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**Official 2014 In Season Dynasty Trade Thread** (3 Viewers)

Well, trade deadline has been up in all my leagues for the past couple weeks. Bummer.

In leagues with the playoffs weeks 14-16, I would think the best time for a trade deadline is maybe right before the playoffs, maybe two weeks before so you dont have all 6 non playoff teams selling to the playoff teams.

I am all for selling for the future a bit, but that would be just too much.

 
And I am such an idiot for trading a surefire late late 2015 1st for Bradshaw a few weeks ago. So, so stupid. I even told the guy I was trading with it was stupid. I only did it for a little depth, and to play a little keepaway from a couple teams who are good but lacking some at RB.

Royal backfire, and I even knew the dude had like a 95% chance of getting hurt.

 
.5 PPR

Traded:

Mark Ingram

CJ Spiller

2015 3rd rounder

2016 3rd rounder

Received:

Davante Adams

Bennie Cunningham

2015 1st rounder (late)

2015 2nd rounder (late)

2016 2nd rounder

 
.5 PPR

Traded:

Mark Ingram

CJ Spiller

2015 3rd rounder

2016 3rd rounder

Received:

Davante Adams

Bennie Cunningham

2015 1st rounder (late)

2015 2nd rounder (late)

2016 2nd rounder
Ingram easily
Funny, I feel the exact opposite.

maxhyde said:
12 team ppr 1/2/3/1

Team A gave up

Kendall Wright

Team B gave up

Fred Jackson

Teams have opposing depth/deficiencies. Team A is one of the top teams and Team B is a borderline playoff team.
Wright
Yep
Yep, and it's not close. although I do understand if Team A needed a RB badly, this still is a deal I'd expect to be regretted later.

12 team PPR, start qrrwwwtfkd, best ball

Team A gives Delanie Walker

Team B gives 2015 3rd (late)

Team A gives Andre Johnson, 2015 2nd (mid)

Team C gives 2015 1st (late)

Team A gives Marshawn Lynch, Greg Jennings

Team D gives 2015 1st (mid)
Wash

Pick

Pick, though mutually beneficial if A is contending
This might be the most even string of trades posted in these 45 pages. Each is easily justified on either side.

 
.5 PPR

Traded:

Mark Ingram

CJ Spiller

2015 3rd rounder

2016 3rd rounder

Received:

Davante Adams

Bennie Cunningham

2015 1st rounder (late)

2015 2nd rounder (late)

2016 2nd rounder
Adams and the picks.

 
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And I am such an idiot for trading a surefire late late 2015 1st for Bradshaw a few weeks ago. So, so stupid. I even told the guy I was trading with it was stupid. I only did it for a little depth, and to play a little keepaway from a couple teams who are good but lacking some at RB.

Royal backfire, and I even knew the dude had like a 95% chance of getting hurt.
I did this too but absolutely needed a RB2. Injury was my biggest fear but there wasn't much available elsewhere. I'm sure if I didn't make the move that Bradshaw would have continued his output, lol.

 
.5 PPR

Traded:

Mark Ingram

CJ Spiller

2015 3rd rounder

2016 3rd rounder

Received:

Davante Adams

Bennie Cunningham

2015 1st rounder (late)

2015 2nd rounder (late)

2016 2nd rounder
Adams and the picks.
Someone gave up way too much for Ingram. Or maybe they think Spiller still has some value.
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.

 
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
Hello Mark Ingram.
While I do think Ingram can be a top 10RB next season, I do think it will very much depend upon where he lands.

Agree with Adams and the picks on that trade though. Adams should be sitting comfortably as one of Rodgers top 2 targets in the next couple of seasons. That's proven to make a lot of guys into WR1s.

 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
cstu said:
Denver724 said:
Zab said:
.5 PPR

Traded:

Mark Ingram

CJ Spiller

2015 3rd rounder

2016 3rd rounder

Received:

Davante Adams

Bennie Cunningham

2015 1st rounder (late)

2015 2nd rounder (late)

2016 2nd rounder
Adams and the picks.
Someone gave up way too much for Ingram. Or maybe they think Spiller still has some value.
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
:lmao:

wait, were you not joking? :unsure:

 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
cstu said:
Denver724 said:
Zab said:
.5 PPR

Traded:

Mark Ingram

CJ Spiller

2015 3rd rounder

2016 3rd rounder

Received:

Davante Adams

Bennie Cunningham

2015 1st rounder (late)

2015 2nd rounder (late)

2016 2nd rounder
Adams and the picks.
Someone gave up way too much for Ingram. Or maybe they think Spiller still has some value.
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
:lmao:

wait, were you not joking? :unsure:
I've never known Mark Ingram to be a jokester.

 
Team A gets Michael Floyd

Team B gets Bishop Sankey

Both were bench players for the previous owner that will probably be starting for the new owner.

 
12 team PPR:

Give:

Tom Brady

Vincent Jackson

Theo Riddick

2015 1st (bottom 4)

2015 1st (somewhere in 4-8 most likely)

Get:

Josh Gordon

Ben Tate

Charles Clay

 
12 team PPR:

Give:

Tom Brady

Vincent Jackson

Theo Riddick

2015 1st (bottom 4)

2015 1st (somewhere in 4-8 most likely)

Get:

Josh Gordon

Ben Tate

Charles Clay
Bottom four as in pick 1-4 or pick 9-12? Either way seems like an awful lot for a guy who has a 50/50 shot of not playing every year.

 
12 team ppr. qb, 2 rb, 3 wt, te, flex

Give: OBJ, John Brown

Get: Lacy, Wheaton
I love OBJ, but this is an over pay for him. I am sure he will make it up in the future but someone paid next years price for him now, or even the off season price for him if he continues to show well.

 
Above me are a bunch of responses from folks who are either playing against gordon this week, or have such traumatic memories of playing against him, that they've blocked out his capabilities.

 
maxhyde said:
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
Hello Mark Ingram.
Lame reply.

Just check the stats, 13 overall in ppr 7th in average points score. Misdeed 3 games and still probably finishes top 10.

So yeah I get your lame joke, oh wait never mind I don't. Please eloberate

 
Soulfly3 said:
Above me are a bunch of responses from folks who are either playing against gordon this week, or have such traumatic memories of playing against him, that they've blocked out his capabilities.
Nice to hear from the president of The Josh Gordon Fan Club. :hophead:

Seriously...if one believes the adage that if you trade an elite player you should get one in return, then the players/picks don't match Gordon's value.

However, the problem is that Gordon does not come without considerable risk. Maybe he won't get into trouble again, but his track record suggests othrewise. As such, a discount on his value is warranted.

 
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Soulfly3 said:
Above me are a bunch of responses from folks who are either playing against gordon this week, or have such traumatic memories of playing against him, that they've blocked out his capabilities.
He's no Balotelli.

 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
Well, you are certainly in the minority with these thoughts.

 
maxhyde said:
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
Hello Mark Ingram.
Lame reply.

Just check the stats, 13 overall in ppr 7th in average points score. Misdeed 3 games and still probably finishes top 10.

So yeah I get your lame joke, oh wait never mind I don't. Please eloberate
Telling people in this thread that they are "incorrect" seems pretty rude and laughable. Just because they [we] don't share the same opinion as you, doesn't mean that they [we] are incorrect. It's one thing to disagree with a person's or people's opinion by stating you disagree, but it's another thing to waltz right in here and say they are incorrect or wrong. With that, your reply is "lame."

Once again, it's your opinion if you think that Ingram is worth more than that and stating that. It's absurd for you to tell people they are wrong, which is what rubbed me the wrong way.

Personally, I like the Davante side. He's shown enough for me to believe he'll be a WR2 at the least in his career. Benny has been productive, more from a football aspect than fantasy, but I'd say it's fair to have Ingram > Adams/Benny, but I think it's probably more close to being even. I don't think spiller is worth a late first at this point. That evens out the first part to me. Then you have two 2's for two 3's. That's what tips this in the Davante advantage.

Concerns for Ingram too have to be that he's been injured quite a bit throughout his career. He's shown he has RB1 potential, but for only about half a season out of the four he's played.

 
maxhyde said:
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
Hello Mark Ingram.
Lame reply.

Just check the stats, 13 overall in ppr 7th in average points score. Misdeed 3 games and still probably finishes top 10.

So yeah I get your lame joke, oh wait never mind I don't. Please eloberate
Telling people in this thread that they are "incorrect" seems pretty rude and laughable. Just because they [we] don't share the same opinion as you, doesn't mean that they [we] are incorrect. It's one thing to disagree with a person's or people's opinion by stating you disagree, but it's another thing to waltz right in here and say they are incorrect or wrong. With that, your reply is "lame."

Once again, it's your opinion if you think that Ingram is worth more than that and stating that. It's absurd for you to tell people they are wrong, which is what rubbed me the wrong way.

Personally, I like the Davante side. He's shown enough for me to believe he'll be a WR2 at the least in his career. Benny has been productive, more from a football aspect than fantasy, but I'd say it's fair to have Ingram > Adams/Benny, but I think it's probably more close to being even. I don't think spiller is worth a late first at this point. That evens out the first part to me. Then you have two 2's for two 3's. That's what tips this in the Davante advantage.

Concerns for Ingram too have to be that he's been injured quite a bit throughout his career. He's shown he has RB1 potential, but for only about half a season out of the four he's played.
He probably thought Moreno was a stud also

 
maxhyde said:
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Incorrect, Ingram is worth more by himself. I prefer Ingram over Guy like Gio going forward. Ingram will be top 10 RB regardless of team next season.
Hello Mark Ingram.
Lame reply.Just check the stats, 13 overall in ppr 7th in average points score. Misdeed 3 games and still probably finishes top 10.

So yeah I get your lame joke, oh wait never mind I don't. Please eloberate
Personally, I like the Davante side. He's shown enough for me to believe he'll be a WR2 at the least in his career. Benny has been productive, more from a football aspect than fantasy, but I'd say it's fair to have Ingram > Adams/Benny, but I think it's probably more close to being even. I don't think spiller is worth a late first at this point. That evens out the first part to me. Then you have two 2's for two 3's. That's what tips this in the Davante advantage.
The part of your assessment I'd disagree with is Ingram vs Adams/Cunningham.

imo Cunningham is pretty much worthless and Ingram >>>> Adams

 
12 team PPR.

Gave (to a playoff team with no TE):

Olsen

2016 1st

2016 2nd

2016 3rd

Got (for a rebuild where I already own six 2015 1sts):

Moncrief

2015 1st (8-12)

 
12 team PPR.

Gave (to a playoff team with no TE):

Olsen

2016 1st

2016 2nd

2016 3rd

Got (for a rebuild where I already own six 2015 1sts):

Moncrief

2015 1st (8-12)
I dont like it.

Olsen for Moncrief woulda made more sense (even though I think you should get more back, althoug, what is the scoring?? TE premium or no??). If not then straight up seems reasonable.

I would prefer an unknown 2016 1/2/3 over a surefire 2015 1st in the 8-12 range, ESPECIALLY if you own all those other 2015 1sts.

 
12 team PPR.

Gave (to a playoff team with no TE):

Olsen

2016 1st

2016 2nd

2016 3rd

Got (for a rebuild where I already own six 2015 1sts):

Moncrief

2015 1st (8-12)
I dont like it.

Olsen for Moncrief woulda made more sense (even though I think you should get more back, althoug, what is the scoring?? TE premium or no??). If not then straight up seems reasonable.

I would prefer an unknown 2016 1/2/3 over a surefire 2015 1st in the 8-12 range, ESPECIALLY if you own all those other 2015 1sts.
Not TE premium.

This isn't the type of tear-down rebuild where those should be high 2016 picks of mine. I still have Lacy, J. Bell, Gordon, Hilton, Crabtree, Patterson, and Kelce. With 7 2015 1sts I raise my chances of hitting on a stud or two with each added pick and won't have much room for those 2nd and 3rd round 2016 picks anyways.

I feel comfortable with my knowledge of the 2015 class and see the 1st round as being another deep one, so I'm gambling that the players coming out this year are much more desirable than the players coming out in 2016, overall, and that loading up on as many 1sts as possible this year (and increasing my chances of hitting overall) will make up for the missing 2016 picks.

 
Or maybe use that 2015 1st in the offseason to trade for a 2016 1st that projects to be much higher.

Keep giving yourself high 1sts.

 
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Or maybe use that 2015 1st in the offseason to trade for a 2016 1st that projects to be much higher.

Keep giving yourself high 1sts.
That option's still on the table, for sure. People get rookie fever and there are a couple very obvious bottom-of-the-barrel owners right now.

 
Or maybe use that 2015 1st in the offseason to trade for a 2016 1st that projects to be much higher.

Keep giving yourself high 1sts.
That option's still on the table, for sure. People get rookie fever and there are a couple very obvious bottom-of-the-barrel owners right now.
I suppose if you made the deal with the idea of using the pick, I dont like it.

I also didnt realize that 2016 pick SHOULD still be decent, but you never know, especially if you draft and use several rookies.

But if you got it inending to deal it, and actually are able to get a nice looking 2016 1st, tehn its good

 
12 team PPR:

Give:

Tom Brady

Vincent Jackson

Theo Riddick

2015 1st (bottom 4)

2015 1st (somewhere in 4-8 most likely)

Get:

Josh Gordon

Ben Tate

Charles Clay
Way too much for Gordon
VJax, a late and middle 1st is a good price if he returns to 2013 Gordon.
And IF Theo Riddick takes over the Reggie Bush role next year it looks horrible.
Yikes. I was the owner getting Gordon and I was thrilled with this deal. FYI, "bottom 4 pick" meant 1.09-1.12 range.

I probably don't need to tell you how good Gordon is, so I guess it's just a question of difference of opinion about his risk. I was a loud "trade Gordon" guy for much of the off-season (as soulfly can attest to) but the new policy signaled a pretty significant shift for the NFL and I think Gordon is much less of a risk now.

"VJax, a late and middle 1st is a good price if he returns to 2013 Gordon."

If Gordon returns to 2013 Gordon (which there's really no reason to think he won't), you won't get near him for a late and a mid 1st. Jackson was a throw-in - he's been unstartable this year and that won't get better with age.

Just my opinion obviously, but you don't pass up on elite guys like Gordon, even with his risks, because you want to hold on to guys like Vincent Jackson and Theo Riddick.

ETA: Not that it matters, but also had P. Manning and R. Wilson, couldn't get anyone to ante up for a QB at all really, so didn't mind letting go of Brady (to a team we will not be facing in the playoffs).

 
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12 team PPR:

Give:

Tom Brady

Vincent Jackson

Theo Riddick

2015 1st (bottom 4)

2015 1st (somewhere in 4-8 most likely)

Get:

Josh Gordon

Ben Tate

Charles Clay
Way too much for Gordon
VJax, a late and middle 1st is a good price if he returns to 2013 Gordon.
And IF Theo Riddick takes over the Reggie Bush role next year it looks horrible.
Yikes. I was the owner getting Gordon and I was thrilled with this deal. FYI, "bottom 4 pick" meant 1.09-1.12 range.

I probably don't need to tell you how good Gordon is, so I guess it's just a question of difference of opinion about his risk. I was a loud "trade Gordon" guy for much of the off-season (as soulfly can attest to) but the new policy signaled a pretty significant shift for the NFL and I think Gordon is much less of a risk now.

"VJax, a late and middle 1st is a good price if he returns to 2013 Gordon."

If Gordon returns to 2013 Gordon (which there's really no reason to think he won't), you won't get near him for a late and a mid 1st. Jackson was a throw-in - he's been unstartable this year and that won't get better with age.

Just my opinion obviously, but you don't pass up on elite guys like Gordon, even with his risks, because you want to hold on to guys like Vincent Jackson and Theo Riddick.

ETA: Not that it matters, but also had P. Manning and R. Wilson, couldn't get anyone to ante up for a QB at all really, so didn't mind letting go of Brady (to a team we will not be facing in the playoffs).
I like this for you (as a fellow Gordon owner). He got 17 targets on limited snaps when they were working him back into the lineup! There's no one else in Cleveland and he is going to dominate. I'm a fan of trading good players for fantasy studs, but I also don't like the other 2 players you got that much. They feel like chaff thrown in with the real goal.

Being deep at QB makes this trade a lot more acceptable, and there's always the chance that those 1sts don't turn into the stud player that the owner thinks they will.

Also, if Gordon stays out of trouble for 1 year his slate is wiped clean.

 
12 team PPR:

Give:

Tom Brady

Vincent Jackson

Theo Riddick

2015 1st (bottom 4)

2015 1st (somewhere in 4-8 most likely)

Get:

Josh Gordon

Ben Tate

Charles Clay
Way too much for Gordon
VJax, a late and middle 1st is a good price if he returns to 2013 Gordon.
And IF Theo Riddick takes over the Reggie Bush role next year it looks horrible.
Yikes. I was the owner getting Gordon and I was thrilled with this deal. FYI, "bottom 4 pick" meant 1.09-1.12 range.

I probably don't need to tell you how good Gordon is, so I guess it's just a question of difference of opinion about his risk. I was a loud "trade Gordon" guy for much of the off-season (as soulfly can attest to) but the new policy signaled a pretty significant shift for the NFL and I think Gordon is much less of a risk now.

"VJax, a late and middle 1st is a good price if he returns to 2013 Gordon."

If Gordon returns to 2013 Gordon (which there's really no reason to think he won't), you won't get near him for a late and a mid 1st. Jackson was a throw-in - he's been unstartable this year and that won't get better with age.

Just my opinion obviously, but you don't pass up on elite guys like Gordon, even with his risks, because you want to hold on to guys like Vincent Jackson and Theo Riddick.

ETA: Not that it matters, but also had P. Manning and R. Wilson, couldn't get anyone to ante up for a QB at all really, so didn't mind letting go of Brady (to a team we will not be facing in the playoffs).
I like this for you (as a fellow Gordon owner). He got 17 targets on limited snaps when they were working him back into the lineup! There's no one else in Cleveland and he is going to dominate. I'm a fan of trading good players for fantasy studs, but I also don't like the other 2 players you got that much. They feel like chaff thrown in with the real goal.

Being deep at QB makes this trade a lot more acceptable, and there's always the chance that those 1sts don't turn into the stud player that the owner thinks they will.

Also, if Gordon stays out of trouble for 1 year his slate is wiped clean.
Clay was there to even up the rosters so the trade would go through. I got that sense for Tate as well. I don't really care about either of them.

I'm in a 12 team PPR, TE premium QB super-flex league that starts 11 offensive players. I wouldn't do this trade in that league. But in a 1 QB shallow 12 team league, you gotta aim to consolidate up, IMO. And of course nobody feels like paying up for QB's with so many good ones out there, so Brady was just a guy we wanted to liquidate.

Lineup heading into the playoffs:

Manning

Murray

McCoy

Gordon

G. Tate

R. White

Gronk

Ingram

A. Johnson

 

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