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Gonna say this once because it will either be flat out ignored or twisted, but I think it has to be said. The fewer games teams of a conference play OOC, the harder it is for the computers to rank them. These equations are written in a manner such that if a select group of teams play each other more than not, over time the numbers get skewed. Everyone remember the complaints about the computer love for OSU this past year? They played 9 conference games and an FCS school leaving them 2 OOC teams. That limits the calculations of the computers. If the B1G decided to play an extra conference game in lieu of another OOC game, guess what would happen to the rankings of each of the teams in the B1G.
I agree. In fact, when people were salivating over the Big 12's SOS this year, I pointed this fact out many times. I'm pretty confident that the Big 12 playing 9 in conference games made the difference in the computers, because there weren't a lot of OOC signature wins for the Big 12 in 2011.I think at the very least, conferences should be required to have equal number of conference games, and conferences should also become standardized in the championship games. If we are going to attempt to have everything square and even, then we need to get things as even as possible.
 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.

 
'GDogg said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
One game (at Miami) on the road other than Tallahassee.
Pathetic. Not to single out Florida since everyone does it, but that needs to be another rule change: half your games at home, the other half on the road.
Not everyone does it. I'm not sticking up for the entire SEC when I post Alabama's history of OOC....especially not UF's.
Yes, everyone does it. Please show me a team that splits it's OOC scheduling year by year.
I'm referring to the 'one game on the road other than Tallahassee'.As everyone else said...splitting OOC games is not realistic. Splitting BIG OOC is though...and not just your natural yearly OOC rival.
Why isn't it realistic? UCLA plays home and home schedules with pretty much everyone they play (other than this upcoming Texas game at a "neutral" site...in Dallas).
Not realistic in that there is nothing pushing them to do it. The top SEC schools make more $ than anyone not named Texas, they end up playing at least 5 ranked teams a year, and they can play the 1 premier OOC game for national exposure and national/regional recruiting. These add'l home game provide the balance they think they need for maximizing onfield and off-field goals.
 
'GDogg said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
One game (at Miami) on the road other than Tallahassee.
Pathetic. Not to single out Florida since everyone does it, but that needs to be another rule change: half your games at home, the other half on the road.
Not everyone does it. I'm not sticking up for the entire SEC when I post Alabama's history of OOC....especially not UF's.
Yes, everyone does it. Please show me a team that splits it's OOC scheduling year by year.
I'm referring to the 'one game on the road other than Tallahassee'.As everyone else said...splitting OOC games is not realistic. Splitting BIG OOC is though...and not just your natural yearly OOC rival.
Why isn't it realistic? UCLA plays home and home schedules with pretty much everyone they play (other than this upcoming Texas game at a "neutral" site...in Dallas).
Not realistic in that there is nothing pushing them to do it. The top SEC schools make more $ than anyone not named Texas, they end up playing at least 5 ranked teams a year, and they can play the 1 premier OOC game for national exposure and national/regional recruiting. These add'l home game provide the balance they think they need for maximizing onfield and off-field goals.
Which is another reason why the current BCS formula sucks.So, it is realistic (in terms of it is possible), but the SEC schools simply won't do it (not that they can't do it). Like I said, they're smart in that they are gaming the system, but don't try to say that they are scheduling the same way. They aren't.

 
Gonna say this once because it will either be flat out ignored or twisted, but I think it has to be said. The fewer games teams of a conference play OOC, the harder it is for the computers to rank them. These equations are written in a manner such that if a select group of teams play each other more than not, over time the numbers get skewed. Everyone remember the complaints about the computer love for OSU this past year? They played 9 conference games and an FCS school leaving them 2 OOC teams. That limits the calculations of the computers. If the B1G decided to play an extra conference game in lieu of another OOC game, guess what would happen to the rankings of each of the teams in the B1G.
I agree. In fact, when people were salivating over the Big 12's SOS this year, I pointed this fact out many times. I'm pretty confident that the Big 12 playing 9 in conference games made the difference in the computers, because there weren't a lot of OOC signature wins for the Big 12 in 2011.I think at the very least, conferences should be required to have equal number of conference games, and conferences should also become standardized in the championship games. If we are going to attempt to have everything square and even, then we need to get things as even as possible.
So you can see this for the B12, but not the SEC?
 
By the way, when I was doing the research on the OOC schedules for all the teams, I reminded myself of something. I hate most SEC teams. I honestly don't know why I've spent so much time defending them. Is the SEC dominant? Right now of course. But it made me sick to see Auburn, LSU and Florida win championships. I never pulled for them to win, and I still wish I could blot the Cam Newton season out of my memory.

I still don't think there was a vast conspiracy to create an illusion of SEC dominance. I still don't think the SEC's OOC schedule is all that different than what MOST of the top schools have. I still think the SEC has an incredible bowl record in the last 15 years.

But the truth is, I usually get in arguments with buddies because I always pull AGAINST SEC teams in OOC games. One of the worst days of last year was when Auburn lucked out and came back against Utah freaking State.

Anyway, I'm tired of defending these teams. I'll defend Alabama because they try and schedule a really good program every year, and because they always seem to prove themselves when it counts (under Saban). Feel free to pile on Auburn all you want. :excited:

 
Gonna say this once because it will either be flat out ignored or twisted, but I think it has to be said. The fewer games teams of a conference play OOC, the harder it is for the computers to rank them. These equations are written in a manner such that if a select group of teams play each other more than not, over time the numbers get skewed. Everyone remember the complaints about the computer love for OSU this past year? They played 9 conference games and an FCS school leaving them 2 OOC teams. That limits the calculations of the computers. If the B1G decided to play an extra conference game in lieu of another OOC game, guess what would happen to the rankings of each of the teams in the B1G.
I agree. In fact, when people were salivating over the Big 12's SOS this year, I pointed this fact out many times. I'm pretty confident that the Big 12 playing 9 in conference games made the difference in the computers, because there weren't a lot of OOC signature wins for the Big 12 in 2011.I think at the very least, conferences should be required to have equal number of conference games, and conferences should also become standardized in the championship games. If we are going to attempt to have everything square and even, then we need to get things as even as possible.
So you can see this for the B12, but not the SEC?
SEC plays 8 in conference games and 4 OOC.
 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.
I understand that. I was responding to the point that the SECC added another conference game for the SEC. My point was that this isn't much of a point. The Pac-10 already played that many conference games. All of the teams do and not just the two teams that make the SECC. So, saying that it's "just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play," as if it's a detriment, is laughable to a fan whose team is forced to play that other top game every single season (and now plays another one). The Pac-12's conference championship participants play 10 conference games.

 
'GDogg said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
One game (at Miami) on the road other than Tallahassee.
Pathetic. Not to single out Florida since everyone does it, but that needs to be another rule change: half your games at home, the other half on the road.
Not everyone does it. I'm not sticking up for the entire SEC when I post Alabama's history of OOC....especially not UF's.
Yes, everyone does it. Please show me a team that splits it's OOC scheduling year by year.
I'm referring to the 'one game on the road other than Tallahassee'.As everyone else said...splitting OOC games is not realistic. Splitting BIG OOC is though...and not just your natural yearly OOC rival.
Why isn't it realistic? UCLA plays home and home schedules with pretty much everyone they play (other than this upcoming Texas game at a "neutral" site...in Dallas).
Not realistic in that there is nothing pushing them to do it. The top SEC schools make more $ than anyone not named Texas, they end up playing at least 5 ranked teams a year, and they can play the 1 premier OOC game for national exposure and national/regional recruiting. These add'l home game provide the balance they think they need for maximizing onfield and off-field goals.
Which is another reason why the current BCS formula sucks.So, it is realistic (in terms of it is possible), but the SEC schools simply won't do it (not that they can't do it). Like I said, they're smart in that they are gaming the system, but don't try to say that they are scheduling the same way. They aren't.
I don't know if its realistic either really. You have to seemingly move mountains to get these major OOC games scheduled now.I'm saying they are scheduling the same way in that they do what needs to be done to end up with a top 20 schedule with a bunch of ranked teams on it, including a high profile national game. It just takes the SEC less games to do that right now.

 
'GDogg said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
One game (at Miami) on the road other than Tallahassee.
Pathetic. Not to single out Florida since everyone does it, but that needs to be another rule change: half your games at home, the other half on the road.
Not everyone does it. I'm not sticking up for the entire SEC when I post Alabama's history of OOC....especially not UF's.
Yes, everyone does it. Please show me a team that splits it's OOC scheduling year by year.
I'm referring to the 'one game on the road other than Tallahassee'.As everyone else said...splitting OOC games is not realistic. Splitting BIG OOC is though...and not just your natural yearly OOC rival.
Why isn't it realistic? UCLA plays home and home schedules with pretty much everyone they play (other than this upcoming Texas game at a "neutral" site...in Dallas).
Not realistic in that there is nothing pushing them to do it. The top SEC schools make more $ than anyone not named Texas, they end up playing at least 5 ranked teams a year, and they can play the 1 premier OOC game for national exposure and national/regional recruiting. These add'l home game provide the balance they think they need for maximizing onfield and off-field goals.
These are the top 10 most valuable according to Forbes:Texas

Notre Dame

Penn State

LSU

Michigan

Alabama

Georgia

Arkansas

Auburn

Oklahoma

If we're talking about TV deals, these are how the conferences break down per school (prior to recent ACC deal renewal):

1. B1G -

2. P12

3. SEC

4. B12

5. ACC

 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.
I understand that. I was responding to the point that the SECC added another conference game for the SEC. My point was that this isn't much of a point. The Pac-10 already played that many conference games. All of the teams do and not just the two teams that make the SECC. So, saying that it's "just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play," as if it's a detriment, is laughable to a fan whose team is forced to play that other top game every single season (and now plays another one). The Pac-12's conference championship participants play 10 conference games.
Actually the SECC added 2 conference games to the participants...forgot to mention that in my previous post. Prior to '92....the SEC had 7 conference games. In '92...that changed to 8 so the schedule was balanced by division.
 
'GDogg said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
One game (at Miami) on the road other than Tallahassee.
Pathetic. Not to single out Florida since everyone does it, but that needs to be another rule change: half your games at home, the other half on the road.
Not everyone does it. I'm not sticking up for the entire SEC when I post Alabama's history of OOC....especially not UF's.
Yes, everyone does it. Please show me a team that splits it's OOC scheduling year by year.
I'm referring to the 'one game on the road other than Tallahassee'.As everyone else said...splitting OOC games is not realistic. Splitting BIG OOC is though...and not just your natural yearly OOC rival.
Why isn't it realistic? UCLA plays home and home schedules with pretty much everyone they play (other than this upcoming Texas game at a "neutral" site...in Dallas).
Not realistic in that there is nothing pushing them to do it. The top SEC schools make more $ than anyone not named Texas, they end up playing at least 5 ranked teams a year, and they can play the 1 premier OOC game for national exposure and national/regional recruiting. These add'l home game provide the balance they think they need for maximizing onfield and off-field goals.
Which is another reason why the current BCS formula sucks.So, it is realistic (in terms of it is possible), but the SEC schools simply won't do it (not that they can't do it). Like I said, they're smart in that they are gaming the system, but don't try to say that they are scheduling the same way. They aren't.
I don't know if its realistic either really. You have to seemingly move mountains to get these major OOC games scheduled now.I'm saying they are scheduling the same way in that they do what needs to be done to end up with a top 20 schedule with a bunch of ranked teams on it, including a high profile national game. It just takes the SEC less games to do that right now.
I just don't see another entire conference that schedules that way. Yes, there are specific programs that do. And, yes, they are doing what they need to do under the ####ty rules. But, they have gamed the system. As I posted above as an example, with Mississippi State's utterly pathetic schedule last season, all they had to do to go to a bowl was go 2-6 in conference because they virtually guaranteed themselves four wins OOC. And, it cuts back to the original point about preseason schedules. If Mississippi St. is ranked to start the year, they will not be penalized for playing such a ridiculous non-conference schedule. Or, if they are just outside the top 25. On the contrary, they'll be rewarded as the teams that play real schedules lose. Then, they get to the SEC schedule (when everyone else in the country is also now in conference) and won't get as hurt because they are undefeated and playing an undefeated Kentucky team or Vanderbilt or Auburn, etc., etc. in a conference that went 32-4 prior to the conference slate (for example). So, of course their schedule is going to end up top 20.

But, hey, it works.

 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.
I understand that. I was responding to the point that the SECC added another conference game for the SEC. My point was that this isn't much of a point. The Pac-10 already played that many conference games. All of the teams do and not just the two teams that make the SECC. So, saying that it's "just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play," as if it's a detriment, is laughable to a fan whose team is forced to play that other top game every single season (and now plays another one). The Pac-12's conference championship participants play 10 conference games.
Actually the SECC added 2 conference games to the participants...forgot to mention that in my previous post. Prior to '92....the SEC had 7 conference games. In '92...that changed to 8 so the schedule was balanced by division.
They also added two schools around that time as well right? To be clear, the SECC game added an additional "conference" game for the two schools playing, not everyone.
 
'GDogg said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
'gump said:
'azgroover said:
One game (at Miami) on the road other than Tallahassee.
Pathetic. Not to single out Florida since everyone does it, but that needs to be another rule change: half your games at home, the other half on the road.
Not everyone does it. I'm not sticking up for the entire SEC when I post Alabama's history of OOC....especially not UF's.
Yes, everyone does it. Please show me a team that splits it's OOC scheduling year by year.
I'm referring to the 'one game on the road other than Tallahassee'.As everyone else said...splitting OOC games is not realistic. Splitting BIG OOC is though...and not just your natural yearly OOC rival.
Why isn't it realistic? UCLA plays home and home schedules with pretty much everyone they play (other than this upcoming Texas game at a "neutral" site...in Dallas).
Not realistic in that there is nothing pushing them to do it. The top SEC schools make more $ than anyone not named Texas, they end up playing at least 5 ranked teams a year, and they can play the 1 premier OOC game for national exposure and national/regional recruiting. These add'l home game provide the balance they think they need for maximizing onfield and off-field goals.
These are the top 10 most valuable according to Forbes:Texas

Notre Dame

Penn State

LSU

Michigan

Alabama

Georgia

Arkansas

Auburn

Oklahoma

If we're talking about TV deals, these are how the conferences break down per school (prior to recent ACC deal renewal):

1. B1G -

2. P12

3. SEC

4. B12

5. ACC
Didn't mean to dis the Big 10 money makers and ND...but the point's the same right...the SEC majors are still meeting their goals.
 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.
I understand that. I was responding to the point that the SECC added another conference game for the SEC. My point was that this isn't much of a point. The Pac-10 already played that many conference games. All of the teams do and not just the two teams that make the SECC. So, saying that it's "just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play," as if it's a detriment, is laughable to a fan whose team is forced to play that other top game every single season (and now plays another one). The Pac-12's conference championship participants play 10 conference games.
Actually the SECC added 2 conference games to the participants...forgot to mention that in my previous post. Prior to '92....the SEC had 7 conference games. In '92...that changed to 8 so the schedule was balanced by division.
I understand that, but it still doesn't change the point.All teams in the SEC play 8 conference games. The SECC participants play 9.

All teams in the Pac-12 play 9 conference games. The Pac-12 CG participants play 10.

Prior to this year, all Pac-10 teams played 9 conference games. There was no Pac-10 championship game because there was no need - they had a true champion. Every school played every other school.

 
Didn't mean to dis the Big 10 money makers and ND...but the point's the same right...the SEC majors are still meeting their goals.
I actually wonder if playing more big OOC games would hurt those financial goals? I haven't read all of this thread....but do we know how a decent road OOC compares to a patsy home game in revenue?
 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.
I understand that. I was responding to the point that the SECC added another conference game for the SEC. My point was that this isn't much of a point. The Pac-10 already played that many conference games. All of the teams do and not just the two teams that make the SECC. So, saying that it's "just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play," as if it's a detriment, is laughable to a fan whose team is forced to play that other top game every single season (and now plays another one). The Pac-12's conference championship participants play 10 conference games.
Actually the SECC added 2 conference games to the participants...forgot to mention that in my previous post. Prior to '92....the SEC had 7 conference games. In '92...that changed to 8 so the schedule was balanced by division.
I understand that, but it still doesn't change the point.All teams in the SEC play 8 conference games. The SECC participants play 9.

All teams in the Pac-12 play 9 conference games. The Pac-12 CG participants play 10.

Prior to this year, all Pac-10 teams played 9 conference games. There was no Pac-10 championship game because there was no need - they had a true champion. Every school played every other school.
If 7 SEC conf games was accomplishing the same as 8 Pac-10...then having another tough game was definitely a turn off.
 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.
I understand that. I was responding to the point that the SECC added another conference game for the SEC. My point was that this isn't much of a point. The Pac-10 already played that many conference games. All of the teams do and not just the two teams that make the SECC. So, saying that it's "just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play," as if it's a detriment, is laughable to a fan whose team is forced to play that other top game every single season (and now plays another one). The Pac-12's conference championship participants play 10 conference games.
Actually the SECC added 2 conference games to the participants...forgot to mention that in my previous post. Prior to '92....the SEC had 7 conference games. In '92...that changed to 8 so the schedule was balanced by division.
They also added two schools around that time as well right? To be clear, the SECC game added an additional "conference" game for the two schools playing, not everyone.
They did add Arkansas and South Carolina that year. Right....I'm just saying the creation of the SECC and 6 team divisions added the 1 to everyone.
 
'GDogg said:
'shader said:
ALSO, you have to include the fact that the SEC started the whole "conference championship" game thing, which did the conference no favors. Alabama's game against Miami in 92 was almost disrupted by Bama having to play a great Florida team. That's just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play.

Other conferences eventually fell in line and now things are pretty even in that area, but you guys are the ones using history to try and bring some vast SEC conspiracy into the fold.
This is a ridiculous point.I'd have to look up the other conferences, but the Pac-10 didn't need to have a conference championship. Unlike the SEC, the Pac-10 plays every team in the conference. Every team in the Pac-10 played 9 conference games. They all played each other. The two teams that meet up in the SEC championship game were the only two teams that played 9 conference games.
The SECC was created by Roy Kramer to become the Super Bowl of the SEC. Huge money, huge exposure...brilliant idea that all other conferences eventually copied, and that changed college football.The affect was that the major schools themselves were terrified of Kramer's idea, and began to drop big OOC games....thinking the road to a championship was getting too difficult with the SECC. Its pretty clear when the two premier programs in the conference, UT and Alabama, stopped in '90 and '91 then started again in the late 90's and '00.

Not exactly sure what triggered them starting back up...BCS maybe?....but the SECC definitely turned them off of OOC for a few years.
I understand that. I was responding to the point that the SECC added another conference game for the SEC. My point was that this isn't much of a point. The Pac-10 already played that many conference games. All of the teams do and not just the two teams that make the SECC. So, saying that it's "just another top game that SEC teams were forced to play," as if it's a detriment, is laughable to a fan whose team is forced to play that other top game every single season (and now plays another one). The Pac-12's conference championship participants play 10 conference games.
Actually the SECC added 2 conference games to the participants...forgot to mention that in my previous post. Prior to '92....the SEC had 7 conference games. In '92...that changed to 8 so the schedule was balanced by division.
I understand that, but it still doesn't change the point.All teams in the SEC play 8 conference games. The SECC participants play 9.

All teams in the Pac-12 play 9 conference games. The Pac-12 CG participants play 10.

Prior to this year, all Pac-10 teams played 9 conference games. There was no Pac-10 championship game because there was no need - they had a true champion. Every school played every other school.
If 7 SEC conf games was accomplishing the same as 8 Pac-10...then having another tough game was definitely a turn off.
Ok. I guess I don't see your point. Accomplishing the same? I'm not sure what that means, to be honest.That Pac-10 played 9 conference games. Whining that your champion now has to play 9 conference games is ridiculous. Welcome to the club!

 
Gonna say this once because it will either be flat out ignored or twisted, but I think it has to be said. The fewer games teams of a conference play OOC, the harder it is for the computers to rank them. These equations are written in a manner such that if a select group of teams play each other more than not, over time the numbers get skewed. Everyone remember the complaints about the computer love for OSU this past year? They played 9 conference games and an FCS school leaving them 2 OOC teams. That limits the calculations of the computers. If the B1G decided to play an extra conference game in lieu of another OOC game, guess what would happen to the rankings of each of the teams in the B1G.
I agree. In fact, when people were salivating over the Big 12's SOS this year, I pointed this fact out many times. I'm pretty confident that the Big 12 playing 9 in conference games made the difference in the computers, because there weren't a lot of OOC signature wins for the Big 12 in 2011.I think at the very least, conferences should be required to have equal number of conference games, and conferences should also become standardized in the championship games. If we are going to attempt to have everything square and even, then we need to get things as even as possible.
So you can see this for the B12, but not the SEC?
SEC plays 8 in conference games and 4 OOC.
Now...and at least one of those teams is generally void of being part of the computer equation because they are a division 2 school. Go back a few pages to the Florida schedules posted and count OOC games there. Florida isn't the only one.Tell you what...go look at say 1990 - 1994 for Alabama and compare it to the same years for Michigan since those are our Alma-maters. Tell me what the OOC schedules looked like during that time. Don't want those years, pick 4-5 other years during that time....tell me what you find.
 
Gonna say this once because it will either be flat out ignored or twisted, but I think it has to be said. The fewer games teams of a conference play OOC, the harder it is for the computers to rank them. These equations are written in a manner such that if a select group of teams play each other more than not, over time the numbers get skewed. Everyone remember the complaints about the computer love for OSU this past year? They played 9 conference games and an FCS school leaving them 2 OOC teams. That limits the calculations of the computers. If the B1G decided to play an extra conference game in lieu of another OOC game, guess what would happen to the rankings of each of the teams in the B1G.
I agree. In fact, when people were salivating over the Big 12's SOS this year, I pointed this fact out many times. I'm pretty confident that the Big 12 playing 9 in conference games made the difference in the computers, because there weren't a lot of OOC signature wins for the Big 12 in 2011.I think at the very least, conferences should be required to have equal number of conference games, and conferences should also become standardized in the championship games. If we are going to attempt to have everything square and even, then we need to get things as even as possible.
So you can see this for the B12, but not the SEC?
SEC plays 8 in conference games and 4 OOC.
Now...and at least one of those teams is generally void of being part of the computer equation because they are a division 2 school. Go back a few pages to the Florida schedules posted and count OOC games there. Florida isn't the only one.Tell you what...go look at say 1990 - 1994 for Alabama and compare it to the same years for Michigan since those are our Alma-maters. Tell me what the OOC schedules looked like during that time. Don't want those years, pick 4-5 other years during that time....tell me what you find.
Interesting to look back. I'll do OU:1990UCLAPittsburghTulsaTexas1991North TexasUtah StateVirginia TechTexas1992Texas TechArkansas StateUSCTexas1993TCUTexas A&MTulsaTexas1994SyracuseTexas A&MTexas TechTexas
 
Now...and at least one of those teams is generally void of being part of the computer equation because they are a division 2 school. Go back a few pages to the Florida schedules posted and count OOC games there. Florida isn't the only one.Tell you what...go look at say 1990 - 1994 for Alabama and compare it to the same years for Michigan since those are our Alma-maters. Tell me what the OOC schedules looked like during that time. Don't want those years, pick 4-5 other years during that time....tell me what you find.
Interesting to look back. I'll do OU:1990UCLAPittsburghTulsaTexas1991North TexasUtah StateVirginia TechTexas1992Texas TechArkansas StateUSCTexas1993TCUTexas A&MTulsaTexas1994SyracuseTexas A&MTexas TechTexas
Does this list include bowl games?Here's Michigan, not including bowl games. This is when they were playing an 11 game schedule:1990NDUCLAMaryland1991Boston CollegeNDFlorida State1992NDOklahoma StateHouston1993Washington StateNDHouston1994Boston CollegeNDColorado
 
I did not include bowl games, OU only played in 3 from '89-'95. Many different issues back then with lingering Switzer related sanctions--no bowls, no TV and the loss of 7 scholarships in '89 & '90. In '91, '93 & '94 they played Virginia, Texas Tech and BYU.

Being in the Big 8 during that time period they only had 7 conference games which allowed them to play 4 OOC.

 
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'The Commish said:
Thought this would be a more fruitful exercise. Apparently, I was wrong.
I would include Alabama's, but in the 90's, around the time of the SECCG, their OOC record got pretty laughable. Of course, aside from that brief run in the early 90's, Bama as a whole was pretty much a joke for 15 years.
 
Here's UCLA during those years...

1994-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/3 vs. Tennessee (8-4) W 25 23

9/10 vs. Southern Methodist (1-9-1) W 17 10

9/17 @ Nebraska (13-0) L 21 49

1993-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/18 vs. Nebraska (11-1) L 13 14

9/30 @ San Diego State (6-6) W 52 13

10/9 vs. Brigham Young (6-6) W 68 14

1992-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/12 vs. Fullerton State (2-9) W 37 14

9/19 @ Brigham Young (8-5) W 17 10

9/26 vs. San Diego State (5-5-1) W 35 7

1991-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/7 vs. Brigham Young (8-3-2) W 27 23

9/14 @ Tennessee (9-3) L 16 30

9/26 @ San Diego State (8-4-1) W 37 12

1990-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/8 vs. Oklahoma (8-3) L 14 34

9/22 @ Michigan (9-3) L 15 38

10/13 vs. San Diego State (6-5) W 45 31

 
'The Commish said:
Thought this would be a more fruitful exercise. Apparently, I was wrong.
I would include Alabama's, but in the 90's, around the time of the SECCG, their OOC record got pretty laughable. Of course, aside from that brief run in the early 90's, Bama as a whole was pretty much a joke for 15 years.
Don't care about the record...just the teams. If that doesn't suit you, pick a time frame that works for you. This is all on the backdrop of me being so ridiculous to assert that the SEC kept most of it's games in house in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s. So pick whatever time frame that suits you. In the meantime, here is UFs:1990:Oklahoma StateFurmanAkron1991:San Jose StateSyracuseNorthern IllinoisFSU1992:LouisvilleSourther MissFSU1993:Akry StLouisiana-LafFSU1994:New Mexico StateSouthern MissFSU
 
'The Commish said:
Thought this would be a more fruitful exercise. Apparently, I was wrong.
I would include Alabama's, but in the 90's, around the time of the SECCG, their OOC record got pretty laughable.

Of course, aside from that brief run in the early 90's, Bama as a whole was pretty much a joke for 15 years.
Don't care about the record...just the teams. If that doesn't suit you, pick a time frame that works for you. This is all on the backdrop of me being so ridiculous to assert that the SEC kept most of it's games in house in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s. So pick whatever time frame that suits you. In the meantime, here is UFs:1990:

Oklahoma State

Furman

Akron

1991:

San Jose State

Syracuse

Northern Illinois

FSU

1992:

Louisville

Sourther Miss

FSU

1993:

Akry St

Louisiana-Laf

FSU

1994:

New Mexico State

Southern Miss

FSU
That Syracuse game is the last time Florida played a non-conference game outside of Florida.
 
Georgia:

1990:

Southern Miss

East Carolina

Clemson

GT

1991:

Western Carolina

Cal St - Fullerton

Clemson

GT

1992:

Cal St - Fullerton

Georgia Southern

GT

1993:

Texas Tech

Southern Miss

GT

1994:

Louisiana-Monroe

Clemson

GT

 
Alabamas 80's OOC schedule:

1980 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Notre Dame

1981 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Penn State

1982 - GT, Ark St, Cincinnati, Southern Miss, Penn State

1983 - GT, Memphis State, Southern Miss, Boston College, Penn State

1984 - Boston College, GT, Cincinnati, Penn State

1985 - TAMU, Cincinnati, Memphis St, Southern Miss, Penn State

1986 - Ohio State (Giant Stadium), Southern Miss, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Temple, Penn State

1987 - Southern Miss, SW La, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Penn State

1988 - Temple, SW La, TAMU, Penn State

1989 - Memphis St, SW La, Southern Miss, Penn State

ETA: Bolded away games

 
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Alabamas 80's OOC schedule:

1980 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Notre Dame

1981 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Penn State

1982 - GT, Ark St, Cincinnati, Southern Miss, Penn State

1983 - GT, Memphis State, Southern Miss, Boston College, Penn State

1984 - Boston College, GT, Cincinnati, Penn State

1985 - TAMU, Cincinnati, Memphis St, Southern Miss, Penn State

1986 - Ohio State (Giant Stadium), Southern Miss, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Temple, Penn State

1987 - Southern Miss, SW La, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Penn State

1988 - Temple, SW La, TAMU, Penn State

1989 - Memphis St, SW La, Southern Miss, Penn State

ETA: Bolded away games
Are we now moving backwards to the 80s?
 
Alabamas 80's OOC schedule:

1980 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Notre Dame

1981 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Penn State

1982 - GT, Ark St, Cincinnati, Southern Miss, Penn State

1983 - GT, Memphis State, Southern Miss, Boston College, Penn State

1984 - Boston College, GT, Cincinnati, Penn State

1985 - TAMU, Cincinnati, Memphis St, Southern Miss, Penn State

1986 - Ohio State (Giant Stadium), Southern Miss, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Temple, Penn State

1987 - Southern Miss, SW La, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Penn State

1988 - Temple, SW La, TAMU, Penn State

1989 - Memphis St, SW La, Southern Miss, Penn State

ETA: Bolded away games
Are we now moving backwards to the 80s?
Didn't you ask for the 80's?
Don't care about the record...just the teams. If that doesn't suit you, pick a time frame that works for you. This is all on the backdrop of me being so ridiculous to assert that the SEC kept most of it's games in house in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s. So pick whatever time frame that suits you.
 
Here's Michigan from the 80s. It's going to severely mess with some things. Early 80s the B1G had to play everyone in conference and were playing an 11 game schedule.

1980: ND, South Carolina, Cal

1981: ND, Navy

1982: ND, UCLA

1983: Washington State, Washington

1984: Miami, Washington

1985: ND, South Carolina, Maryland

1986: ND, Oregon State, Florida State

1987: ND, Washington State, Cal St - Long Beach

1988: ND, Miami, Wake Forest

1989: ND, UCLA, Maryland

 
Alabamas 80's OOC schedule:

1980 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Notre Dame

1981 - GT, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Penn State

1982 - GT, Ark St, Cincinnati, Southern Miss, Penn State

1983 - GT, Memphis State, Southern Miss, Boston College, Penn State

1984 - Boston College, GT, Cincinnati, Penn State

1985 - TAMU, Cincinnati, Memphis St, Southern Miss, Penn State

1986 - Ohio State (Giant Stadium), Southern Miss, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Temple, Penn State

1987 - Southern Miss, SW La, Memphis St, Notre Dame, Penn State

1988 - Temple, SW La, TAMU, Penn State

1989 - Memphis St, SW La, Southern Miss, Penn State

ETA: Bolded away games
Are we now moving backwards to the 80s?
Didn't you ask for the 80's?
Don't care about the record...just the teams. If that doesn't suit you, pick a time frame that works for you. This is all on the backdrop of me being so ridiculous to assert that the SEC kept most of it's games in house in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s. So pick whatever time frame that suits you.
We had been posting 90s, but 80s works too.
 
UCLA during the 80s...

1980-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/13 vs. Colorado (1-10) W 56 14

9/20 @ Purdue (9-3) W 23 14

9/27 vs. Wisconsin (4-7) W 35 0

10/4 @ Ohio State (9-3) W 17 0

1981-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/19 @ Wisconsin (7-5) W 31 13

9/26 @ Iowa (8-4) L 7 20

10/3 vs. Colorado (3-8) W 27 7

1982-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/11 vs. Long Beach State (6-5) W 41 10

9/18 @ Wisconsin (7-5) W 51 26

9/25 @ Michigan (8-4) W 31 27

10/2 @ Colorado (2-8-1) W 34 6

1983-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/3 @ Georgia (10-1-1) L 8 19

9/24 @ Nebraska (12-1) L 10 42

10/1 vs. Brigham Young (11-1) L 35 37

1984-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/8 @ San Diego State (4-7-1) W 18 15

9/15 vs. Long Beach State (4-7) W 23 17

9/22 vs. Nebraska (10-2) L 3 42

9/29 @ Colorado (1-10) W 33 16

1985-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/7 @ Brigham Young (11-3) W 27 24

9/14 @ Tennessee (9-1-2) T 26 26

9/21 vs. San Diego State (5-6-1) W 34 16

1986-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/6 @ Oklahoma (11-1) L 3 38

9/20 @ San Diego State (8-4) W 45 14

9/27 vs. Long Beach State (6-5) W 41 23

1987-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/5 vs. San Diego State (5-7) W 47 14

9/12 @ Nebraska (10-2) L 33 42

9/19 vs. Fresno State (6-5) W 17 0

1988-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/3 vs. San Diego State (3-8) W 59 6

9/10 vs. Nebraska (11-2) W 41 28

9/17 vs. Long Beach State (3-9) W 56 3

1989-UCLA (Pac 10)

9/9 vs. Tennessee (11-1) L 6 24

9/16 @ San Diego State (6-5-1) W 28 25

9/23 vs. Michigan (10-2) L 23 24

 
It's been an epic fail. For that I apologize, but in my defense I thought he was open to genuine conversation. Since things started getting posted, it's been crickets....we can move on.

 
Here's an article in USA Today outlining '10-11 revenues and expenses by school:

http://www.usatoday....210/1#mainstory

'Texas' program is one of only 22 across Division I that operate in the black'

Code:
School      RevenueTexas     $150MOSU     $131MAlabama    $125MUF     $123MMichigan     $123MPenn St    $116MLSU     $107MUT     $104MOklahoma     $104MAuburn     $103M
 
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Here's an article in USA Today outlining '10-11 revenues and expenses by school:

http://www.usatoday....210/1#mainstory

'Texas' program is one of only 22 across Division I that operate in the black'

Code:
School      RevenueTexas     $150MOSU     $131MAlabama    $125MUF     $123MMichigan     $123MPenn St    $116MLSU     $107MUT     $104MOklahoma     $104MAuburn     $103M
This is always interesting when you throw in the number of sports each school actually participates in. The numbers get even worse.
 
Committee approach the way to go when selecting four-team playoff

Andy Staples

SI.com

AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. -- A mover-shaker type asked me an excellent playoff question at the ACC spring meetings this week.

How do you avoid a Stanford-Oregon situation?

As conference leaders across the country hammer out their playoff preferences during the next few weeks, that question will dominate the conversation. It seems clear leaders know what they want (a four-team playoff) and where they want the semifinals played (in bowls), but they can't seem to agree on who should make the field and how that group should be selected.

ACC and Big Ten leaders threw their support behind a model that gives preference to conference champions. The Big Ten would like to see conference champions within the top six in the playoff. Those leagues will face staunch opposition from the SEC, which will sensibly argue that the four best teams regardless of affiliation should make the tournament. But no matter how that debate ends, the next step should be the creation of a blue-ribbon selection committee to pick the teams.

Sure, fans would spin any number of conspiracy theories as to why committee members left out one team or included another, but a committee made up of smart, informed people with something to lose (athletic directors and conference commissioners) will make the fairest possible decisions. This would only work if the committee is willing to be transparent. After announcing the matchups, the chair will have to go on television and explain exactly why the last teams in made it and the first teams out didn't. He or she will have to be specific, and committee members must not be afraid to hurt the feelings of coaches or athletic directors they know when they offer critiques of the teams that didn't make the cut. For inspiration, look to the NCAA men's basketball selection committee, which at the prodding of recently ousted tournament director Greg Shaheen became much more transparent in recent years. The reveal of the "true seeds" this year was a stroke of genius that should be carried into football. But a football committee would have to take that concept a step further. It would need to reveal the true seeds of the first four or so teams that didn't make the field as well.

The committee would eliminate several of the major problems posed by the polls and computer rankings. First, the committee wouldn't begin deliberation until the entire body of work was submitted. This would keep preseason poll bias from creeping into the selection process. It doesn't matter what I or anyone else thought Alabama would do in August. All that matters is what the Crimson Tide did from September through the first weekend in December. Second, committee members would be intelligent enough to avoid the trap of, as Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott calls it, tracking one loss.

To understand leaders' greatest fear, simply look back at last season's final BCS standings. No. 4 Stanford would have made a playoff. No. 5 Oregon, the Pac-12 champ, would have just missed the playoff. Why is that a big deal? Because anyone who actually watched the games last season knows the 2011 Stanford team making a playoff over the 2011 Oregon team would have been an absolute travesty.

Stanford finished the regular season 11-1. Oregon finished the regular season 11-2. A staggering majority of voters looked at those records and carelessly slotted the Ducks below the Cardinal. They ignored the facts. On Nov. 12, Oregon played Stanford at Stanford Stadium. The Ducks annihilated the Cardinal, 53-30. Stanford couldn't even hang with Oregon on its own field. That was Stanford's only loss. Oregon lost its season opener against LSU in Dallas. LSU finished the regular season 13-0. Oregon later lost to USC in Eugene. That USC team finished 10-2. One of those losses was in triple overtime to Stanford. In other words, the Cardinal came within a gnat's eyelash of losing to USC as well.

Take all that into consideration, and we can draw only one conclusion from the final poll: The voters punished Oregon for scheduling LSU. That can't happen. The playoff cannot reward a team for playing a softer schedule.

Colleague Stewart Mandel insists voters would have acted differently had a playoff berth been at stake in that case, and I hope that's true, but I'm not so sure. That's why the playoff needs a selection committee. Whether schools choose to make the playoff open to the top four regardless of conference title or whether they place some stipulations on non-conference champions, they shouldn't leave the selection of the teams to the following three groups:

• Coaches whose jobs prevent them from watching enough games to make informed choices and who usually pass off the voting to a sports information director or operations director.

• Harris Interactive Poll voters who can't find the games on their televisions.

• Computer programmers who refuse to reveal the formulas that determine their rankings. Wes Colley is the only one of the creators of the six rankings currently in use in the BCS

Clemson coach Dabo Swinney, who has not voted in the coaches poll before, was brutally honest Tuesday. "Most of the head coaches, if they have a vote, the SID is probably more involved just because we just don't see them all," Swinney said. "That's a little bit of an issue from time to time. I wouldn't be very comfortable outside of my region with some of these teams because I just don't see them, don't study them enough."

Committee members would be forced to study teams because their reputations would rely on their selections. Choose athletic directors, conference commissioners and other assorted muckety-mucks to populate the committee and use the same conflict-of-interest rules that govern basketball selection, and it limits the possibility for chicanery. Yes, an AD or commissioner might have an incentive -- financial or otherwise -- to choose a certain program, but the negative financial incentive of being fired from a prestigious, high-paying job if caught should eliminate most temptation.

Besides being the fairest option, a committee that operates with transparency would produce a rather pleasant side effect: Better regular-season games. Because committee members wouldn't track one loss and would evaluate the entire body of work, schools will be more apt to schedule quality out-of-conference opponents. If I'm Oregon coach Chip Kelly, I don't authorize my athletic director to schedule another out-of-conference power for fear of getting jobbed by the current system. But if I knew the selection committee would reward the teams that played more challenging schedules, I'd tell my AD to load up. When that happens, the viewers win.

Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, who knows how these things work after a term on the men's hoops committee, joked to reporters in Chicago on Tuesday that committee members would need bodyguards after making their selections. That may be true. The more zealous members of certain fan bases will not look kindly on their teams being left out of college football's Final Four, but those people will get mad no matter who picks the teams. The most sensible choices will result in the fewest angry fans, and the committee would give the sport its best chance at sensible choices.

We're five or six weeks away from a final decision on the What and the Where of college football's playoff. Chances are, the Who will be decided by that point as well. The next important question will be the How. Hopefully, that question will be answered by committee.
 
I have no real problem with a committee approach, though I think it's a bit silly for four teams. It's better than the crap we have now and would begin to minimize the crappy polls which is always a plus.

 
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I have no real problem with a committee approach, though I think it's a bit silly for four teams. It's better than the crap we have now and would begin to minimize the crappy polls which is always a plus.
Committee approach doesn't do it for me. The idea of a "blue-ribbon committee" sounds like something Congress draws up to make it sound important and official. In reality you'll have a small number of people with specific affiliations and no specific guidelines or standards to make a decision.Not saying there's a better solution, but but a committee is barely better than the media. Maybe not even better.
 
A 4-team playoff is not going to work very often. I guess it's an improvement, but it isn't a significant one.

2011 -- LSU, Alabama, OSU would all be in. Presumably Oregon would get the nod over Stanford.

Sounds like it would have worked in 2011, but what if Boise State had kicked that FG against TCU? Would they have been included? Leaving out an undefeated team makes the 4-team playoff just as flawed as a 2-team playoff.

What about Houston? The Cougars lost in their CCG. Had they not lost there, what would we do?

If Oregon kicked that FG over USC, how do you separate Alabama and Oregon? Both would have one loss, each against LSU.

Four "seems" to have worked last year, but that's based on the idea that two kickers miss field goals and Houston chokes a CCG.

2010 -- Auburn, Oregon and TCU all were undefeated, and presumably all would have made the cut. Picking that 4th team, however, would have been impossible.

A one-loss Stanford? A one-loss Wisconsin? Had BSU (again) kicked a field goal, it would have been an "easy" year. Four undefeated teams. Of course, would the nation go crazy if a WAC and MWC team both made the 4-team playoff?

2009 -- Alabama and Texas were undefeated. But so were Boise State, TCU and Cincinnati. That's five undefeated teams, plus Florida was undefeated until the SECCG. This is a disaster, as odds are Florida sneaks there way in to the final four, and two of BSU/TCU/Cincinnati get left out.

2008 -- Texas, Texas Tech and OU go 11-1 and split the B12 title. Florida goes 12-1 and wins the SEC. USC goes 11-1 and wins the Pac-10. Penn State went 11-1 and won the Big 10. Alabama was undefeated until the SECCG. Oh, and guess what? Utah went undefeated.

Putting aside an 11-1 SECCG loser (which will always have supporters for entry into the final four), you've got 7 teams for 4 spots. OU and UF would have made it, and I suspect Texas and USC would have received the other two spots. Utah goes undefeated and is left out. TT goes 11-1 and gets screwed; but the real controversy comes when Delaney goes crazy after a B10 champ goes 11-1 and misses the playoffs.

2007 -- The ultimate disaster year. Hawaii goes undefeated but isn't any good. LSU has two losses but is the best team. Georgia is the 2nd ranked team but doesn't even win its division. Kansas is 12-1 but no one thinks they're any good.

Ohio State earns a berth as a one-loss conference champ, and LSU gets in as well. A two-loss Virginia Tech was 3rd in the BCS rankings; a two-loss OU was 4th. Do they get in over a 0-loss Hawaii? A one-loss Kansas? A two-loss Georgia? A two-loss USC? And on and on.

2007 was a disaster in any system, this four-team playoff one, included. Hawaii almost certainly gets left out (which would have been appropriate), but that doesn't do much to preserve the system's goals.

2006 -- OSU was undefeated. One-loss Florida and one-loss Michigan were battling for the 2nd spot, and now both can get in. Boise State was undefeated, but given little respect. Louisville and Wisconsin had one loss. USC would have had one loss but choked against UCLA. A two-loss LSU may have ended up getting that 4th spot.

A four-team playoff sounds way better than it is. A 4-team playoff that leaves out undefeated teams doesn't give us much, IMO. And you could have 5 undefeated teams in a season, as we did in '09.

That said, realignment and CCGs help. TCU and Texas are in the same conference now, as are (I think) Boise State and Cincinnati. B10 and P10 championship games will lower the number of undefeated seasons we see.

But more years than not, a 4-team playoff does nothing more than a 2-team playoff but give us two extra games of college football. If I could talk to the 4-team playoff guys, I'd ask them, how does a 4-team playoff help us in '09, '08, '07 or '06? And how does it help us if Boise State ever learns how to kick field goals?

 
I have no real problem with a committee approach, though I think it's a bit silly for four teams. It's better than the crap we have now and would begin to minimize the crappy polls which is always a plus.
Committee approach doesn't do it for me. The idea of a "blue-ribbon committee" sounds like something Congress draws up to make it sound important and official. In reality you'll have a small number of people with specific affiliations and no specific guidelines or standards to make a decision.Not saying there's a better solution, but but a committee is barely better than the media. Maybe not even better.
Works fine for basketball. The devil is always in the details. It really depends on who makes up the committee. It sure could be set up to make your assumptions reality, but it can also be set up correctly. If it is, I have no problem with it.
 

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