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They need to do what USC did last year: fire Hoke right now and put an interim coach in. That should satisfy the fans and give them a chance to find the new coach they want. They can wait on the AD. Hoke is the face of the team.
The problem is NOBODY wants this AD to pick another football coach. He's an incompetent moron.

 
They need to do what USC did last year: fire Hoke right now and put an interim coach in. That should satisfy the fans and give them a chance to find the new coach they want. They can wait on the AD. Hoke is the face of the team.
This is a different situation IMO. There's a ton more to this than just football. Football is the filter a lot of "outsiders" are seeing this through, but it's bigger than that. And I openly mock Ross. Having billions doesn't make you smart when it comes to football or running an athletic organization. He's the perfect illustration of that assertion. I get that he's the booster of all boosters, but he knows exactly nothing about what he is talking. Though, I do agree, Brandon with Ross' support, is not a good thing. One thing is clear...even in this fractured fan base, NO ONE wants Brandon picking another coach.

 
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Ultimately universities and their football programs are trying to bring in money, if Brandon is doing that depsite the football losses he'll stay. That's why Ross is important. Sure he may not know football, but he knows $$$ and that is what ultimately matters

 
Ultimately universities and their football programs are trying to bring in money, if Brandon is doing that depsite the football losses he'll stay. That's why Ross is important. Sure he may not know football, but he knows $$$ and that is what ultimately matters
If the team continues to be horrible, doesn't that ultimately affect how much money is coming in? At least from a ticket sales, etc. standpoint.

As a Spartan I hope they both stay around forever. Brady is a buffoon.

 
Ultimately universities and their football programs are trying to bring in money, if Brandon is doing that depsite the football losses he'll stay. That's why Ross is important. Sure he may not know football, but he knows $$$ and that is what ultimately matters
A lot of the fanbase, myself included, disagrees. There are right/wrong ways to bring in money. Jacking up student ticket prices isn't one of them (for one example).

 
Ultimately universities and their football programs are trying to bring in money, if Brandon is doing that depsite the football losses he'll stay. That's why Ross is important. Sure he may not know football, but he knows $$$ and that is what ultimately matters
If the team continues to be horrible, doesn't that ultimately affect how much money is coming in? At least from a ticket sales, etc. standpoint.

As a Spartan I hope they both stay around forever. Brady is a buffoon.
Not being successful certainly does impact the money coming in. How the university balances the equation is gonna be key here. Also how strongly Ross supports Brandon, I'll wager there's a call made to him before any moves are made.

 
Ultimately universities and their football programs are trying to bring in money, if Brandon is doing that depsite the football losses he'll stay. That's why Ross is important. Sure he may not know football, but he knows $$$ and that is what ultimately matters
A lot of the fanbase, myself included, disagrees. There are right/wrong ways to bring in money. Jacking up student ticket prices isn't one of them (for one example).
Oh I am with you, but Brandon has done a great job at bringing in donations. He seems to shine there. That is not the end all and be all, but it is important. To fans it is not important, to the school it certainly is

 
Ultimately universities and their football programs are trying to bring in money, if Brandon is doing that depsite the football losses he'll stay. That's why Ross is important. Sure he may not know football, but he knows $$$ and that is what ultimately matters
A lot of the fanbase, myself included, disagrees. There are right/wrong ways to bring in money. Jacking up student ticket prices isn't one of them (for one example).
Oh I am with you, but Brandon has done a great job at bringing in donations. He seems to shine there. That is not the end all and be all, but it is important. To fans it is not important, to the school it certainly is
Don't disagree a lot, but Michigan doesn't "need" football to bring in money (from a school perspective). They have the luxury of being able to dictate HOW that money is brought in. What Brandon's done is essentially this and at the expense of the product.. All it's doing is alienating the fan base. Seems to be the ONE thing that unites all the fans.

 
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Folks are trying to organize the wearing of red during the UM vs PSU game with #FireDaveBrandon and #SupportThesePlayers....sales from the t-shirts go to X charity. (TBD)

 
Brandon Gone?

http://gregghenson.com/source-michigan-has-contacts-uconn-and-boston-college-about-ads/

According to the web site coachingsearch.com, Michigan has already begun to gauge the interested of UCONN AD Warde Manuel and Boston College AD Brad Bates. I wrote about it last week. Read the story here.

I’m told Brandon knows he’s gone and will simply negotiate his departure from this point forward, that is why you don’t see him ANYWHERE right now.

http://coachingsearch.247sports.com/Article/Michigan-athletic-director-Dave-Brandon-Warde-Manuel-Brad-Bates-31598335

Current Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon has been under heavy scrutiny for an extended period of time for decisions that have alienated much of the Wolverines fan base.

Before arriving in Ann Arbor, Brandon was the chariman of the board, CEO and manager of Domino’s Pizza. He has been blamed for creating too much of a corporate environment at Michigan athletic events and the fan attendance has lagged.

With the way the Michigan football program (2-3) is performing this season, there is reason to suspect a possible head coaching change, too. If that is the case, Brandon may not be the appropriate person to make any decision regarding the future of Brady Hoke or a possible successor.

Manuel is a graduate of Michigan and played football under Bo Schembechler. Before accepting the UConn athletic director position, Manuel served six years as the athletic director at Buffalo.

Bates was also a part of the Wolverines football program under Schembechler. Bates holds undergraduate and graduate degrees from Michigan, and a doctorate degree from Vanderbilt.

Before accepting the athletic director position at Boston College, he spent ten years as the athletic director at Miami (OH) University.

In 2012, Michigan announced a three-year contract extension that will pay Brandon approximately $1.05 million in base salary by 2017-2018.

In 2012, Manuel signed a 5-year contract with a base salary of $450,000 per year at UConn.

Boston College, a private institution, does not disclose financial figures.

A phone call to the Michigan athletic department went unreturned earlier today.

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Just lost a blue chip recruit. Fire him.
I guess the "silver lining" here is that this was going to be a tiny class anyway. Honestly, Clark looking caught my attention more than this kid. They're ok at DE for the short term. I know NCSU has been recruiting him hard...even after his commitment to Michigan. I'm not really surprised he's pulling out. Was looking at this roster and I didn't realize that over 70 of the kids on scholarship are freshmen/sophomores (including redshirt status).

 
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Dumpster.Meet.Fire

Brandon statement released 1 AM this morning apparently:

https://www.michigandaily.com/sports/statement-dave-brandon-regarding-student-athlete-health-and-welfare

Any bets on whether Hoke's wearing a headset this Saturday?
In the fourth quarter, Shane took a significant hit and stumbled after getting up. From the field level and without the benefit of replays, medical and coaching staffs did not see the hit. Because they did not see the hit, the athletic training staff believed Shane stumbled because of his ankle injury. The team neurologist, watching from further down the field, also did not see the hit. However, the neurologist, with expertise in detecting signs of concussion, saw Shane stumble and determined he needed to head down the sideline to evaluate Shane.

Wow.

 
Looks like the rumblings of an AD search has spawned a response from the AD:

Ultimate responsibility for the health and safety of our student-athletes resides with each team's coach and with me, as the Director of Athletics. We are committed to continuously improving our procedures to better protect the health and welfare of our student-athletes.

I have had numerous meetings beginning Sunday morning to thoroughly review the situation that occurred at Saturday's football game regarding student-athlete Shane Morris. I have met with those who were directly involved and who were responsible for managing Shane's care and determining his medical fitness for participation.

In my judgment, there was a serious lack of communication that led to confusion on the sideline. Unfortunately, this confusion created a circumstance that was not in the best interest of one of our student-athletes. I sincerely apologize for the mistakes that were made. We have to learn from this situation, and moving forward, we will make important changes so we can fully live up to our shared goal of putting student-athlete safety first.

I have worked with Darryl Conway, my associate athletic director for Student-Athlete Health and Welfare, to develop a detailed accounting of the events that occurred. Darryl is the person who oversees all athletic training personnel and serves as the liaison to the physicians we work with through the University of Michigan Health System and University Health Services.

It is important to note that our athletic trainers and physicians working with Michigan Athletics have the unchallengeable authority to remove student-athletes from the field of play. Michigan Athletics has numerous medical professionals at every football competition including certified athletic trainers and several physicians from various relevant specialties.

I, along with Darryl and our administrative and medical teams, have spent much of the last two days carefully reviewing the situation regarding Shane Morris. We now understand that, despite having the right people on the sidelines assessing our student-athletes' well being, the systems we had in place were inadequate to handle this unique and complex situation properly.

With his permission, I can share that Shane Morris suffered an ankle injury during the third quarter of Saturday's game. He was evaluated for that injury by an orthopedic surgeon and an athletic trainer several times during the game. With each of these evaluations it was determined that his ankle injury did not prevent him from playing.

In the fourth quarter, Shane took a significant hit and stumbled after getting up. From the field level and without the benefit of replays, medical and coaching staffs did not see the hit. Because they did not see the hit, the athletic training staff believed Shane stumbled because of his ankle injury. The team neurologist, watching from further down the field, also did not see the hit. However, the neurologist, with expertise in detecting signs of concussion, saw Shane stumble and determined he needed to head down the sideline to evaluate Shane.

Shane came off the field after the following play and was reassessed by the head athletic trainer for the ankle injury. Since the athletic trainer had not seen the hit to the chin and was not aware that a neurological evaluation was necessary, he cleared Shane for one additional play.

The neurologist and other team physicians were not aware that Shane was being asked to return to the field, and Shane left the bench when he heard his name called and went back into the game. Under these circumstances, a player should not be allowed to re-enter the game before being cleared by the team physician. This clearly identifies the need for improvements in our sideline and communications processes.

Following the game, a comprehensive concussion evaluation was completed and Shane has been evaluated twice since the game. As of Sunday, Shane was diagnosed with a probable, mild concussion, and a high ankle sprain. That probable concussion diagnosis was not at all clear on the field on Saturday or in the examination that was conducted post-game. Unfortunately, there was inadequate communication between our physicians and medical staff and Coach Hoke was not provided the updated diagnosis before making a public statement on Monday. This is another mistake that cannot occur again.

Going forward, we have identified two changes in our procedures that we will implement immediately:

We will have an athletic medicine professional in the press box or video booth to ensure that someone will have a bird's eye view of the on-field action, have television replay available and have the ability to communicate with medical personnel on the sidelines.

We are also examining how to reinforce our sideline communication processes and how decisions will be made in order to make sure that information regarding student-athlete availability to participate is communicated effectively amongst the medical team and to our coaches.

We have learned from this experience, and will continue to improve ways to keep our student-athletes' health and safety our number one priority.
It's complete :bs: and very close to statements he made as he threw RR under the bus. Funny thing is, Brian (owner/admin of mgoblog) knew of the injuries yesterday morning well before the presser. That Brandon claims Hoke didn't know about them is laughable IMO. He's either lying or Hoke was lying....one of the two. I'll be glad when this is all over and both these guys are gone.

 
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.

 
A comment from Brian at mgoblog...pretty much sums it up without coming out and saying it:

I don't think "wow just wow" or "incredible" or "paranoid" is justified here, guys. There is reality, and then there is how that is presented, and people are fighting over both halves of that all the time. For the word concussion to make the final thing is an achievement given the events preceding this statement. Because that is *all* that matters in the PR/reality war. That single word.

Is that a cover up? No. It's there, that word. That is going to be a ####storm tomorrow. I only have small windows into these things. I do think that this was a battle that the right people won and the wrong people dressed up.

Maybe I just have a dimmer opinion of Brandon PR than the majority?
I suspect things will be happening quickly. This was kerosene on an already flaming fire.

 
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
This tends to happen when it's not your natural approach. I sorta feel bad for him being put in this position. He's not a good liar by any stretch.

 
Eh, I dont think Brady Hoke is that bad in press conferences. He just acts like an 82 year old man who thinks the world is still like it was in the 50's

Having said that, its time to make a change and it starts with the AD.

 
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
This tends to happen when it's not your natural approach. I sorta feel bad for him being put in this position. He's not a good liar by any stretch.
Agreed. I feel bad for him too. Makes me uncomfortable just watching/listening to him.

 
it is hard to believe their strategy here was "play dumb"

no one who watched that hit thought he was stumbling because of his ankle, ridiculous'

 
How many of these 'DL Coach' types have become good Head Coaches?

Alabama had one...Mike Dubose...he's likely the worst coach in school history.

Ole Miss hired Coach Ogre coming off a fantastic USC career...he went 3-21 in the SEC.

Seems like a bad idea in general.
Saban's that kind of coach no? Or was he a defensive back? Bo seemed like that type, though I don't think he was ever a position coach officially.

 
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
Who is gong to give him that training? The incompetent moron AD?

 
B-Deep said:
it is hard to believe their strategy here was "play dumb"

no one who watched that hit thought he was stumbling because of his ankle, ridiculous'
Once again, the athletic department is left with complete incompetence as its best explanation.

 
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B-Deep said:
it is hard to believe their strategy here was "play dumb"

no one who watched that hit thought he was stumbling because of his ankle, ridiculous'
Once again, the athletic department is left with complete incompetence as its best explanation.
the sad thing is i believe that they truly may be THAT incompetent

 
whoknew said:
Keerock said:
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
Who is gong to give him that training? The incompetent moron AD?
Firms hire people to give that training all the time. I see no reason they couldn't do the same here... maybe they did I don't know. Reality is that Hoke probably just doesn't have that type of personality... all the training in the world may not help completely, but I think it's painfully obvious this is his weakest attribute as a head coach.

 
whoknew said:
Keerock said:
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
Who is gong to give him that training? The incompetent moron AD?
Firms hire people to give that training all the time. I see no reason they couldn't do the same here... maybe they did I don't know. Reality is that Hoke probably just doesn't have that type of personality... all the training in the world may not help completely, but I think it's painfully obvious this is his weakest attribute as a head coach.
Oh I disagree with that. I mean - I agree he's terrible at PR. But he's equally miserable at developing players, in game strategy, being on the forefront of trends, being aware of whats going on in a game ... the list goes on and on. I think general incompetence is his weakest attribute.

 
The Commish said:
gump said:
The Commish said:
How many of these 'DL Coach' types have become good Head Coaches?

Alabama had one...Mike Dubose...he's likely the worst coach in school history.

Ole Miss hired Coach Ogre coming off a fantastic USC career...he went 3-21 in the SEC.

Seems like a bad idea in general.
Saban's that kind of coach no? Or was he a defensive back? Bo seemed like that type, though I don't think he was ever a position coach officially.
Saban was DB. Just seems like the great DL coaches have a passion that's incredible, but personality traits that don't fit well with being a HC.

Another example...Monte Kiffin...HOF DL coach...never even really given a chance at HC.

 
whoknew said:
Keerock said:
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
Who is gong to give him that training? The incompetent moron AD?
Firms hire people to give that training all the time. I see no reason they couldn't do the same here... maybe they did I don't know. Reality is that Hoke probably just doesn't have that type of personality... all the training in the world may not help completely, but I think it's painfully obvious this is his weakest attribute as a head coach.
In reality Hoke is a small program coach. Where there are 1-2 local reporters who are buddies that ask the question, where there is not a million fans following every move of the program. Michigan is too big of a stage for a coach like Brady Hoke and he is not equipped to handle it.

 
The Commish said:
gump said:
The Commish said:
How many of these 'DL Coach' types have become good Head Coaches?

Alabama had one...Mike Dubose...he's likely the worst coach in school history.

Ole Miss hired Coach Ogre coming off a fantastic USC career...he went 3-21 in the SEC.

Seems like a bad idea in general.
Saban's that kind of coach no? Or was he a defensive back? Bo seemed like that type, though I don't think he was ever a position coach officially.
Saban was is a DB. Just seems like the great DL coaches have a passion that's incredible, but personality traits that don't fit well with being a HC.

Another example...Monte Kiffin...HOF DL coach...never even really given a chance at HC.
FYP

 
whoknew said:
Keerock said:
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
Who is gong to give him that training? The incompetent moron AD?
Firms hire people to give that training all the time. I see no reason they couldn't do the same here... maybe they did I don't know. Reality is that Hoke probably just doesn't have that type of personality... all the training in the world may not help completely, but I think it's painfully obvious this is his weakest attribute as a head coach.
Oh I disagree with that. I mean - I agree he's terrible at PR. But he's equally miserable at developing players, in game strategy, being on the forefront of trends, being aware of whats going on in a game ... the list goes on and on. I think general incompetence is his weakest attribute.
Fair enough.

 
whoknew said:
Keerock said:
One other thing that baffles me... Hoke may have the worst interview/public relations skills I've ever seen from a coach. Especially in a high profile program like this, I would think that they (Brandon) would give him training on how to handle a presser, an interview, and just how to act (react) in public. His back-peddling, lying, cover-up, bumbling rants are comical.
Who is gong to give him that training? The incompetent moron AD?
Firms hire people to give that training all the time. I see no reason they couldn't do the same here... maybe they did I don't know. Reality is that Hoke probably just doesn't have that type of personality... all the training in the world may not help completely, but I think it's painfully obvious this is his weakest attribute as a head coach.
Oh I disagree with that. I mean - I agree he's terrible at PR. But he's equally miserable at developing players, in game strategy, being on the forefront of trends, being aware of whats going on in a game ... the list goes on and on. I think general incompetence is his weakest attribute.
He can develop players to a certain extent, then he plateaus. They never see their full potential. They did a pretty good job turning the defense around. He stuck with Borges too long and now he has an underdeveloped offense learning a new system. Recipe for disaster. If left to just coach, I think he'd be fine. I think he's been completely overwhelmed by the pressures of a big program and everything's come crashing down on him.

 
Interesting to see Warde Manuel's name come up. He was fantastic at UB and was an assistant AD at Michigan before coming here. I can't speak to his tenure at UConn but he got there right as the Big East was beginning to fracture. He's a smart dude who carries himself well. Class act.

 
I want this to continue to snowball

i want it to end sooner rather than later. Everyone knows the coach is gone, recruits no it, everyone knows it. Just get it done

 

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