*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (4 Viewers)

[Premier]

Al Gore Says Hi, Cappy.

ok guy. Marcus Outzen started that game. If Winston gets hurt this spread also probably flips to AU -1.

You really don't understand how betting lines work, do you? The -5.5 point line had Outzen factored in, dude.

First your revisionist memory somehow thought FSU were dogs, and now this. Stop.. you're embarrassing yourself GB. Might wanna stick to the basketball threads.

I don't think revisionist history means what you think it does. I gave you a link from the biggest sports website in the world. And Yes I know how the lines work. And FSU was not a 5.5 point favorite with Outzen. I gave you an espn link and you gave me.......a vols fan blog. Good work, Cronkite.

You got called out for your dumb sec homer shtick because your school is a dumpster fire and now you can't retreat. Enjoy the bowl games. With so many sec teams involved you should have some winners to root for.

 

[hagmania]

5-7 Tennessee fan shtick makes me happy in the most special of ways.

 

[Premier]

Three-and-Outzen!

The red rooster.

God he was terrible.

 

[Joe T]

are we really arguing for 2 pages on a football line from 15 years ago?

 

[Premier]

are we really arguing for 2 pages on a football line from 15 years ago?

Gonna be a long offseason.

 

[Guest]

are we really arguing for 2 pages on a football line from 15 years ago?

It's what we do.

I'm hoping the championship game is as much fun as the SEC champ game. That was fun.

Nice job Sparty. I honestly didn't think you had it in ya.

 

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]And Yes I know how the lines work. And FSU was not a 5.5 point favorite with Outzen. I gave you an espn link and you gave me.......a vols fan blog. Good work, Cronkite.

That was very clearly a typo for ESPN as every other source (SB Nation, WIkipedia, the VP of the United States in a pregame interview, and OddsShark's Historical Fiesta Bowl Odds all have the line at FSU -5.5 because...well...what's what the line was Even Abe verified that UT were dogs in this one a few posts up.

At NO point were the Vols ever a favorite, let alone a 5.5 point favorite... any individual with a modicum of common sense would see that ESPN page was a simple typo. Then again, you've not really shown capacity for rational thought in this discussion... so there's that. It's just kinda scary that an FSU Superfan would display such profound ignorance about National Title Game appearance.

But hey...carry on in fantasyland and keep throwing those devastating 5-7 jabs. They're killing me over here. Really

 

[Doctor Detroit]

@RizzWrites: FSU went from -7 to -10 in four minutes.

FSU by 2 TDs at least.

Anyone remember the line for the 1998 BCS Championship Game? FSU -6 was it?FSU had a pretty good defense that year too... first nationally in passing and total defense, second in rushing and scoring defense? Yeah that was it...

Maybe you forgot that Weinke missed that game due to injury and the Noles had to play their awful backup. Yeah that was it...

You're right, but that would have been reflected in the line.

Espn says UT was favored by 5.5 actually. Quality made up #### as always dude.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bcslist/090108

He'll be cutting and pasting stat overlays he stole from Orangedoosh.com, but passing them off as his own any minute now.

in three, two......

 

[Doctor Detroit]

]And Yes I know how the lines work. And FSU was not a 5.5 point favorite with Outzen. I gave you an espn link and you gave me.......a vols fan blog. Good work, Cronkite.

That was very clearly a typo for ESPN as every other source (SB Nation, WIkipedia, the VP of the United States in a pregame interview, and OddsShark's Historical Fiesta Bowl Odds all have the line at FSU -5.5 because...well...what's what the line was Even Abe verified that UT were dogs in this one a few posts up.

At NO point were the Vols ever a favorite, let alone a 5.5 point favorite... any individual with a modicum of common sense would see that ESPN page was a simple typo. Then again, you've not really shown capacity for rational thought in this discussion... so there's that. It's just kinda scary that an FSU Superfan would display such profound ignorance about National Title Game appearance.

But hey...carry on in fantasyland and keep throwing those devastating 5-7 jabs. They're killing me over here. Really

You mad bro?

 

[Joe T]

Can we talk pro in here? There's a lot of damn snow in that philly game. Schnikes.

 

[Guest]

Can we talk pro in here? There's a lot of damn snow in that philly game. Schnikes.

I want to make a snow angel on top of Molly McGrath.

 

[Christo]

My *wishful thinking* 8 team playoff bracket.

1. Florida State

8. Oklahoma

4. Michigan State

5. Alabama

3. Stanford

6. Baylor

2. Auburn

7. Central Florida

bg > Oklahoma

OU isn't Top 8. But let's not get carried away.

 

[Sinn Fein]

We should really get to an 8 team playoff with 5 conference champions and 3 best remaining teams.

Florida St

Auburn

Michigan St

Baylor

Stanford

Alabama

Ohio St

Missouri

Don't really care how they get seeded.

They really should be moving towards 4 super-conferences in football, each with a conference championship, creating a de facto 8-team playoff.

They need to keep a few at large... In the situation you describe, a team like Alabama wouldn't make the playoff

They had a chance to make it to their championship game, no? They essentially lost a play-in game to Auburn. Too bad, so sad.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If you watched the Ok State game yesterday, OU got run over, but was somehow able to win on special teams. I've seen nothing from OU that would put them in my top 12. There are about 4 or 5 other schools I put in before OU.

Doesn't seem like you did though. OU had 358 yards of offense, 40 less than Okie State in a 3 point game. OKlahoma State was the #6 team in the nation and had housed the #2 team in the county by 30 just a few weeks ago. I'm not arguing OU is a top 8 team, but OU did something your 4 or 5 other teams probably didn't do: win a road game vs a top ten opponent.

ETA: Yes the Philadephia snow is ridiculous, luckily I'm playing against Stafford

 

[Joe T]

If you watched the Ok State game yesterday, OU got run over, but was somehow able to win on special teams. I've seen nothing from OU that would put them in my top 12. There are about 4 or 5 other schools I put in before OU.

Doesn't seem like you did though. OU had 358 yards of offense, 40 less than Okie State in a 3 point game. OKlahoma State was the #6 team in the nation and had housed the #2 team in the county by 30 just a few weeks ago. I'm not arguing OU is a top 8 team, but OU did something your 4 or 5 other teams probably didn't do: win a road game vs a top ten opponent.

ETA: Yes the Philadephia snow is ridiculous, luckily I'm playing against Stafford

You got me there. Watching the OU offense did not look good except that last drive.

Off the top of my head though, South Carolina beat top 10 Missouri on the road, plus wins over Clemson and UCF <------------- not sure on home or road, but they are both teams in the discussion for that 8 spot.

ETA - Clemson was at home, UCF was actually played and won at UCF.

 

[Slapdash]

If you watched the Ok State game yesterday, OU got run over, but was somehow able to win on special teams. I've seen nothing from OU that would put them in my top 12. There are about 4 or 5 other schools I put in before OU.

Doesn't seem like you did though. OU had 358 yards of offense, 40 less than Okie State in a 3 point game. OKlahoma State was the #6 team in the nation and had housed the #2 team in the county by 30 just a few weeks ago. I'm not arguing OU is a top 8 team, but OU did something your 4 or 5 other teams probably didn't do: win a road game vs a top ten opponent. ETA: Yes the Philadephia snow is ridiculous, luckily I'm playing against Stafford

You got me there. Watching the OU offense did not look good except that last drive.

Off the top of my head though, South Carolina beat top 10 Missouri on the road, plus wins over Clemson and UCF <------------- not sure on home or road, but they are both teams in the discussion for that 8 spot.

ETA - Clemson was at home, UCF was actually played and won at UCF.

UCF was away for SC, they agreed to a home and home with them after UCF traveling to Columbia several times about a decade ago. Not afraid of a tough OOC schedule.

Florida is one of the recruiting hotspots for the team so another game there helps on that front. Along with the likely Citrus/Outback bowl.

Still don't get that Tennessee game....although there is no way SC could have stopped the rushing attack of Auburn.

 

[Slapdash]

Can we talk pro in here? There's a lot of damn snow in that philly game. Schnikes.

Amazing. Worse than the US/Costa Rica game in Feb.

 

[Christo]

If you watched the Ok State game yesterday, OU got run over, but was somehow able to win on special teams. I've seen nothing from OU that would put them in my top 12. There are about 4 or 5 other schools I put in before OU.

Doesn't seem like you did though. OU had 358 yards of offense, 40 less than Okie State in a 3 point game. OKlahoma State was the #6 team in the nation and had housed the #2 team in the county by 30 just a few weeks ago. I'm not arguing OU is a top 8 team, but OU did something your 4 or 5 other teams probably didn't do: win a road game vs a top ten opponent.

ETA: Yes the Philadephia snow is ridiculous, luckily I'm playing against Stafford

Not to mention OU won a road game against the team that handed the B10 Champ its only loss.

 

[SacramentoBob]

MSU in the title game

I was ####### drunk last night.

I thought you were just shticking it up to #### with the SEC fans.

 

[SacramentoBob]

New AP Poll

1 FSU

2 Auburn

3 Alabama

4 Michigan St

5 Stanford
6 Baylor

7 Ohio St

8 South Carolina

9 Missouri

10 Oregon

 

[gump]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

 

[Slapdash]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

 

[Premier]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

Future B12 tie in and Oregon likely isn't that much better perception wise than OU.

 

[gump]

D'Antonio ranked MSU #2 and OSU #4 in his final ballot.

 

[Slapdash]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

Future B12 tie in and Oregon likely isn't that much better perception wise than OU.

Still don't get why future tie-in = current tie in.

 

[Moe.]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

Future B12 tie in and Oregon likely isn't that much better perception wise than OU.

Still don't get why future tie-in = current tie in.

I'm not sure that really comes into play. Which team do you think would travel better? Honestly I'd rather see Oregon-Bama too but I could see why they'd take OU. I don't see how anyone could argue that one team is substantially better than the other. They both have one bad loss to a marginal team and got beat pretty bad by a top ten team. OU probably has better wins but UO is in a better conference.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

Future B12 tie in and Oregon likely isn't that much better perception wise than OU.

Still don't get why future tie-in = current tie in.

I'm not sure that really comes into play. Which team do you think would travel better? Honestly I'd rather see Oregon-Bama too but I could see why they'd take OU. I don't see how anyone could argue that one team is substantially better than the other. They both have one bad loss to a marginal team and got beat pretty bad by a top ten team. OU probably has better wins but UO is in a better conference.

Yeah I don't see how Oregon's resume is any better. Both lost badly to a bad team, both lost to a top 5 team, and neither is all that impressive. I would say Missouri would deserve that last open spot, but the BCS doesn't work that way.

 

[Slapdash]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

Future B12 tie in and Oregon likely isn't that much better perception wise than OU.

Still don't get why future tie-in = current tie in.

I'm not sure that really comes into play. Which team do you think would travel better? Honestly I'd rather see Oregon-Bama too but I could see why they'd take OU. I don't see how anyone could argue that one team is substantially better than the other. They both have one bad loss to a marginal team and got beat pretty bad by a top ten team. OU probably has better wins but UO is in a better conference.

Yeah I don't see how Oregon's resume is any better. Both lost badly to a bad team, both lost to a top 5 team, and neither is all that impressive. I would say Missouri would deserve that last open spot, but the BCS doesn't work that way.

Not trying to start a resume argument between Oregon and Oklahoma here. Just, personally, think Oregon is a bit better and would rather seem them matched up against Bama or Ohio State than killing Texas in the Alamo bowl.

 

[Joe T]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

The bowl system absolutely sucks....

 

[The Commish]

I keep hearing word around here that the Cotton will likely be Baylor vs LSU. That will be a good game.

But, under Premier's analysis that puts Bama vs Oregon in the Sugar - also a good game.

Sugar had a deal with the Big 12 and SEC starting next year. So while Bama Oregon would be fun, I doubt they upset that apple cart by passing on Baylor.

In other words, the bowl system continues to be completely ####ed up. Looking forward to the playoffs where the games are not ruined by loose alliances and meaningless traditions.

Is it worse to be guided by meaningless traditions or meaningless "championships"??

 

[Premier]

Really hoping the Sugar finds a way to set up Alabama-Oregon....but chances are slim.

Not sure why chances are slim. Oregon is the higher ranked and (IMO) better team. PAC12 seems like the second best conference this year, it will be a shame if they don't get two BCS bowls. But the BCS bowls are always a shame....

Future B12 tie in and Oregon likely isn't that much better perception wise than OU.

Still don't get why future tie-in = current tie in.

Moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeey.

You don't piss on your partners. Pretty good business sense.

 

[The Commish]

I'm assuming Michigan fans cannot root for Ohio State under any circumstances.

But is it permissible to pull for Sparty? Or do you just watch the game, emotionless, pulling for neither?

I couldn't care less who won, but it's probably better that Sparty won now. Michigan, OSU and MSU are all getting thrown into the same division starting next year.

 

[pollardsvision]

Sugar taking Oklahoma over Oregon seems like a no-brainer. before you even get to future bowl relationships.

I assume they'd travel much better than Oregon to most anywhere, but certainly when it's so much closer.

Not sure what the ratings difference would be but it's a traditional power vs new-money that the rest of the country doesn't give a #### about when they aren't a National title contender. I'd think Oklahoma would be a larger TV draw.

 

[Mark Davis]

Sugar taking Oklahoma over Oregon seems like a no-brainer. before you even get to future bowl relationships.

I assume they'd travel much better than Oregon to most anywhere, but certainly when it's so much closer.

Not sure what the ratings difference would be but it's a traditional power vs new-money that the rest of the country doesn't give a #### about when they aren't a National title contender. I'd think Oklahoma would be a larger TV draw.

I'd actually think the opposite. In general Oregon sells more tickets. But the Sugar will be a dud for sales anyway because with Alabama it's BCS or bust. Oregon going to the Alamo to play Texas would be great for the Alamo Bowl.

 

[pollardsvision]

Sugar taking Oklahoma over Oregon seems like a no-brainer. before you even get to future bowl relationships.

I assume they'd travel much better than Oregon to most anywhere, but certainly when it's so much closer.

Not sure what the ratings difference would be but it's a traditional power vs new-money that the rest of the country doesn't give a #### about when they aren't a National title contender. I'd think Oklahoma would be a larger TV draw.

I'd actually think the opposite. In general Oregon sells more tickets. But the Sugar will be a dud for sales anyway because with Alabama it's BCS or bust. Oregon going to the Alamo to play Texas would be great for the Alamo Bowl.

Wait, so Oregon sells more tickets to football games than Oklahoma and Alabama fans won't make the trip to New Orleans because they aren't in the Title game?

 

[Premier]

OU to Sugar CONFIRMED

 

[Christo]

OU to Sugar CONFIRMED

By who?

 

[East Coast Bias]

OU to Sugar CONFIRMED

By who?

Nathan.

Nathan ‏@nathancraig8

4m
OU is playing Alabama in the Sugar bowl. This will not be a fun game to watch, but hey, miracles can happen. #BoomerSooner...

 

[Jayded]

Conferences ruined bowl games. I hate having bowls pitting the #6 seed vs. #5 seed of two meh conferences. Go back to what the games were for and let the chips fall where they may.

Oh, and play the damn games that matter on New Year's Day again.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Buffalo vs San Diego State on 12/21 at the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl.

Could this be the lowest TV rating in bowl history?

 

[Mark Davis]

Sugar taking Oklahoma over Oregon seems like a no-brainer. before you even get to future bowl relationships.

I assume they'd travel much better than Oregon to most anywhere, but certainly when it's so much closer.

Not sure what the ratings difference would be but it's a traditional power vs new-money that the rest of the country doesn't give a #### about when they aren't a National title contender. I'd think Oklahoma would be a larger TV draw.

I'd actually think the opposite. In general Oregon sells more tickets. But the Sugar will be a dud for sales anyway because with Alabama it's BCS or bust. Oregon going to the Alamo to play Texas would be great for the Alamo Bowl.

Wait, so Oregon sells more tickets to football games than Oklahoma and Alabama fans won't make the trip to New Orleans because they aren't in the Title game?

Basically. I've always had way better luck with Oregon tickets than Oklahoma, both home and road. The Superdome will be too big and not enough Bama fans are going to be excited about that trip. The school won't sell their entire Sugar Bowl allotment.

 

[Steve Tasker]

MSU in the title game

I was ####### drunk last night.

I thought you were just shticking it up to #### with the SEC fans.

C'mon now, isn't it common consensus that Big 10 football is the best conference in the country??

 

[gump]

Oh, and play the damn games that matter on New Year's Day again.

They are moving them back to 12/31 and 1/1, beginning next year:

 

[pollardsvision]

Sugar taking Oklahoma over Oregon seems like a no-brainer. before you even get to future bowl relationships.

I assume they'd travel much better than Oregon to most anywhere, but certainly when it's so much closer.

Not sure what the ratings difference would be but it's a traditional power vs new-money that the rest of the country doesn't give a #### about when they aren't a National title contender. I'd think Oklahoma would be a larger TV draw.

I'd actually think the opposite. In general Oregon sells more tickets. But the Sugar will be a dud for sales anyway because with Alabama it's BCS or bust. Oregon going to the Alamo to play Texas would be great for the Alamo Bowl.

Wait, so Oregon sells more tickets to football games than Oklahoma and Alabama fans won't make the trip to New Orleans because they aren't in the Title game?

Basically. I've always had way better luck with Oregon tickets than Oklahoma, both home and road. The Superdome will be too big and not enough Bama fans are going to be excited about that trip. The school won't sell their entire Sugar Bowl allotment.

Didn't know that.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

YUP

BCS bowls set: FSU-Auburn (title), Bama-OU (Sugar), Clem-Ohio St (Orange), MSU-Stan (Rose), Bay-UCF (Fiesta)

 

[FDAS]

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[gump]

Alabama fans will travel better to NOLA than they would have to Miami, but as a whole everyone is pretty traveled-out...and let down.

I'm going with about 10 college friends. Can't ever pass up a trip to NOLA. Will enjoy seeing OU play too.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Conferences ruined bowl games. I hate having bowls pitting the #6 seed vs. #5 seed of two meh conferences. Go back to what the games were for and let the chips fall where they may.

Oh, and play the damn games that matter on New Year's Day again.

Prior to this mess, we used to have bowls sign teams up in early November. You could sign a New Years game with a 7-1 record and end up 8-4.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Alabama fans won't sell out the Super Dome after a disappointing loss? Will they get blasted like other teams that didn't sell out games in similar situations?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Conferences ruined bowl games. I hate having bowls pitting the #6 seed vs. #5 seed of two meh conferences. Go back to what the games were for and let the chips fall where they may.

Oh, and play the damn games that matter on New Year's Day again.

Prior to this mess, we used to have bowls sign teams up in early November. You could sign a New Years game with a 7-1 record and end up 8-4.

Yep - UVA did that one year - ranked #1, finagled a Sugar Bowl invite then proceeded to lose 3 of the last 4.