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And in news that may only interest me, Mark Whipple is returning to UMass as head coach.

He led UMass to the 1-AA national championship in his first season in Amherst in 1998, then left after six seasons to be Steelers QB coach. He also was OC at Miami for a bit, and coached with the Eagles and Browns.

Alums are :towelwave: and : :hifive: because he's the guy everyone wanted to come back. He wanted them to make the move to FBS when he was here before, but that administration wasn't willing to pull the trigger.

 
And in news that may only interest me, Mark Whipple is returning to UMass as head coach.

He led UMass to the 1-AA national championship in his first season in Amherst in 1998, then left after six seasons to be Steelers QB coach. He also was OC at Miami for a bit, and coached with the Eagles and Browns.

Alums are :towelwave: and : :hifive: because he's the guy everyone wanted to come back. He wanted them to make the move to FBS when he was here before, but that administration wasn't willing to pull the trigger.
I loved those commercials in the 1980s. :thumbup:

 
Just not sure what I think about Kiffin. I can't say I'm excited, but then all he's doing is running the offense. Maybe Saban is the perfect situation for him. He can't run his mouth too much here, as coordinators can't even talk to the media.
Put me on the side that thinks it will work out just fine.
Put me on the side that thinks this proves that karma isn't such a #####.

 
He's a sensational recruiter. It took he and ed orgeron very little time to get talent to Tennessee.

He will have a bCs head coaching job within 3 years.

 
He's a sensational recruiter. It took he and ed orgeron very little time to get talent to Tennessee.

He will have a bCs head coaching job within 3 years.
Ed O is a great recruiter. Kiffin, not so much. And, aren't a lot of the guys they brought in bad fit guys that many schools backed off of, such as Bryce Brown?

 
He's a sensational recruiter. It took he and ed orgeron very little time to get talent to Tennessee.

He will have a bCs head coaching job within 3 years.
Ed O is a great recruiter. Kiffin, not so much. And, aren't a lot of the guys they brought in bad fit guys that many schools backed off of, such as Bryce Brown?
Wait...weren't you touting the USC class as the greatest ever about a year ago, how Kiffin was recruiting nationally like no one else, and arguing against those of us who were saying that it was easier to recruit at USC than other schools?

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
You know it does. Match-up-wise, they're having the the same problem as the Big 12 did for the last few years it had a championship game. The South winner had to survive the Bataan Death March while the North winner was the team that could manage to tie its shoes before kickoff of most of its games.

 
For those too lazy to look it up:

South:

Oklahoma

Texas

Oklahoma State

Texas Tech

Texas A&M

Baylor

North:

Missouri

Nebraska

Colorado

Iowa State

Kansas State

Kansas

 
I think the NCAA letting conferences do things however they want is a good idea, I don't think there's some major problem here that needs to be fixed.

Nobody was clamoring for something like this when the Coastal won 4 straight ACC titles and the Atlantic sent Boston College in back to back years.

FSU and Clemson currently are and should be the premiere programs in the Conference, but there are plenty of ebbs and flows. Clemson just had a 20 year stretch of being just as mediocre as the programs coming out of the Coastal the past couple of years (or 2 years ago, the program that should've)

Though, I suspect this is ultimately about finding a way to let ND play in the title game, which is fine.

 
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Missouri wide receiver Dorial Green-Beckham was arrested on drug charges and released early Saturday, according to the Springfield Police Department.

Green-Beckham has since been released from Greene County Jail, but police will not comment officially on the matter until Monday.

John Beckham, father of the star wide receiver, does not believe that Green-Beckham will face charges after the investigation is complete. He commented on the matter Saturday in a text message to Dave Matter, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

"Dorial was arrested last night. After being interviewed he was released. We feel very confident that the investigation will result in no charges against Dorial. Dorial very much regrets being in this situation and our family looks forward to this being resolved," Beckham said.
Green-Beckham, 20, and two others were arrested after a traffic stop and taken into custody at the Greene County Jail. A Springfield police spokesman declined to provide further details.
The sophomore wide receiver was one three players charged with marijuana possession in Oct. 2012. That arrest resulted in a one game suspension for Green-Beckham, with other disciplinary actions being handled internally.
If a similar punishment is applied to DGB's latest run in with the law, it could affect the star wide receiver's status for the opening of the 2014 season. The Tigers kick off the year with South Dakota State at home before traveling to Toledo and hosting UCF Sept. 13.
 
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Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
It's because many schools do not like the divisions and want more than one permanent rival. I read on a GT forum where they are discussing having 3 permanent rivals they play every season and then play five schools for two years (home and home) and then the other five schools for two years (Home and home). Best two teams at end of the season play in the ACCCG. If Swofford gets the NCAA to agree that you don't have to have divisions for a championship game I bet the SEC does this too.

 
I think the NCAA letting conferences do things however they want is a good idea, I don't think there's some major problem here that needs to be fixed.

Nobody was clamoring for something like this when the Coastal won 4 straight ACC titles and the Atlantic sent Boston College in back to back years.

FSU and Clemson currently are and should be the premiere programs in the Conference, but there are plenty of ebbs and flows. Clemson just had a 20 year stretch of being just as mediocre as the programs coming out of the Coastal the past couple of years (or 2 years ago, the program that should've)

Though, I suspect this is ultimately about finding a way to let ND play in the title game, which is fine.
It's not just about the ACCCG. It's to avoid the situation where some schools play other schools like once a decade and allows schools to have more than one permanent rival. UNC would be able to play Duke, State, and UVA every year and then play the other 10 schools twice each in a four year period instead of seeing Clemson once a decade, for example.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
It's because many schools do not like the divisions and want more than one permanent rival. I read on a GT forum where they are discussing having 3 permanent rivals they play every season and then play five schools for two years (home and home) and then the other five schools for two years (Home and home). Best two teams at end of the season play in the ACCCG. If Swofford gets the NCAA to agree that you don't have to have divisions for a championship game I bet the SEC does this too.
Hmm. I like that a lot actually. So FSU for instance would likely play say:

Clemson

Miami

Georgia Tech

On an annual basis, then 5 teams for a two year cycle, then 5 others after that? Then Notre Dame every 3 years? Then top-2 play for the title?

Hell that's damn near brilliant. I love it.

 
I think the NCAA letting conferences do things however they want is a good idea, I don't think there's some major problem here that needs to be fixed.

Nobody was clamoring for something like this when the Coastal won 4 straight ACC titles and the Atlantic sent Boston College in back to back years.

FSU and Clemson currently are and should be the premiere programs in the Conference, but there are plenty of ebbs and flows. Clemson just had a 20 year stretch of being just as mediocre as the programs coming out of the Coastal the past couple of years (or 2 years ago, the program that should've)

Though, I suspect this is ultimately about finding a way to let ND play in the title game, which is fine.
It's not just about the ACCCG. It's to avoid the situation where some schools play other schools like once a decade and allows schools to have more than one permanent rival. UNC would be able to play Duke, State, and UVA every year and then play the other 10 schools twice each in a four year period instead of seeing Clemson once a decade, for example.
I like the 3X5 idea. It's not perfect, but nothing's going to be trying to have a 14-team league with 8 games.

 
The main problem would be if you have:

8-0

7-1

7-1

At the end of the season. How do you break that? SOS? Committee? OOC record? Can't really do that last one because some team could have a cupcake OOC schedule. No Bcs formula to break it anymore.

 
The main problem would be if you have:

8-0

7-1

7-1

At the end of the season. How do you break that? SOS? Committee? OOC record? Can't really do that last one because some team could have a cupcake OOC schedule. No Bcs formula to break it anymore.
SOS within conference

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, I can imagine a coach wanting to be in a position of finishing 14th.

Divisions may suck, but you could at least adopt the B1G model of one cross-division "rival" and rotate the others to fill your conference schedule as needed.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, I can imagine a coach wanting to be in a position of finishing 14th.

Divisions may suck, but you could at least adopt the B1G model of one cross-division "rival" and rotate the others to fill your conference schedule as needed.
Not sure what the rest of the country would do without the Leaders of the BIG forging the way with innovation to figure that one out.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, I can imagine a coach wanting to be in a position of finishing 14th.

Divisions may suck, but you could at least adopt the B1G model of one cross-division "rival" and rotate the others to fill your conference schedule as needed.
Not sure what the rest of the country would do without the Leaders of the BIG forging the way with innovation to figure that one out.
Haters gonna hate.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, the B1G has Wisconsin in the game because OSU was on probation. I don't disagree that the two best teams should play each other. How they figure that out would be really subjective unless they put "division winner" in the tiebreaker criteria.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, I can imagine a coach wanting to be in a position of finishing 14th.

Divisions may suck, but you could at least adopt the B1G model of one cross-division "rival" and rotate the others to fill your conference schedule as needed.
Not sure what the rest of the country would do without the Leaders of the BIG forging the way with innovation to figure that one out.
Haters gonna hate.
Just messing with you.

It was just an odd way to phrase a "model" that the SEC has been incorporating for over 20 years and the ACC for 9, and that the B10 will end up having used for, what, 3 seasons?

 
Bama fans: how is the recruiting going? Any qbs? Who is gonna start next year at qb? I've let all my subscriptions to Bama sites run out and can't find a free one worth a crap.

 
Bama fans: how is the recruiting going? Any qbs? Who is gonna start next year at qb? I've let all my subscriptions to Bama sites run out and can't find a free one worth a crap.
I don't read the Bama one, but the sbnation team blogs are incredible. Blows away any pay sites.

 
shader said:
Bama fans: how is the recruiting going? Any qbs? Who is gonna start next year at qb? I've let all my subscriptions to Bama sites run out and can't find a free one worth a crap.
Recruiting has never been better. Likely Sabans top-scoring class...should finish a solid #1. If DB Humphrey fromBham commits as predicted, Bama will have 3 of the top 5 players, 4 of the top 10, and the top player from Texas, Louisiana, Virginia, Oklahoma, and Alabama (according to the composite rankings).

The QB signee is David Cornwell, the top player from Oklahoma...who has enrolled. But no one has a clue who the starter will be next season. Sims was the backup, but most doubt he ever starts. Rumors have had Del Rio (Jack's son) as the Fall surprise, and he could threaten to start. Otherwise most guys are too green (Cornwell).

That's where the play for FSU backup Coker comes into play. He could be a season maker.

 
Uh oh. Alabama DL coach Rumpf has taken a job at Texas. Rumors abound that The Ogre may be following Kiffin to Tuscaloosa.

:scared:

 
shader said:
Bama fans: how is the recruiting going? Any qbs? Who is gonna start next year at qb? I've let all my subscriptions to Bama sites run out and can't find a free one worth a crap.
Recruiting has never been better. Likely Sabans top-scoring class...should finish a solid #1. If DB Humphrey fromBham commits as predicted, Bama will have 3 of the top 5 players, 4 of the top 10, and the top player from Texas, Louisiana, Virginia, Oklahoma, and Alabama (according to the composite rankings).

The QB signee is David Cornwell, the top player from Oklahoma...who has enrolled. But no one has a clue who the starter will be next season. Sims was the backup, but most doubt he ever starts. Rumors have had Del Rio (Jack's son) as the Fall surprise, and he could threaten to start. Otherwise most guys are too green (Cornwell).

That's where the play for FSU backup Coker comes into play. He could be a season maker.
Rivals.com has Parker as the top Oklahoma player, not Cronwell. OU already had signed Justice Hansen who is ranked nationally right below Cronwell (both 4 stars), so they didn't need him. Sounds like an interesting kid, he grew up a Cornhuskers fan but obviously no one would want to go to Nebraska these days. :mellow:

 
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He's a sensational recruiter. It took he and ed orgeron very little time to get talent to Tennessee.

He will have a bCs head coaching job within 3 years.
Ed O is a great recruiter. Kiffin, not so much. And, aren't a lot of the guys they brought in bad fit guys that many schools backed off of, such as Bryce Brown?
Bryce brown was/is a talented football player. For the record, I was ecstatic about him becoming the vols coach and crushed when he left. Who knows how it would have turned out, but I liked the guy.

 
Not seeing it reported anywhere else, but some folks on twitter saying Louisville just poached Georgia's DC, Todd Grantham, and will pay him $1 mill. per year.

If true, this would be another reason Louisville is a better job than many would think.

 
As the Coaching World Turns...

UGA is going after Kirby Smart, who is an alum. Why would he leave UA? Because he may get the ever-sought-after Head Coach in Waiting title.

Still not sure how that's better than just waiting at Alabama til Richt leaves, but being an UGA guy you never know.

From there, Alabama would obviously go after Pruitt.

 
If I wanted to coach UGA I'm not sure I would want to be on the staff when the inevitable happens to Richt - it can't be that much longer one would think.

 
How does Rivals still get away with charging for content? It's not like it's a cheap price either. +$100 a year to read bs internet articles that should be free?

 
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He's a sensational recruiter. It took he and ed orgeron very little time to get talent to Tennessee.

He will have a bCs head coaching job within 3 years.
Ed O is a great recruiter. Kiffin, not so much. And, aren't a lot of the guys they brought in bad fit guys that many schools backed off of, such as Bryce Brown?
Wait...weren't you touting the USC class as the greatest ever about a year ago, how Kiffin was recruiting nationally like no one else, and arguing against those of us who were saying that it was easier to recruit at USC than other schools?
I was touting the Southern Cal class (before it imploded) of a year ago as possibly the best ever. Never said anything about Kiffin, personally, as a recruiter because I don't think he's all that. Ed Orgeron, along with Kennedy Polamalu and recently Tee Martin, are the guys that Kiffin can thank for recruiting at such an incredible level, along with the Southern Cal built-in advantages.

I've always said it's easier to recruit to Southern Cal than other schools. In fact, I'm pretty sure I pointed to the previous 10 years of recruiting as evidence of that (pointing out the star averages of Southern Cal's classes and how only Florida and one other school had come close and they only came close in two or three of those years).

 
He's a sensational recruiter. It took he and ed orgeron very little time to get talent to Tennessee.

He will have a bCs head coaching job within 3 years.
Ed O is a great recruiter. Kiffin, not so much. And, aren't a lot of the guys they brought in bad fit guys that many schools backed off of, such as Bryce Brown?
Bryce brown was/is a talented football player. For the record, I was ecstatic about him becoming the vols coach and crushed when he left. Who knows how it would have turned out, but I liked the guy.
No kidding. I know there were a lot of programs that didn't want to touch him despite how physically gifted he was. That's the point of my post. Kiffin took several bad fit/questionable character guys who were very talented.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, I can imagine a coach wanting to be in a position of finishing 14th.

Divisions may suck, but you could at least adopt the B1G model of one cross-division "rival" and rotate the others to fill your conference schedule as needed.
Not sure what the rest of the country would do without the Leaders of the BIG forging the way with innovation to figure that one out.
Haters gonna hate.
Just messing with you.

It was just an odd way to phrase a "model" that the SEC has been incorporating for over 20 years and the ACC for 9, and that the B10 will end up having used for, what, 3 seasons?
The Pac-12 does something similar to this, but I'm not sure how it works for all of the other schools, other than the California schools.

Each Pac-12 school (other than Utah and Colorado, who are forced to be rivals now) have natural rivals that they usually play in the last game of the season. They are in the same division. They always play.

You always play all the other schools in your own division. Those are four more games in addition to your rivalry game.

The California schools play each other every year (Stanford and Cal are in the North and UCLA and Southern Cal are in the South). So, that's seven of your nine conference games taken up.

The other two conference games are on a two out of every four years rotation. UCLA, for example, is playing UW and Oregon this next year for the second straight year and are missing both Washington St. and Oregon St. In 2015, UW and Oregon drop off for two years and Wash. St. and Oregon St. are on the schedule. Southern Cal is missing Oregon and UW right now.

The Pacific NW schools are guaranteed to play at UCLA or Southern Cal every other year. They demanded this for recruiting purposes in SoCal.

 
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How does Rivals still get away with charging for content? It's not like it's a cheap price either. +$100 a year to read bs internet articles that should be free?
I pay for it much more for the "premium" message boards than for the articles. I don't go near the free boards after games, they're a complete disaster. If I actually want to read about what is going on with my team and discuss it in a relatively civilized manner, that's where I go.

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, I can imagine a coach wanting to be in a position of finishing 14th.

Divisions may suck, but you could at least adopt the B1G model of one cross-division "rival" and rotate the others to fill your conference schedule as needed.
Not sure what the rest of the country would do without the Leaders of the BIG forging the way with innovation to figure that one out.
Haters gonna hate.
Just messing with you.

It was just an odd way to phrase a "model" that the SEC has been incorporating for over 20 years and the ACC for 9, and that the B10 will end up having used for, what, 3 seasons?
The Pac-12 does something similar to this, but I'm not sure how it works for all of the other schools, other than the California schools.

Each Pac-12 school (other than Utah and Colorado, who are forced to be rivals now) have natural rivals that they usually play in the last game of the season. They are in the same division. They always play.

You always play all the other schools in your own division. Those are four more games in addition to your rivalry game.

The California schools play each other every year (Stanford and Cal are in the North and UCLA and Southern Cal are in the South). So, that's seven of your nine conference games taken up.

The other two conference games are on a two out of every four years rotation. UCLA, for example, is playing UW and Oregon this next year for the second straight year and are missing both Washington St. and Oregon St. In 2015, UW and Oregon drop off for two years and Wash. St. and Oregon St. are on the schedule. Southern Cal is missing Oregon and UW right now.

The Pacific NW schools are guaranteed to play at UCLA or Southern Cal every other year. They demanded this for recruiting purposes in SoCal.
Nice system for the PAC-12. 9-game scheduling opens up some nice options.

Hopefully, the ACC and SEC will follow suit. Those sweet, sweet extra home cupcakes are hard to give up though.

 
How does Rivals still get away with charging for content? It's not like it's a cheap price either. +$100 a year to read bs internet articles that should be free?
Sounds like somebody is not a real FBG.
FBG has a perfectly reasonable price model. Rivals is a rip off.
FFAers are all multi-millionaires who lose $100/month in pocket change. Obviously, you're not one of...us. :sniff:

 
Does this have anything to do with the fact that their average ticket price the last few years has been in the single digits?
Every conference should strive to have the best 2 teams play for the title. Divisions are absolutely a ridiculous way to decide.

Didn't the big ten have a 5 loss team win it's conference last year? That's absurd.
Yeah, I can imagine a coach wanting to be in a position of finishing 14th.

Divisions may suck, but you could at least adopt the B1G model of one cross-division "rival" and rotate the others to fill your conference schedule as needed.
Not sure what the rest of the country would do without the Leaders of the BIG forging the way with innovation to figure that one out.
Haters gonna hate.
Just messing with you.

It was just an odd way to phrase a "model" that the SEC has been incorporating for over 20 years and the ACC for 9, and that the B10 will end up having used for, what, 3 seasons?
The Pac-12 does something similar to this, but I'm not sure how it works for all of the other schools, other than the California schools.

Each Pac-12 school (other than Utah and Colorado, who are forced to be rivals now) have natural rivals that they usually play in the last game of the season. They are in the same division. They always play.

You always play all the other schools in your own division. Those are four more games in addition to your rivalry game.

The California schools play each other every year (Stanford and Cal are in the North and UCLA and Southern Cal are in the South). So, that's seven of your nine conference games taken up.

The other two conference games are on a two out of every four years rotation. UCLA, for example, is playing UW and Oregon this next year for the second straight year and are missing both Washington St. and Oregon St. In 2015, UW and Oregon drop off for two years and Wash. St. and Oregon St. are on the schedule. Southern Cal is missing Oregon and UW right now.

The Pacific NW schools are guaranteed to play at UCLA or Southern Cal every other year. They demanded this for recruiting purposes in SoCal.
Nice system for the PAC-12. 9-game scheduling opens up some nice options.

Hopefully, the ACC and SEC will follow suit. Those sweet, sweet extra home cupcakes are hard to give up though.
With the ACC adding ND for like 5 games per season, the ADs have said a 9 game schedule isn't viable.

 
UCLA fans... What does the QB recruiting board look like? I saw they offered Kaaya yesterday. Do they think they can flip him?

FYI, I'm a Miami fan so I hope they can't.
It's Kaaya or bust right now. They put all their eggs in the Kyle Allen basket and every other high level west coast or local QB prospect (Manny Wilkins, Brad Kaaya and another dude whose name escapes me) committed before Allen did. Allen then committed to A&M in June and UCLA was left without any uncommitted options.

Yes, they think they can flip him. They've been after him pretty hard lately and had a bunch of players and coaches at his game last week before finally offering. There was one other guy they took a look at last week, Rafe Peavey from Missouri, but they ultimately decided on Kaaya.

He apparently wants to sit down with the UCLA coaches and discuss the offense. He's worried that it might not suit him because he's not much of a runner and the Bruins use a bit of zone read. But, Noel Mazzone, UCLA's OC, did not use any zone read stuff at Arizona St. when he was there with Brock Osweiller in 2010-11, so the Bruins are likely going to inform him that they tailor the offense to their QB's strengths and weaknesses.

The word from Kaaya's head coach at Chaminade is that UCLA has a very good chance here. You never know, though.
Just thought I'd update this for Slider. Kaaya and UCLA don't look like a match.

Kaaya likes Miami, likes Golden and the staff,is still skeptical about UCLA's offense and also with how he'd fit in with UCLA's #2 QB Assianti Woulard and the belief that UCLA is going to get a commitment in the next several months from the #1 QB for 2015, Josh Rosen.

So, it looks like both have now moved on.

UCLA is now going after Aaron Sharp, who is currently committed to Kansas St.

 

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