MAC_32
Footballguy
SC, Georgia is going to struggle to overcome their inexperienced defense and SC has extra rest in their favor because of both the Thursday game and weak opponent. Losing Mitchell is huge, was ready to breakout.
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jurb26
Footballguy
I still have it about even. I can't see Georgia's O-line and defense doing so badly two weeks in a row, particularly between the hedges.
SC showed a powerful running game on Thursday. Mike Davis could be the difference maker.
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jurb26
Footballguy
I think Georgia pulls this one off. The loss of Mitchell is going to hurt but I think Georgia can and will run the ball on S. Carolina. From there it comes down to QB play, which IMO favors Georgia. Georgia will be playing like their season is on the line, because it is. Being at home I think they win.
Murray is more talented, but I haven't been impressed with his play when the game is on the line.
The Commish
Footballguy
Given history, I don't see any reason USC shouldn't feel pretty good about this game. I think the UGA you saw is what UGA is and now they are down a star WR. Given the "urgency" of this game or UGA I predict Murray to be MIA for part, if not all of it. It remains to be seen if the Alabama game was an exception to the rule or evidence that he's turned the corner.
MAC_32
Footballguy
West Va @ Ok? Blegh. I will probably let the kids have the tv for an hour, but if I get them to bed early I'll watch the first half of Texas/BYU and see fi it's worth flipping back and forth against the main event.
I think Oregon absolutely dismantles Virginia. I think my secondary game up against SC/UGA will be Baylor/Buffalo. Really interested to watch Mack against that offense, held his own against Ohio St.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
he's a possible first round talent and easily the single best pro prospect that this program has ever produced. He's not far off from the all-time NCAA TFL record now, I think he's like 16 back with 11 games to play (if he can stay healthy).Urban Meyer was talking him up all week, talking about how he thinks Mack is the 2nd-best LB in the country and how he would start for OSU today. And he didn't disappoint....9 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and a pick-six. A Julius Peppers style pick-six where he edge-rushed, knocked the LT to the side as the LT tried to block for a WR screen....then picked the WR screen and took it 50 yards for the score as Braxton Miller couldn't catch him. He had a strip-sack called back on a penalty as well. From what I've read, a bunch of NFL front offices took serious notice at that performance.
Unfortunately, the rest of the defense is pretty bad. The team has veteran CBs and they got torched by OSU. While I don't know a ton about Baylor, if their offense is as fast as it was 2 years ago, they'll put up 50 on UB. And UB won't be able to keep up, not with a soph QB making what would be his 6th or 7th start. I'd expect something like 52-28, but I'm excited to see it..
As long as he replicates it this weekend I'll be pretty happy. Going to be an annoying few months if USC loses to a team Clemson just beat.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Carolina has won 4 years in a row. All by double digits.
Don't think Clemson has a leg to stand on until November.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
You don't know many Clemson fans do you? They don't need a leg to stand on to be annoying.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
bagger
Footballguy
would you rank tOSU over Oregon?I don't know who is counting UGA out, if they win the SEC they will be in the title game.So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Didn't Mack Brown recruit RGIII to play safety, too?Apparently Jameis wanted to go to Texas but they never offered him.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
OK, maybe the Georgia thing was a bit of hyperbole. But what about a team like Oregon State? "Season" over before Labor Day.would you rank tOSU over Oregon?I don't know who is counting UGA out, if they win the SEC they will be in the title game.So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
The Oregon vs. Ohio State debate is why preseason polls are so stupid. What did Ohio State do Saturday to prove it shouldn't have been the No. 2 team, as voters believed they were a month before? If you're (voters) going to ignore the preseason poll, then don't start voting until October.
timschochet
Footballguy
Oregon has a tougher schedule than Ohio State. If both teams run the table, Oregon will deserve to be in the National Championship game over Ohio State, IMO. However, Ohio State is more likely to run the table for precisely the same reason- an easier schedule. So the rankings don't really matter at this point.So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
As for Georgia- they're not out of it yet. But realistically, if Oregon, Ohio State, or Stanford live up to their potential, one of those three teams is going to be in the National Championship game. (And if not one of those 3, there are some other dark horses as well: Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, etc.) And they will face the best SEC team, which most likely will be Alabama, but also could be LSU, Florida, South Carolina, or Georgia. So I'm thinking that for Georgia to be in the National Championship game, they will have to win all of the rest of their games AND the SEC championship game. That's a pretty tall order.
wazoo11
Footballguy
And never offered Andrew Luck either.Didn't Mack Brown recruit RGIII to play safety, too?Apparently Jameis wanted to go to Texas but they never offered him.
MAC_32
Footballguy
A - it's September 3rdDickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
2 - Buffalo sucks
D - it's September 3rd
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
What if Oregon, Ohio State and Clemson all run the table? Why should a one-loss SEC team automatically be included? Especially if it is Georgia (with that one loss to Clemson).timschochet said:Oregon has a tougher schedule than Ohio State. If both teams run the table, Oregon will deserve to be in the National Championship game over Ohio State, IMO. However, Ohio State is more likely to run the table for precisely the same reason- an easier schedule. So the rankings don't really matter at this point.Dickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
As for Georgia- they're not out of it yet. But realistically, if Oregon, Ohio State, or Stanford live up to their potential, one of those three teams is going to be in the National Championship game. (And if not one of those 3, there are some other dark horses as well: Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, etc.) And they will face the best SEC team, which most likely will be Alabama, but also could be LSU, Florida, South Carolina, or Georgia. So I'm thinking that for Georgia to be in the National Championship game, they will have to win all of the rest of their games AND the SEC championship game. That's a pretty tall order.
BigJohn
Footballguy
2 - No.. They don't. Well, they're no CMU.A - it's September 3rdDickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
2 - Buffalo sucks
D - it's September 3rd
timschochet
Footballguy
If that happens, (which I doubt), and if no team in the SEC is undefeated, then Oregon will play Ohio State. (Sorry Clemson!)What if Oregon, Ohio State and Clemson all run the table? Why should a one-loss SEC team automatically be included? Especially if it is Georgia (with that one loss to Clemson).timschochet said:Oregon has a tougher schedule than Ohio State. If both teams run the table, Oregon will deserve to be in the National Championship game over Ohio State, IMO. However, Ohio State is more likely to run the table for precisely the same reason- an easier schedule. So the rankings don't really matter at this point.Dickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
As for Georgia- they're not out of it yet. But realistically, if Oregon, Ohio State, or Stanford live up to their potential, one of those three teams is going to be in the National Championship game. (And if not one of those 3, there are some other dark horses as well: Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, etc.) And they will face the best SEC team, which most likely will be Alabama, but also could be LSU, Florida, South Carolina, or Georgia. So I'm thinking that for Georgia to be in the National Championship game, they will have to win all of the rest of their games AND the SEC championship game. That's a pretty tall order.
But if an undefeated team (not from the SEC) is in the National Championship game, and if there are several teams with one loss competing for the second spot in that game, and one of those teams is from the SEC, then it's very likely the SEC team will be chosen. Simply put, even taking into account their non-conference lousy opponents, their schedules are tougher. All things being equal, the SEC deserves to be there.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
They wouldn't. A one-loss SEC team isn't knocking out a undefeated team from a power conference.
Clemson would clearly have nothing to worry about having beaten not only Georgia but South Carolina to go undefeated.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Again I think this all pointless arguing. That wasn't a 12-1 team in red on Saturday.
Preseason/early polls will never ever ever ever go away unless the NCAA goes to some sort of NFL style playoff seeding based on record. #####ing about them is of no value to anyone.
Just view these polls as 'notional' rankings of about where teams are ranked relative to others for the sake of (1) TV (2) Conversation (3) Internet message boards.
Just view these polls as 'notional' rankings of about where teams are ranked relative to others for the sake of (1) TV (2) Conversation (3) Internet message boards.
MAC_32
Footballguy
lolbuckeyehonk2 - No.. They don't. Well, they're no CMU.A - it's September 3rdDickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
2 - Buffalo sucks
D - it's September 3rd
They both suck. Central is 13-24 (8-16 MAC) and Buffalo is 9-27 (6-18 MAC) over the last 3 years. Both projected middle of the pack or worse this year.
We soundly beat our sucky opponent.
You scuffled around with yours and almost found yourself in a 3 point game after 3 quarters.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I appreciate the kind words, but they're a middle-of-the-road MAC team at best. I think they could get to 6-6 and bowl eligibility this year, but even that's a pie-in-the-sky dream considering they've had 1 winning season since joining 1-A in the late 90s. This is honestly probably the 3rd-best team the school has had since I started following the team closely in 2004.2 - No.. They don't. Well, they're no CMU.A - it's September 3rdDickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
2 - Buffalo sucks
D - it's September 3rd
UB was rattled early on and I think OSU kinda sleepwalked through the game til the aforementioned Mack strip-sack. As close as the score may have gotten, OSU was never really in trouble. I don't really read anything into it on either OSU's end or UB's end. OSU should've won the game handily, and they did.
gump
Footballguy
Mack had it great when he could hide his laziness in recruiting by cherry picking the best talent in the best state...but those days are over, and hes exposed. I still only see 1 of the top 10 players in Texas committed to UT so far.Premier said:Apparently Jameis wanted to go to Texas but they never offered him.
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jurb26
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My guess would be in this situation we have an Oregon/Clemson title game. Both have far tougher schedules than OSU and both strong enough to knock out any 1 loss SEC team. Yes even Bama.What if Oregon, Ohio State and Clemson all run the table? Why should a one-loss SEC team automatically be included? Especially if it is Georgia (with that one loss to Clemson).timschochet said:Oregon has a tougher schedule than Ohio State. If both teams run the table, Oregon will deserve to be in the National Championship game over Ohio State, IMO. However, Ohio State is more likely to run the table for precisely the same reason- an easier schedule. So the rankings don't really matter at this point.As for Georgia- they're not out of it yet. But realistically, if Oregon, Ohio State, or Stanford live up to their potential, one of those three teams is going to be in the National Championship game. (And if not one of those 3, there are some other dark horses as well: Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, etc.) And they will face the best SEC team, which most likely will be Alabama, but also could be LSU, Florida, South Carolina, or Georgia. So I'm thinking that for Georgia to be in the National Championship game, they will have to win all of the rest of their games AND the SEC championship game. That's a pretty tall order.Dickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
The Commish
Footballguy
Why not? We have folks giving rankings before all the games are played. Seems to be SOPAre we going over National Championship game scenarios after 1 week?
jurb26
Footballguy
Oregon has a legit schedule this year thanks to the strength of the PAC12. Stanford and UCLA are real players, Wash is pretty good as well. If they run that table they will likely get a strong South team in the PAC title game.
prefontaine
Footballguy
ratings are in and America loves them some Owls! Rice's first nationally broadcast game in a few years was the 4th highest rated game of the weekend at 2.9!
I'm certain this means many more games will be picked up nationally
I'm certain this means many more games will be picked up nationally
General Malaise
Footballguy
ratings are in and America loves them some Owls! Rice's first nationally broadcast game in a few years was the 4th highest rated game of the weekend at 2.9!
I'm certain this means many more games will be picked up nationally
Moe.
Footballguy
You can justify any ranking at this point in the season, getting up in arms over this stuff in September is silly. Polls are always stupid (the very idea of it is so so dumb) and especially so at the beginning of the season.Dickie Dunn said:So Oregon rolling over Nicholls State was really worthy of jumping to the No. 2 spot over Ohio State, which "struggled" with a hugely underrated MAC team with a legit first-round NFL prospect? OK.
And people are counting Georgia out of the national championship conversation before Labor Day. Yeah, great system (and it won't get any better with the four-game playoff). Every game counts!
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Yeah, Dickie Dunn. it's not like Oregon fans are walking around the state today, high fiving and saying "WE'RE NUMBER TWO!!!" Who cares. Early season polls are for casual fans and people who don't gamble.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
I guess I didn't mean to make a big deal out of it. I just found it really strange. I didn't think the performance by either team Saturday was enough to cause a voter to change his mind.
Then again, it also happened last season -- oddly enough, to the team that played Buffalo. Georgia won 45-23, but dropped from 6 to 7 behind Florida State, which rolled over an FCS school (Murray State, 69-3). Also, Arkansas jumped two spots for beating FCS Jacksonville State, ahead of a South Carolina team that beat Vanderbilt.
Then again, it also happened last season -- oddly enough, to the team that played Buffalo. Georgia won 45-23, but dropped from 6 to 7 behind Florida State, which rolled over an FCS school (Murray State, 69-3). Also, Arkansas jumped two spots for beating FCS Jacksonville State, ahead of a South Carolina team that beat Vanderbilt.
The Commish
Footballguy
In my experience the hardcore fans put way more stock in them than the casual fans. There are some where their football team is their life....how it goes is how they go and they refuse to let go of the praise. Most casual fans I know don't understand the point of the polls at this stage of the game. They tend to be a bit more logical and MUCH less emotional.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I agree but I do think they matter (although they should not). If you're unranked and not in the SEC, it takes a lonnnnng time to break into the poll. It helps for exposure to start high and stay highly ranked and exposure still plays a huge role in recruiting and dollars.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
The higher you're ranked from the beginning the more likely it is you can survive one loss and still have a shot too. It's pretty naive to pretend these early polls don't matter.
The Commish
Footballguy
Oh no, I agree with you...I understand 100% that they matter and that's unfortunate. Fortunately, this SHOULD be the last season that they matter. With the committee being formed they will be obsolete (if they do things correctly). The point I was trying to make in that post was that in my experience casual fans don't pay a whole lot of attention to the polls this time of year. It's the people desperately needing their team to win the "championship" that are clinging to them already.
