
yeah, I had to reach all the way up the page for this post I already quoted earliermoleculo said:
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
oh, you might be done with this, but I'll be back the evening of nov 2nd.
MARK IT DOWN !!!!!!!!
assuming I'm not banned
MARK IT DOWN !!!!!!!!
assuming I'm not banned
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I coulda swore you said that he said the "rest of the league" isn't competitive. But, admittedly, I'm getting old, and maybe my eyes are going. I won't go searching. Because if he had just said the AFC, you'd be wrong in your own quote.
But you seem sure, so I'll go with it. I'm tired and need a nap. It's preseason. Can't get too fired up in preseason, anyway. Right?
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
you're talkin' to a fan of the wrong team on that one, buddy.
https://twitter.com/derek_boyko/status/499265446240333824/photo/1
If we're talking about results in each team's last game, it's probably worth noting that in New England's last game they gave up the most yards they had ever given up in any of the 250 football games of the Belichick era. New England faced a 20-point 4th quarter deficit before they were able to slap on a couple late face-saving touchdowns to make the final margin look a touch more respectable. Pro Football Reference's advanced box score estimated that at no point during the entire second half did New England even have a 10% chance of walking away with a victory. (Advanced NFL Analytics estimated that they briefly had an 18% chance in the second half, though Denver quickly crushed that down under 10% with their first drive.) The AFCCG seemed to feature the second best team in the AFC having a very difficult time being competitive with the Broncos.
You know, if we want to base this season's predictions on last year's results and all.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
hurray for your t-shirt !!
Getting complaints about what is going on in here. This is for discussing the 2014 Broncos, not baiting Denver fans about last year's Super Bowl. Let's move on please.
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Footballguy
Well, if you didn't see it already, we've got our first round of cuts. Here they are (courtesy Mile High Report):
Name | Position | College | Exp | Transaction
Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State 5 Terminated/Injured
Brennan Clay RB Oklahoma R Waived
Greg Hardin WR North Dakota R Waived
Jerrell Harris LB Alabama R Waived
Winston Justice OT USC 9 Released
Charles Mitchell S Mississippi State R Waived
Will Pericak DT Colorado R Waived
Bryn Renner QB UNC R Waived
Chase Vaughn DE Colorado State-Pueblo R Waived/Injured
Jerodis Williams RB Furman R Waived
Greg Wilson WR Fordham R Waived
Name | Position | College | Exp | Transaction
Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State 5 Terminated/Injured
Brennan Clay RB Oklahoma R Waived
Greg Hardin WR North Dakota R Waived
Jerrell Harris LB Alabama R Waived
Winston Justice OT USC 9 Released
Charles Mitchell S Mississippi State R Waived
Will Pericak DT Colorado R Waived
Bryn Renner QB UNC R Waived
Chase Vaughn DE Colorado State-Pueblo R Waived/Injured
Jerodis Williams RB Furman R Waived
Greg Wilson WR Fordham R Waived
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massraider
Footballguy
Anyone have any feelings about how Quanterus Smith has looked?
Heard some good things thus far.
Heard some good things thus far.
moleculo
Footballguy
some really good analysis of last nights game here. look in the comments from "dubs" - great breakdown of what the colts do defensively, how the Broncos exploited it, and what Del Rio is doing.
Personally, I believe part of last nights defensive breakdown has to do with Von/Harris not quite in game-shape yet, coupled with the Colts exploiting Trevathans absence.
Personally, I believe part of last nights defensive breakdown has to do with Von/Harris not quite in game-shape yet, coupled with the Colts exploiting Trevathans absence.
shoecrew22
Footballguy
Just ordered my ORANGE DT Jersey and cannot wait to sport it to the December 22nd MNF game in Cincinnati! (Its tough being a Broncos fan in this city.)
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
After last night, my opinion on the team is still about what it was before the game: should be a great team that is the favorite to win the AFC, but still not on Seattle's level. They still can't run it when they need to, the D made some stops, but was still very leaky at times, and it's hard to rely on just a great passing game to win a championship, regardless of who your QB is.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
What was Grandpa thinking not taking a TO before KC's 4th and goal last night??? If they score, Peyton has a good 50 seconds to get into field goal range and win the game. Mind-blowing.
This was worse than the two knees he had Manning take (before half and to end the game) against Baltimore two years ago.
I just cannot fathom how an NFL coach does this stuff.
This was worse than the two knees he had Manning take (before half and to end the game) against Baltimore two years ago.
I just cannot fathom how an NFL coach does this stuff.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
My guess is he didn't want the Chiefs offense to have a chance to regroup and call a play during the timeout, rather making them hurry up and run the 4th down play.
Regardless, I was thinking the same thing you were. I would have called the timeout.
Regardless, I was thinking the same thing you were. I would have called the timeout.
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moleculo
Footballguy
yeah, that was pretty terrible. I'd like to say that Fox was making a statement to his defense - "it's all on you"...that's something I think would be gutsy and valliant.
Nope, it was as simple as not having a feel for the situation (IMO):
moleculo
Footballguy
well, that was the game I was hoping to see in February. wow. I didn't expect Denver to win - all I wanted to see was if the team had any fight to it - any toughness. Well, the Denver D matched Seattle's O, but it's clear to me that the Bronco O is still behind the Seattle D - at least in Seattle, that is.
Honestly, I don't know what the O needs to get past Seattle. Dropped passes remain a problem, and the running game comes up short far too often. The bubble screens were ineffective - that should have been predicted. Honestly, I kind of think that Fox/Gase were scared to attack the LoB. They went after Sherman on the first drive, and had success, but never really threw the ball down field again until they had to. It would have been nice to stretch the D vertically to open up some running lanes, IMO.
I'm thankful Denver won't have to go back to Seattle for at least 3 more years. If (when?) we see them again, it will be on neutral turf.
Broncos showed me that they are a quality, upper tier, championship contender, but still behind Seattle, and the problem is on offense. They still have work to do.
It's a good week for a bye - a good time for some soul-searching, a chance to think about what they need to become, and then a tough AZ team coming into town in 2 weeks. This would be a great time to figure out how to run the damn football; especially against a top 10 defense.
Honestly, I don't know what the O needs to get past Seattle. Dropped passes remain a problem, and the running game comes up short far too often. The bubble screens were ineffective - that should have been predicted. Honestly, I kind of think that Fox/Gase were scared to attack the LoB. They went after Sherman on the first drive, and had success, but never really threw the ball down field again until they had to. It would have been nice to stretch the D vertically to open up some running lanes, IMO.
I'm thankful Denver won't have to go back to Seattle for at least 3 more years. If (when?) we see them again, it will be on neutral turf.
Broncos showed me that they are a quality, upper tier, championship contender, but still behind Seattle, and the problem is on offense. They still have work to do.
It's a good week for a bye - a good time for some soul-searching, a chance to think about what they need to become, and then a tough AZ team coming into town in 2 weeks. This would be a great time to figure out how to run the damn football; especially against a top 10 defense.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
moleculo, I pretty much agree with your entire assessment.
I loved the toughness the team showed, especially the defense for most of regulation.
The running game is a major concern. I don't trust Montee Ball any farther than I can throw him.
The play-calling on offense was definitely way too conservative.
I didn't like their decision to defer. It basically said, "We are scared of Seattle's defense."
So yeah, still a lot of work to do, but definitely some positives to be taken out of the loss.
I loved the toughness the team showed, especially the defense for most of regulation.
The running game is a major concern. I don't trust Montee Ball any farther than I can throw him.
The play-calling on offense was definitely way too conservative.
I didn't like their decision to defer. It basically said, "We are scared of Seattle's defense."
So yeah, still a lot of work to do, but definitely some positives to be taken out of the loss.
Mile High
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
I've heard speculation that he could be let go and they keep McManus instead - much cheaper, would save about $3m. Not sure what that buys this year, not sure how close to the cap the Broncos are, and not sure how roll-over cap savings work, it's all very complicated. The thinking is that with altitude and PFM, a kicker is less important and probably shouldn't be such a large portion of the total salary cap.
It's unfortunate the Broncos haven't been in position to test McManus yet, I suspect he'll get a good workout vs Arizona in a couple of weeks. If he does well vs AZ, I think a case could be made to let Prater walk.
Han Solo
Footballguy
I'm not sure how manning or the rest of the team/coaches would feel rolling into the playoffs with a 24 year old unproven rookie kicker to save a buck after all they have invested in this window of opportunity. I need a better reason than penny pinching. Prater would need to be unwanted or screw up again I would imagine. Thanks for replys though.
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I don't know that Peyton or the rest of the team/coaches would get too worked up over Denver moving from Prater to McManus, if that was the call. For one thing, McManus has been destroying kickoff duties so far- he's been booting the ball out of the back of the end zone even at sea level. For another, kickers are a crapshoot. Prater led the league in FG% last year. Over the two years before that combined, he hit just 79%, including a woeful 50% from 40-49 yards. Which Prater are you getting this year? Which McManus are you getting this year? Who knows. There's very little correlation in FG% from season to season. Kickoffs are pretty consistent, though, and like I said, McManus has been obliterating those.
I doubt anyone would lose too much sleep over a switch, especially when the $3m in savings each year can be put to work signing Demaryius, Julius, Chris Harris, or Von Miller to a long-term extension. Don't know if that's what Denver's going to do, but if I were in charge of Denver, that's what I'd do.
moleculo
Footballguy
Been hearing a lot of chatter lately about Julius's blocking. Shannon Sharpe, in particular, has been very vocal and critical of JT. As far as I know, Fox hasn't commented on Sharpes criticism at all, either in support of JT or in agreement w/ Sharpe.
We know that Fox thought Virgil Green to be critical to the Broncos game planning vs Seattle - Green is a better blocking TE. We also know that the coaching staff seems to have placed a big emphasis on forcing the running game, apparently so it can be counted on in February. There was also a scene where Manning was pissed at JT after a particular series - I think it was in the KC game - where Manning was yelling at JT on the sideline.
Reading the tea leaves, I think it's entirely possible that the team may not be happy at all with JT's blocking, and blames him for the teams struggles in the run game. If that's the case, JT is really nothing more than an oversized WR, and he really should therefore be competing for snaps with Welker.
Remember - the Manning offense doesn't like to substitute players within a series. Once you enter the huddle on the first play, you typically stay in the whole series due to Manning's no-huddle, try to prevent defensive substitutions.
Where i'm going with this is we may see a reduction in snap counts for either Julius or Welker moving forward, in favor of Virgil Green, Jacob Tamme, or an extra lineman as a swing tackle.
Julius still presents a heck of a miss-match in the passing game, but unless he can improve his effort in the run blocking game, his snap counts will diminish which will effect his targets and red-zone looks.
This is all speculation on my part, just putting it out there. It my be a good time to sell high on Julius Thomas.
We know that Fox thought Virgil Green to be critical to the Broncos game planning vs Seattle - Green is a better blocking TE. We also know that the coaching staff seems to have placed a big emphasis on forcing the running game, apparently so it can be counted on in February. There was also a scene where Manning was pissed at JT after a particular series - I think it was in the KC game - where Manning was yelling at JT on the sideline.
Reading the tea leaves, I think it's entirely possible that the team may not be happy at all with JT's blocking, and blames him for the teams struggles in the run game. If that's the case, JT is really nothing more than an oversized WR, and he really should therefore be competing for snaps with Welker.
Remember - the Manning offense doesn't like to substitute players within a series. Once you enter the huddle on the first play, you typically stay in the whole series due to Manning's no-huddle, try to prevent defensive substitutions.
Where i'm going with this is we may see a reduction in snap counts for either Julius or Welker moving forward, in favor of Virgil Green, Jacob Tamme, or an extra lineman as a swing tackle.
Julius still presents a heck of a miss-match in the passing game, but unless he can improve his effort in the run blocking game, his snap counts will diminish which will effect his targets and red-zone looks.
This is all speculation on my part, just putting it out there. It my be a good time to sell high on Julius Thomas.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Interesting. Should be tough sledding against Arizona this week, too.
Also, while most of us assume the Broncos will win 11-13 games and make the playoffs, the Chargers are a real threat to win the division. If you look at the schedules of both, it favors San Diego. Granted, I think San Diego is more prone to lose a game they shouldn't than the Broncos are (every game the Broncos have lost with Manning has been to a team that made the playoffs that year), but still, it is something to watch.
Also, while most of us assume the Broncos will win 11-13 games and make the playoffs, the Chargers are a real threat to win the division. If you look at the schedules of both, it favors San Diego. Granted, I think San Diego is more prone to lose a game they shouldn't than the Broncos are (every game the Broncos have lost with Manning has been to a team that made the playoffs that year), but still, it is something to watch.
