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General Malaise
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I would be absolutely blown away - SHOCKED! - if Riley took that job. Dude loves Corvallis. His wife loves it there. He's the king there.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Kiffin deserved every raw deal he got and more. I larger doosh the world has yet to create. Awful coach, horrible human being. Good riddance and please...goodbye.
Not that I don't think you're right...but this is the line that every fan base says about every coach who gets mentioned for being in the running for a job
culdeus
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timschochet
Footballguy
Talked to some USC friends of mine today: they are NOT enthusiastic about Jack Del Rio. They think he sucked with the Jaguars.
Raider Nation
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Your friends are uneducated in this matter. Del Rio would be an unbelievably terrific hire.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Yeah, but he left once already...it was a mess. There are not many coaches who return to teams, so we're dealing with a very unique situation here. Riley did not like coaching in the NFL. I don't think he'd like USC. Where he is at is where he is comfortable. He's not a spring chicken...
General Malaise
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And he's a good guy who is perfect to mold young men, which is exactly what that program needs.
Not to mention he's a great defensive mind, which is the OTHER thing that program desperately needs.
gump
Footballguy
Not all....that's where Kiffin's massive mismanagement comes in. He loaded up on JUCO signees prior to 2012, so he was sacrificing the long term for 1 shot. Remember Silas Redd? There's another spot gone, which many pointed out when he transferred.
Add in attrition....losses from transfers, kids who don't qualify, etc. Kiffin is responsible for choosing kids who will stick. That's also how Chizik imploded an Auburn roster that was reeling in top ranked classes every year.
The number I see is 44 on scholarship in 2014. Their big class of 32 kids was '11...so they will be losing close to as many as they can bring in...even with max classes beginning next year.
The Commish
Footballguy
timschochet
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Question for Gump and any other Alabama fans: The Los Angeles Times this morning compared Kiffin's tenure at USC to Mike Shula at Alabama- a caretaker coach during sanction years, fooling people with a 10-2 record one year, then ripped apart by impatient fans because he just can't win with all the restrictions imposed. Is this an accurate analogy?
Abraham
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
I've compared them many times on this board....I think that comparison was the straw that broke the camels back in a debate I was having with Joe...he couldn't take it anymore after I said that Kiffin had to prove himself some just to get to Shula's level.
From the standpoint of the situation they came in to (Kiffin with the sanctions and Shula with sanctions and following the Mike Price debacle and getting hired in early Spring), and their inability to manage a big program...they are alike.
Kiffin will follow the trail forged by Shula....QB coach at some level, then promotion to OC. Maybe someday a small school HC. Or maybe starting as a college OC.
Neither have anyone to blame but themselves. Shula was actually the coach coming out of sanctions....so had a platform for success (look at what Saban did almost immediately). Kiffin dug himself deeper while trying to get 1 great year. They both proved they weren't good enough. At least Shula is likeable though.
Dickie Dunn
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Pasqualoni canned at UConn, which is off to an 0-4 start including a loss to Towson.
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General Malaise
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Sort of. Garrett was AD, but he had been neutered by the department by that point. Southern Cal had a hiring committee for the FB job and Haden was on it. Haden wasn't the one that offered Kiffin the job, but he was definitely part of the group that told Garrett to hire him.
I'm not sure about that. They are willing to pay $6M+ for the head coach. Unlike Kiffin, any coach they hire this year is not going to be blind to the sanctions. It's going to be a huge topic of conversation for any coach coming in. That coach is going to want assurances that he has time to rebuild the roster in terms of numbers.
This is the last year of the scholarship reductions. However, because Kiffin didn't sign the full allotment of 15 last year, they can give 19 out this year, provided they find 4 early entrees.
They aren't going to be good for the next year or two, but do they have elite talent at most of the skill positions, and with good coaching and a little luck with injuries, they could be a 3-5 loss team for the next two years. They don't have any depth, though.
Pat Haden isn't an idiot and recognizes situation. If they look well-coached, the next coach is going to get a longer leash than normal to get them turned around.
I don't think that's accurate. The 2014 class is the last reduced class. Even if they had no players on the current roster, they'd have the full 85, assuming they sign full classes and have no attrition, by 2018.
But, yeah, the reductions will be felt at least through 2017, in terms of depth.
I agree completely. Plus, he's already turned them down once (and then they ended up with Carroll).General Malaise said:
I don't think Fisher would take it, either. I'm not posting names of people I think will take the job (nowadays, I have no idea who would take it or wouldn't)...just names I've read or heard they are going to contact.
gump
Footballguy
You missed the post where I expanded some....but '11 was the load up class of 32...which will be cycling out. The 2010 class of 20 will be leaving. So essentially they are just replacing kids this year, then will have to load up just to replace all the losses next year.
So that means after the 2015 signing class, they are still where they are now. So then gaining 10 per year (25 max minus 15 limit under sanctions)....gets them full in 3 years following that.
That's the math I saw...of course you need a degree in nuclear engineering to understand recruiting...so I claim none it.
No kidding.
I thought they were at 29 for the '11 class. But, that class has already had attrition (and, obviously, they were unable to replace those scholarships due to the sanctions).
These guys are all gone:
Junior Pomee (jail)
Christian Heyward (undisclosed reasons)
Amir Carlisle (transfer to ND)
Jeremy Galten (JuCo)
Dallas Kelley (JuCo)
DeVante Wilson (undisclosed reasons)
Isiah Wiley (JuCo)
Marqise Lee will also be gone from this class following this season as will a couple other guys.
So, they will be gaining players beginning with the 2015 class, assuming they take the full 25 max.
In reality, though, they'll have 85 on scholarship soon enough, but they won't have 85 D-1, Southern Cal-level, players for a looong time. Players get hurt, transfer, get kicked off/out.
The new coach is going to weed out players, so while I think they could have 85 before 2019, with all the attrition they will likely have, I think even that's optimistic.
prefontaine
Footballguy
I seriously doubt USC drops $6m on their next coach. People throw wild numbers out but Kiffin was only making $2.4m. The very top coaches make $5m and have won national titles.
Haden isn't an idiot. He isn't going to go throw money at an unproven guy and pay him more than Saban, Miles, Meyer. And he's not going to get into a bidding war with UA or LSU or OSU. I think fans love to throw out names but most just aren't that realistic even for the best jobs. USC is no different from ND or Bama or Texas or Michigan or Florida or Ohio State. It's a major. But each time those opened recently they haven't poached from another big school. Other than Saban, none were even stretch pulls where there was any chance for a money fight and he just wanted out of the NFL.
Unless they find someone that is just unhappy (Bret Beliema part deux), it's most likely going to be a midmajor or a guy with USC ties that will come in at a hometown discount.
prefontaine
Footballguy
He'd definitely be on the list of guys I'd call right off the bat to see if they were happy but I don't really think there is much shot there. He already makes a lot of money and I think his aspirations are the NFL. Rebuilding a program isn't going to make that happen faster.
I didn't say they will, but that's the number I've heard from a few people. They are willing to pay that much to get the right guy. They aren't going to pay $6M to just anyone they hire. Again, I'm not saying they will end up paying that much, but they will try to throw a bunch of money at an elite guy to get him to come.
And, with the Texas job probably opening up (and possibly Nebraska), unless they hire a coach before the end of the season, Southern Cal will have competition for a coach, which could drive salaries up. When is the last time that 2 of the top 2-5 coaching jobs were open at the same time (I haven't looked it up, so I really hope it wasn't recently and I look like a jackass here)?
And, I think your Kiffin point is actually in my favor. He wasn't exactly coveted, yet Southern Cal made him the highest paid coach in the Pac-12. I don't know if it's accurate, but in addition to Kiffin, his dad was making well over $1M a year and Ed Ogeron, their DL coach, is making $1M per year.
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bagger
Footballguy
current odds:
Broncos DC Jack Del Rio - 3/1
Boise State HC Chris Petersen - 5/1
Vanderbilt HC James Franklin - 5/1
SF 49ers OC Greg Roman - 6/1
USC DC Clancy Pendergast - 7/1
Alabama DC Kirby Smart - 8/1
Former Buccaneers HC Jon Gruden - 8/1
Washington HC Steve Sarkisian - 8/1
Clemson OC Chad Morris - 9/1
Texas A&M HC Kevin Sumlin - 12/1
Former Chiefs HC Herm Edwards - 15/1
USC interim HC Ed Orgeron - 20/1
personally would like to see gruden out of the lot.
Broncos DC Jack Del Rio - 3/1
Boise State HC Chris Petersen - 5/1
Vanderbilt HC James Franklin - 5/1
SF 49ers OC Greg Roman - 6/1
USC DC Clancy Pendergast - 7/1
Alabama DC Kirby Smart - 8/1
Former Buccaneers HC Jon Gruden - 8/1
Washington HC Steve Sarkisian - 8/1
Clemson OC Chad Morris - 9/1
Texas A&M HC Kevin Sumlin - 12/1
Former Chiefs HC Herm Edwards - 15/1
USC interim HC Ed Orgeron - 20/1
personally would like to see gruden out of the lot.
prefontaine
Footballguy
Yeah, I wouldn't say you are a jackass but in 2011 Michigan, Miami and Florida all had openings. In 2012 Ohio State, Penn State, UCLA and Texas A&M all did. It happens more often than you'd think. Last year was "mild" with only Wisconsin, Arkansas, and Tennessee.
I don't think Kiffin's salary is in your favor at all either. And JB would be awful upset to hear you say he isn't coveted. Kiffin was a guy going to his "dream job" and left Tennessee, a pretty good gig to do so. Even still, his salary at UT was essentially the same ($2.375m) as what USC gave him (UT's new coach, Butch Jones makes over $3m). So USC didn't go spend a bunch of money to get their guy. The fact that it is the highest in the PAC (I didn't know this) really shows that, at least as of a few years ago, the PAC wasn't paying what the other big conferences are.
gump
Footballguy
....what a disaster that would be. I wouldn't bet on him at a million/1.
prefontaine
Footballguy
wow, so I looked up current Pac 12 salaries:
- Steve Sarkisian: $2.55 million
- Lane Kiffin: $2.4 million (source: USA Today, based on USC tax filings)
- Jim Mora: $2.4 million
- Mike Leach: $2.25 million
- David Shaw: $2.25 million (estimate, based on info from sources)
- Rich Rodriguez: $2.025 million
- Todd Graham: $2 million
- Mike MacIntyre: $2 million
- Kyle Whittingham: $2 million
- Sonny Dykes: $1.94 million
- Mark Helfrich: $1.8 million
- Mike Riley: $1.3 million
Code:
Nick Saban Alabama $5.3 millionLes Miles LSU $3.7 millionSteve Spurrier South Carolina $3.5 millionBret Bielema Arkansas $3.2 millionMark Richt Georgia $3.2 millionKevin Sumlin Texas A&M $3.1 millionJames Franklin Vanderbilt $3.0 million*Will Muschamp Florida $3.0 millionButch Jones Tennessee $2.9 millionGary Pinkel Missouri $2.7 millionDan Mullen Mississippi State $2.6 millionGus Malzahn Auburn $2.3 millionMark Stoops Kentucky $2.2 millionHugh Freeze Ole Miss $2.0 million
fasteddie_21
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Gruden would be awesome for the comedic value. Dude wouldn't have the patience for HS/college kids. No chance that would work. I can't see Sark wanting to come back, nor being asked to come back. He's part of the Carroll group that started the whole sanction business. Don't see that happening.
If I'm a Trojan fan, I'm dying for Sumlin, but that's not happening. As others said, he's NFL bound, not rebuilding bound. Next would be Chris Peterson. He has had a ton of chances to leave BSU, but hasn't, but maybe now the time is right since BSU has already peaked? Kirby Smart would be a sexy hire too as long as he's coupled w/ a strong OC.
In the end, while I don't think they will, I hope for more fail down @ SC
I'm probably in the minority of Bama fans that actually think Smart stays to take the reins from Saban.Gruden would be awesome for the comedic value. Dude wouldn't have the patience for HS/college kids. No chance that would work. I can't see Sark wanting to come back, nor being asked to come back. He's part of the Carroll group that started the whole sanction business. Don't see that happening.
If I'm a Trojan fan, I'm dying for Sumlin, but that's not happening. As others said, he's NFL bound, not rebuilding bound. Next would be Chris Peterson. He has had a ton of chances to leave BSU, but hasn't, but maybe now the time is right since BSU has already peaked? Kirby Smart would be a sexy hire too as long as he's coupled w/ a strong OC.
In the end, while I don't think they will, I hope for more fail down @ SC
For those who don't stick their nose in the Sooners thread:
I was in South Bend Saturday. Great game. OU did exactly what it needed to do getting out of the gate fast. And every time ND started to get something going OU was able to take the momentum back. The OU fan presence was also incredible. Red all around the stadium.
The campus is great. Got to visit the Golden Dome, Touchdown Jesus, the Grotto and the Basilica. Got to see the Irish Guard getting hazed. The Notre Dame fans were great too. They couldn't believe how many OU fans showed up.
One of the best game days I've experienced.
Abraham
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It wouldn't be the first time the locals sold out.For those who don't stick their nose in the Sooners thread:
I was in South Bend Saturday. Great game. OU did exactly what it needed to do getting out of the gate fast. And every time ND started to get something going OU was able to take the momentum back. The OU fan presence was also incredible. Red all around the stadium.
The campus is great. Got to visit the Golden Dome, Touchdown Jesus, the Grotto and the Basilica. Got to see the Irish Guard getting hazed. The Notre Dame fans were great too. They couldn't believe how many OU fans showed up.
One of the best game days I've experienced.
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Good stuff. Would love to visit one day.For those who don't stick their nose in the Sooners thread:
I was in South Bend Saturday. Great game. OU did exactly what it needed to do getting out of the gate fast. And every time ND started to get something going OU was able to take the momentum back. The OU fan presence was also incredible. Red all around the stadium.
The campus is great. Got to visit the Golden Dome, Touchdown Jesus, the Grotto and the Basilica. Got to see the Irish Guard getting hazed. The Notre Dame fans were great too. They couldn't believe how many OU fans showed up.
One of the best game days I've experienced.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Raider Nation
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Drinks on me when you head up to Portland one day.Didn't think you accepted. No biggie... consider yourself unhooked.
Raider Nation
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Got any good football teams up there?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Well, we'll have to drive south a couple hours, but yeah...yeah, I think I can find you a nice game of tackle football here.Raider Nation said:Got any good football teams up there?
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