*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (2 Viewers)

[JuniorNB]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

I'd take Cousins if it's much less than Bradford. If they're going to sign Cousins for 15 million, I'd MUCH rather have Bradford for 18. Now if Bradford is demanding 20+ and they can get Cousins for 12 or 13, then I'd go in that direction.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

I think fans would like to think that...

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And whatever deal Sam gets from us I trust the cap hits will be handled by Howie fairly well

 

[unckeyherb]

You've also proven the point that average QBs are getting over paid. Bradford could be the next.

Yes, he absolutely could be the next one. Or, he may stay healthy and continue the improvement he made during this past season and become what Carson APalmer became (minus the huge playoff choke). I'd like to see him be franchised to see if that improvement continues. And to see if he can stay injury free. Without a major commitment. We haven't had a good quarterback since McNabb. And didn't have one since Randall before that. So getting lucky through the draft is not something I have much faith in. Especially at 13.

True but we have had much luck signing one either. Vick had the most success as a QB who wasn't drafted. Former #1 pedigree off the scrap heap. Paid him. Was just a flash in the pan.The more I think of the franchise tag, the more I don't think the Eagles want to go there. With a long term contract, you can structure the cap in the first few years to be a nice number. With the tag, the cap hit is the full $20+mil. It also makes the player angry at the lack of a long term deal, the front office angry at the money spent and the fans angry because they don't have a QB ehos really committed.

On the plus side, if Bradford signs a big contract deal somewhere else, we could get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in 2017 as compensation. Not much but better than nothing.

I wouldn't be dead set on letting Bradford go, but I better see a plan. If they trot out Mark Sanchez, I'm rooting for a different team. The Miami,Tampa and Detroit games showed that he doesn't belong in this league anymore.

With a $5mil cap hit, I don't think there's anyway Sanchez is back. Daniel just got done a 3yr $10mil deal with KC. I can see a 2 year deal in the $5-$6mil range for him to be the placeholder. Way cheaper cap number.

Not sure Philly fans have the patience to sit through a Chase Daniels season or two while the next Kafka sits and develops. Pederson would be fired after year two.

Come on. Fans don't fire coaches. Owners do. Lurie fired Chip because he pissed him off behind the scenes. Do you see Pederson doing anything that would prevent Lurie for keeping him the full term? He'd have to be awful at which point he would deserve it. I don't see us being that bad with this defense.The point of a new coach is that he wants to make the mark on the team with his guys. Drafting a young QB and grooming him has been the classic job security move for new coaches for years.

Yeah, ask the guys who drafted Winston and Mariota last year.No, the fans don't fire coaches, but Lurie has an ear open to them. If every phone call on WIP is calling for Pederson's head and every three and out is accompanied by 60 thousand boos, he's going to get fired.

Just like Reid's last 3 years?

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

you don't really believe that do you?

 

[JuniorNB]

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

you don't really believe that do you?

yes

 

[Insein]

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

you don't really believe that do you?

yes

Well I can't help you here.

 

[JuniorNB]

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

you don't really believe that do you?

yes

Well I can't help you here.

Not asking for help.

 

[Insein]

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

you don't really believe that do you?

yes

Well I can't help you here.

Not asking for help.

Of course not.

 

[babydemon90]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

I'd take Cousins if it's much less than Bradford. If they're going to sign Cousins for 15 million, I'd MUCH rather have Bradford for 18. Now if Bradford is demanding 20+ and they can get Cousins for 12 or 13, then I'd go in that direction.

Less then 5% chance, imo, Cousins hits the market. He showed great improvement during the season, led the Skins to a playoff berth - they'd be crucified if they let him walk. They'll find common ground.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

I'd take Cousins if it's much less than Bradford. If they're going to sign Cousins for 15 million, I'd MUCH rather have Bradford for 18. Now if Bradford is demanding 20+ and they can get Cousins for 12 or 13, then I'd go in that direction.

Less then 5% chance, imo, Cousins hits the market. He showed great improvement during the season, led the Skins to a playoff berth - they'd be crucified if they let him walk. They'll find common ground.

I agree. They'll resign him.

 

[Thunderlips]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

 

[Insein]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

If you sign Bradford, the expectation is that were in the playoffs year 1 and on a path to the Super Bowl by year 3. Even though some of us don't think he's a great QB, that will be how they sell the payment. The fans will want success immediately if he's starting regardless of our other deficiencies.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.

Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

 

[Insein]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

 

[renesauz]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Who said we need him to get us over the hump? With the right moves elsewhere we can absolutely win with Bradford!

An elite QB is NOT a per-requisite to wining a Super Bowl, but a competent one is.

 

[Insein]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Who said we need him to get us over the hump? With the right moves elsewhere we can absolutely win with Bradford!An elite QB is NOT a per-requisite to wining a Super Bowl, but a competent one is.

I know we expect our defense to be good under Schwartz but do we think we have a top 5 defense? Also, everyone complained about the "weapons" we have on offense. Is a competent QB going to take them to the next level?

Let me ask you then, if Bradford is our QB the next 3 years, do you think we goto the Super Bowl against the NFC contenders that are out there now?

 

[jon007]

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

you don't really believe that do you?

yes

Well I can't help you here.

Not asking for help.

Of course not.

From what I remember in the press conference was that both Lurie and Reid seemed mutual on the decision. KC wasted no time in hiring Reid. Also if memory serves me right in the KC press conference Reid mentions how he has known the ownership there for many years and wanted to coach in KC before he was hired in Philly. I do agree it was time for Reid to leave philly but I bet Reid wanted out just as much as the fans wanted him fired.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Carolina is a huge problem for everyone. They might be even better next year. That said, Seattle is on the downhill side of their run. Much of that was the result of having a great QB playing on a third round draft choice salary. They lose players every year and that will now continue with Wilson's salary. And expect Chancellor to hold out once again because he wants monster money. Rodgers seems to have regressed, along with Cobb and Matthews. And the guy they've blamed all their problems on, Jordy Nelson, is coming off of an ACL. They don't scare me. And Arizona is only as good as Palmer. He looked terrible in the playoffs. Both games. And Fitz is another year older. All will be formidable, but other than Carolina, I don't consider any to be that far ahead of where we could possibly be in the next year or two.

 

[jon007]

@JuniorNB

 

[Insein]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Carolina is a huge problem for everyone. They might be even better next year. That said, Seattle is on the downhill side of their run. Much of that was the result of having a great QB playing on a third round draft choice salary. They lose players every year and that will now continue with Wilson's salary. And expect Chancellor to hold out once again because he wants monster money. Rodgers seems to have regressed, along with Cobb and Matthews. And the guy they've blamed all their problems on, Jordy Nelson, is coming off of an ACL. They don't scare me. And Arizona is only as good as Palmer. He looked terrible in the playoffs. Both games. And Fitz is another year older. All will be formidable, but other than Carolina, I don't consider any to be that far ahead of where we could possibly be in the next year or two.

I agree with some of that. But we need a lot of refinement and talent brought in. That gets hindered (like Seattle with Wilson) by a QB with a huge contract.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades.

Things change quickly in the NFL. Dallas will surely be improved with Romo back, Washington was one of the hottest teams down the stretch and the NYGs always seem to find a way not to be down for long.

That's not to say that Philly can't be the best team in the Division next season, but I don't think anyone can just pencil in the NFC East being down again next season.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Carolina is a huge problem for everyone. They might be even better next year. That said, Seattle is on the downhill side of their run. Much of that was the result of having a great QB playing on a third round draft choice salary. They lose players every year and that will now continue with Wilson's salary. And expect Chancellor to hold out once again because he wants monster money. Rodgers seems to have regressed, along with Cobb and Matthews. And the guy they've blamed all their problems on, Jordy Nelson, is coming off of an ACL. They don't scare me. And Arizona is only as good as Palmer. He looked terrible in the playoffs. Both games. And Fitz is another year older. All will be formidable, but other than Carolina, I don't consider any to be that far ahead of where we could possibly be in the next year or two.

I agree with some of that. But we need a lot of refinement and talent brought in. That gets hindered (like Seattle with Wilson) by a QB with a huge contract.

Agree, but we just paid him 13 million for last season. Wilson wasn't even making one million. That's why the hit their taking now is a huge difference from what they were able to build three years ago.

 

[Insein]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Carolina is a huge problem for everyone. They might be even better next year. That said, Seattle is on the downhill side of their run. Much of that was the result of having a great QB playing on a third round draft choice salary. They lose players every year and that will now continue with Wilson's salary. And expect Chancellor to hold out once again because he wants monster money. Rodgers seems to have regressed, along with Cobb and Matthews. And the guy they've blamed all their problems on, Jordy Nelson, is coming off of an ACL. They don't scare me. And Arizona is only as good as Palmer. He looked terrible in the playoffs. Both games. And Fitz is another year older. All will be formidable, but other than Carolina, I don't consider any to be that far ahead of where we could possibly be in the next year or two.

I agree with some of that. But we need a lot of refinement and talent brought in. That gets hindered (like Seattle with Wilson) by a QB with a huge contract.

Agree, but we just paid him 13 million for last season. Wilson wasn't even making one million. That's why the hit their taking now is a huge difference from what they were able to build three years ago.

Which is why IMO, its important to grow with a young QB that's cost controlled. That's why I feel Foles, even with his deficiencies, would have allowed Kelly more time to complete his offensive vision. Foles wasn't going to get the huge number. He'd have been in the $14-16mil a year range but would have been cheap last year. This could have allowed Kelly some more talent on Defense or another weapon on offense (Maclin). Maybe he could have brought in a free agent lineman. Either way, the money was an issue. It will be a bigger one if it jumps to $19-20mil.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Carolina is a huge problem for everyone. They might be even better next year. That said, Seattle is on the downhill side of their run. Much of that was the result of having a great QB playing on a third round draft choice salary. They lose players every year and that will now continue with Wilson's salary. And expect Chancellor to hold out once again because he wants monster money. Rodgers seems to have regressed, along with Cobb and Matthews. And the guy they've blamed all their problems on, Jordy Nelson, is coming off of an ACL. They don't scare me. And Arizona is only as good as Palmer. He looked terrible in the playoffs. Both games. And Fitz is another year older. All will be formidable, but other than Carolina, I don't consider any to be that far ahead of where we could possibly be in the next year or two.

I agree with some of that. But we need a lot of refinement and talent brought in. That gets hindered (like Seattle with Wilson) by a QB with a huge contract.

Agree, but we just paid him 13 million for last season. Wilson wasn't even making one million. That's why the hit their taking now is a huge difference from what they were able to build three years ago.

Which is why IMO, its important to grow with a young QB that's cost controlled. That's why I feel Foles, even with his deficiencies, would have allowed Kelly more time to complete his offensive vision. Foles wasn't going to get the huge number. He'd have been in the $14-16mil a year range but would have been cheap last year. This could have allowed Kelly some more talent on Defense or another weapon on offense (Maclin). Maybe he could have brought in a free agent lineman. Either way, the money was an issue. It will be a bigger one if it jumps to $19-20mil.

You were doing good until you mentioned Foles. Rams signed him for 12.5 per year and now wish they didn't. Worst QB in the league last year. He's not even worth 2 million per.

I do agree with you on the advantage having a low priced quarterback playing at a high level can give a team. Look at Fitzpatrick this past season. He made around 2 or 3 million per. Easily played at a 15 million dollar level. And the Jets had a good year because of it. But now they have to pay for that. It's just the way it works.

 

[Insein]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Carolina is a huge problem for everyone. They might be even better next year. That said, Seattle is on the downhill side of their run. Much of that was the result of having a great QB playing on a third round draft choice salary. They lose players every year and that will now continue with Wilson's salary. And expect Chancellor to hold out once again because he wants monster money. Rodgers seems to have regressed, along with Cobb and Matthews. And the guy they've blamed all their problems on, Jordy Nelson, is coming off of an ACL. They don't scare me. And Arizona is only as good as Palmer. He looked terrible in the playoffs. Both games. And Fitz is another year older. All will be formidable, but other than Carolina, I don't consider any to be that far ahead of where we could possibly be in the next year or two.

I agree with some of that. But we need a lot of refinement and talent brought in. That gets hindered (like Seattle with Wilson) by a QB with a huge contract.

Agree, but we just paid him 13 million for last season. Wilson wasn't even making one million. That's why the hit their taking now is a huge difference from what they were able to build three years ago.

Which is why IMO, its important to grow with a young QB that's cost controlled. That's why I feel Foles, even with his deficiencies, would have allowed Kelly more time to complete his offensive vision. Foles wasn't going to get the huge number. He'd have been in the $14-16mil a year range but would have been cheap last year. This could have allowed Kelly some more talent on Defense or another weapon on offense (Maclin). Maybe he could have brought in a free agent lineman. Either way, the money was an issue. It will be a bigger one if it jumps to $19-20mil.

You were doing good until you mentioned Foles. Rams signed him for 12.5 per year and now wish they didn't. Worst QB in the league last year. He's not even worth 2 million per.I do agree with you on the advantage having a low priced quarterback playing at a high level can give a team. Look at Fitzpatrick this past season. He made around 2 or 3 million per. Easily played at a 15 million dollar level. And the Jets had a good year because of it. But now they have to pay for that. It's just the way it works.

And the Jets will take a step back because of it. I mentioned Foles cause he was here and played well here. He only cost $750k last season. We could have let him play it out and do we really think he'd have been worse than 7-9 having already been in he offense for 3 years? The point is, we could have kept key players or brought in new ones because the QB was cheap. That goes away right from the start if you pay the QB big money out of the Gate.

 

[JuniorNB]

And the Jets will take a step back because of it. I mentioned Foles cause he was here and played well here. He only cost $750k last season. We could have let him play it out and do we really think he'd have been worse than 7-9 having already been in he offense for 3 years? The point is, we could have kept key players or brought in new ones because the QB was cheap. That goes away right from the start if you pay the QB big money out of the Gate.

Foles was getting worse every year. And that continued this year. Keeping him here would have resulted in a 4 or 5 win season (if they were lucky), and without the option of signing Bradford. Now you're REALLY rolling the dice on drafting a quarterback that can be a successful starter in a few years. Sanchez is a better quarterback than Nick Foles. As is Case Keenum.

 

[Insein]

And the Jets will take a step back because of it. I mentioned Foles cause he was here and played well here. He only cost $750k last season. We could have let him play it out and do we really think he'd have been worse than 7-9 having already been in he offense for 3 years? The point is, we could have kept key players or brought in new ones because the QB was cheap. That goes away right from the start if you pay the QB big money out of the Gate.

Foles was getting worse every year. And that continued this year. Keeping him here would have resulted in a 4 or 5 win season (if they were lucky), and without the option of signing Bradford. Now you're REALLY rolling the dice on drafting a quarterback that can be a successful starter in a few years. Sanchez is a better quarterback than Nick Foles. As is Case Keenum.

Not getting into the whole Foles thing again but you're wrong to think Foles with Maclin and a better Oline would have been any worse than what we got this year.

 

[JuniorNB]

And the Jets will take a step back because of it. I mentioned Foles cause he was here and played well here. He only cost $750k last season. We could have let him play it out and do we really think he'd have been worse than 7-9 having already been in he offense for 3 years? The point is, we could have kept key players or brought in new ones because the QB was cheap. That goes away right from the start if you pay the QB big money out of the Gate.

Foles was getting worse every year. And that continued this year. Keeping him here would have resulted in a 4 or 5 win season (if they were lucky), and without the option of signing Bradford. Now you're REALLY rolling the dice on drafting a quarterback that can be a successful starter in a few years. Sanchez is a better quarterback than Nick Foles. As is Case Keenum.

Not getting into the whole Foles thing again but you're wrong to think Foles with Maclin and a better Oline would have been any worse than what we got this year.

You'd have a better chance of selling me on Sanchez and Maclin.

 

[renesauz]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Who said we need him to get us over the hump? With the right moves elsewhere we can absolutely win with Bradford!An elite QB is NOT a per-requisite to wining a Super Bowl, but a competent one is.

I know we expect our defense to be good under Schwartz but do we think we have a top 5 defense? Also, everyone complained about the "weapons" we have on offense. Is a competent QB going to take them to the next level?

Let me ask you then, if Bradford is our QB the next 3 years, do you think we goto the Super Bowl against the NFC contenders that are out there now?

Why not? Do you expect us to be the same 1 or 2 years from now as today? For them to be?

And I don't see our weapons as bad as much as raw. Mathews and Agholar have NOT peaked. Ertz hasn't. The cupboard is hardly bare. Despite the drops this year, I like the young talent at the skill positions.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Let me ask you then, if Bradford is our QB the next 3 years, do you think we goto the Super Bowl against the NFC contenders that are out there now?

I don't know that Carolina thought they could do this either before this season.

I don't even know that Arizona thought they would go that far or even Denver with Osweiller

 

[renesauz]

All the talk of QB salary is ridiculous. Just look at the last 20 years of winners. How many were young guys on dirt cheap or rookie deals?

It's niceto build a contender with a young stud on a cheap contract, but it IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NORM. It's not a viable plan for success.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think it's actually pretty simple on Bradford.....

Sign him if you think the team can contend within these next two seasons (that is....the D is going to get better/be a top level D unit, they'll fix the O-Line problems and Agholar and Matthews blossom into who you think they were when you drafted them). Obviously try to get him in as cheap as possible, but more importantly get him in on a contract that doesn't kill you cap wise three years from now if he's not who you think he is. While doing that....always be looking for your next QB thru the draft.

If you think the team is at least three years away.......then I think you let him walk.

IMHO even if you think you're 3 years away you have to do it. You're going to need someone to play the position while you're looking for your next franchise QB.

With the draft moved back so FA is basically done beforehand your hand is forced to keep him IMO. The ONLY other acceptable outcome would be to sign Cousins to a lesser deal than Sam gets. These guys are both still young and can lead a team with a decent supporting cast IMO.

The problem is is if they're more than 3 years away, they're probably getting a new HC who will want to re-evaluate talent. I'm fine if he gets more than 3....even if they aren't competitive......I just don't want a contract that will hamstring them past three years.

I just find it hard to believe that Lurie would think they are more than three years away. The NFC East hasn't been this weak in decades. As horrible as we were this past season, a made chip-shot field goal in the first Washington game and we win the division. I can't see a reason for this team to go backwards if they keep who they have. They've already improved significantly at defensive coordinator.Romo appears to be done. Way too brittle at this point. I think their window has closed. Eli may have a couple years left, but he's getting up there. And they're a mess defensively. And I think 2015 may well be the best year Cousins will ever have. Desean and Garcon are both getting old. I just see them as more of a beneficiary of the dreadful season the other three had. I think that with a still improving Bradford, we are right there as front-runners to win the division next year.

I agree. We should win the division without question if Bradford is the QB. The problem then becomes, what good does that do us? Playing Arizona or Seattle in the first round? Having to go through Carolina, Green Bay or the previous 2 at some point in the playoffs. Does Bradford getvus over that hump in the next 3 seasons and gets us to the Super Bowl? That's what we'd be paying him to do.

Who said we need him to get us over the hump? With the right moves elsewhere we can absolutely win with Bradford!An elite QB is NOT a per-requisite to wining a Super Bowl, but a competent one is.

I know we expect our defense to be good under Schwartz but do we think we have a top 5 defense? Also, everyone complained about the "weapons" we have on offense. Is a competent QB going to take them to the next level?

Let me ask you then, if Bradford is our QB the next 3 years, do you think we goto the Super Bowl against the NFC contenders that are out there now?

Why not? Do you expect us to be the same 1 or 2 years from now as today? For them to be?

And I don't see our weapons as bad as much as raw. Mathews and Agholar have NOT peaked. Ertz hasn't. The cupboard is hardly bare. Despite the drops this year, I like the young talent at the skill positions.

This. I like our receivers. I'd love to see the Eagles sign free agent Travis Benjamin. He's a burner who would take the top off of defenses. Like having Desean but without the baggage,

 

[unckeyherb]

The fans are what ultimately got Reid fired

you don't really believe that do you?

yes

k

 

[Deamon]

Bradford isn't in the Brady/Rodgers/Roethlisberger tier, but he's still a rarity- a possible franchise quarterback hitting the free agent market.

It's amazing to me how much slack Bradford continues to get. The guy has been in the league since 2010 and he's still a "possible franchise quarterback"? He's a league average to slightly above league average quarterback. He's never shown to be anything beyond that six seasons into his career. Yes, he's been injured - but lets face it as Herm Edwards says "The most important ability for a player is availability."

I guess if we go with a broad definition of "franchise quarterback" he qualifies and yes he's no worse than guys like Tannehill or Cutler so I agree that he's likely to get paid since he's at worst a competent quarterback with perhaps some upside and even that isn't easy to find.

Personally I guess I could see either side of the arguments as to what's the best course of action for the Eagles as far as Bradford is concerned - no one likes uncertainty and there's no "sure thing" QBs in this draft imo. However if I was a fan I'd probably prefer that the team didn't tie up big money on a career underachiever and would just draft a guy and bring in a stop gap guy like Chase Daniel, Brian Hoyer or Luke McCown. Honestly I'm not sure any of those guys would be that much less productive than Bradford. It's not exciting, but it's probably smart in the long run.

When you watch Sam it looks like he can play....that's pretty much all I have.

Purely hypothetical....if he had the weapons that a team like Arizona has what do you think his #'s would look like? Personally Im thinking a top 10 QB. It's VERY hard to judge him due to the fact that he may have had the worst weapons, of any QB in the league, since 2010

This. Plus, the injury-prone label is over-relied on. It's a violent game and stuff happens somewhat randomly. Once he settled in, Bradford absolutely LOOKED like a top ten QB...in real NFL games that mattered. If FA vets were in the draft...he'd be the top QB selected. I'm not completely against the idea of drafting a QB and tagging Sam, but it's not exactly a gimme move. Bradford deserves a 18-21 mil/yr deal at this point, and

I think would be worth it.

Regarding the injury prone label I think it's a legit concern based on his history and his build. His listed weight sounds solid but he almost looks like a 70's era QB in his uniform from back when the players were not all bulked up. Trying to say he has a very thin lower build. I recall Brian Billick saying he looked like a K in his uniform, but I think most K's have stronger lower bodies than Bradford.

I also think the injuries matter to his play. He looks jittery to me, like a guy who is afraid of getting hurt.

Injuries aside I've never at any point last year or any time in his career looked at him and thought he looked like a top 10 QB.

And after saying all that I still think letting him walk in FA is absolutely not an option. I'd happily sign him to a Alex Smith type contract at around $18m per year, but $21 is getting a bit much. Due to his injury history, which again I think is a real concern, if he did not want to commit to a 4 year or shorter deal at those kind of numbers I'd just franchise him if not attractive trades presented themselves. But no way he walks for nothing.

How many games have you watched of his this season? I'll say early on he had a few of these moments and only a few. The last half of the season he didn't have a single one. He stands tall and steps right into the pressure to deliver the throw. I have seen that tons of times this season and more times than not they end up as damn good throws.

Ya I remember an article about how brave Sam was in the pocket and how it seemed like he wasn't afraid to take a big shot and still focus on completing the pass.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

All the talk of QB salary is ridiculous. Just look at the last 20 years of winners. How many were young guys on dirt cheap or rookie deals?

It's niceto build a contender with a young stud on a cheap contract, but it IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NORM. It's not a viable plan for success.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't believe people are saying "the way to build a contender is with a young stud on a cheap contract", I think people are saying "you can't build a contender by overpaying a mediocre/average quarterback".

With that said, personally I surely see both sides of the debate and realize there are only so many elite quarterbacks out there, so sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

 

[dhockster]

All the talk of QB salary is ridiculous. Just look at the last 20 years of winners. How many were young guys on dirt cheap or rookie deals?

It's niceto build a contender with a young stud on a cheap contract, but it IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NORM. It's not a viable plan for success.

Tom Brady: SB in 2nd, 3rd, and 5th seasons

Ben Roethlisberger: SB in 2nd and 5th seasons

Aaron Rodgers: SB in 3rd season as a starter

Russell Wilson: SB in 2nd and 3rd seasons

Going back more than 20 years:

John Elway: SB in 4th and 5th Seasons

Dan Marino: SB in 2nd season

Joe Montana: SB in 3rd season

 

[Deamon]

All the talk of QB salary is ridiculous. Just look at the last 20 years of winners. How many were young guys on dirt cheap or rookie deals?

It's niceto build a contender with a young stud on a cheap contract, but it IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NORM. It's not a viable plan for success.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't believe people are saying "the way to build a contender is with a young stud on a cheap contract", I think people are saying "you can't build a contender by overpaying a mediocre/average quarterback".

With that said, personally I surely see both sides of the debate and realize there are only so many elite quarterbacks out there, so sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

But that are our only 2 options. There is no option 3. It's either go rookie, or go Bradford. The middle I guess would be to try to get Chase Daniels and groom him?

People are saying "well you can't win with Bradford so why not try a rookie" is the same as saying "Well there's a 99% chance we aren't going to draft a better QB then Bradford who is going to be one of those 1 in 100 steals, so why not try Bradford".

It's the same argument. Both sides may be right to say the other 'won't win us a superbowl" so why is it automatically okay to take the riskier route? If Wentz slips to us, fine go for it. But people arguing against signing/tagging Sam are acting like there's even a 20% chance that we get a QB that's better then Sam in 3 years. It's not that high.

 

[Deamon]

We all seem to agree on one thing. Things change quickly in the NFL. Let's say we strike gold and randomly get some QB that slips to 13, or hit on a 3rd round swing for the fences pick at qb and he's good in 3 years. How do we know we even have as talented of a team around us as we do now? What if JMatt blows up and signs elsewhere? What if we have a stud RB who seems to be the piece to get to the SB in 3 years and he blows his ACL? What if a stud LB holds out or demands a trade? What if Dallas/NYG/Wash all suddenly get really good like Carolina did, and we have very tough competition?

We have a good shot at being stuck in 3 years without a playoff win, and firing our head coach. Do we all really want to be in here complaining in 3 years that Pederson couldn't get it done and we shouldn't have hinged everything on some 3rd round quarterback he took in his first year as Sam is lighting it up elsewhere?

Both sides are risky, but again... we have a top 10-15 QB with top 10 potential that according to today's report, wants to re-sign in Philly, and Howie could probably make it really cap friendly for us, and we could use that first rounder on a stud potential pro bowl OL instead. Give me Bradford+1st round OL alllllll day over Chase Daniels + Paxton.

 

[modogg]

That LBer situation is troublesome

....for other teams . Without a doubt, watching any film from Alonso's rookie year and comparing to this year you can tell he wasn't himself. I know there were rumors that he might have a season ending injury then he came back in like 4 weeks or something. Like with Dez Bryant, i think he came back to help how he could, especially i think when the rest of the LB core got injured. i anticipate with Shwartz he can only go up. Pulling for Hicks to have a good recovery, but with it being his pec (i believe, know it was upper body) he can still do some work. And i'm really not sure what happened with Kendricks this year, but i'm hopeful he can look better this year as well. 4-3 base should help the LBs with Logan and another big body inside on some snaps.

i think the position will be a strength for the team next year

 

[cheeseypoof]

Interesting read:

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/offensive-coordinator-frank-reich-jumped-chance-work-doug-pederson

Mutual admiration society. Seems like they should be able to work well together.

 

[modogg]

Only 40 days till we find out what the Eagles think of Bradford.

Man these 40 days can't come soon enough. I have heard way more Bradford talk than i ever wanted. In my opinion, the only thing the Eagles could do that would really disappoint me is sign Sam to a long-term contract, especially seeing what he might get on the market. i don't know the better answer, but there have been options mentioned here that i think could work.

and honestly, F half the Eagles fan base. These pains in the ### don't know half the team, regurgitate whatever sports radio says, and will complain about everything. One thing that people are under-estimating is how awful it will be to be a fan if Sam has an average or below average year if the Eagles bring him back. Thinking how much McNabb got ripped for being a top 5-8 QB in the league, Bradford would probably absorb a lot of criticism. It was agonizing being a fan during McNabb's last 3 years or so and having to yell at other Eagles fans who kept crying for Kolb to be in.

Also, i think with the QB comparisons, it is good to look at the whole offense (and this is what makes Cam really special). Bradford had mixes of Mathews, Murray and Sproles that defenses had to account for. i would need to see the games again, but teams would seem to focus on stopping the run. We can all agree his receiving corps let him down a ton, but i really can't think of more than 1 or 2 moments watching Bradford this year and thinking we had something special.

I'm up for trying him again, just really hope us keeping him does not restrict the team from making any other deals with current payers or possible free agents. I also have to say, for me, the fact that we gave up a 2nd rounder as well during a ####ty year for the team is something that i (wrongly) hold against him. i know Sam had nothing to do that, but i also know i'll see him a little better once we get past that lost draft pick, that this team could really use this year

 

[modogg]

i am one who would have liked to see them give Chip one more year, but after looking at the overall cap situatuion i'm not so sure. i am also in the boat that they really had no choice but to try and get Maxwell, but seeing his numbers, and how much he would kill the cap if they cut him (16.5million), is really, really bad. Murray would be a 13 million dollar hit against the cap if they cut him. Maybe i don't look at the salary cap enough for other teams, but that seems bad:

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles

ETA: think i didn't look at the numbers right so they may not be that bad

 

[Long Ball Larry]

All the talk of QB salary is ridiculous. Just look at the last 20 years of winners. How many were young guys on dirt cheap or rookie deals?

It's niceto build a contender with a young stud on a cheap contract, but it IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NORM. It's not a viable plan for success.

Tom Brady: SB in 2nd, 3rd, and 5th seasons

Ben Roethlisberger: SB in 2nd and 5th seasons

Aaron Rodgers: SB in 3rd season as a starter

Russell Wilson: SB in 2nd and 3rd seasons

Going back more than 20 years:

John Elway: SB in 4th and 5th Seasons

Dan Marino: SB in 2nd season

Joe Montana: SB in 3rd season

Flacco was also in his 5th year when they won, before the money kicked in.

Same with Eli's first, and the second his cap hit was still just 9.6 million.

Cap hit for Brees in 09 was 10.3 mill.

 

[Insein]

All the talk of QB salary is ridiculous. Just look at the last 20 years of winners. How many were young guys on dirt cheap or rookie deals?

It's niceto build a contender with a young stud on a cheap contract, but it IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NORM. It's not a viable plan for success.

Tom Brady: SB in 2nd, 3rd, and 5th seasons

Ben Roethlisberger: SB in 2nd and 5th seasons

Aaron Rodgers: SB in 3rd season as a starter

Russell Wilson: SB in 2nd and 3rd seasons

Going back more than 20 years:

John Elway: SB in 4th and 5th Seasons

Dan Marino: SB in 2nd season

Joe Montana: SB in 3rd season

Flacco was also in his 5th year when they won, before the money kicked in.

Same with Eli's first, and the second his cap hit was still just 9.6 million.

Cap hit for Brees in 09 was 10.3 mill.

2 of Aikman's 3 were in his 4th and 5th year.

 

[GoBirds]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

 

[Insein]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

 

[Insein]

It's just something to consider. I think having a QB who is maybe in the 10-15 range being paid in the top 5 money, it hinders your team. I don't have all the pay structures over the last 20 years or so but its just my opinion. I wouldn't sign Bradford long term because I don't think he can be a top 5 QB.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

All the talk of QB salary is ridiculous. Just look at the last 20 years of winners. How many were young guys on dirt cheap or rookie deals?

It's niceto build a contender with a young stud on a cheap contract, but it IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NORM. It's not a viable plan for success.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't believe people are saying "the way to build a contender is with a young stud on a cheap contract", I think people are saying "you can't build a contender by overpaying a mediocre/average quarterback".

With that said, personally I surely see both sides of the debate and realize there are only so many elite quarterbacks out there, so sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

But that are our only 2 options. There is no option 3. It's either go rookie, or go Bradford. The middle I guess would be to try to get Chase Daniels and groom him?People are saying "well you can't win with Bradford so why not try a rookie" is the same as saying "Well there's a 99% chance we aren't going to draft a better QB then Bradford who is going to be one of those 1 in 100 steals, so why not try Bradford".

It's the same argument. Both sides may be right to say the other 'won't win us a superbowl" so why is it automatically okay to take the riskier route? If Wentz slips to us, fine go for it. But people arguing against signing/tagging Sam are acting like there's even a 20% chance that we get a QB that's better then Sam in 3 years. It's not that high.

I think you're leaving out the salary cap ramifications of one of those options.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

As Insein pointed out, Tom Brady was quite low and it has been well-reported that he has had a below-market salary for a few years

The cap in 2011 was $120 million, when Eli was at 9.6 million. The cap is now at $143 million. So relative to a present-day $20 million contract, Eli was much below that.

The original post was about the year in which each of the QBs won their SB, not their absolute dollar figure, which would necessarily indicate that they were lower-paid relative to the league and the cap.

 

[GoBirds]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

Cap hits are easily adjusted.