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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)

unckeyherb said:
I'm not trying to be dense here, but to be clear RE: Pederson-I do not think he was their target. I do not think they did anywhere near an exhaustive search. That is my issue. If you tell me that Pederson just was such an amazing interview that they put their pencils down and said, "Eureka, no need to continue looking!" well, okay. I have a hard time believing that. If I don't believe that then I have a hard time believing that there was a reason to hire him when they did, foregoing all other possible candidates. That's all I'm saying. He wasn't a hot commodity. There was no reason to lock him up ASAP. Waste resources? Isn't that the whole point of resources? This is kind of an important hire, no?


Regarding your second point, if they knew that Gase had to have full control, and they knew they wouldn't give it to him, why bother bringing him in?

I'm not saying they hired Pederson because Chip got hired and I think you know that. I'm saying that it looks like a desperation move in the context of it all: firing Chip a week early to "get ahead of the curve", having Gase interview here and him WALKING AWAY, interviewing few legit contenders, having one of them pull himself out of the running then unofficially announcing the (IMHO) uninspired hiring of Pederson literally right after Chip gets hired. It just has a bad look to me. You obviously don't see it that way; that's cool. I hope he's half the coach (figuratively and literally) that Andy was while he was here and I'm eating crow next season.
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I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys.

I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.

 
unckeyherb said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys.

I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.
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I also interview people...I wouldn't say often but once we have settled on someone and they were impressive that's the end of it unless we had other interviews scheduled. Different strokes. There is absolutely a downside to waiting and interviewing other people. There were 7 teams who needed a HC and various others who got rid of other coordinators and position coaches. They're not just going to wait before filling those positions. Tom Coughlin doesnt have a HC job right now not because of his qualifications or age--he doesnt have one because he wouldn't be able to assemble a staff. Also, it's a two way street. If you start dragging your feet who's to stop KC from giving Doug a bump in pay or maybe he second guesses himself and decides he's comfy in KC.

Funny you bring up the WR stats while in KC.....That team had 0 TD's catches from a WR (can you name any WR they have?) and I think a combined like 880 yards and STILL won 9 games. I don't know who gets the credit for something that good but it should be credit not blame. Im not talking FFB. Im talking about getting Alex Smith and a group of WR;s THAT bad to win 9 games. Oh and follow that with losing your best player by far on the team and than winning 11 straight. That's a GOOD thing....who was it that managed that? I don't know but it damn sure isn't something you blame somebody for

 
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unckeyherb said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys.

I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.
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A desperation move would have been interviewing and hiring Lovie Smith. Thinking that his Super Bowl experience would give the hire credibility. Or waiting for McDaniels. Trying to impress by getting a Belichick guy.

Hiring Pederson is the exact opposite of the Kelly hire. He didn't go for the bells and whistles. And the hype. He went with a homegrown guy. One who has learned under a pretty damn successful Andy Reid. We just have to hope Pederson is intelligent enough to see what we all see and brings Reid's good qualities along with him and recognizes Reid's shortcomings and changes the way he approaches those things.

Every great NFL head coach started from ground zero. If Pederson can assemble a good staff and utilize the talent that we have, while the people upstairs bring in players to bolster our offensive line and defensive backfield, we have as good of a shot as anyone in the division. It's sickening the way this fan base is always pitying itself and wanting to be miserable.

 
JuniorNB said:
unckeyherb said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys. I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.
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A desperation move would have been interviewing and hiring Lovie Smith. Thinking that his Super Bowl experience would give the hire credibility. Or waiting for McDaniels. Trying to impress by getting a Belichick guy.Hiring Pederson is the exact opposite of the Kelly hire. He didn't go for the bells and whistles. And the hype. He went with a homegrown guy. One who has learned under a pretty damn successful Andy Reid. We just have to hope Pederson is intelligent enough to see what we all see and brings Reid's good qualities along with him and recognizes Reid's shortcomings and changes the way he approaches those things.

Every great NFL head coach started from ground zero. If Pederson can assemble a good staff and utilize the talent that we have, while the people upstairs bring in players to bolster our offensive line and defensive backfield, we have as good of a shot as anyone in the division. It's sickening the way this fan base is always pitying itself and wanting to be miserable.
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Not the entire fanbase. The media and the idiots they let call in to push their agenda. Gargano for example keeps pushing this narrative of his boy Spags having to beat back offers till the Giants came in and said no he can't go anywhere. Oh really? The Giants worst statistical defense in team history over the last 2 years and they want to keep him from aggressive pursuers? Sorry no buddy. That's just Ant trying to hype up his boy.

And agents and national media guys do it all the time. The fans get angry because the media tells them the Eagles front office is incompetent and had to fall back on their 5th choice. How the hell would they know?

 
Insein said:
JuniorNB said:
unckeyherb said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys. I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.
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A desperation move would have been interviewing and hiring Lovie Smith. Thinking that his Super Bowl experience would give the hire credibility. Or waiting for McDaniels. Trying to impress by getting a Belichick guy.Hiring Pederson is the exact opposite of the Kelly hire. He didn't go for the bells and whistles. And the hype. He went with a homegrown guy. One who has learned under a pretty damn successful Andy Reid. We just have to hope Pederson is intelligent enough to see what we all see and brings Reid's good qualities along with him and recognizes Reid's shortcomings and changes the way he approaches those things.

Every great NFL head coach started from ground zero. If Pederson can assemble a good staff and utilize the talent that we have, while the people upstairs bring in players to bolster our offensive line and defensive backfield, we have as good of a shot as anyone in the division. It's sickening the way this fan base is always pitying itself and wanting to be miserable.
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Not the entire fanbase. The media and the idiots they let call in to push their agenda. Gargano for example keeps pushing this narrative of his boy Spags having to beat back offers till the Giants came in and said no he can't go anywhere. Oh really? The Giants worst statistical defense in team history over the last 2 years and they want to keep him from aggressive pursuers? Sorry no buddy. That's just Ant trying to hype up his boy.

And agents and national media guys do it all the time. The fans get angry because the media tells them the Eagles front office is incompetent and had to fall back on their 5th choice. How the hell would they know?
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The problem is, Gargano and Cataldi and Morganti and Eskin and the rest of the negative media in the Philly area, have a lot of brainwashing power over their listeners. They listen for 45 minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the afternoon, and they go away thinking the team sucks, it's owner sucks, the front office sucks....

And I bet if they ever tried hiring a guy with a positive outlook, his ratings would be horrible and he'd be fired in six months. The fans live for the negativity.

 
FootballScoop.com, meanwhile, reports that new Philadelphia coach Doug Pederson plans to retain at least four other coaches from Kellys staff: defensive backs coach Cory Undlin, offensive line mentor Jeff Stoutland, running backs coach Duce Staley and special teams coordinator Dave Fip
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JuniorNB said:
unckeyherb said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys.

I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.
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A desperation move would have been interviewing and hiring Lovie Smith. Thinking that his Super Bowl experience would give the hire credibility. Or waiting for McDaniels. Trying to impress by getting a Belichick guy.

Hiring Pederson is the exact opposite of the Kelly hire. He didn't go for the bells and whistles. And the hype. He went with a homegrown guy. One who has learned under a pretty damn successful Andy Reid. We just have to hope Pederson is intelligent enough to see what we all see and brings Reid's good qualities along with him and recognizes Reid's shortcomings and changes the way he approaches those things.

Every great NFL head coach started from ground zero. If Pederson can assemble a good staff and utilize the talent that we have, while the people upstairs bring in players to bolster our offensive line and defensive backfield, we have as good of a shot as anyone in the division. It's sickening the way this fan base is always pitying itself and wanting to be miserable.
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Don't lump me in with the WIP callers and some of the other posters here. I'm not miserable nor pitying anyone. I don't like the way the search was conducted. I'm allowed to be a fan of the team AND not like how the search was conducted. I've said about 5 times that I totally do not know what to expect from Pederson-no one does. I felt and still feel that the whole thing seemed slapdash and reactionary. I would have preferred if they at least talked to some defensive oriented coaches. I find the hiring underwhelming, how does that hurt anyone? We have to wait and see-I get it.

 
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JuniorNB said:
Insein said:
JuniorNB said:
unckeyherb said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys. I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.
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A desperation move would have been interviewing and hiring Lovie Smith. Thinking that his Super Bowl experience would give the hire credibility. Or waiting for McDaniels. Trying to impress by getting a Belichick guy.Hiring Pederson is the exact opposite of the Kelly hire. He didn't go for the bells and whistles. And the hype. He went with a homegrown guy. One who has learned under a pretty damn successful Andy Reid. We just have to hope Pederson is intelligent enough to see what we all see and brings Reid's good qualities along with him and recognizes Reid's shortcomings and changes the way he approaches those things.

Every great NFL head coach started from ground zero. If Pederson can assemble a good staff and utilize the talent that we have, while the people upstairs bring in players to bolster our offensive line and defensive backfield, we have as good of a shot as anyone in the division. It's sickening the way this fan base is always pitying itself and wanting to be miserable.
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Not the entire fanbase. The media and the idiots they let call in to push their agenda. Gargano for example keeps pushing this narrative of his boy Spags having to beat back offers till the Giants came in and said no he can't go anywhere. Oh really? The Giants worst statistical defense in team history over the last 2 years and they want to keep him from aggressive pursuers? Sorry no buddy. That's just Ant trying to hype up his boy.

And agents and national media guys do it all the time. The fans get angry because the media tells them the Eagles front office is incompetent and had to fall back on their 5th choice. How the hell would they know?
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The problem is, Gargano and Cataldi and Morganti and Eskin and the rest of the negative media in the Philly area, have a lot of brainwashing power over their listeners. They listen for 45 minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the afternoon, and they go away thinking the team sucks, it's owner sucks, the front office sucks....

And I bet if they ever tried hiring a guy with a positive outlook, his ratings would be horrible and he'd be fired in six months. The fans live for the negativity.
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I don't listen to any of those guys-can't stand any of them actually. You seem very quick to make it an us vs them thing. Maybe for some of the posters on here that's fair. I am able to think for myself. I was pleasantly surprised when Lurie clipped Chip. I was a Chip guy, but it was clear it wasn't working and I thought it showed a lot of grit for Lurie to recognize the mistake and right the ship immediately. I'm not saying the front office sucks or the owner sucks of the team sucks. I question the method they arrived at Pederson. I question how much negative impact, Roseman still being there is.

Diddy was on today-I'd wager that anyone on this board trusts his opinion over their own. He also said he was underwhelmed and wondered why they did not bring in more candidates before pulling the trigger. He also qualified that with saying he wasn't bashing the Pederson pick, because he's obviously not a typical Philly 'I must hate everything' fan.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
FootballScoop.com, meanwhile, reports that new Philadelphia coach Doug Pederson plans to retain at least four other coaches from Kellys staff: defensive backs coach Cory Undlin, offensive line mentor Jeff Stoutland, running backs coach Duce Staley and special teams coordinator Dave Fip
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Duce and Fip coming back is good IMO.

 
unckeyherb said:
JuniorNB said:
unckeyherb said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't understand why you would have a hard time believing that. If he was their last interview and did an amazing job I don't see that as unbelievable. We all have jobs here and applied to different places. If we were our companies last interview and we crushed the interview why would they need to keep looking? I think EVERY HC a team hires as that eureka moment, sometimes it the first guy you interview (maybe in Miami's case), sometimes its the last guy (our case) or sometimes you already had the guy (In TB and Tenn's case)

Good question regarding bringing Gase in. I suppose there's a number of reason why that could be. Maybe they thought they could persuade him more money? Maybe they just wanted to pick the genius's plan? Maybe they thought it was BS about wanting full control? But as you said, he was the top candidate...why NOT see what he has?

We'll agree to disagree about the desperation. The only win for us is if we hire a guy before Chip gets a job...not the same day or after cause we'll look like we didn't have a plan.

He has no track record as a HC, the ONLY think we can do is wait and see.
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I interview people and often I am extremely impressed. I still interview other people. And that is for a staff architect position, not someone that will bear the full responsibility of framing the direction my firm takes in the next half decade. You need to keep looking to see what else is out there-I don't understand why that is so unbelievable. The bolded you wrote regarding Gase is my exact point. There is a window of opportunity to pick the brains of young, on-the-come coaches in the NFL. Like I've said every time, Pederson had no other suitors. There was no downside to waiting and interviewing some other guys. I've said consistently that the move looks to me as a desperation move. You don't think so, fine. I suspect I'm not the only one that sees it in this light, but who knows, maybe I'm on an island.

He has no track record, period. If you want to give him the last 3 years as OC and say that he made meaningful contributions to the offense, okay. If so, I'd point to the TD numbers by their WRs last year. I get it, we have to wait and see. I don't know anything-he may win 12 games next year. I just don't like how the team got to this point. That's all.
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A desperation move would have been interviewing and hiring Lovie Smith. Thinking that his Super Bowl experience would give the hire credibility. Or waiting for McDaniels. Trying to impress by getting a Belichick guy.Hiring Pederson is the exact opposite of the Kelly hire. He didn't go for the bells and whistles. And the hype. He went with a homegrown guy. One who has learned under a pretty damn successful Andy Reid. We just have to hope Pederson is intelligent enough to see what we all see and brings Reid's good qualities along with him and recognizes Reid's shortcomings and changes the way he approaches those things.

Every great NFL head coach started from ground zero. If Pederson can assemble a good staff and utilize the talent that we have, while the people upstairs bring in players to bolster our offensive line and defensive backfield, we have as good of a shot as anyone in the division. It's sickening the way this fan base is always pitying itself and wanting to be miserable.
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Don't lump me in with the WIP callers and some of the other posters here. I'm not miserable nor pitying anyone. I don't like the way the search was conducted. I'm allowed to be a fan of the team AND not like how the search was conducted. I've said about 5 times that I totally do not know what to expect from Pederson-no one does. I felt and still feel that the whole thing seemed slapdash and reactionary. I would have preferred if they at least talked to some defensive oriented coaches. I find the hiring underwhelming, how does that hurt anyone? We have to wait and see-I get it.
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I get what you're saying in that we the fans want a defensive philosophy. However, it is an offensive league and most head coaches are offensive minded. Maybe they simply felt that the characteristics they were looking for were found more often in offensive coaches and they didn't waste time on defensive ones. We can question if that's right or not but if they didn't want the traits of a defensive guy, why wate time bringing them in?

 
On a side note, I've become more of the mind that most defensive coordinators just don't have what it takes to be a good head coach. Some of them are great at what they do for defense. Ra ra guys that get you to want to run through a brick wall screaming like a mad man. That doesn't always work for coach. Rex and Schwartz come to mind. Yea guys like BB and Rivera adapt to the game but they are the exception IMo and it still took them great QBs to accomplish what they wanted to.

 
Reich as OC is a decent hire also. Two former NFL QBs leading the offense and a former NFL head coach that gets to just focus on the defense for DC. Keep the ST coach and we have the makings of a bounce back year. I think Bradford is here for at least 1 season.

 
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Insein said:
Reich as OC is a decent hire also. Two former NFL QBs leading the offense and a former NFL head coach that gets to just focus on the defense for DC. Keep the ST coach and we have the makings of a bounce back year. I think Bradford is here for at least 1 season.
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Agree, it has the look of a pretty good staff. Definitely enough to give some optimism in a terrible division.

 
Insein said:
Reich as OC is a decent hire also. Two former NFL QBs leading the offense and a former NFL head coach that gets to just focus on the defense for DC. Keep the ST coach and we have the makings of a bounce back year. I think Bradford is here for at least 1 season.
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Love it. What about Shurmur? Things are filling up quickly around the league, is he going to go try to be OC somewhere or can he be our QB coach?

 
Deamon said:
Insein said:
Reich as OC is a decent hire also. Two former NFL QBs leading the offense and a former NFL head coach that gets to just focus on the defense for DC. Keep the ST coach and we have the makings of a bounce back year. I think Bradford is here for at least 1 season.
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Love it. What about Shurmur? Things are filling up quickly around the league, is he going to go try to be OC somewhere or can he be our QB coach?
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Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

 
Listening now to Gargano. He's going on about the process and how shady it was that they didn't mention Jaworski and polian were involved. It's amazing the entitlement of the media in this town.

 
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Listening now to Gargano. He's going on about the process and how shady it was that they didn't mention Jaworski and polian were involved. It's amazing the entitlement of the media in this town.
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It is pretty ridiculous for the media to demand absolute transparency for every step of the hiring process.

Even more ridiculous is that the Eagles had to seek out the opinions of true "football guys" before selecting a new head coach. Guess Howie doesn't quite measure up in that department. Maybe they should put Jaws on permanent retainer.

 
Donny Loved Bowling said:
Insein said:
Listening now to Gargano. He's going on about the process and how shady it was that they didn't mention Jaworski and polian were involved. It's amazing the entitlement of the media in this town.
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It is pretty ridiculous for the media to demand absolute transparency for every step of the hiring process.

Even more ridiculous is that the Eagles had to seek out the opinions of true "football guys" before selecting a new head coach. Guess Howie doesn't quite measure up in that department. Maybe they should put Jaws on permanent retainer.
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I don't know about that. This is a big decision. I don't see why you wouldn't want additional consultants on something like this.

 
Donny Loved Bowling said:
Insein said:
Listening now to Gargano. He's going on about the process and how shady it was that they didn't mention Jaworski and polian were involved. It's amazing the entitlement of the media in this town.
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It is pretty ridiculous for the media to demand absolute transparency for every step of the hiring process.Even more ridiculous is that the Eagles had to seek out the opinions of true "football guys" before selecting a new head coach. Guess Howie doesn't quite measure up in that department. Maybe they should put Jaws on permanent retainer.
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I guess Howie can't win either way. If be makes the decision alone, its a bad one cause hes not a "football guy." If he seeks out multiple opinions just to add more data to his choice, he can't make a decision without a "football guy" holding his hand. :shrug:

 
I found it amusing that three of us jumped in the coaching changes thread to challenge a horrendous analysis of the Eagles' D by a poster who must not have watched many of their games.

 
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I found it amusing that three of us jumped in the coaching changes thread to challenge a horrendous analysis of the Eagles' D by a poster who must not have watched many of their games.
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:hifive:

I consider Bri to be a very good poster but on this it seems he just looked at the year-end stats/rankings. I would love to find weekly rankings to see if the numbers bear out the perception of their weekly decline. The secondary still needs some pieces but overall the defense was not as bad as the year-end numbers would indicate.

 
Ike Reese bringing up some good points about Howie today--If Howie was so bad and so hard to work with why would Andy Reid recommend one of "his guys" to such a bad working environment?

 
I like the Schwartz signing. Bring some attitude to that side, which is sorely needed.

ETA: dumb question, but he had Washburn for a time in Detroit right? No chance of bringing back the wide nine I hope?

 
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I like the Schwartz signing. Bring some attitude to that side, which is sorely needed.

ETA: dumb question, but he had Washburn for a time in Detroit right? No chance of bringing back the wide nine I hope?
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Yes he was with Washburn in Tenn i believe and i have read that he does use the wide 9 in certain sitiuations

 
unckeyherb said:
I like the Schwartz signing. Bring some attitude to that side, which is sorely needed.

ETA: dumb question, but he had Washburn for a time in Detroit right? No chance of bringing back the wide nine I hope?
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Some have been tossing that out there but I don't think he's exclusive Wide 9 like Washburn was. He mixes it in as another formation.

 
I don't know that much about Swartz but he seems to have been the DC on top of a lot of lists and I just read that he has had top 7 defenses in his last 3 years as DC. Buffalo D actually crumbled when he left

 
Doug says he called the plays for the second half of the NE game. He's going to get beat up over that here.

Says he's calling plays for the offense.

 
Schwartz is getting two monster defenders in Cox and Jordan Hicks. He certainly has some tools to work with. Love the hire.

 
I also have to take back my slight to the "intelligent fans"--Doug stated he has called plays for the 2nd half of every game since their Pittsburgh game

 
Doug sounds a little nervous which is understandable.

Lurie completely shoots down the reports that anyone else was close to being hired before they decided on Doug.

 
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