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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Are the Buckeyes going to switch to Guyton at some point?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
He's right, and I think you are way off base about his comments. He isn't worried at all about the SEC, he's promoting the Big 12. That's his job after all.He's 153-37 with 1 NC and 7 B12. Dude doesn't need to do anything.The Commish said:You know as well as I do it's all about perception. How frequently do we debate the quality of X conference on stats just to find out, none of it matters. People are going to perceive things the way they perceive them and there's nothing you or I are going to do about it. Right now the perception is that ND is back to being a joke and the "top dog" of the conference (Texas) is struggling. Those things alone will lead most to believe that the B12 is "down". I really only had two points:Doctor Detroit said:I don't understand your point. OU has played Notre Dame the past two years, Florida State the two years before that, Miami, BYU, several bowl teams in Cincinnati, Air Force, ULM, Washington and TCU since 2008. They have Tennessee, LSU and Ohio State in future years.It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.Stoops
While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?
The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.
As far as the conference they do what other conferences (including SEC) does, fill the schedule. Right now the Big 12 is 5th in Sagarin behind the two Pac-12 and the two SEC division (fractions behind SEC East and P12 S), and everyone knew this was going to be a down year. OU and Baylor are both currently top 5 Sagarin, they have five teams in the top 30. That is fine, it is going to be a knock'em out, drag'em out year and most of the top teams will likely lose two games. So what? The Big 12 has been the #2 conference for a a good number of years, down years happen.
Obviously losing quality programs like Nebraska and TAMU hurt the overall strength of the conference, but it is still in fine shape if Texas can ever recover. Okie Stateand Baylor are ascending programs with new football facilities, TCU is a great program, Texas Tech and West Virginia are solid contributors and K-State has done some fine work. Conference is fine, Stoops is a veteran coach who can say whatever he wants and he's got some fair points. I personally think he should just prove it on the field, but he's among the most respected coaches in CFB so I guess he feels a need to articulate some things in this time of transition.
1. Perception is everything.
2. Stoops shouldn't be worried about other conferences.
We can get into all the teams that OU has played or is going to play, but my comments were around the conference. Not a specific team. I think OU's a pretty good football team. They keep winning, the "press" will eventually take notice. That Stoops is out there feeling like he has to attack other conferences to get his team some attention is sad...especially just going into week 5 of the year. That's all....dude just needs to chill and win. The rest will come.
Another quality win tonigth vs a top 30 opponent, they are coming along in a rebuilding year. Baylor is silly good on offense though, I don't think they'll beat them.
Love these Northwestern helmets with the wildcat on there, will look even nicer raised in the air after a victory over Ohio.
Abraham
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
He's built Baylor from the ground up and he's not exactly a spring chicken, I'd be shocked if he left Waco.
Doctor Detroit
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I think Oregon would stop Baylor twice, that would be the difference. Baylor's D is tragically bad, but that offense is something to behold.
Abraham
Footballguy
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
He's right, and I think you are way off base about his comments. He isn't worried at all about the SEC, he's promoting the Big 12. That's his job after all.He's 153-37 with 1 NC and 7 B12. Dude doesn't need to do anything.The Commish said:You know as well as I do it's all about perception. How frequently do we debate the quality of X conference on stats just to find out, none of it matters. People are going to perceive things the way they perceive them and there's nothing you or I are going to do about it. Right now the perception is that ND is back to being a joke and the "top dog" of the conference (Texas) is struggling. Those things alone will lead most to believe that the B12 is "down". I really only had two points:Doctor Detroit said:I don't understand your point. OU has played Notre Dame the past two years, Florida State the two years before that, Miami, BYU, several bowl teams in Cincinnati, Air Force, ULM, Washington and TCU since 2008. They have Tennessee, LSU and Ohio State in future years.It's not puzzling at all. The league sucks. Just like the B1G does. No one cares about either league. The only way to change that is to win and win while playing good OOC competition. Those beginning of season games do a lot from an "attention" perspective when it comes to the media. Only ones that don't have to worry about media coverage is the SEC. I counted 30+ times on last Gameday how many times they used "SEC defense" despite those defenses being in the pooper this year. From their POV, it's the SEC and then everyone else and everyone else has to fight year in and out to get that recognition.Stoops actually turned down UF twice I believe. That's not why he's bitter. He's bitter because his league is getting zero exposure or respect. I think he went off this week bc they beat Notre Dame and no one cared (or watched). They are undefeated with a win at ND and something like 3 teams with a loss are still ranked higher than them.Stoops
While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?
The Big 12 is just struggling to get anyone to care about their league and it's a little puzzling imo how quickly it happened (and why). It's got to be frustrating to him personally because in past years, a 4-0 OU would be all over ESPN. OU was always a program that if you win, exposure would come. But now here they are winning and you can hear a pin drop.
As far as the conference they do what other conferences (including SEC) does, fill the schedule. Right now the Big 12 is 5th in Sagarin behind the two Pac-12 and the two SEC division (fractions behind SEC East and P12 S), and everyone knew this was going to be a down year. OU and Baylor are both currently top 5 Sagarin, they have five teams in the top 30. That is fine, it is going to be a knock'em out, drag'em out year and most of the top teams will likely lose two games. So what? The Big 12 has been the #2 conference for a a good number of years, down years happen.
Obviously losing quality programs like Nebraska and TAMU hurt the overall strength of the conference, but it is still in fine shape if Texas can ever recover. Okie Stateand Baylor are ascending programs with new football facilities, TCU is a great program, Texas Tech and West Virginia are solid contributors and K-State has done some fine work. Conference is fine, Stoops is a veteran coach who can say whatever he wants and he's got some fair points. I personally think he should just prove it on the field, but he's among the most respected coaches in CFB so I guess he feels a need to articulate some things in this time of transition.
1. Perception is everything.
2. Stoops shouldn't be worried about other conferences.
We can get into all the teams that OU has played or is going to play, but my comments were around the conference. Not a specific team. I think OU's a pretty good football team. They keep winning, the "press" will eventually take notice. That Stoops is out there feeling like he has to attack other conferences to get his team some attention is sad...especially just going into week 5 of the year. That's all....dude just needs to chill and win. The rest will come.
Another quality win tonigth vs a top 30 opponent, they are coming along in a rebuilding year. Baylor is silly good on offense though, I don't think they'll beat them.
Love these Northwestern helmets with the wildcat on there, will look even nicer raised in the air after a victory over Ohio.
Come to Tennessee! There's a great atmosphere when we get our butts handed to us by the big boys in the conference!
Native
Footballguy
Dont forget they lost their #1 WR, Malcolm Mitchell, for the year in the opener vs Clemson. Assuming these injuries are as bad as they appear, they are now down their top two RB's and top three WR's. And were only in week five.
Abraham
Footballguy
They haven't won an sec October game in 5 years and haven't beaten a top 10 opponent since bush's first term.
bentley
Footballguy
He's my first choice. He's 57, but he spent a lot of that time in high school. Only 10 years at a collegiate head coach. I'd consider him a "low mileage" 57 year old.
Baylor is going to beat Texas by five touchdowns or more this year. Could easily be worse than Oklahoma.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Lineman on Baylor D takes out his own DB trying finagle his way towards a pick-6. I'm guessing #95 is not a rocket science major.
Premier
Footballguy
Seems like the Texas job comes with a bunch of politics and bull#### too. Guy is probably a king at Waco with no worries.
Money is obviously better at UT but he doesn't seem like a guy driven by that solely.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Just got home from the thrashing in Boulder. Oregon really played like #### and still hung 50+ on a bad team. Ummm....wtf Georgia? Tell me thy were late to the game and the team didn't arrive til late in the 3rd Q?!?
Abraham
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I once spent twenty minutes in Waco; would have been five minutes but there was a wreck on the interstate.
bentley
Footballguy
Where would the King of Waco hang out? George's Bar? The Dr Pepper Museum? The chain barbecue joint on the interstate? I ate lunch at Chick Fila in Waco today and it might have been the first dirty CFA I've ever seen in my life.
New stadium looks pretty tight, though.
Abraham
Footballguy
To be fair, the rolls they serve at the Elite Cafe is some of the best anywhere. And the zoo has a nice elephant habitat and a nice gorilla habitat. That's all I got.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
The NW fans are going to blow a gasket when they give OSU this TD.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
There's a ton of red in that stadium.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Waco does suck but Briles just got the place a new on campus stadium, and he doesn't haven't to deal with all the underachieving seasons anyone will have to look forward to in Austin. If Baylor goes back to 6-6, no problem. Although that is the norm now, 6-6 in Austin will still will get you fired after five or six years.
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Terrible that Ohio State doesn't play any real team this year, save for a solid NW team, and won't be penalized for it. :(
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Wisconsin is decent but it's very tough to play at ASU on a Saturday night. Even with that, UW was in the game, mistakes and all.
Uwe Blab
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Great throw by the NW QB.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
And a flag is thrown...
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Pretty obvious penalty but it sucks that the great play by the RB was for nothing.
eta: another nice play by the NW QB
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
CATS take the lead back. Great game.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I am really rooting for Northwestern here as I think Wisconsin has a chance against them next week resulting in 1 loss for all three teams.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
What if a fat chick was wearing it?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
They have to play at Michigan too, and that is far from a bad team or an easy game. Likely more
from FE 21, he tried it with Tim last night now he's trying to get everyone from the Big 1G in here. Same as it ever was.Duh, I'd tell her to take it off.What if a fat chick was wearing it?
drummer
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
That looks like a really bad spot for Northwestern.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Total rape job on that spot for NW...wow
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