*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (5 Viewers)

[Moe.]

Isn't this the very definition of "targeting"?

Mike Davis - Texas

No

bull ####

It's not really targeting but it's about as cheap of a shot as you'll ever see and he should definitely be suspended for their next game. I have no idea who they play next week, why do you ask?

 

[culdeus]

Why is the Texas OU game on at 11?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Funny that he forgot about the last time he had a pro QB match up against an SEC defense.

OU points scored by opponent in 2008:

57 - Chattanooga

52 - Cincinnati

55 - Washington

35 - TCU

49 - Baylor

35 - Texas

45 - Kansas

58 - Kansas State

62 - Nebraska

66 - A&M

65 - Texas Tech

61 - Okie St

62 - Mizzou

14 - Florida

 

[prefontaine]

Isn't this the very definition of "targeting"?

Mike Davis - Texas

targeting is defined as shots to the head. That's not targeting. That's just being a ####

 

[prefontaine]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

 

[prefontaine]

Why is the Texas OU game on at 11?

it always is. It seems like it's been the 11am national game for like 10 years. They won't play in the Fair Grounds at night ever so this is a way for ABC to show it nationally (the 230 slot is regional splits)

 

[Moe.]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

I think the lack of respect is deserved at this point, the league isn't very good this year. I wish Baylor had played a better non-conference schedule.

Stoops has said some really dumb stuff to the media over the past year or so, I think he's just old and comfortable. He has no ####s to give.

 

[The Commish]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.

 

[culdeus]

Why is the Texas OU game on at 11?

it always is. It seems like it's been the 11am national game for like 10 years. They won't play in the Fair Grounds at night ever so this is a way for ABC to show it nationally (the 230 slot is regional splits)

This is bad for the exposure IMO. I thought the new deal had them moving it to the 230 slot. In fact I was nearly sure of this until I checked listings.

 

[gump]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

it appears a junior staffer lent him money. The staffer has been put on leave but you have to think the damage is done. Having an athletic dept employee directly give him money (loan or not) pretty much means they'll vacate the games year to date. Sad way to dethrone the Bama machine.I don't know how to imbed links any more: http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/report_alabama_assistant_stren.html

Whoa pre....not saying you're wrong yet, but some compliance 'experts' don't think the school will be punished, because they investigated and suspended when they discovered:http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/ncaa_compliance_expert_says_cl.html

There are examples of the NCAA laying off schools if they react quickly....OSU (before Tressel was busted) for one.

Clinton-Dix was at practice today....a positive sign I think.

Still don't get it?? It's Alabama....they'll be fine.

Due to the compliance dept and processes...you're probably right. When that sucked, we got hammered....twice.

But they don't suck now....again, they'll be fine. The NCAA isn't going to punish their NCAA darling.

The first hammer was 1 year after they won the national championship. The compliance dept and self-policing that Saban has put in place makes a big difference.

 

[boubucarow]

Isn't this the very definition of "targeting"?

Mike Davis - Texas

targeting is defined as shots to the head. That's not targeting. That's just being a ####

It also includes hits with the crown of the helmet no matter where the hit lands. Not that it applies to the Davis hit.

 

[prefontaine]

This is bad for the exposure IMO. I thought the new deal had them moving it to the 230 slot. In fact I was nearly sure of this until I checked listings.

Not sure why you thought that. From an exposure standpoint, the Big 12's new contract is pretty awful. They are not guaranteed any ABC national games at all. The Big 12 has always chosen money today, and from a payout standpoint it's an extremely good contract, over exposure because frankly it's been full of short term thinkers since Weiberg left (and he left out of frustration over that fact)

 

[culdeus]

This is bad for the exposure IMO. I thought the new deal had them moving it to the 230 slot. In fact I was nearly sure of this until I checked listings.

Not sure why you thought that. From an exposure standpoint, the Big 12's new contract is pretty awful. They are not guaranteed any ABC national games at all. The Big 12 has always chosen money today, and from a payout standpoint it's an extremely good contract, over exposure because frankly it's been full of short term thinkers since Weiberg left (and he left out of frustration over that fact)

I dunno. I just thought I read that with the new deal they got a national GOW at 2:30 (finally). I don't know if the cotton bowl has lights so I guess night game is off the table.

 

[gump]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9768007/six-chosen-college-football-playoff-selection-committee

The College Football Playoff selection committee will have some star power as former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will join former NFL quarterback Archie Manning and USC athletic director Pat Haden on the panel, sources told ESPN on Friday.

The 58-year-old Rice, who makes no secret of being a college and pro sports fan, will be named to the committee when it is officially announced next month.

In addition, former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese, athletic directors Barry Alvarez (Wisconsin), Jeff Long (Arkansas), Oliver Luck (West Virginia) and Dan Radakovich (Clemson), and former NCAA executive vice president Tom Jernstedt have been chosen to be on the committee, sources told ESPN.

Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Gould, the former Air Force Academy superintendent, will be on the committee as well, sources told The Associated Press.

 

[prefontaine]

I don't know if the cotton bowl has lights so I guess night game is off the table.

it definitely has lights because FC Dallas used to play there and they had night games. I'm not sure if the lights are up to date and maybe they took them out in the remodel. I've never looked.

But they don't play at night because I think they just don't want the problems associated with 90k people wandering around down there at night. They have enough problems with crime with the normal Fair crowds.The area is shady as ####. No way they'd want all those fans (likely drunk) wandering around dark streets (where everyone has to park) at night.

 

[Slider6]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9768007/six-chosen-college-football-playoff-selection-committee

The College Football Playoff selection committee will have some star power as former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will join former NFL quarterback Archie Manning and USC athletic director Pat Haden on the panel, sources told ESPN on Friday.

The 58-year-old Rice, who makes no secret of being a college and pro sports fan, will be named to the committee when it is officially announced next month.

In addition, former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese, athletic directors Barry Alvarez (Wisconsin), Jeff Long (Arkansas), Oliver Luck (West Virginia) and Dan Radakovich (Clemson), and former NCAA executive vice president Tom Jernstedt have been chosen to be on the committee, sources told ESPN.

Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Gould, the former Air Force Academy superintendent, will be on the committee as well, sources told The Associated Press.

Average age of that committee is upper 50's even lower 60's. They really need some younger blood too.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

 

[General Malaise]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

Alright, I'll not troll the trolls. I'll play nice and not jinx

 

[GDogg]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

Alright, I'll not troll the trolls. I'll play nice and not jinx

That was a great win. Lose your staying left tackle for the year and plug in a true freshman. Have your center inexplicably have issues snapping the ball on half of the snaps. Have your starting quarterback leave the game and play half the game without being able to see poor if one eye. and, have glasses ref make a bunch of terrible calls and still cover the spread? Great game. Best game Hundley has played all year.

I'd loveit if Oregon with an injured Thomas takes UCLA lightly as you are.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

Alright, I'll not troll the trolls. I'll play nice and not jinx

That was a great win. Lose your staying left tackle for the year and plug in a true freshman. Have your center inexplicably have issues snapping the ball on half of the snaps. Have your starting quarterback leave the game and play half the game without being able to see poor if one eye. and, have glasses ref make a bunch of terrible calls and still cover the spread? Great game. Best game Hundley has played all year.

I'd loveit if Oregon with an injured Thomas takes UCLA lightly as you are.

I know that you're a hard-core UCLA fan, but relax, I was trying to fire up Tim.

That said, I'm excited to see how your boys fare in Autzen. The PAC-12 is having a strong season.

 

[Christo]

Why is the Texas OU game on at 11?

They play it at 11:00 on a regular basis.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.

I don't understand your point. OU has played Notre Dame the past two years, Florida State the two years before that, Miami, BYU, several bowl teams in Cincinnati, Air Force, ULM, Washington and TCU since 2008. They have Tennessee, LSU and Ohio State in future years.

As far as the conference they do what other conferences (including SEC) does, fill the schedule. Right now the Big 12 is 5th in Sagarin behind the two Pac-12 and the two SEC division (fractions behind SEC East and P12 S), and everyone knew this was going to be a down year. OU and Baylor are both currently top 5 Sagarin, they have five teams in the top 30. That is fine, it is going to be a knock'em out, drag'em out year and most of the top teams will likely lose two games. So what? The Big 12 has been the #2 conference for a a good number of years, down years happen.

Obviously losing quality programs like Nebraska and TAMU hurt the overall strength of the conference, but it is still in fine shape if Texas can ever recover. Okie Stateand Baylor are ascending programs with new football facilities, TCU is a great program, Texas Tech and West Virginia are solid contributors and K-State has done some fine work. Conference is fine, Stoops is a veteran coach who can say whatever he wants and he's got some fair points. I personally think he should just prove it on the field, but he's among the most respected coaches in CFB so I guess he feels a need to articulate some things in this time of transition.

 

[Christo]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.

I don't understand your point. OU has played Notre Dame the past two years, Florida State the two years before that, Miami, BYU, several bowl teams in Cincinnati, Air Force, ULM, Washington and TCU since 2008. They have Tennessee, LSU and Ohio State in future years.

As far as the conference they do what other conferences (including SEC) does, fill the schedule. Right now the Big 12 is 5th in Sagarin behind the two Pac-12 and the two SEC division (fractions behind SEC East and P12 S), and everyone knew this was going to be a down year. OU and Baylor are both currently top 5 Sagarin, they have five teams in the top 30. That is fine, it is going to be a knock'em out, drag'em out year and most of the top teams will likely lose two games. So what? The Big 12 has been the #2 conference for a a good number of years, down years happen.

Obviously losing quality programs like Nebraska and TAMU hurt the overall strength of the conference, but it is still in fine shape if Texas can ever recover. Okie Stateand Baylor are ascending programs with new football facilities, TCU is a great program, Texas Tech and West Virginia are solid contributors and K-State has done some fine work. Conference is fine, Stoops is a veteran coach who can say whatever he wants and he's got some fair points. I personally think he should just prove it on the field, but he's among the most respected coaches in CFB so I guess he feels a need to articulate some things in this time of transition.

OU consistently plays one of the toughest OOC schedules in the country. They have home-and-homes lined up the next several years with Tennessee, LSU, Ohio State and Nebraska.

 

[Moe.]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

Alright, I'll not troll the trolls. I'll play nice and not jinx

That was a great win. Lose your staying left tackle for the year and plug in a true freshman. Have your center inexplicably have issues snapping the ball on half of the snaps. Have your starting quarterback leave the game and play half the game without being able to see poor if one eye. and, have glasses ref make a bunch of terrible calls and still cover the spread? Great game. Best game Hundley has played all year.I'd loveit if Oregon with an injured Thomas takes UCLA lightly as you are.

I know that you're a hard-core UCLA fan, but relax, I was trying to fire up Tim. That said, I'm excited to see how your boys fare in Autzen. The PAC-12 is having a strong season.

Utah looks pretty legit to me. Rice-Eccles is no joke especially on a Thursday night. That was a great win for UCLA IMO. Agree that the PAC 12 is really good this year. I'm very excited for Washington-Stanford tomorrow night.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

Alright, I'll not troll the trolls. I'll play nice and not jinx

That was a great win. Lose your staying left tackle for the year and plug in a true freshman. Have your center inexplicably have issues snapping the ball on half of the snaps. Have your starting quarterback leave the game and play half the game without being able to see poor if one eye. and, have glasses ref make a bunch of terrible calls and still cover the spread? Great game. Best game Hundley has played all year.I'd loveit if Oregon with an injured Thomas takes UCLA lightly as you are.

I know that you're a hard-core UCLA fan, but relax, I was trying to fire up Tim.That said, I'm excited to see how your boys fare in Autzen. The PAC-12 is having a strong season.

Utah looks pretty legit to me. Rice-Eccles is no joke especially on a Thursday night. That was a great win for UCLA IMO. Agree that the PAC 12 is really good this year. I'm very excited for Washington-Stanford tomorrow night.

Don't get me wrong, Utah is decent, for sure. And tomorrow should be a lot of fun. Going to watch Oregon in person and then come home to watch the Wash/Stanford game.

I really think that Washington gets housed, though. I think they are shown that while they're back to being respectable, they're not at the same level as the Stanfords and Oregons of the world...yet.

I hope I'm wrong, but I see Stanford dominating that game. Really hope to be wrong, though!

 

[timschochet]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

Alright, I'll not troll the trolls. I'll play nice and not jinx

That was a great win. Lose your staying left tackle for the year and plug in a true freshman. Have your center inexplicably have issues snapping the ball on half of the snaps. Have your starting quarterback leave the game and play half the game without being able to see poor if one eye. and, have glasses ref make a bunch of terrible calls and still cover the spread? Great game. Best game Hundley has played all year.

I'd loveit if Oregon with an injured Thomas takes UCLA lightly as you are.

I know that you're a hard-core UCLA fan, but relax, I was trying to fire up Tim.

That said, I'm excited to see how your boys fare in Autzen. The PAC-12 is having a strong season.

Given the way UCLA has played in recent years against Oregon (and especially AT Oregon), I don't know why you would think I would immediately talk smack. Naturally I love how the Bruins are playing and I hope for the best. But I don't think they're quite at the Ducks' level. At least, not yet. Love it if they prove me wrong, though.

 

[gump]

Leonard Fournette is on ESPN2, and he looks ridiculous.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Ugly knee injury for Utah State QBS. :(

And I was just messin with ya, Timmah!

 

[Christo]

SDSU

 

[Moe.]

Ugly knee injury for Utah State QBS. :(

And I was just messin with ya, Timmah!

Awful. One of the best players in the country.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

San Diego pretty determined to blow this

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

21 point 4th quarter comeback for Nevada

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

I was moderately concerned about the Oregon/UCLA being a close game. Not after last night, though.

Ugh. I really wish you'd stop that.

Alright, I'll not troll the trolls. I'll play nice and not jinx

That was a great win. Lose your staying left tackle for the year and plug in a true freshman. Have your center inexplicably have issues snapping the ball on half of the snaps. Have your starting quarterback leave the game and play half the game without being able to see poor if one eye. and, have glasses ref make a bunch of terrible calls and still cover the spread? Great game. Best game Hundley has played all year.I'd loveit if Oregon with an injured Thomas takes UCLA lightly as you are.

I know that you're a hard-core UCLA fan, but relax, I was trying to fire up Tim.That said, I'm excited to see how your boys fare in Autzen. The PAC-12 is having a strong season.

Utah looks pretty legit to me. Rice-Eccles is no joke especially on a Thursday night. That was a great win for UCLA IMO. Agree that the PAC 12 is really good this year. I'm very excited for Washington-Stanford tomorrow night.

Don't get me wrong, Utah is decent, for sure. And tomorrow should be a lot of fun. Going to watch Oregon in person and then come home to watch the Wash/Stanford game.

I really think that Washington gets housed, though. I think they are shown that while they're back to being respectable, they're not at the same level as the Stanfords and Oregons of the world...yet.

I hope I'm wrong, but I see Stanford dominating that game. Really hope to be wrong, though!

I hate to agree with FE on both points here but the Ducks will beat UCLA by 20+ and, sadly, the Furd is going to trounce Washington by double digits tomorrow.

And I also really hope to be wrong, though, on both counts. Go Dawgs.

 

[gump]

Leonard Fournette is on ESPN2, and he looks ridiculous.

262 and the game-winning 2 pt conversion vs the defending 'national champion'. He is huge, with elite speed. He's going to terrorize the SEC...for someone ( not giving up yet).

 

[The Commish]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.

I don't understand your point. OU has played Notre Dame the past two years, Florida State the two years before that, Miami, BYU, several bowl teams in Cincinnati, Air Force, ULM, Washington and TCU since 2008. They have Tennessee, LSU and Ohio State in future years.

As far as the conference they do what other conferences (including SEC) does, fill the schedule. Right now the Big 12 is 5th in Sagarin behind the two Pac-12 and the two SEC division (fractions behind SEC East and P12 S), and everyone knew this was going to be a down year. OU and Baylor are both currently top 5 Sagarin, they have five teams in the top 30. That is fine, it is going to be a knock'em out, drag'em out year and most of the top teams will likely lose two games. So what? The Big 12 has been the #2 conference for a a good number of years, down years happen.

Obviously losing quality programs like Nebraska and TAMU hurt the overall strength of the conference, but it is still in fine shape if Texas can ever recover. Okie Stateand Baylor are ascending programs with new football facilities, TCU is a great program, Texas Tech and West Virginia are solid contributors and K-State has done some fine work. Conference is fine, Stoops is a veteran coach who can say whatever he wants and he's got some fair points. I personally think he should just prove it on the field, but he's among the most respected coaches in CFB so I guess he feels a need to articulate some things in this time of transition.

You know as well as I do it's all about perception. How frequently do we debate the quality of X conference on stats just to find out, none of it matters. People are going to perceive things the way they perceive them and there's nothing you or I are going to do about it. Right now the perception is that ND is back to being a joke and the "top dog" of the conference (Texas) is struggling. Those things alone will lead most to believe that the B12 is "down". I really only had two points:

1. Perception is everything.

2. Stoops shouldn't be worried about other conferences.

We can get into all the teams that OU has played or is going to play, but my comments were around the conference. Not a specific team. I think OU's a pretty good football team. They keep winning, the "press" will eventually take notice. That Stoops is out there feeling like he has to attack other conferences to get his team some attention is sad...especially just going into week 5 of the year. That's all....dude just needs to chill and win. The rest will come.

 

[The Commish]

Maryland vs FSU will be better than some think. Diggs is a stud.

 

[Christo]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.

I don't understand your point. OU has played Notre Dame the past two years, Florida State the two years before that, Miami, BYU, several bowl teams in Cincinnati, Air Force, ULM, Washington and TCU since 2008. They have Tennessee, LSU and Ohio State in future years.

As far as the conference they do what other conferences (including SEC) does, fill the schedule. Right now the Big 12 is 5th in Sagarin behind the two Pac-12 and the two SEC division (fractions behind SEC East and P12 S), and everyone knew this was going to be a down year. OU and Baylor are both currently top 5 Sagarin, they have five teams in the top 30. That is fine, it is going to be a knock'em out, drag'em out year and most of the top teams will likely lose two games. So what? The Big 12 has been the #2 conference for a a good number of years, down years happen.

Obviously losing quality programs like Nebraska and TAMU hurt the overall strength of the conference, but it is still in fine shape if Texas can ever recover. Okie Stateand Baylor are ascending programs with new football facilities, TCU is a great program, Texas Tech and West Virginia are solid contributors and K-State has done some fine work. Conference is fine, Stoops is a veteran coach who can say whatever he wants and he's got some fair points. I personally think he should just prove it on the field, but he's among the most respected coaches in CFB so I guess he feels a need to articulate some things in this time of transition.

You know as well as I do it's all about perception. How frequently do we debate the quality of X conference on stats just to find out, none of it matters. People are going to perceive things the way they perceive them and there's nothing you or I are going to do about it. Right now the perception is that ND is back to being a joke and the "top dog" of the conference (Texas) is struggling. Those things alone will lead most to believe that the B12 is "down". I really only had two points:

1. Perception is everything.

2. Stoops shouldn't be worried about other conferences.

We can get into all the teams that OU has played or is going to play, but my comments were around the conference. Not a specific team. I think OU's a pretty good football team. They keep winning, the "press" will eventually take notice. That Stoops is out there feeling like he has to attack other conferences to get his team some attention is sad...especially just going into week 5 of the year. That's all....dude just needs to chill and win. The rest will come.

He's 153-37 with 1 NC and 7 B12. Dude doesn't need to do anything.

 

[The Commish]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.

The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.

It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.

I don't understand your point. OU has played Notre Dame the past two years, Florida State the two years before that, Miami, BYU, several bowl teams in Cincinnati, Air Force, ULM, Washington and TCU since 2008. They have Tennessee, LSU and Ohio State in future years.

As far as the conference they do what other conferences (including SEC) does, fill the schedule. Right now the Big 12 is 5th in Sagarin behind the two Pac-12 and the two SEC division (fractions behind SEC East and P12 S), and everyone knew this was going to be a down year. OU and Baylor are both currently top 5 Sagarin, they have five teams in the top 30. That is fine, it is going to be a knock'em out, drag'em out year and most of the top teams will likely lose two games. So what? The Big 12 has been the #2 conference for a a good number of years, down years happen.

Obviously losing quality programs like Nebraska and TAMU hurt the overall strength of the conference, but it is still in fine shape if Texas can ever recover. Okie Stateand Baylor are ascending programs with new football facilities, TCU is a great program, Texas Tech and West Virginia are solid contributors and K-State has done some fine work. Conference is fine, Stoops is a veteran coach who can say whatever he wants and he's got some fair points. I personally think he should just prove it on the field, but he's among the most respected coaches in CFB so I guess he feels a need to articulate some things in this time of transition.

You know as well as I do it's all about perception. How frequently do we debate the quality of X conference on stats just to find out, none of it matters. People are going to perceive things the way they perceive them and there's nothing you or I are going to do about it. Right now the perception is that ND is back to being a joke and the "top dog" of the conference (Texas) is struggling. Those things alone will lead most to believe that the B12 is "down". I really only had two points:

1. Perception is everything.

2. Stoops shouldn't be worried about other conferences.

We can get into all the teams that OU has played or is going to play, but my comments were around the conference. Not a specific team. I think OU's a pretty good football team. They keep winning, the "press" will eventually take notice. That Stoops is out there feeling like he has to attack other conferences to get his team some attention is sad...especially just going into week 5 of the year. That's all....dude just needs to chill and win. The rest will come.

He's 153-37 with 1 NC and 7 B12. Dude doesn't need to do anything.

 

[The Commish]

Anyone interested in the most boring football ever tune into MSU vs Iowa

 

[wazoo11]

Texas Tech losing to KU

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Maryland vs FSU will be better than some think. Diggs is a stud.

ray:

 

[Spartans Rule]

Anyone interested in the most boring football ever tune into MSU vs Iowa

Halfway through the second quarter and Iowa still doesn't have a first down.

MSU holding what might be an insurmountable 3-0 lead.

 

[Premier]

Man Maryland's defense is good.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Let's go Bulls! MAC opener at home against EMU this afternoon. Up 21-0 in the mid-2nd quarter, just capped off a 99-yard drive with a 4th and Goal QB sneak from the 1.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Looks like the Noles game is headed to Uglyville.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Jesus. CJ Brown got the snot knocked out of him. Maryland didn't have much chance before, but they have none without him.

 

[Raider Nation]

A couple of breaks here or there and Georgia State would be right in this thing.

 

[BigJohn]

Can't watch Jameis Winston anymore since they ran the story on his nasty finger. :shudder:

 

[The Commish]

Maryland vs FSU will be better than some think. Diggs is a stud.

ray:

Well...might have jinxed your boys with that comment...sorry GB