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***Official*** 2016 Dynasty Value Assessment Thread (1 Viewer)
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dipandglide
Footballguy
Apollo Creed
Footballguy
I got offered OBJ for my Sammy and Amari. I said no.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
i offered him for any 2017 1st in a 14 team non-ppr league and got zero interest. most i got offered was 2.04 for AD/McKinnon. obviously didn't trade him for that.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Jet is likely worth more than pick 18 by himself.
Pick 18 in 2016 for me would be DeAndre Washington and I would much rather have McKinnon.
Pick 18 in 2016 for me would be DeAndre Washington and I would much rather have McKinnon.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
yeah, i'd rather have McKinnon straight up over 2.04. AD just doesn't have any value in that particular league.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. I like McKinnon quite a bit on his own. Is that his real nickname? Jet.
In that league I am a bit long in the tooth at running back having Peterson paired with Murray, Ryan Mathews, and Dion Lewis. I think all four of those players see their value increase as the season approaches. Just not a great time to be shopping veteran running backs.
In that league I am a bit long in the tooth at running back having Peterson paired with Murray, Ryan Mathews, and Dion Lewis. I think all four of those players see their value increase as the season approaches. Just not a great time to be shopping veteran running backs.
Borden
Footballguy
Lewis might be. Seems have a lot of support here already. But I agree they are all holds. Mathews is going to get a ton of love I think.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't think he gets any right now. The draft is going to dictate a lot. If Philly stands pat, Mathews value skyrockets, they take a back in the first two days, his value is going decrease most likely. I tend to think he's undervalued though.
The problem with Mathews in Dynasty is that he's going to be 29 at the end of the season. I don't think he's a talent that can extend into his 30s so his horizon is short. He's a solid hold right now because his value has the potential to bump twice. First if the Eagles don't draft anyone to replace him and second if he has a good September.
The problem with Mathews in Dynasty is that he's going to be 29 at the end of the season. I don't think he's a talent that can extend into his 30s so his horizon is short. He's a solid hold right now because his value has the potential to bump twice. First if the Eagles don't draft anyone to replace him and second if he has a good September.
Borden
Footballguy
I don't see how the Eagles can add a RB. They don't have the draft capital and I believe they have many other needs to fill. Maybe a UDFA but that's it. In the off/pre-season, I guess if someone gets cut but really I think Mathews is better than that.
I guess you're probably right. You're not going to get much from him. Age + injury history isn't going to equal much. I have Mathews in one league. He was cheap last year and he can help me out in spot duties and back times. Might grab him in a couple other leagues.
I guess you're probably right. You're not going to get much from him. Age + injury history isn't going to equal much. I have Mathews in one league. He was cheap last year and he can help me out in spot duties and back times. Might grab him in a couple other leagues.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I just made this trade, my 1.6 this year for a person's 2017 1st (top 8), and I had to throw in a backup RB.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Reasons people don't like Freeman as much as Gurley or David Johnson:
Freeman could end up being a huge deal for years to come, and prove the naysayers wrong, but more people are willing to bet on the 2 rookies.
- Gurley and DJ are rookies. Typically rookies improve in year 2 and thus their production should rise.
- Devonta Freeman is in his 3rd year. Why didn't he get started ahead of this year? And why did they use a high pick on Tevin Coleman, who was projected to be the starter until he got injured. I think it's because they worried that Freeman wouldn't be able to handle the load of being a bell cow running back.
- YPC - Freeman - 4.0. DJ - 4.6. Gurley - 4.8.
- Over the span that DJ started he averaged 4.5 yards per carry. Over the final 8 games of the season, Freeman averaged 3.3 yards per carry.
Freeman could end up being a huge deal for years to come, and prove the naysayers wrong, but more people are willing to bet on the 2 rookies.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's the key, especially a week before the draft. When those picks are OTC you might be able to pull it off if they guy the covet goes right in front of them, but aside from that the time to trade veteran RB was in February. Once the combine happens and people start getting 40 and 3-cone times there's a rookie fever epidemic.
Now that MFL is back up, for ####s and giggles I went back and looked at the last 5 years worth of trades in my current leagues, it's never happened. I'm not saying there all experts or anything, but these are leagues entirely populated by FBG's, some of whom still post on here semi-frequently. So they probably read these same threads and think along the same lines as most of us posting.
I just think it's disingenuous to talk about in a dynasty value thread something that is unlikely to happen unless your trade partner is either an idiot or so supremely confident in their assessments they are willing to take chances the vast majority of owners are unwilling to take. It's like pointing to one of the rape job trades in the dynasty trade (of which 3 out of 4 trades posted in those yearly threads seem to be) and saying that's the value of certain players because someone was able to pull one over on another person. Sure its a data point, but it doesn't seem very valid or really apply on a consensus basis which is what I thought this thread was trying to discuss.
But apparently I am wrong, as multiple people have chimed in saying they can pull these types of trades off on a regular basis. I'll shut up now.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
Mel Gordon. I feel like everyone has forgotten him so there is not much interest. Is anyone finding him to be cheap? Out of sight out of mind I guess.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Peoples thoughts on Kevin White
Run It Up
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He is the player I am most excited to see on the field this year. He has Jeffrey on the other side so he should have a chance to good "rookie" season. Bennett and Forte are gone so he will be given a chance to take some targets.fruity pebbles said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Could be a good buy low if you believe in him.slackjawedyokel said:
Part of the reason I thought he would be good was because he was significantly better than Monte Ball and White who went to NE
Ball was a 2nd round pick by Denver, Gordon was a 1st round pick so the NFL seemed to think he was significantly better than Ball as well.
I think his rookie season was a disappointment and that further adds to the idea that a good offensive line can make RBs look better than they are or will be at the NFL level.
matttyl
Footballguy
Now that we know where all the rookies landed, at what point in this year's rookie draft would you move the pick for a "random" 2017 1st rounder (assume 10 team). If you get to pick 6 and Elliott, Tread, Docston, Coleman and (fill in the blank) are all gone, you happy with moving the pick for a random 1st in next year's draft?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Seems like a good thing to do, 2017 may rival 2014 for depth and top talent. If not it should at least be as good as 2015. 2016 seems like a low point for rookie talent.
kylechoffman
Footballguy
Apologies if this has been asked here or elsewhere but what is Elliott worth in picks in a dynasty rookie draft? Hes going first overall in all formats so if you sat in in the 1.01 spot and didnt need him, what would you ask for or on the other side of the coin, what would you give to get him?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Something like 3 or more 1st round picks. A good player such as Sammy Watkins and a couple firsts is a deal I could see happening.
Hard to imagine a roster that couldn't use him. He is pretty much considered a round one pick in dynasty start ups. He is worth a lot.
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Spin
Footballguy
In my league, 10 team, ppr, start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1suplerflex/idp
1.1 + 1.6 was traded for Brandin Cooks and 1.4.
Not sure where that really puts Elliots value but somewhere > Cooks.
Price check on Dez.
Coming off a poor season due to injury compounded by inconsistent qb play (injury) and perceived age ( age 28 at start of season), it seems the value is low for a consistent top 10 dynasty receiver when healthy. fear that the aging wr market is soft with calvin retiring.
same league: Offered calvin + 2015 1.10 last year at draft for 2015 1.06 and 2016 first and was declined.
trying to acquire 2016 1.01 and 2017 picks, anyone seen any activity.
Coming off a poor season due to injury compounded by inconsistent qb play (injury) and perceived age ( age 28 at start of season), it seems the value is low for a consistent top 10 dynasty receiver when healthy. fear that the aging wr market is soft with calvin retiring.
same league: Offered calvin + 2015 1.10 last year at draft for 2015 1.06 and 2016 first and was declined.
trying to acquire 2016 1.01 and 2017 picks, anyone seen any activity.
matttyl
Footballguy
Sammy over Elliott straight up? I mean I have the #1 pick and I have Sammy - but if I didn't have Sammy no way would it take him alone for the pick.
jeaton6
Footballguy
Not crazy at all. I can't see anyone paying Sammy plus 2 1sts. That would be like OBJ type territory or more. Then again people do dumb things when they have the fever so it's possible!
jeaton6
Footballguy
I have Sammy and was offered 1.1 for him straight up and It was a snap reject for me. Then again I'm thin at WR (Julio, Sammy, Jordy, Edelman and then a cliff) while in good shape at RB (Bell, Hyde, Forte, Ajayi, Abdullah).
Perhaps I should reconsider or try to get Sammy plus?
matttyl
Footballguy
I actually went back and looked at Sammy's 2nd half of last year and asked myself what his entire season would look like if he keeps that pace for an entire 16 games (which isn't likely to happen for production, and maybe not even for health). Anyway, given my league's scoring (which gives bonuses for 100+ yard games, 20+ yard TDs and other) he was averaging 18PPG. That was better than any RB for last season, so what do I know?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Before the NFL draft I paid the 1.02, 1.04 and 2.02 for the 1.01, Wheaton and a future third and fourth. I maybe overpaid a little but maneuvered a lot to get into position to trade up for Elliot. After Dallas took him I was more than happy with having paid the expensive the price.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
2017 looks great and 2016 is meh but this is no secret. In one league I have 1.06 and 1.10 and haven't had any luck trading either for future 1st, especially ones on bad teams.
It would probably take both to get one and even in that case, I doubt any of the bottom teams would take it.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah that ship may have sailed.
It may be easier to go after 2nd round picks in 2017 as suggested in the podcast.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
What is everyone thoughts n Edelman? Brady out fir the first 4 games?
Early 2017 2nd, late 2016 pick maybe 1.10?
Early 2017 2nd, late 2016 pick maybe 1.10?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Personally I think people are not realizing what Martellus Bennett is going to bring to that offense. I think he siphons off a lot of targets that would otherwise go to Edelman, Amendola or Lewis. I still think Edelman will be valuable, but I can see him having a much lower floor than usual. My ten cents.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
If I was selling Edelman I'd be happy with a 2017 2nd or late 2016 1st. Not sure I'd get it. A hold seems more likely. I'd probably only be buying at that price if he was part of a package.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah but that's because I traded him away. I can't do Sammy owners that service this year.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
You talking about Edelman? No way anyone is paying a 2016 1st in any of my leagues right now. His value is in the crapper. And to be honest, that's fine because I'd much rather have Edelman than any pick outside maybe the top 7.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
He may only be 30 but a lot of his value is tied to his 38 year old QB that could hit the age wall any day.
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Run It Up
Footballguy
That was more of my point, I don't know why you would sell him - hes producing at an elite level, should expect that as long as he and Brady are both on the field so 2-4 more years.
A late first this year and you're looking at some pretty mediocre names and a second next year which is not even in the same realm of value as ~three years of Edelman.
I could understand people not wanting to pay for a 30 year old white midget. I don't understand why you would sell elite WR production for peanuts.
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jeaton6
Footballguy
I dealt 1.12, 3.2, 4.3 and Cousins for 2.8, 3.9, Edelman and Eli about a month ago. Felt good about it at the time and still do now.
jeaton6
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Run It Up
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm a fan. Personally I'd rank only Treadwell, Doctson, Coleman and Sheppard ahead of him. However that not only speaks to what I expect from Lockett but what I think about this draft class.
