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*** Official 2022 PGA Tour Thread - Memorial Tournament, LIV list leaked- It's all Paulina's Fault **** (1 Viewer)

@golfismental: Conspiracy theory: the Saudi golf league is secretly backed by the PGA Tour to get rid of the guys they don’t want anymore

 
@KylePorterCBS: When he stood on the 18th tee box at -12, @datagolf had Spieth at a 0.8% chance to win the tournament. Currently at 40% and rising.

 
Jordan's wife giving the baby its first concussion, running up to Jordan after the win.  Looked like Emmitt Smith going in from the 2, just without the balling.  😄

 
@business: Phil Mickelson has signed up for the PGA Championship and the U.S. Open, and his manager asked the PGA Tour for permission to play in a Saudi-funded golf tournament outside London without saying whether Mickelson will play any of them, via AP https://trib.al/UTWc3vo

 
JaxBill said:
Poor Westwood fighting to put food on the table

@GolfAustMag: "This is my job. I do this for money. It's not the only reason for doing it. But if anybody comes along and gives any of us a chance at a pay rise, then you have to seriously consider it, don't you?" - @WestwoodLee 

https://www.golfaustralia.com.au/news/westwood-seeks-release-to-play-liv-golf-invitational-579588
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:shrug: who gives a flying ####? his ex wife got a huge portion of his 65 million when they divorced, good for him that he has found a pay raise at his age

 
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@AP_Sports: Federal auditors investigating golfer Phil Mickelson’s role in an insider trading scheme found his gambling losses totaled more than $40 million from 2010 to 2014, according to an excerpt from a forthcoming biography. http://apne.ws/95AvDDS

 
Sooooo tired of these guys crying. If you want to go to the Saudi tour....just go. Stop crying and being so passive aggressive about it every time the ball doesn't bounce your way. 

Does Sergio Garcia really think anyone cares whether he tees it up next week? He was a great player and is still pretty decent but he won't be missed.

 
I mean seriously....dude is the 47th ranked player in the world right now. Him leaving would be like if Dayton or Colorado State boycotted the NCAA tournament.

I'm pretty sure the only people that would actually care are his sponsors. Obviously I dont know the details of any of his contracts, but if you're Taylormade, you can't be thrilled that the guy is voluntarily leaving the only tour that matters (assuming he's actually leaving)  and indirectly associating their brand with the Saudis by moving over there.

 
JaxBill said:
@AP_Sports: Federal auditors investigating golfer Phil Mickelson’s role in an insider trading scheme found his gambling losses totaled more than $40 million from 2010 to 2014, according to an excerpt from a forthcoming biography. http://apne.ws/95AvDDS
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 Damn, that's Uncut Gems level of gambling addictions there.  I know he has deep pockets so I don't really feel bad for him, but how the hell do you lose $40 mil before admitting that you may have a problem?

 
I'm genuinely curious about the LIV tour model for attendance. Are they counting on mostly TV money with limited attendance?

PGA Tour can handle large crowds because of all the volunteers they get. Who would volunteer for the Saudi tour? (outside of SA)

Speaking of volunteers,  good luck finding marshals to help Sergio look for his ball.

 
so I guess the tour came out this morning and said the official made a mistake (and that Sergio wasn't considered to be "searching for his ball" until he got to the far left side of the creek. 

Even if that's right...doesn't excuse his petulant attitude and the whole "can't wait till I get to the Saudi tour" nonsense.

Never mind the inequality of the rules in a situation like that. The only reason he KNEW the ball was on that side of the creek (and was determined not to be "searching" until he got there) was because the camera crew told him. A lesser known player not in the "Featured Group" wouldn't have had that luxury.

 
Interesting Max Homa tidbits 

@KylePorterCBS: Since the start of 2021, Max Homa has more worldwide wins than Rory, Rahm, Spieth, JT, Bryson, DJ, Xander and Brooks.

@acaseofthegolf1: Every time Max Homa wins its worth reminding everyone that less than 4 years ago he was 4 holes from losing full KFT status and going back to Q school. 

Birdied the last 4, made the cut on the number and got his card in KFT finals. 

1 stroke between Q-school and KFT card. https://twitter.com/acaseofthegolf1/status/1523432189018316800/photo/1

 
JaxBill said:
PGA Tour playing hardball! It had been speculated that the tour might grant release for the first LIV event in London because it was overseas. 

Nope, Tour is saying our way or the highway.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33893686/source-pga-tour-denies-releases-players-looking-compete-inaugural-liv-event-london-next-month
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Deane Beman would be proud. They tried to impose restrictions on Euro players who were cherry picking events & not letting their minimum. Might have suspended Seve for awhile.

Didn’t end well. Ultimately the players (market) prevailed. I’m imagining a similar reluctant result here. Am I missing something? Other than the Saudi blood money makes people uncomfortable?

 
The schedule:

June 9-11: Centurion Golf Club – London area

July 1-3: Pumpkin Ridge Golf Club – Portland area

July 29-31: Trump National Golf Club Bedminster – New Jersey

Sept 2-4: The International – Boston area

Sept 16-18: Rich Harvest Farms – Chicago area

Oct 7-9: Stonehill Golf Club – Bangkok

Oct 14-16: Royal Greens Golf Club – Jeddah

Oct 28-30: Team Championship – TBC

$255M in prize money.

So far the DP World Tour (European Tour) is in lockstep with the PGA Tour.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Deane Beman would be proud. They tried to impose restrictions on Euro players who were cherry picking events & not letting their minimum. Might have suspended Seve for awhile.

Didn’t end well. Ultimately the players (market) prevailed. I’m imagining a similar reluctant result here. Am I missing something? Other than the Saudi blood money makes people uncomfortable?
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The Saudi money has always made the Tour uncomfortable because they promised Appearance Fees at the existing Saudi tourneys. Goes against the play for pay at root of Tour.

Basically LIV promised exorbitant Appearance fees for guy 40+ as the Tour becomes a Young Man's Game. 

PGA Tour has had a longstanding policy to not allow a release for any USA based rival tournament. 

 
A friend of mine knows somebody who knows somebody who predicts the following-

LIV won't sue the PGA Tour.  They will have a player do it.  The lawsuit will be federal and will be filed in a liberal circuit so that the initial ruling goes against the Tour.  The player(s) will win an injunction which prevent players from being punished for a short time.  Then the PGA Tour will start winning every legal battle until there is a settlement that alllows the player(s) to save face while the Tour keeps its right to make their own rules for membership.

 
JaxBill said:
A friend of mine knows somebody who knows somebody who predicts the following-

LIV won't sue the PGA Tour.  They will have a player do it.  The lawsuit will be federal and will be filed in a liberal circuit so that the initial ruling goes against the Tour.  The player(s) will win an injunction which prevent players from being punished for a short time.  Then the PGA Tour will start winning every legal battle until there is a settlement that alllows the player(s) to save face while the Tour keeps its right to make their own rules for membership.
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Forgive me if this has been answered but: Won't those players (who are worth it) still be shoo-ins to the Majors, other than MAYBE The Open?  Masters private, US Open USGA, PGA Championship not run by PGA tour.  Does the Euro tour have say in The Open?

If the guys who play LIV can play the Majors, not sure why guys like Sergio WOULDN'T c'mon take the money and run.

 
facook said:
Forgive me if this has been answered but: Won't those players (who are worth it) still be shoo-ins to the Majors, other than MAYBE The Open?  Masters private, US Open USGA, PGA Championship not run by PGA tour.  Does the Euro tour have say in The Open?

If the guys who play LIV can play the Majors, not sure why guys like Sergio WOULDN'T c'mon take the money and run.
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I believe you're correct about the majors and it does make sense for Sergio to follow the money.

It also makes sense for the Tour to say "Bye, Felicia....and if LIV folds, your only way back is QSchool."

 
belljr said:
Just my opinion but I think masters would side with pga and not allow guys in
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I don't disagree necessarily, but can they do that for past Champs?  Phil, Serg, Bubba, whoever?  Lifetime exemption revoked?

If nothing else, this is a fascinating time in professional golf.

 
facook said:
I don't disagree necessarily, but can they do that for past Champs?  Phil, Serg, Bubba, whoever?  Lifetime exemption revoked?

If nothing else, this is a fascinating time in professional golf.
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Sure.  They banned Gary players son from the grounds for displaying a sleeve of golf balls during the ceremonial tee shot. They can do whatever they want

 
belljr said:
Sure.  They banned Gary players son from the grounds for displaying a sleeve of golf balls during the ceremonial tee shot. They can do whatever they want
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gary players son is not a past champion, why in the hell would they break tradition for the PGA tour? they have no dog in the fight and the smart thing out of Augusta would be to stick to their traditions. 

Jay saying “As a membership organization, we believe this decision is in the best interest of the PGA Tour and its players” was stupid imo, players are going to sue for sure.

Are people in here actually objecting to the LIV? if so then where is your line in the sand? These guys all wear new clothes, new hats and new shoes every round but i’m sure they are all made in places where the workers are making a living wage. i like watching and playing golf, if a drew a moral line then i would be a hypocrite and need to quit watching/playing. Nah, i’m gonna continue to torture myself

 
belljr said:
Sure.  They banned Gary players son from the grounds for displaying a sleeve of golf balls during the ceremonial tee shot. They can do whatever they want
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Seve was suspended in 1986 for not playing the minimum number of events. He played in only the 4 majors plus the European Tour schedule.

The rule back then was 15 to be a member. He played exactly that number in 1984 and 9 events in 1985. Beman suspended him. I forget how it was resolved but he played 9 events in 1987 & 1988. My recollection is the suspension was ineffective and they lifted it but not sure.

I can't see the PGA of America, Royal & Ancient, and USGA all being in lockstep with the Tours. They haven't been in the past, if players qualify they're in. ANGC is gonna ANGC but it's one Tournament  (Jack always took pains to remind people the majors are three championships and one invitational.) Everyone loves the Masters, it's #1 by far, right? But to his way of thinking it was his favorite tournament but least important major because it wasn't a championship.

 
CGRdrJoe said:
gary players son is not a past champion, why in the hell would they break tradition for the PGA tour? they have no dog in the fight and the smart thing out of Augusta would be to stick to their traditions. 

Jay saying “As a membership organization, we believe this decision is in the best interest of the PGA Tour and its players” was stupid imo, players are going to sue for sure.

Are people in here actually objecting to the LIV? if so then where is your line in the sand? These guys all wear new clothes, new hats and new shoes every round but i’m sure they are all made in places where the workers are making a living wage. i like watching and playing golf, if a drew a moral line then i would be a hypocrite and need to quit watching/playing. Nah, i’m gonna continue to torture myself
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Sports washing is not going to be stopped by Jay Monahan. Seems like a losing prop but it's his call.

People find The Public Investment Fund to be distasteful. I did too, then they bought my Premier League team (Newcastle United F.C.) They're a nasty society but I don't think this goes anywhere. Saudi's have been sports washing for a long time and that will continue unabated. 

 
CGRdrJoe said:
Jay saying “As a membership organization, we believe this decision is in the best interest of the PGA Tour and its players” was stupid imo, players are going to sue for sure.

Are people in here actually objecting to the LIV? if so then where is your line in the sand? These guys all wear new clothes, new hats and new shoes every round but i’m sure they are all made in places where the workers are making a living wage. i like watching and playing golf, if a drew a moral line then i would be a hypocrite and need to quit watching/playing. Nah, i’m gonna continue to torture myself
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That's been the PGA Tour line going back to Deane Beman as noted above.  Go ahead and sue, the Tour has plenty of lawyers.

Not sure that I'm objecting to LIV but I'm rooting against it because:

- Saudi money is only a part

- I like the PGA Tour model - not only pay for play but also the local charity angle

- LIV seems to have concentrated on recruiting players but I'm not sure they have any of the logistics worked out. Will they even have fans?

- Greg Norman is a huge narcissistic doosh who wants to feed his ego. 

- Speaking of egos, Mr. FIGJAM himself is willing to play for scary mother####ers so he can get back at the Tour (and make up for some gambling losses?)

-And Sergio can't wait to get the #### out of here

 
BobbyLayne said:
Seve was suspended in 1986 for not playing the minimum number of events. He played in only the 4 majors plus the European Tour schedule.

The rule back then was 15 to be a member. He played exactly that number in 1984 and 9 events in 1985. Beman suspended him. I forget how it was resolved but he played 9 events in 1987 & 1988. My recollection is the suspension was ineffective and they lifted it but not sure.

I can't see the PGA of America, Royal & Ancient, and USGA all being in lockstep with the Tours. They haven't been in the past, if players qualify they're in. ANGC is gonna ANGC but it's one Tournament  (Jack always took pains to remind people the majors are three championships and one invitational.) Everyone loves the Masters, it's #1 by far, right? But to his way of thinking it was his favorite tournament but least important major because it wasn't a championship.
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The 15 event rule was still in place when Rory came along in 2010 and I believe it's still in place today. (They also have some weird rule that if you play < 25 tournaments,  you have to play 1 tournament that you haven't played last 3 years)

PGA Tour will not stop you from leaving. They care that you follow Tour guidelines. They have gone to the mat legally before to back that up. 

 
If a regular PGA Tour member doesn't play in 25 or more tournaments in the immediately prior or current season AND doesn't add an event they haven't played in the prior four seasons, then that player is subject to a three-tournament suspension and a major fine of at least $20,000.
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There are a lot of exceptions as this only applies to "regular PGA Tour members."

If a regular member, meaning those who don't have lifetime membership status (having 20 PGA Tour wins and a minimum of 15 years on the PGA Tour), veteran status (being at least 45 years old in the current season) or dual PGA Tour-PGA Tour Champions membership, then they have to add an event to their schedule each season they hadn't played in the prior four seasons. Unofficial events like the Presidents Cup and Ryder Cup count toward the tournament tally, but a player needs to add a new event to their schedule, provided they plan on playing less than 25 tournaments that season.

 
JaxBill said:
That's been the PGA Tour line going back to Deane Beman as noted above.  Go ahead and sue, the Tour has plenty of lawyers.

Not sure that I'm objecting to LIV but I'm rooting against it because:

- Saudi money is only a part

- I like the PGA Tour model - not only pay for play but also the local charity angle

- LIV seems to have concentrated on recruiting players but I'm not sure they have any of the logistics worked out. Will they even have fans?

- Greg Norman is a huge narcissistic doosh who wants to feed his ego. 

- Speaking of egos, Mr. FIGJAM himself is willing to play for scary mother####ers so he can get back at the Tour (and make up for some gambling losses?)

-And Sergio can't wait to get the #### out of here
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PGA Tour China shows that the pga tour doesn’t give a #### about human rights which is the part that pisses me off. this is all about money, nothing else but the PGA tour is trying to act like it’s not. At least Phil was honest :shrug:  

Fans? i’m guessing they will draw a decent crowd as most of the locations are places the pga tour rarely visits and people will be intrigued by all the hoopla 

 
CGRdrJoe said:
gary players son is not a past champion, why in the hell would they break tradition for the PGA tour? they have no dog in the fight and the smart thing out of Augusta would be to stick to their traditions. 

Jay saying “As a membership organization, we believe this decision is in the best interest of the PGA Tour and its players” was stupid imo, players are going to sue for sure.

Are people in here actually objecting to the LIV? if so then where is your line in the sand? These guys all wear new clothes, new hats and new shoes every round but i’m sure they are all made in places where the workers are making a living wage. i like watching and playing golf, if a drew a moral line then i would be a hypocrite and need to quit watching/playing. Nah, i’m gonna continue to torture myself
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I hope the LIV fails....not because of some moral compass but because of the format and promises. It would be akin to an xfl that had billions of dollars dropping down in the middle of NFL season. Like the old usfl/NFL.  I think the PGA tour format and all is great. Sure it could have some tweaks, I've seen first hand the charity aspect.   I don't like the disruption all for a handful of tournaments for cash.    And don't get me started that the biggest cheerleader pro league and railing against the PGA made 94 million in prize money

 
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