Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
So he’s not exerting himself physically as much in college?
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3C's
Footballguy
By that logic, Kershaw didn't exert himself as much in the rehab starts at OKC as he did last night against the Giants.
Capella
Footballguy
The stress of throwing to professional hitters.
Capella
Footballguy
People can log on and say anything here.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
If you ask him, I’d bet he would say that’s correct.
General Malaise
Footballguy
He didn't have to. It was far easier to get guys at that level out. He struck out 15.3/9 last year at LSU vs 10.45 vs MLB. He was striking out guys who are waiting tables at the Bakersfield Yard House today. Do you remember when the 1987 Cowboys laid waste to the Eagles because Dallas (a non-union city) played many of their starters against Phily's (pro-union town) scabs? Cowboys exerted themselves to a 40 point victory.
Competition matters. In all sports. This isn't hard.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I can't believe this is even a debate. If you went out into your neighborhood right now you could probably throw a perfect game against a bunch of t-ball players with very little effort or stress. If a bunch of high school kids had the same game going the stress levels would go way up and the dominance level would go way down.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Again, so he’s not throwing fastballs and sliders at 100%?? Stop it
General Malaise
Footballguy
Yup, I'm convinced now. Pitching against college players is exactly the same as pitching against major league players. Congratulations, you win.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Whatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Rays trade Randy. Randy still shows up in Randy Land tonight. So cool.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
If you don't think there is a next gear in training, coaching etc as you move up levels then I dont know what to tell you.
3C's
Footballguy
For sure. Just a fun player. Was hoping he'd go to the Dodgers...but if he continues at his current pace Seattle can have him.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Whatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
If you had asked me to rank the Giants that could go for 7 HR in 8 games, he would have ranked toward the bottom of the list. Pretty wild.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
General Malaise
Footballguy
We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
General Malaise
Footballguy
You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
So you think once they get to the bigs they exert themselves more throwing fastballs? They try to throw harder then than before? Try to put more spin on the ball in pro ball than college? I don’t understandWe were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Assuming he’s facing better hitters in the bigs would be a good start. IMOI don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
ThisI don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
This will be the first and absolutely last time I ever agree with a cowboys/dodgers fanThisI don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
This will be the first and absolutely last time I ever agree with a cowboys/dodgers fanThisI don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
General Malaise
Footballguy
It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
I gave you a data point that his K/9 was 50% higher in college. What data point have you given me?
Did Skenes velocity all of a sudden jump x mph once he got to MLB? Did his breaking stuff break more? Is his stike zone efficiency better or worse?It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
I gave you a data point that his K/9 was 50% higher in college. What data point have you given me?
I am guessing that Skenes isn't all of a sudden getting more break, spin rate, velo in MLB than he did last year (other than a natural progression of strength & training improvement)
These would be the types of data that could point to increased "level of effort" between MLB and D1 performance.
I believe all of those things are essentially the same meaning he put just as much effort into pitching at each level. In other words, he wasn't holding back in college because the competition was less.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Given how confident both sides of this (kind of) dumb argument are, it makes me think you are all wrong and there’s no definitive answer.
General Malaise
Footballguy
A year ago, he was striking out guys who now work at Jiffey Lube. Almost the same as facing a MLB roster.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Did Skenes velocity all of a sudden jump x mph once he got to MLB? Did his breaking stuff break more? Is his stike zone efficiency better or worse?It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
I gave you a data point that his K/9 was 50% higher in college. What data point have you given me?
I am guessing that Skenes isn't all of a sudden getting more break, spin rate, velo in MLB than he did last year (other than a natural progression of strength & training improvement)
These would be the types of data that could point to increased "level of effort" between MLB and D1 performance.
I believe all of those things are essentially the same meaning he put just as much effort into pitching at each level. In other words, he wasn't holding back in college because the competition was less.
I think less about effort and more about stress. He has to be better with his location which makes each pitch being thrown at a higher stress level. I'll be interested to see how he adjusts once batters get a book on him.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Oh ffs …lmao .It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
I gave you a data point that his K/9 was 50% higher in college. What data point have you given me?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Oh ffs …lmao .It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
I gave you a data point that his K/9 was 50% higher in college. What data point have you given me?
Another great rebuttal from you.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Did this thread get swapped with the nba thread somehow?
Dickies
Footballguy
This was my favorite part of the Rickwood game. Didn’t hear a peep about bad umpingI'm watching Yankees v Red Stockings on Fox and THERE IS NO STRIKE ZONE BOX!
Fox baseball coverage is now.my favorite.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Your entire argument is that he struck more guys out in college than in the big leagues. No ****ing ****Oh ffs …lmao .It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
I gave you a data point that his K/9 was 50% higher in college. What data point have you given me?
Another great rebuttal from you.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Your entire argument is that he struck more guys out in college than in the big leagues. No ****ing ****Oh ffs …lmao .It matters a ton in terms of outcome but that’s not the issue. You’ve been ridiculing the position that he was putting full effort into his collegiate pitching. Maybe he was skating in college because he was so talented, I have no idea. But it’s not an absurd suggestion to say, at least in the abstract, that a college pitcher was throwing with max effort to do all he could to win and to impress pro scouts in the process.You’re actively avoiding responding to direct questions so I’ll drop it.Is it ridiculous to think he was giving max effort in college and just having better results because the level of competition is lower?I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's suggesting that the pitcher was using max effort to pitch to guys at the D1 level when the pitcher was also in college and it's the max effort, not skill level of either the pitcher or the hitter, that taxes the arm the most. That seems plausible to me. I doubt the pitcher would be like, "This is just college, I'm going to give 80% now and save my full effort for the MLB."We were discussing stress on a pitchers arm in college vs pro ballWhatever you say dude….
That’s not what I said, it’s obvious to everyone except you…
What did you say then, dude?
And some of us think there is a cavernous difference between pitching to boys in college vs men on a major league roster. You don't, I do.
His K rate in college was 50% higher than it is in the Bigs. Do with that data what you will.
I believe the competition levels matter more than you.
I'm wrong a lot so I'm fine letting this go but I'm convinced the sledding for Skenes is a lot more difficult and that degree of difficulty matters more to me than you.
I gave you a data point that his K/9 was 50% higher in college. What data point have you given me?
Another great rebuttal from you.
BECAUSE IT WAS ****ING EASIER TO STRIKE GUYS OUT WHO NOW WORK AT A TANNING SALON, JESUS THIS ISNT HARD!
The Gator
Footballguy
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