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*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (3 Viewers)

AUBURN, Ala. Former Auburn football player David Langner, who starred in one of the most memorable games in Iron Bowl history, has died. He was 62.

Auburn teammate Mac Lorendo said Langner died early Saturday morning after battling cancer.

Bill Newton blocked two punts in the final minutes of the 1972 game with previously unbeaten Alabama, and Langner returned both for touchdowns.

The Tigers won 17-16 in what became known as the "Punt Bama Punt" game.

"David Langner was one of Auburn's greats who will be remembered by generations to come," Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs said. "He was a fierce competitor who fought cancer as hard as he fought any opponent he faced."

Langner had retired from the car business in Tuscaloosa last November. He told The Associated Press in late 2013 that people still brought up the game daily and "it's just been part of my life since that day."

"He was very grateful of the fact that he had been in the right place at the right time, that he had something about him that people would remember forever," Lorendo said.

Langner, an All-Southeastern Conference defensive back, also preserved the victory over Alabama with an interception.

The 1972 Auburn team dubbed "The Amazins" went 10-1 and finished the season ranked fifth in the AP poll.

Langner had blocked three punts on Auburn's freshman team in 1970 and returned one for a touchdown. He is still Auburn's career record holder with 287 interception return yards, including 108 yards in a 1971 game with UT-Chattanooga.

His 12 career interceptions is tied for fifth in Auburn history.

Lorendo's father, Gene, recruited Langner when he was Auburn's offensive coordinator partly because he was so competitive, if undersized.

"David backed down from nothing and no one," Mac Lorendo said. "That was one of the reasons my Dad recruited him."

 
Gonna be a great year....Playoff looking like a mix of big brands...FSU, Oregon, Oklahoma, Michigan St, Auburn, Ohio St, Alabama...

 
He's getting some terrible advice. I thought he was a smart kid.
He's getting some terrible advice. I thought he was a smart kid.
He's going from a superstar, overly adored QB in a nutball area to likely a short career as a backup QB in a major city that doesn't really care about him. Has to be a bit of a weird transition.
gump, even if he is right, nobody wants to hear it. You keep that crap in the locker room and it just comes across as sour grapes, as if he bears no responsibility.
Here are a few talking points the FFA made months ago. I also remember one along the lines of "he won't do anything to hurt his draft status", but didn't have the patience to go back further. Now, on national TV, the rumors are he's arrogant, didn't really have the locker room and folks question decision making. Will he get drafted?

 
Hope not. He was too good to play in the Senior Bowl. Hope he works construction in the blazing hot sun as his attractive girlfriend cheers him on and brings him lemonade.

 
Well that scenario won't happen. He'll end up with some recruiting/fundraising Alabama legacy job. But I do hope he goes undrafted.

 
Not playing in the Senior Bowl didn't impact anything...he bombed his interviews and of course has questionable arm strength.

 
gump said:
Not playing in the Senior Bowl didn't impact anything...he bombed his interviews and of course has questionable arm strength.
"NFL sources" suggest otherwise....all those things seemed to have impact if you are to believe what they are saying, but doesn't really matter at this point. :shrug:

 
@TomahawkNation: Recruit's chances of getting drafted by star ranking: 5-star: 49%, 4-star: 20%, 3-star: 7%, 2-star/unrated D1: 2%, Texas Longhorn: 0%

 
Going to Vegas in 2 months, trying to pick the future odds I want to bet... Any thoughts on Ohio State? I think they have a decent shot of getting to the Championship Game... Currently sitting at 12/1, if they run the B1G, then I can just bet the money line against them.

Here is their schedule:

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/osu-m-footbl-sched.html
12-1 Vegas odds? I might have to jump on that. Definitely worth putting some money on them.

 
gump said:
Christo said:
gump said:
Premier said:
@TomahawkNation: Recruit's chances of getting drafted by star ranking: 5-star: 49%, 4-star: 20%, 3-star: 7%, 2-star/unrated D1: 2%, Texas Longhorn: 0%
Would be interesting to see those numbers from 10 years ago.
Other than Texas, do you think it would really be much different?
I do. I think star ratings are more accurate now.
"Accuracy" is pretty subjective and fluid, no? The stars can mean just about anything you want them to.

 
gump said:
Christo said:
gump said:
Premier said:
@TomahawkNation: Recruit's chances of getting drafted by star ranking: 5-star: 49%, 4-star: 20%, 3-star: 7%, 2-star/unrated D1: 2%, Texas Longhorn: 0%
Would be interesting to see those numbers from 10 years ago.
Other than Texas, do you think it would really be much different?
I do. I think star ratings are more accurate now.
"Accuracy" is pretty subjective and fluid, no? The stars can mean just about anything you want them to.
I'm not sure what source Tomahawk Nation is using, but you can remove subjectivity by looking at it like this:

Rivals '99, Rivals '04, Rivals '09 5 stars vs Rivals '14 5 stars (or I'd prefer 247 '14 5 stars).

 
gump said:
Christo said:
gump said:
Premier said:
@TomahawkNation: Recruit's chances of getting drafted by star ranking: 5-star: 49%, 4-star: 20%, 3-star: 7%, 2-star/unrated D1: 2%, Texas Longhorn: 0%
Would be interesting to see those numbers from 10 years ago.
Other than Texas, do you think it would really be much different?
I do. I think star ratings are more accurate now.
"Accuracy" is pretty subjective and fluid, no? The stars can mean just about anything you want them to.
I'm not sure what source Tomahawk Nation is using, but you can remove subjectivity by looking at it like this:

Rivals '99, Rivals '04, Rivals '09 5 stars vs Rivals '14 5 stars (or I'd prefer 247 '14 5 stars).
Not sure I follow....my point was "success" vs "failure" changes all the time depending on who you ask. Is it a "success" if a 5 star guy comes in and does nothing until his senior year? Is it a "failure" if a 5 star guy coming out of HS ends up getting hurt and not having a chance to get to the NFL? If anything's clear to me, it's that the 5* guys get a significant boost in the PR department...it's not exactly a level playing field. I guess what I'm saying is, this isn't an "all else constant" kind of stat...there are so many factors involved in getting to the NFL, it seems dubious to try and make a correlation like this...it's not provable simply because of all the variables.

 
gump said:
Christo said:
gump said:
Premier said:
@TomahawkNation: Recruit's chances of getting drafted by star ranking: 5-star: 49%, 4-star: 20%, 3-star: 7%, 2-star/unrated D1: 2%, Texas Longhorn: 0%
Would be interesting to see those numbers from 10 years ago.
Other than Texas, do you think it would really be much different?
I do. I think star ratings are more accurate now.
"Accuracy" is pretty subjective and fluid, no? The stars can mean just about anything you want them to.
I'm not sure what source Tomahawk Nation is using, but you can remove subjectivity by looking at it like this:

Rivals '99, Rivals '04, Rivals '09 5 stars vs Rivals '14 5 stars (or I'd prefer 247 '14 5 stars).
Not sure I follow....my point was "success" vs "failure" changes all the time depending on who you ask. Is it a "success" if a 5 star guy comes in and does nothing until his senior year? Is it a "failure" if a 5 star guy coming out of HS ends up getting hurt and not having a chance to get to the NFL? If anything's clear to me, it's that the 5* guys get a significant boost in the PR department...it's not exactly a level playing field. I guess what I'm saying is, this isn't an "all else constant" kind of stat...there are so many factors involved in getting to the NFL, it seems dubious to try and make a correlation like this...it's not provable simply because of all the variables.
You can pick it apart of course...but the high-level premise is that 5-stars are getting drafted more than they used to. I bet the numbers agree.

 
gump said:
Christo said:
gump said:
Premier said:
@TomahawkNation: Recruit's chances of getting drafted by star ranking: 5-star: 49%, 4-star: 20%, 3-star: 7%, 2-star/unrated D1: 2%, Texas Longhorn: 0%
Would be interesting to see those numbers from 10 years ago.
Other than Texas, do you think it would really be much different?
I do. I think star ratings are more accurate now.
"Accuracy" is pretty subjective and fluid, no? The stars can mean just about anything you want them to.
I'm not sure what source Tomahawk Nation is using, but you can remove subjectivity by looking at it like this:

Rivals '99, Rivals '04, Rivals '09 5 stars vs Rivals '14 5 stars (or I'd prefer 247 '14 5 stars).
Not sure I follow....my point was "success" vs "failure" changes all the time depending on who you ask. Is it a "success" if a 5 star guy comes in and does nothing until his senior year? Is it a "failure" if a 5 star guy coming out of HS ends up getting hurt and not having a chance to get to the NFL? If anything's clear to me, it's that the 5* guys get a significant boost in the PR department...it's not exactly a level playing field. I guess what I'm saying is, this isn't an "all else constant" kind of stat...there are so many factors involved in getting to the NFL, it seems dubious to try and make a correlation like this...it's not provable simply because of all the variables.
You can pick it apart of course...but the high-level premise is that 5-stars are getting drafted more than they used to. I bet the numbers agree.
I wouldn't disagree that they are drafted more than before. Just disagree on WHY they are drafted more....that's all. I'm also willing to bet more of the "lower" ranked guys are more successful in the NFL once they are there than they were before.

 
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I'm currently listening to The System on Audible while driving. Very interesting book. One of the coaches it follows is Mike Leach, describing his rise to stardom at Texas Tech, his trouble with Craig James' son, how he got fired, his hiring at Washington State.

Wondering what you guys think of Leach? The book makes him sound very smart, but with quite an ego (his refusal to apologize after making a dumb mistake is what got him fired.)

 
The book also paints Lane Kiffin's time at Tennessee as really sleazy. Which of course we already knew. But what I didn't know is how he got these hostesses ("Orange Pride") to basically whore for him, and then threw them under the bus when the NCAA came calling. What an #######.

 
I'm currently listening to The System on Audible while driving. Very interesting book. One of the coaches it follows is Mike Leach, describing his rise to stardom at Texas Tech, his trouble with Craig James' son, how he got fired, his hiring at Washington State.

Wondering what you guys think of Leach? The book makes him sound very smart, but with quite an ego (his refusal to apologize after making a dumb mistake is what got him fired.)
Could be a really good OC...will never be a really good HC.

 
The book also paints Lane Kiffin's time at Tennessee as really sleazy. Which of course we already knew. But what I didn't know is how he got these hostesses ("Orange Pride") to basically whore for him, and then threw them under the bus when the NCAA came calling. What an #######.
Pretty sure most of them do this

 
Yea how is that a thing? Fsu encourages recruits to post photos with the girls on twitter to entice other players to visit.

 
Yea how is that a thing? Fsu encourages recruits to post photos with the girls on twitter to entice other players to visit.
I think Kiffy got in trouble because he was arranging for girls to travel to recruits high school games.

It was a big story for a bit, but I don't think much happened other than minor violations.

 

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