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***Official 2024 Pro Cycling Thread*** - The road ends in Spain. Guaranteed Crazy Ending. (2 Viewers)

BobbyLayne said:
This dude should go to jail
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wish granted

"He spent a very drunken afternoon": the spectator who threw potato chips at Pogacar taken into custody

INFO LE PARISIEN. The young man who threw potato chips at Pogacar and Vingegaard was arrested by the gendarmes and placed in police custody for aggravated violence. After a night in the drunk tank, he will be questioned this Sunday.

It was a great afternoon for the Tour de France, with lots of festivities, meeting new people and cycling enthusiasts, until that stupid gesture."

Alexis, in his thirties and originally from Brittany, was located very close to the arch indicating the finish two kilometers into this Saturday's stage, which ended in Saint-Lary-Soulan Pla d'Adet (Hautes-Pyrénnées).

Except that his day of festivities with his two buddies was slightly tarnished by the gesture of the spectator opposite him on the other side of the road. This other young man, born in 1992, with whom he had made friends in the afternoon, deliberately threw potato chips in the faces of Tadej Pogacar (UAE Emirates) and Jonas Vingegaard (Visma Lease a bike), as they passed in front of him. He was taken into police custody for aggravated assault and will be heard this Sunday.

He was unable to be taken into custody the day before, pending his sobering-up.

The image was captured by the television cameras following the two champions and quickly made the rounds on social networks, outraging many Internet users.

The CPA, the riders' union, announced via its president, Adam Hamsem, that it would take legal action against the author of this gesture. At the finish, Vingegaard, the two-time title-holder, said he couldn't "understand those who go to a bike race to throw potato chips".

Arrested by a policeman who saw the scene

This lack of understanding is also shared by Alexis, who realized after the riders had passed that he had immortalized the moment in a series of photos. Before seeing the outrage on social networks.

"He was with a bunch of very nice friends, cycling fans like us. We got to know each other well, talked about everything, cycling, Brittany and played shuffleboard," says the young man. But it was a very drunken afternoon".

According to Alexis, a nearby gendarme who saw the scene intervened immediately after the gesture against the Visma leader. Bob on his head, shirtless, and flying the flag for Brittany, he only saw these two riders at most.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
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Carapaz awarded most combative rider

Situation​

 
BobbyLayne said:
@CyclingGraphs

Pogačar did 6.85 ᵉW/Kg for 27:50 min. For sea level normalised, it is 7.16 ᵉW/Kg. It is possibly the UAE superstar’s greatest climbing performance of all time and maybe the best in the 21st century.
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until today
 
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Power performance for POGAČAR Tadej (UAE Team Emirates) on Plateau de Beille.

7.8%
15.8 km

1235 mtr

weight
Rider66
Bike6.8
Kit0.9
Bottles0.3
total74.0

ROLLING
19
+
DRAG
52
+
CLIMBING
374
+
MECHANICAL
9
=
454 watt

The estimated average power output was 454 watt for 39:50 minutes (23.8 km/h), which equals 6.9 watt per kilogram body weight.
 
General classification after stage 15 and time won or lost in the classification.

RNK.+/-RIDERTEAMTIMETIME WON/LOST
1-POGAČAR TadejUAD61:56:24-
2-VINGEGAARD JonasTVL3:09▼1:12
3-EVENEPOEL RemcoSOQ5:19▼2:57
4-ALMEIDA JoãoUAD10:54▼4:53
5▲1LANDA MikelSOQ11:21▼4:04
6▼1RODRÍGUEZ CarlosIGD11:27▼5:18
7-YATES AdamUAD13:38▼5:06
8-CICCONE GiulioLTK15:48▼6:39
9-GEE DerekIPT16:12▼6:39
10▲2BUITRAGO SantiagoTBV16:32▼5:18

Most stage wins in grand tours by active riders.

#RIDERWINSGIROTOURVUELTA
1CAVENDISH Mark5517353
2POGAČAR Tadej236143
3ROGLIČ Primož194312
4FROOME Chris14275
5DEGENKOLB John121110
6EWAN Caleb11551
7PHILIPSEN Jasper11-83
8YATES Simon10622
9BENNETT Sam10325
10DÉMARE Arnaud1082-
11MATTHEWS Michael10343
12VAN AERT Wout9-9-
13CORT Magnus9126
14VIVIANI Elia9513
15GANNA Filippo87-1
16TRENTIN Matteo8134
17QUINTANA Nairo8332
18ALAPHILIPPE Julian8161
19ULISSI Diego88--
20EVENEPOEL Remco8215
 
BobbyLayne said:
Power performance for POGAČAR Tadej (UAE Team Emirates) on Plateau de Beille.

7.8%
15.8 km

1235 mtr

weight
Rider66
Bike6.8
Kit0.9
Bottles0.3
total74.0

ROLLING
19
+
DRAG
52
+
CLIMBING
374
+
MECHANICAL
9
=
454 watt

The estimated average power output was 454 watt for 39:50 minutes (23.8 km/h), which equals 6.9 watt per kilogram body weight.
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I think the 6.9 is a little bunky. Both Jorgenson and Jonas were probably going 6.6 to 6.8 when they were on the front which means he was probably 6.3-6.6ish for at least half of the climb. I do think he was 6.9 after leaving Jonas, but a 6.6-6.7 average is different than 6.9. It also looked like Tadej was riding a power number once free of Jonas until the last 500m or so.

Tadej also made not of how much effort the team put in getting him food and cooling him off which I guess means they’re learning. The two Alps stages should be very hot stages, so I hope Jumbo try again. If not, I hope next year they keep both is bubble wrap until the Tour.
 
Sammy3469 said:
That was supersonic…of course he had the best lead out possible, but he smashed Patani’s time there.
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What’s crazy is Jonas rode the 2nd fastest ever, also beating Patani.

Pogačar set a new climbing record on Plateau de Beille, beating Marco Pantani’s 1998 effort by 3 minutes and 44 seconds. Pogačar did not have the perfect conditions as it was a headwind, but his performance was the greatest in cycling history. Pantani had a 6.96-kilogramaluminium bike but had higher CdA and rolling resistance than Pogačar, but on an 8% climb aerodynamics, whilst important, are not the most crucial thing. It is watts that are the most important like Pogačar said earlier this Tour, and the UAE superstar had perhaps the strongest legs any cyclist has ever had.

Pogačar did 6.98 ᵉW/Kg for 39:50 min, which is by far the greatest climbing performance ever, taking into account conditions and the stage difficulty. Sea normalised power for this historic effort is 7.27 ᵉW/Kg. Pogačar’s adjusted altitude score was 696, which means this performance was equivalent to pushing 6.96 ᵉW/Kg for 60 minutes at sea level. Jonas Vingegaard, despite losing 68 seconds did the second-greatest climbing performance of all time. The Dane did 6.85 ᵉW/Kg for 40:58 min. His altitude score was the second highest in history with 685. Until today, Marco Pantani’s Alpe d’Huez in 1997 was the best in history. Remco Evenepoel lost 2:51 min on a climb to Pogačar, but his performance still was the 23rd best of all-time as he pushed 6.53 ᵉW/Kg for 42:41, which for sea level normalised is 6.81 ᵉW/Kg. Evenepoel’s performance still is the third best in the 21st century. Pogačar’s Stage 14 effort on Pla d’Adet is the fourth best.
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Greatest Climbing Performances Of All-Time on Plateau de Beille | Tour de France 2024 Stage 15
 
BobbyLayne said:
Sammy3469 said:
That was supersonic…of course he had the best lead out possible, but he smashed Patani’s time there.
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What’s crazy is Jonas rode the 2nd fastest ever, also beating Patani.

Pogačar set a new climbing record on Plateau de Beille, beating Marco Pantani’s 1998 effort by 3 minutes and 44 seconds. Pogačar did not have the perfect conditions as it was a headwind, but his performance was the greatest in cycling history. Pantani had a 6.96-kilogramaluminium bike but had higher CdA and rolling resistance than Pogačar, but on an 8% climb aerodynamics, whilst important, are not the most crucial thing. It is watts that are the most important like Pogačar said earlier this Tour, and the UAE superstar had perhaps the strongest legs any cyclist has ever had.

Pogačar did 6.98 ᵉW/Kg for 39:50 min, which is by far the greatest climbing performance ever, taking into account conditions and the stage difficulty. Sea normalised power for this historic effort is 7.27 ᵉW/Kg. Pogačar’s adjusted altitude score was 696, which means this performance was equivalent to pushing 6.96 ᵉW/Kg for 60 minutes at sea level. Jonas Vingegaard, despite losing 68 seconds did the second-greatest climbing performance of all time. The Dane did 6.85 ᵉW/Kg for 40:58 min. His altitude score was the second highest in history with 685. Until today, Marco Pantani’s Alpe d’Huez in 1997 was the best in history. Remco Evenepoel lost 2:51 min on a climb to Pogačar, but his performance still was the 23rd best of all-time as he pushed 6.53 ᵉW/Kg for 42:41, which for sea level normalised is 6.81 ᵉW/Kg. Evenepoel’s performance still is the third best in the 21st century. Pogačar’s Stage 14 effort on Pla d’Adet is the fourth best.
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Greatest Climbing Performances Of All-Time on Plateau de Beille | Tour de France 2024 Stage 15
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Yates said he was going 480 watts following Jorgenson. I wouldn't be surprised if the 6.96 is low (that's a 460 watt average for 66 kg).

It also sounded like (from both Yates and a little bit of Tadej's interviews), that Jumbo almost had them (i.e. Almieda can't do 480 which is why he pulled off at the bottom and probably rode 460 up). I hope they try again on stage 20. Should be a much hotter day (Tadej said they were very vigilant about cooling and feeding him), so maybe they can get numbers down early and make it a race.
 
Sammy3469 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Sammy3469 said:
That was supersonic…of course he had the best lead out possible, but he smashed Patani’s time there.
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What’s crazy is Jonas rode the 2nd fastest ever, also beating Patani.

Pogačar set a new climbing record on Plateau de Beille, beating Marco Pantani’s 1998 effort by 3 minutes and 44 seconds. Pogačar did not have the perfect conditions as it was a headwind, but his performance was the greatest in cycling history. Pantani had a 6.96-kilogramaluminium bike but had higher CdA and rolling resistance than Pogačar, but on an 8% climb aerodynamics, whilst important, are not the most crucial thing. It is watts that are the most important like Pogačar said earlier this Tour, and the UAE superstar had perhaps the strongest legs any cyclist has ever had.

Pogačar did 6.98 ᵉW/Kg for 39:50 min, which is by far the greatest climbing performance ever, taking into account conditions and the stage difficulty. Sea normalised power for this historic effort is 7.27 ᵉW/Kg. Pogačar’s adjusted altitude score was 696, which means this performance was equivalent to pushing 6.96 ᵉW/Kg for 60 minutes at sea level. Jonas Vingegaard, despite losing 68 seconds did the second-greatest climbing performance of all time. The Dane did 6.85 ᵉW/Kg for 40:58 min. His altitude score was the second highest in history with 685. Until today, Marco Pantani’s Alpe d’Huez in 1997 was the best in history. Remco Evenepoel lost 2:51 min on a climb to Pogačar, but his performance still was the 23rd best of all-time as he pushed 6.53 ᵉW/Kg for 42:41, which for sea level normalised is 6.81 ᵉW/Kg. Evenepoel’s performance still is the third best in the 21st century. Pogačar’s Stage 14 effort on Pla d’Adet is the fourth best.
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Greatest Climbing Performances Of All-Time on Plateau de Beille | Tour de France 2024 Stage 15
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Yates said he was going 480 watts following Jorgenson. I wouldn't be surprised if the 6.96 is low (that's a 460 watt average for 66 kg).

It also sounded like (from both Yates and a little bit of Tadej's interviews), that Jumbo almost had them (i.e. Almieda can't do 480 which is why he pulled off at the bottom and probably rode 460 up). I hope they try again on stage 20. Should be a much hotter day (Tadej said they were very vigilant about cooling and feeding him), so maybe they can get numbers down early and make it a race.
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Jonas said post race that he rode one of the best stages of his life and lost a minute. Said he honestly can’t be disappointed, Tadej was just better.

Remco had a historically great day but for his first TdF he’s more focused on beating Almeida (for podium) & Rodriguez (for the White jersey.) Landa has been a massive asset for him but have to give him credit. He’s clearly the best of the rest.

Pogačar might have a bad day and lose the TdF - we’ve seen it in past Tours - but it’s difficult to see another way for Vingegaard to overcome the deficit and win it.

Pretty awesome time to be a cycling fan.
 
Sammy3469 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Sammy3469 said:
That was supersonic…of course he had the best lead out possible, but he smashed Patani’s time there.
Click to expand...

What’s crazy is Jonas rode the 2nd fastest ever, also beating Patani.

Pogačar set a new climbing record on Plateau de Beille, beating Marco Pantani’s 1998 effort by 3 minutes and 44 seconds. Pogačar did not have the perfect conditions as it was a headwind, but his performance was the greatest in cycling history. Pantani had a 6.96-kilogramaluminium bike but had higher CdA and rolling resistance than Pogačar, but on an 8% climb aerodynamics, whilst important, are not the most crucial thing. It is watts that are the most important like Pogačar said earlier this Tour, and the UAE superstar had perhaps the strongest legs any cyclist has ever had.

Pogačar did 6.98 ᵉW/Kg for 39:50 min, which is by far the greatest climbing performance ever, taking into account conditions and the stage difficulty. Sea normalised power for this historic effort is 7.27 ᵉW/Kg. Pogačar’s adjusted altitude score was 696, which means this performance was equivalent to pushing 6.96 ᵉW/Kg for 60 minutes at sea level. Jonas Vingegaard, despite losing 68 seconds did the second-greatest climbing performance of all time. The Dane did 6.85 ᵉW/Kg for 40:58 min. His altitude score was the second highest in history with 685. Until today, Marco Pantani’s Alpe d’Huez in 1997 was the best in history. Remco Evenepoel lost 2:51 min on a climb to Pogačar, but his performance still was the 23rd best of all-time as he pushed 6.53 ᵉW/Kg for 42:41, which for sea level normalised is 6.81 ᵉW/Kg. Evenepoel’s performance still is the third best in the 21st century. Pogačar’s Stage 14 effort on Pla d’Adet is the fourth best.
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Greatest Climbing Performances Of All-Time on Plateau de Beille | Tour de France 2024 Stage 15
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Yates said he was going 480 watts following Jorgenson. I wouldn't be surprised if the 6.96 is low (that's a 460 watt average for 66 kg).

It also sounded like (from both Yates and a little bit of Tadej's interviews), that Jumbo almost had them (i.e. Almieda can't do 480 which is why he pulled off at the bottom and probably rode 460 up). I hope they try again on stage 20. Should be a much hotter day (Tadej said they were very vigilant about cooling and feeding him), so maybe they can get numbers down early and make it a race.
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I believe they were riding into a head wind. Jorgenson didn't have a power meter so he probably rode too hot and blew early.
 
BassNBrew said:
I believe they were riding into a head wind. Jorgenson didn't have a power meter so he probably rode too hot and blew early.
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I don’t know, felt like Mateo did what he was there to do - push the climb hard enough to isolate the big 3 from the pretenders. Ended up with 6 in the group - Tadej, Jonas, & Remco, with Adam Yates, Jorgensen and Labda alongside. Top 3 + the top climber for each one. That was perfect.

From there it was up to Vingegaard v Pogačar.
 
BobbyLayne said:
BassNBrew said:
I believe they were riding into a head wind. Jorgenson didn't have a power meter so he probably rode too hot and blew early.
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I don’t know, felt like Mateo did what he was there to do - push the climb hard enough to isolate the big 3 from the pretenders. Ended up with 6 in the group - Tadej, Jonas, & Remco, with Adam Yates, Jorgensen and Labda alongside. Top 3 + the top climber for each one. That was perfect.

From there it was up to Vingegaard v Pogačar.
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Mateo was awesome. He weighs 65 kg, Yates is 58 kg. If we believe Yates when he says he was at 480 watts, that's 8.28 w/kg. That also means Meteo was at 8.28 x 65 = 538 watts. If you take into account wind you are somewhere between 550 and 600 watts. Mateo isn't 20% better than Yates. I think the plan was to whittle down the riders, but to do it over a longer period of time.
 
RnkRiderUCIPntTime
DNSVAN GILS Maxim Lotto Dstny-
DNSHARPER ChrisTeam Jayco AlUla

Dropouts in Tour de France by reason.

#REASON#DROPOUTS
1Illness7
2Crash consequences5
3OTL5
4COVID-195
5Fitness level4

Boerum Hill Big Ringing:
  • PEDERSEN, Mads (Sprinter), crash consequences, Stage 8
  • VLASOV, Aleksandr (Climber), crash consequences , Stage 9
  • BILBAO, Pello (All Arounder), illness, Stage 11
  • VAN GILS, Maxim (Unclassified), Covid, Stage 15
I still have 5 riders left!
 
Departure today is from Gruissanand arrival in Nîmes.

4th flattest stage of this year’s Tour, Sprinters last chance at glory. Essentially a 188.6 km dash across the southwest of France from the Pyrenees toward the Alps.

The average speed after stage 15 compared to the last 10 editions.

SEASONAVG. SPEEDKM
202442.6382641
202341.7242611
202242.5812554
202141.7072591
202040.3622648
201941.052504
201840.572549
201741.22664
201639.7332712
201540.9092454
201441.2412756
201341.9642568
201240.2292758
201140.4072643
201040.0292916
200940.7832582
200841.1852634
200739.3642750
200641.5512867
200541.6222588

The timegaps for the 2nd, 10th and last rider in the general classification after 15 stages.

YEARTIMEGAP #2TIMEGAP #10TIMEGAP LAST RIDER
20243:0916:324:21:11
20230:1014:184:45:31
20222:229:584:06:54
20215:1810:593:46:14
20200:405:124:43:19
20191:355:333:14:56
20181:396:542:54:14
20170:186:053:24:19
20161:475:163:26:14
20153:108:533:14:49
20144:3710:484:13:17
20134:147:582:46:52
20122:058:512:47:29
20111:496:182:43:07
20100:087:513:27:07
20091:373:253:02:10
20080:074:342:42:15
20072:239:213:04:58
20060:106:202:23:26
20052:4612:013:33:05
 
Riders leading the GC after 15 stages of Tour de France that didn't win the final GC since 2000.

YEARRIDER
2020ROGLIČ Primož
2019ALAPHILIPPE Julian
2011VOECKLER Thomas
2008SCHLECK Fränk

The point gap with the runner-up in the points classification after 15 stages.

YEARPOINT GAPLEADERRUNNER-UP
202486GIRMAYPHILIPSEN
2023144PHILIPSENPEDERSEN
2022196VAN AERTPOGAČAR
202172CAVENDISHMATTHEWS
202045BENNETTSAGAN
201993SAGANCOLBRELLI
2018282SAGANKRISTOFF
201779KITTELMATTHEWS
201662SAGANCAVENDISH
201544SAGANGREIPEL
2014176SAGANCOQUARD
201399SAGANCAVENDISH
201297SAGANGREIPEL
201137CAVENDISHROJAS
20102PETACCHIHUSHOVD
200918HUSHOVDCAVENDISH
200847FREIREHUSHOVD
200720BOONENHUNTER
200630MCEWENBOONEN
200514HUSHOVDO'GRADY

Dropouts per edition after 15 stages. (we were at historic lows after 10 stages but have quickly caught up to the 10 year average.)
  • 2004 31
  • 2005 31
  • 2006 24
  • 2007 26
  • 2008 27
  • 2009 17
  • 2010 23
  • 2011 28
  • 2012 42
  • 2013 16
  • 2014 27
  • 2015 26
  • 2016 15
  • 2017 22
  • 2018 25
  • 2019 12
  • 2020 20
  • 2021 37
  • 2022 24
  • 2023 19
  • 2024 24


 
On this day in TdF history…

On July the 16th 1978 the Belgian rider Michel Pollentier won what should have been one of the most iconic stages of his impressive cycling career. Donned in the polka dot jersey as leader in the KOM-classification he won the queens stage of that year's Tour de France on top of the Alpe d'Huez .

But, at the anti-doping control after the stage medical examiner Alain Calvez found a very nervous Pollentier. "That's why I searched Pollentier, and at that moment I found a tube, which I pulled on. I also found a rubber 'pear' under his armpit that he could use to squeeze urine into the bottle through the tube."

Pollentier was disqualified and the stage was 'won' by Hennie Kuiper. From then on Michiel Pollentier had a new nickname: 'Peerke Pollentier'.

Later teammate Freddy Maertens told that it was not a 'pear' under his arm, but a rectally inserted condom...

:lmao:
 
Bummer

Stage results.

RNK.RIDERTEAMTIME
1PHILIPSEN JasperAlpecin - Deceuninck4:11:27
2BAUHAUS PhilBahrain - Victorious0:00
3KRISTOFF AlexanderUno-X Mobility0:00
4BENNETT SamDecathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team0:00
5VAN AERT WoutTeam Visma | Lease a Bike0:00
6ACKERMANN PascalIsrael - Premier Tech0:00
7COQUARD BryanCofidis0:00
8WÆRENSKJOLD SørenUno-X Mobility0:00
9GIBBONS RyanLidl - Trek0:00
10VAN POPPEL DannyRed Bull - BORA - hansgrohe0:00

Sprint | Les Matellettes (96.1 km)​

#RiderTeamPoints
1COQUARD BryanCofidis20
2PHILIPSEN JasperAlpecin - Deceuninck17
3TURGIS AnthonyTotalEnergies15
4GIRMAY BiniamIntermarché - Wanty13
5DE LIE ArnaudLotto Dstny11
6TEUNISSEN MikeIntermarché - Wanty10
7GAVIRIA FernandoMovistar Team9
8REX LaurenzIntermarché - Wanty8
9VAN DER POEL MathieuAlpecin - Deceuninck7
10FUGLSANG JakobIsrael - Premier Tech6
 
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