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GDogg said:
Christo said:
Slider6 said:
Christo said:
gump said:
GDogg said:
Rumors are spreading that Eddie Vanderdoes (5 star DT and incoming Frosh) might be back on the market after a falling out with Notre Dame. Vanderdoes chose Notre Dame on Signing Day over Alabama, UCLA and Southern Cal.
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He'll have to sit out a year too, right?
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Yes. But it'll essentially be his red shirt year. So it's not quite as big a deal as a transfer later on.
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That's not correct. If he gets out of his LOI, then he is free to go to another school and play immediately.
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How does he get out of a letter of intent? He signed it, didn't he?
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If ND releases him from his NLI, then he's fine and doesn't need to sit out. He hasn't attended a class at ND yet, so he's technically not a transfer.

As to the how, ND just needs to release him. UCLA released (well, kicked out of summer school) three incoming frosh 3 years ago (Josh Shirley - UW, Paul Richardson - Colorado, and Shaq Richardson - Arizona) and all had actually begun summer classes, but were eligible immediately.

In basketball, UCLA just hired Steve Alford. Top 100 player Allerik Freeman decided he didn't want to attend the school and UCLA released him from his NLI and he committed to Baylor two weeks ago.

This happens a lot. The flip side is that the school doesn't have to release the player. If they refuse to, then the player can appeal to the NCAA to grant him/her a release from the NLI. From what I've read, Vanderdoes and his family believe they have a legit reason to get out of the NLI and have already appealed to the NCAA.
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Even if you get a release, you still have to get cleared by the NCAA, or at least I assume it's the same as if you're an upper classman and transferring. I'm sure the NCAA will allow it if Notre Dame releases him, but I don't see why they would and I'm just pointing out it isn't guaranteed even if they do.

 
jplvr said:
GDogg said:
Christo said:
Slider6 said:
Christo said:
gump said:
GDogg said:
Rumors are spreading that Eddie Vanderdoes (5 star DT and incoming Frosh) might be back on the market after a falling out with Notre Dame. Vanderdoes chose Notre Dame on Signing Day over Alabama, UCLA and Southern Cal.
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He'll have to sit out a year too, right?
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Yes. But it'll essentially be his red shirt year. So it's not quite as big a deal as a transfer later on.
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That's not correct. If he gets out of his LOI, then he is free to go to another school and play immediately.
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How does he get out of a letter of intent? He signed it, didn't he?
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If ND releases him from his NLI, then he's fine and doesn't need to sit out. He hasn't attended a class at ND yet, so he's technically not a transfer. As to the how, ND just needs to release him. UCLA released (well, kicked out of summer school) three incoming frosh 3 years ago (Josh Shirley - UW, Paul Richardson - Colorado, and Shaq Richardson - Arizona) and all had actually begun summer classes, but were eligible immediately. In basketball, UCLA just hired Steve Alford. Top 100 player Allerik Freeman decided he didn't want to attend the school and UCLA released him from his NLI and he committed to Baylor two weeks ago. This happens a lot. The flip side is that the school doesn't have to release the player. If they refuse to, then the player can appeal to the NCAA to grant him/her a release from the NLI. From what I've read, Vanderdoes and his family believe they have a legit reason to get out of the NLI and have already appealed to the NCAA.
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Even if you get a release, you still have to get cleared by the NCAA, or at least I assume it's the same as if you're an upper classman and transferring. I'm sure the NCAA will allow it if Notre Dame releases him, but I don't see why they would and I'm just pointing out it isn't guaranteed even if they do.
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No, the NCAA would not be involved at all unless Notre Dame refuses to release him. Vanderdoes has already filed his appeal with the NCAA in preparation. He apparently did this a while ago.It's not the same as a transfer.
 
The Commish said:
gump said:
Some Oregon NCAA investigation docs released yesterday:http://www.katu.com/sports/ducks/Documents-shed-more-light-on-Oregons-NCAA-investigation-208569051.html

Not sure of any new info here....except I didn't realize they were a Repeat Offender.
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Are we going to take bets on the arbitrary "sanctions" the NCAA comes up with?? :popcorn:
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Here's some possibly unrelated info:Oregon has become a top 10 selling school for CLC/NCAA....as UNC has been for years.

USC is never close to that level.

 
The Commish said:
gump said:
Some Oregon NCAA investigation docs released yesterday:

http://www.katu.com/sports/ducks/Documents-shed-more-light-on-Oregons-NCAA-investigation-208569051.html

Not sure of any new info here....except I didn't realize they were a Repeat Offender.
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Are we going to take bets on the arbitrary "sanctions" the NCAA comes up with??
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My guess is 3 years probation, loss of 2-3 scholarships for 3 years, no bowl ban, no vacating any wins.

Basically a slap on the wrist, minimal impact.

 
Don said:
My guess is 3 years probation, loss of 2-3 scholarships for 3 years, no bowl ban, no vacating any wins.

Basically a slap on the wrist, minimal impact.
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sounds about right....the NCAA should just fold up shop, they are just here to waste everyone's time and money :lol:

 
Wonder where he will land?

Houston senior RB Charles Sims will transfer, according to Rob Sellers of Rivals.
Sims is an extremely talented runner and was poised for a great final season, so this news comes as a surprise. He led Houston with 851 rushing yards and 11 rushing touchdowns to go along with 37 receptions for 373 yards and three touchdowns. Sims will certainly have plenty of options in terms of landing spots. He has already graduated, so Sims will be eligible to play in 2013.
 
The Ref said:
Wonder where he will land?

Houston senior RB Charles Sims will transfer, according to Rob Sellers of Rivals.
Sims is an extremely talented runner and was poised for a great final season, so this news comes as a surprise. He led Houston with 851 rushing yards and 11 rushing touchdowns to go along with 37 receptions for 373 yards and three touchdowns. Sims will certainly have plenty of options in terms of landing spots. He has already graduated, so Sims will be eligible to play in 2013.
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wow...this is a surprise...wonder what put this in motion??

 
The Commish said:
The Ref said:
Wonder where he will land?

Houston senior RB Charles Sims will transfer, according to Rob Sellers of Rivals.
Sims is an extremely talented runner and was poised for a great final season, so this news comes as a surprise. He led Houston with 851 rushing yards and 11 rushing touchdowns to go along with 37 receptions for 373 yards and three touchdowns. Sims will certainly have plenty of options in terms of landing spots. He has already graduated, so Sims will be eligible to play in 2013.
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wow...this is a surprise...wonder what put this in motion??
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Maybe Jeremy Hill is gonna do some time. LSU might have an opening at RB.

 
Oh goodie...does this mean we get to listen to all the "academic standards"
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for the whole summer? Can't wait...that should be fun.

 
gump said:
Jayded said:
gump said:
Everett Golson leaves ND:http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Golson-out-ND-208970441.html?device=tablet
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More accurately: Golson dismissed from Notre Dame for academic violation. More to come but sounds like he didn't get a grade in a required class (completed enough course material to qualify for a grade) and thus it invalidates his whole semester and makes him academically ineligible.
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It wasn't plagiarism?
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No, not based on what I'm hearing. We'll likely never fully know, but people have to keep in mind how anal the ND administration is. They expelled a basketball player a few years back for pot (McAlarney).

Kelly is on vacation too, but guaranteed he totes the party line whenever he gets back and holds a press conference. I'm guessing something along the lines of, "Students at Notre Dame are held to a high standard. Everett made some poor choices and is paying the consequences. We will support him in his efforts to become a better man and become eligible again next year."

The big note coming out of yesterday is that since his suspension is academic in nature, he cannot transfer to another school (D1 or D2) and play immediately. He's basically off scholarship for the entire 2013-2014 academic year and can reapply next summer for the fall term at ND (or somewhere else should he choose).

 
SEC coaches voted 13-1 to keep the 8 game conference schedule....with Saban being the lone vote the 9 game change.

Not really sure what the purpose of the vote is...as the Presidents are the ones who agree or not to change it.

 
LSU & Wisconsin talking about a "home and home" at Houston/GB.

While I'm glad they're talking about this game, would have been much better in BR/Madison.

 
gump said:
SEC coaches voted 13-1 to keep the 8 game conference schedule....with Saban being the lone vote the 9 game change.Not really sure what the purpose of the vote is...as the Presidents are the ones who agree or not to change it.
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Hopefully their opinions matter.
 
Tiger Fan said:
LSU & Wisconsin talking about a "home and home" at Houston/GB. While I'm glad they're talking about this game, would have been much better in BR/Madison.
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UW and UA were reportedly trying to work out a h-and-h, but settled on Dallas. Can't be easy to work all the details out.
 
(CBS/AP) DETROIT - A cause of death was not determined Wednesday after an autopsy on the body of Cullen Finnerty, a Michigan man who played Division II football and was one of the most successful quarterbacks in college history.

There was no obvious sign of heart trauma on Finnerty, Lake County Sheriff Robert Hilts said.

Finnerty's body was discovered Tuesday in woods in western Michigan, 65 miles north of Grand Rapids, following a search by dozens of people, including former teammates, coaches and current players at Grand Valley State University in Allendale.

The 30-year-old was with family on a holiday weekend at a cottage in Lake County's Webber Township. He disappeared Sunday while fishing a river separately from other relatives.

The autopsy "ruled out anything real obvious," Hilts said in a phone interview. "There was nothing that stood out as to the cause of death. ... We're glad there is no foul play found at this time."

He said more results could be available this week after an examination of the brain and other tests.

"We can't move forward without that information," the sheriff said.

Hilts said Finnerty had called his wife and expressed concern about being out on the river.

"He was just uncomfortable about his surroundings at the time. He said he was getting off the river, and things went downhill from there," Hilts said.

Finnerty's body was found within a mile of where he disappeared. He had led Grand Valley State to more than 50 victories and three national titles, the last in 2006.

The searchers included Grand Valley coach Matt Mitchell, who was a defensive coach when Finnerty played, as well as former Lakers coach Chuck Martin, now offensive coordinator at Notre Dame.

Mitchell said he was "crushed" by Finnerty's death, especially considering the family he left behind, a wife and two children.

"It was a pretty quiet bus ride home," he said.

Finnerty, a star at Brighton High School, accepted an offer to play at the University of Toledo but transferred to Grand Valley after the 2001 season. He briefly was a member of the Baltimore

Ravens and later the Denver Broncos but never got a snap.

Notre Dame Coach Brian Kelly was Grand Valley's coach during the 2003 national championship season.

"It's very chilling," Kelly said Tuesday, before Finnerty's body was found. "He led me to a national championship as a true freshman. When I left, Coach Martin took over and won two more national championships. My heart goes out to the family and to his beautiful wife."
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Eddie Vanderdoes signs a grant in aid with UCLA. The family is hopeful Notre Dame will release him from his letter of intent. If not, he'll sit out this year while on scholarship and lose one year of eligibility allowing him 4 years to play 3 years beginning with the 2014 season.

 
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GDogg said:
Eddie Vanderdoes signs a grant in aid with UCLA. The family is hopeful Notre Dame will release him from his letter of intent. If not, he'll sit out this year while on scholarship and lose one year of eligibility allowing him 4 years to play 3 years beginning with the 2014 season.
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He loses a year of eligibility? Wouldn't it just be a redshirt year? I would assume (I know the NCAA isn't the most logical thing) that if he didn't get out of his LOI that he would be treated like a transfer and just have it end up being a redshirt year.

 
Slider6 said:
GDogg said:
Eddie Vanderdoes signs a grant in aid with UCLA. The family is hopeful Notre Dame will release him from his letter of intent. If not, he'll sit out this year while on scholarship and lose one year of eligibility allowing him 4 years to play 3 years beginning with the 2014 season.
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He loses a year of eligibility? Wouldn't it just be a redshirt year? I would assume (I know the NCAA isn't the most logical thing) that if he didn't get out of his LOI that he would be treated like a transfer and just have it end up being a redshirt year.
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No, he keeps the redshirt year. The penalty for breaking the NLI is a loss of one year of eligibility. He gets a scholarship (he's already signed those papers with UCLA), and can practice with the team, but he loses one year of eligibility to play.

Notre Dame is simply punishing Vanderdoes here. He's not attending Notre Dame, he's signed with UCLA (not Southern Cal as they had feared), and UCLA is not on ND's schedule. Notre Dame gains nothing by not releasing him from the NLI. But, the one-sided NLI gives them the power to do this.

Recruits (particularly the elite, Top 100 types) really need to stop signing NLIs. No school is going to prevent them from attending if they only sign a scholarship agreement.

 
GDogg said:
Slider6 said:
GDogg said:
Eddie Vanderdoes signs a grant in aid with UCLA. The family is hopeful Notre Dame will release him from his letter of intent. If not, he'll sit out this year while on scholarship and lose one year of eligibility allowing him 4 years to play 3 years beginning with the 2014 season.
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He loses a year of eligibility? Wouldn't it just be a redshirt year? I would assume (I know the NCAA isn't the most logical thing) that if he didn't get out of his LOI that he would be treated like a transfer and just have it end up being a redshirt year.
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No, he keeps the redshirt year. The penalty for breaking the NLI is a loss of one year of eligibility. He gets a scholarship (he's already signed those papers with UCLA), and can practice with the team, but he loses one year of eligibility to play.

Notre Dame is simply punishing Vanderdoes here. He's not attending Notre Dame, he's signed with UCLA (not Southern Cal as they had feared), and UCLA is not on ND's schedule. Notre Dame gains nothing by not releasing him from the NLI. But, the one-sided NLI gives them the power to do this.

Recruits (particularly the elite, Top 100 types) really need to stop signing NLIs. No school is going to prevent them from attending if they only sign a scholarship agreement.
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I wasn't aware of that little difference.

I can see it both ways with signing the LOI. It gives the schools a little bit of power, but really these kids should honor their commitments. They are all 17 or 18 and should know what the word commitment means by now.

I really think that most kids don't actually understand what the LOI means. Maybe this will spark some change or at the very least some better understanding. I won't hold my breath though, Matthew Thomas is trying to do the same thing to FSU. Though not as well.

 
Slider6 said:
GDogg said:
Slider6 said:
GDogg said:
Eddie Vanderdoes signs a grant in aid with UCLA. The family is hopeful Notre Dame will release him from his letter of intent. If not, he'll sit out this year while on scholarship and lose one year of eligibility allowing him 4 years to play 3 years beginning with the 2014 season.
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He loses a year of eligibility? Wouldn't it just be a redshirt year? I would assume (I know the NCAA isn't the most logical thing) that if he didn't get out of his LOI that he would be treated like a transfer and just have it end up being a redshirt year.
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No, he keeps the redshirt year. The penalty for breaking the NLI is a loss of one year of eligibility. He gets a scholarship (he's already signed those papers with UCLA), and can practice with the team, but he loses one year of eligibility to play. Notre Dame is simply punishing Vanderdoes here. He's not attending Notre Dame, he's signed with UCLA (not Southern Cal as they had feared), and UCLA is not on ND's schedule. Notre Dame gains nothing by not releasing him from the NLI. But, the one-sided NLI gives them the power to do this. Recruits (particularly the elite, Top 100 types) really need to stop signing NLIs. No school is going to prevent them from attending if they only sign a scholarship agreement.
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I wasn't aware of that little difference. I can see it both ways with signing the LOI. It gives the schools a little bit of power, but really these kids should honor their commitments. They are all 17 or 18 and should know what the word commitment means by now. I really think that most kids don't actually understand what the LOI means. Maybe this will spark some change or at the very least some better understanding. I won't hold my breath though, Matthew Thomas is trying to do the same thing to FSU. Though not as well.
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NLIs give the schools more than a little bit of power. It's an entirely one-sided document, drafted by one side that holds all the power. There is no input from players or anyone representing the players. And, for the most part, they all believe they must sign it in order to attend a school. I'm all for letting players go where they want. I really don't worry too much about the word "commitment" in college sports because schools and coaches aren't held to the same standard. Scholarships are renewable for one year. They can tell the kid to take a hike after a year in the program, but the kid would still have to sit out a year to transfer elsewhere. Coaches make insane promises to recruits and then turn around a bail without warning. I mean, it's laughable that Brian Kelly broke his contract with Cincinnati without any penalty to him and was allowed to coach the very next season (as he should be, by the way), but won't release a 17 or 18 year old kid to go play for a school ND will not play against, other than a bowl game, to "protect the integrity of the important program." But, bottom line for me is that I love watching college football and I would prefer to see the very best players play. They only get four years of eligibility. I'd rather see the best on the field than read about them in a practice report. And, they are 17 and 18 year old kids that are signing these contract. As you said, I don't think most of them know what it means and I don't think most of them know they don't need to sign them.
 
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GDogg said:
Slider6 said:
GDogg said:
Slider6 said:
GDogg said:
Eddie Vanderdoes signs a grant in aid with UCLA. The family is hopeful Notre Dame will release him from his letter of intent. If not, he'll sit out this year while on scholarship and lose one year of eligibility allowing him 4 years to play 3 years beginning with the 2014 season.
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He loses a year of eligibility? Wouldn't it just be a redshirt year? I would assume (I know the NCAA isn't the most logical thing) that if he didn't get out of his LOI that he would be treated like a transfer and just have it end up being a redshirt year.
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No, he keeps the redshirt year. The penalty for breaking the NLI is a loss of one year of eligibility. He gets a scholarship (he's already signed those papers with UCLA), and can practice with the team, but he loses one year of eligibility to play. Notre Dame is simply punishing Vanderdoes here. He's not attending Notre Dame, he's signed with UCLA (not Southern Cal as they had feared), and UCLA is not on ND's schedule. Notre Dame gains nothing by not releasing him from the NLI. But, the one-sided NLI gives them the power to do this. Recruits (particularly the elite, Top 100 types) really need to stop signing NLIs. No school is going to prevent them from attending if they only sign a scholarship agreement.
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I wasn't aware of that little difference. I can see it both ways with signing the LOI. It gives the schools a little bit of power, but really these kids should honor their commitments. They are all 17 or 18 and should know what the word commitment means by now. I really think that most kids don't actually understand what the LOI means. Maybe this will spark some change or at the very least some better understanding. I won't hold my breath though, Matthew Thomas is trying to do the same thing to FSU. Though not as well.
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NLIs give the schools more than a little bit of power. It's an entirely one-sided document, drafted by one side that holds all the power. There is no input from players or anyone representing the players. And, for the most part, they all believe they must sign it in order to attend a school. I'm all for letting players go where they want. I really don't worry too much about the word "commitment" in college sports because schools and coaches aren't held to the same standard. Scholarships are renewable for one year. They can tell the kid to take a hike after a year in the program, but the kid would still have to sit out a year to transfer elsewhere. Coaches make insane promises to recruits and then turn around a bail without warning. I mean, it's laughable that Brian Kelly broke his contract with Cincinnati without any penalty to him and was allowed to coach the very next season (as he should be, by the way), but won't release a 17 or 18 year old kid to go play for a school ND will not play against, other than a bowl game, to "protect the integrity of the important program." But, bottom line for me is that I love watching college football and I would prefer to see the very best players play. They only get four years of eligibility. I'd rather see the best on the field than read about them in a practice report. And, they are 17 and 18 year old kids that are signing these contract. As you said, I don't think most of them know what it means and I don't think most of them know they don't need to sign them.
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And that is where I think the HS coaches are failing the kids. They know the type of power the LOI gives the schools and they know the type of promises that are made by the college coaches. They should be in the kids ear to look past the promises and go to the school that is the best fit for them (as a player and as a student). But you have coaches that are being promised things as well. Case in point, the Alex Collins' HC. Pushed the kid to Wisconsin up to the point that Bielema left, then pushed him to Arkansas. I wouldn't be surprised to see that coach get a job at Arkansas pretty soon.

 
The NCAA has an Oregon announcement tomorrow...Lyles, illegal phone calls, etc. I'd guess a few schollys and probation.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
MAC preliminary TV schedule. ESPN3 games for only the first couple of weeks so far.
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Ah yes, the annual MAC "let's schedule a ton of games on Tuesday and Wednesday late in the year so we can get 25,000 viewers on ESPN2!!!" philosophy in full effect. UB with 3 straight Tuesday-night games 11/5 - 11/12 - 11/19. Upside is that I can see them on ESPN2 and ESPNU and I don't have to miss real college football on Saturdays....the downside is that it shows just how big a joke the program is. If they're as bad as I think they could be....those games could be brutally bad television. Maybe I'll go to the Ohio game on 11/5. #### Ohio.

 
Raider Nation said:
Christo said:
Premier said:
Raider Nation said:
It's a wrap, folks. The terrorists have won. Disgusting.

First Notre Dame.. and now BIG RED is BIG BLACK. Nothing is sacred anymore.
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Those look pretty good.
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The terrorists have still won. I'm dreading the day my Sooners do this.
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:goodposting:

Whether they "look good" or not isn't the point. How about honoring f##king TRADITION.

Wow..... another team wearing black. So fresh!
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Sadly, tradition isn't what high school kids seem to care about these days.

 
Raider Nation said:
Christo said:
Premier said:
Raider Nation said:
It's a wrap, folks. The terrorists have won. Disgusting.

First Notre Dame.. and now BIG RED is BIG BLACK. Nothing is sacred anymore.
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Those look pretty good.
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The terrorists have still won. I'm dreading the day my Sooners do this.
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:goodposting:

Whether they "look good" or not isn't the point. How about honoring f##king TRADITION.

Wow..... another team wearing black. So fresh!
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While you're worried about tradition, other programs are trying to go get these 5 stars. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
 
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