**** Official Aaron Rodgers injury thread ***** (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

 

[towney]

Rotoworld:

Speaking after Thursday's practice, Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) said he has a "pretty good sense" of whether he's going to gain medical clearance on Friday.

That would suggest Rodgers doesn't expect to get cleared, as Matt Flynn took the first-team reps in Thursday's practice. However, Rodgers added that he's "made a lot of strides," and "completed about every pass in practice." It appears there's some internal wrangling over whether or not Rodgers should suit up against the Steelers. We'll know the team's decision after Friday's scan.


Source: Tom Silverstein on Twitter

Here's my thought. Doesn't matter how he feels or how he throws, bottom line is risk of injury to the collarbone. Sounds to me the collarbone is not fully healed and there is concern of further injury. Side of caution here is warranted.

 

[Interseptopus]

I hope he is out. Makes my decision easy

 

[ghostguy123]

I hope he is out. Makes my decision easy

I think the decision would be easy anyway if you have another top 10 guy. I would think there would be some element of rust.

 

[Interseptopus]

I hope he is out. Makes my decision easy

I think the decision would be easy anyway if you have another top 10 guy. I would think there would be some element of rust.

True. I concluded even with a healthy Rodgers I'm going with Rivers

Even if he comes back, you can't think he's going to throw throw throw. Maybe 2 TDs but you'll see a heavy dose of Lacy.

 

[gethugefast1]

he's not playing...

 

[Sabertooth]

It's clear that he wants to play and the medical staff is just being overly cautious - it's like putting your 9 year old in tackle football - is there a chance he gets hurt sure but its risk/reward.

Anything you do in life is a risk. Jordy Nelson could get concussed on every play doesn't mean you don't play him. There is no higher level of risk playing Rodgers now than there will be playing him in september.

Bottom line get him out there.

you have lost a ton of credulity in this thread for me with your petty whining.

 

[flapgreen]

Smart move, Erin.

 

[ghostguy123]

I hope he is out. Makes my decision easy

I think the decision would be easy anyway if you have another top 10 guy. I would think there would be some element of rust.

True. I concluded even with a healthy Rodgers I'm going with Rivers

Even if he comes back, you can't think he's going to throw throw throw. Maybe 2 TDs but you'll see a heavy dose of Lacy.

If he plays he coulda very well blow up with 350 and 3-4 TDs. Just given the layoff I woud go another route if I had a good option.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's clear that he wants to play and the medical staff is just being overly cautious - it's like putting your 9 year old in tackle football - is there a chance he gets hurt sure but its risk/reward.

Anything you do in life is a risk. Jordy Nelson could get concussed on every play doesn't mean you don't play him. There is no higher level of risk playing Rodgers now than there will be playing him in september.

Bottom line get him out there.

you have lost a ton of credulity in this thread for me with your petty whining.

Not to mention his assessment of risk is proven to be wrong. No higher level of risk huh??

Not sure I have seen a statement on FBG that has even been so incorrect.

 

[towney]

This morning.. Looks like the collarbone has not healed.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Packers don't expect Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) to play this week unless "something significantly changes with the doctor."
Rodgers has yet to gain medical clearance, and it doesn't sound like he will in time to make the start against the Steelers on Sunday. Even though the Packers can clinch a playoff spot this week, they aren't letting those issues rush their franchise player's return. Fantasy owners that had been holding out hope for a Rodgers return need to plan to keep rolling with whomever they've been starting the past month-and-a-half. It sounds like Matt Flynn is going to get the Week 16 nod. The Packers will make an official announcement at some point Friday.

 

[Milkman]

You know you guys could have just listened to water about 5 pages back and you wouldn't have had to go through this emotional rollercoaster every week.

Cheers!

 

[ghostguy123]

Wait a sec. Did a couple posts up say the Packers can clinch a playoff spot with a win this week??? Call me crazy, but that sure seems wrong.

Pretty sure they have to win the last 2 to get in. Kinda only makes sense since.

Doesnt matter for fantasy purposes I guess.

He aint playin this week so thread be dead

 

[Insein]

Wait a sec. Did a couple posts up say the Packers can clinch a playoff spot with a win this week??? Call me crazy, but that sure seems wrong.

Pretty sure they have to win the last 2 to get in. Kinda only makes sense since.

Doesnt matter for fantasy purposes I guess.

He aint playin this week so thread be dead

Yes that's wrong. Bears have 1 more win than them right now. Packers have to win 2 (week 17 against the Bears) to guarantee it.

 

[General Tso]

Not trying to start another war, but I stumbled upon this article that I thought was interesting. Dr. David Chao (no relation), the former team physician for the San Diego Chargers, implies that at some point in the process this is not entirely a medical decision, but also a balance between risk and reward. Here's some quotes:

The idea of a magic threshold whereby the Packers doctor declares the bone completely healed is a fallacy. In fact, bones continue to heal and remodel for at least six months. If one could guarantee Rodgers would not be hit, he could have played weeks ago.

The doctor’s clearance isn’t based solely on the x-ray or CT scan findings. It is a balance of risk (re-injury) and reward (playing). It also involves balancing the patient’s desires with an informed consent of the risks. This is why being a good team physician is an art, not a strict science.

What happens if Rodgers returns and re-injures and displaces the fracture? Based on my experience, surgery would be required with a minimum of three months recovery. The good news is that there would not be any significant anticipated long-term health or functional issues after recovery.

The Packers medical staff has done a good job of being conservative and protecting Aaron Rodgers by holding him out for five weeks. I am in no way second-guessing their decision. Based on my NFL medical experience (I have not seen film or examined Rodgers), I feel that the timetable is ripe for his full return based on the risk/reward equation and informed consent.

This article was written 11 days ago on December 9th. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Monday-Morning-MD-5623.html

 

[iamkoza]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Packers don't expect Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) to play this week unless "something significantly changes with the doctor."

this "report" reeks of no sources and shefter just stating the obvious based on what has been presented to the media this week.... weak sauce

 

[Smack Tripper]

I see the snow forecast is diminished... projects for Rodgers on Sunday? Im thinking 280 and 2 TDs?

 

[iamkoza]

I see the snow forecast is diminished... projects for Rodgers on Sunday? Im thinking 280 and 2 TDs?

0-0-0, he's not playing... mccarthy's "optimisitc" quotes from Thursday are probably a veiled shot at the team doctor essentially saying... WTF I need my QB back, he looks great, let him play already

 

[ghostguy123]

General, we all know that rodgers could have played weeks ago and played perfectly fine. Problem is, one hit and he breaks it again. That hit is inevitable, even moreso since the defense will make sure he hits the ground.

When not fully healed, the risk of rebreaking the clavicle is enormously higher than usual, to the point where in an NFL game its pretty much inevitable.

They can muddle along now and maybe win, but it will be impossible for this team to go far without rodgers, which is why playing him now is dumb when he will just rebreak it. And when he does, super bowl chances go to zero whether they make the playoffs or not.

At least the games they are playing now they have a chance to win without him.

Will it cause them to miss the playoffs?? Yeah maybe. A chance I am definitely willing to take to keep my super bowl hopes alive.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I see the snow forecast is diminished... projects for Rodgers on Sunday? Im thinking 280 and 2 TDs?

0-0-0, he's not playing... mccarthy's "optimisitc" quotes from Thursday are probably a veiled shot at the team doctor essentially saying... WTF I need my QB back, he looks great, let him play already

So....no INT's, which is nice

 

[Faust]

Aaron Rodgers clearance would be a surpriseBy Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

We'll likely know in a few short hours if Aaron Rodgers will play Sunday, but the tea leaves point to another week on the bench.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport noted Friday that no one he's talked with believes the Green Bay Packers quarterback will be medically cleared to start Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

A green light for Rodgers would be a "surprise," Rapoport tweeted, one day after the passer did some quarterback-center exchange work with practice squad center Garth Gerhart while Matt Flynn and Scott Tolzien worked with the first team.

Mike McCarthy, scheduled to meet with reporters Friday, said Thursday that Rodgers looked sharp and ready to play. It's clear the coach would love to have general manager Ted Thompson and team physician Patrick McKenzie flip the switch for a game that will help decide whether or not the Packers venture into January play.

Sidelined since suffering a fractured collarbone against the Chicago Bears last month, Rodgers has been nothing more than a limited participant in recent practices. Barring something stunning out of Green Bay, Packers fans are in for another generous helping of Flynn on Sunday.

We examine coaches on the hot seat and chat with Packers guard Josh Sitton on the latest "Around The League Podcast."

 

[sho nuff]

Flynn got the #1s and Tolzien the #2 reps in the part of practice open to reporters again today.

Official word around 12:25 from McCarthy coming.

 

[General Tso]

General, we all know that rodgers could have played weeks ago and played perfectly fine. Problem is, one hit and he breaks it again. That hit is inevitable, even moreso since the defense will make sure he hits the ground.

When not fully healed, the risk of rebreaking the clavicle is enormously higher than usual, to the point where in an NFL game its pretty much inevitable.

They can muddle along now and maybe win, but it will be impossible for this team to go far without rodgers, which is why playing him now is dumb when he will just rebreak it. And when he does, super bowl chances go to zero whether they make the playoffs or not.

At least the games they are playing now they have a chance to win without him.

Will it cause them to miss the playoffs?? Yeah maybe. A chance I am definitely willing to take to keep my super bowl hopes alive.

I may not agree with the decision, but I'll say this - I do respect their apparent concern for the long term health of their players. They are consistent and they don't cave to short term pressures. And I'm sure they have been very tempted, especially with the way things have played out with their fate now in their own hands. Hopefully it works out for them. It would be a great storyline if they make the playoffs and Rodgers returns.

 

[ghostguy123]

General, I actually think this decision is much better for their team in the SHORT term also. By short term I mean this season, and going as far as possible.

If Rodgers got hurt this week or next (which is incredibly more likely than before he is fully healed) they have no chance at a super bowl.

They dont exactly play a great team this week, and are at home. They CAN win. They can even beat chicago with a little luck.

They are not going to beat Seattle, San Fran, New Orleans, or Carolina.

 

[Braktastic]

Flynn got the #1s and Tolzien the #2 reps in the part of practice open to reporters again today.

Official word around 12:25 from McCarthy coming.

Aaron Rodgers - QB - Packers


Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) "had his helmet on but was off to the side" as the Packers opened Friday's practice.

Matt Flynn took the first-team reps and is on track to make his fourth straight start. Beat writers have consistently observed Rodgers "throwing well," but team Dr. Pat McKenzie has not cleared him to play in football games. The Packers have won back-to-back games by one point. They're going to need to keep inching out victories for Rodgers' status to remain relevant.

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Dec 20 - 1:11 PM

But Rodgers had his helmet on... How laughable this all is. I wonder if McCarthy has Rodgers wear his helmet during his radio show too. Look, Rodgers isn't playing this week and, consequently, the Packers aren't winning this week. And thank God for it so the Aaron "So You're Saying There's a Chance in 2013" Rodgers charade will end.

 

[sho nuff]

Flynn got the #1s and Tolzien the #2 reps in the part of practice open to reporters again today.

Official word around 12:25 from McCarthy coming.

Aaron Rodgers - QB - Packers


Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) "had his helmet on but was off to the side" as the Packers opened Friday's practice.

Matt Flynn took the first-team reps and is on track to make his fourth straight start. Beat writers have consistently observed Rodgers "throwing well," but team Dr. Pat McKenzie has not cleared him to play in football games. The Packers have won back-to-back games by one point. They're going to need to keep inching out victories for Rodgers' status to remain relevant.

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Dec 20 - 1:11 PM

But Rodgers had his helmet on... How laughable this all is. I wonder if McCarthy has Rodgers wear his helmet during his radio show too. Look, Rodgers isn't playing this week and, consequently, the Packers aren't winning this week. And thank God for it so the Aaron "So You're Saying There's a Chance in 2013" Rodgers charade will end.

Like there won't be another installment next week.

Though, not as big with most FF being done.

 

[sho nuff]

No surprise.

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne

37s
Aaron Rodgers ruled OUT again. #packers

 

[Interseptopus]

Makes my life easier. Bye Rodgers, it was fun having you on my roster for 4 weeks...

 

[Phenix]

So why didnt they IR him?

 

[Interseptopus]

So why didnt they IR him?

Because they don't play fantasy football; their season doesn't end week 16. They still have one game left and if they win this week they are still in the playoff runAlso, no one can predict how fast he would heal. He could have been back last week or this week if the break wasn't complicated and healed easily. Why would you IR your best player even if there's a chance you could get him back

 

[LawFitz]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

 

[Interseptopus]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

 

[need2know]

Sucks as a jordy nelson owner....

 

[sho nuff]

So why didnt they IR him?

Why would they?

 

[towney]

I'm I the only one who has any trust in Flynn, come on Packer fans.

 

[CalBear]

I'm I the only one who has any trust in Flynn, come on Packer fans.

Flynn seems like a pretty good backup. 3-3-1 career record as a starter, 63% completions, 7.4 Y/A, 16 TD, 9 INT. He just won two games while completing 70% of his passes for 5 TDs and 2 INTs. He's not Rodgers but it's certainly plausible he'd beat Pittsburgh at home. Green Bay is favored by 2.5-3 in places that have the line posted.

 

[LawFitz]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

Looks like I have my first official message board stalker. My apologies to the rest of this forum for inciting this clown.

 

[ImTheScientist]

:IBTL:

Fantasy owners with Rodgers.....fantasy season is over.

 

[Interseptopus]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

Looks like I have my first official message board stalker. My apologies to the rest of this forum for inciting this clown.

Don't flatter yourself

 

[ghostguy123]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

I still don' get why people are calling this "uber conservative".

Not only does it make sense in the longrun this year to wait till he is fully healed so he doesnt just break it again and miss the rest of the season for sure, but every other team in the league would have him inactive till he is cleared. EVERY team, EVERY time, with THIS injury.

 

[LawFitz]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

I still don' get why people are calling this "uber conservative".

Not only does it make sense in the longrun this year to wait till he is fully healed so he doesnt just break it again and miss the rest of the season for sure, but every other team in the league would have him inactive till he is cleared. EVERY team, EVERY time, with THIS injury.

I'm not convinced every other team wouldn't have cleared him with the playoffs on the line. Whether it's uber conservative, conservative or just course par, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that they are being safe with their most important player by far. And no one should argue against that.

 

[LawFitz]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

Looks like I have my first official message board stalker. My apologies to the rest of this forum for inciting this clown.

Don't flatter yourself

Look at your sig and your series of antagonizing posts the last few weeks. You're an obsessed child and a wannabe bully. Do us all a favor and put me on ignore if you absolutely can't resist your inner troll. Otherwise don't respond to my posts and I won't to yours.

 

[Interseptopus]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

Looks like I have my first official message board stalker. My apologies to the rest of this forum for inciting this clown.

Don't flatter yourself

Look at your sig and your series of antagonizing posts the last few weeks. You're an obsessed child and a wannabe bully. Do us all a favor and put me on ignore if you absolutely can't resist your inner troll. Otherwise don't respond to my posts and I won't to yours.

Antagonizing posts? You mean calling you out on doing the same thing you criticized me for? Please. You want to see antagonizing posts, read yours in your response to me. Each time you have resorted to name calling and immature behavior. Grow up kid and get lost. You have nothing to offer this thread but insults and baiting others into arguments.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm not convinced every other team wouldn't have cleared him with the playoffs on the line. Whether it's uber conservative, conservative or just course par, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that they are being safe with their most important player by far. And no one should argue against that.

If you want to view it as them being safe, fine I guess.

But if they played him without being cleared, that is just wreckless with this injury.

This is one of the few (maybe only??) injuries that has no in between.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm not convinced every other team wouldn't have cleared him with the playoffs on the line. Whether it's uber conservative, conservative or just course par, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that they are being safe with their most important player by far. And no one should argue against that.

If you want to view it as them being safe, fine I guess.

But if they played him without being cleared, that is just wreckless with this injury.

This is one of the few (maybe only??) injuries that has no in between.

I don't get how people say "well even if he broke it again he'd be ready by training camp"

Sure, he'd be ready but is he in football shape? No. He had to spend months of not lifting weights, probably not even running to avoid arm motion and any jarring from running. So basically he takes the entire offseason off. So is he really ready for the season?

Some people think these guys go home and sit on the couch all offseason. They are working out and making themselves better all offseason. Any disruption to that is a disaster for the next year

 

[LawFitz]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

Looks like I have my first official message board stalker. My apologies to the rest of this forum for inciting this clown.

Don't flatter yourself

Look at your sig and your series of antagonizing posts the last few weeks. You're an obsessed child and a wannabe bully. Do us all a favor and put me on ignore if you absolutely can't resist your inner troll. Otherwise don't respond to my posts and I won't to yours.

Antagonizing posts? You mean calling you out on doing the same thing you criticized me for?Please. You want to see antagonizing posts, read yours in your response to me. Each time you have resorted to name calling and immature behavior. Grow up kid and get lost. You have nothing to offer this thread but insults and baiting others into arguments.

More tripe from my stalker. I'm sure I'll see ya in the next thread, "doctor."

 

[Interseptopus]

Trading for him will probably cost me a fantasy championship this weekend, but I still love me some ARod. Pack making the right decision being uber conservative with their $100 MM man. Get well soon. Hope to see ya in the NFL playoffs this year somehow, but if not, I look forward to another 5-10 years of spectacular play after this one.

Looks like I have my first official message board stalker. My apologies to the rest of this forum for inciting this clown.

Don't flatter yourself

Look at your sig and your series of antagonizing posts the last few weeks. You're an obsessed child and a wannabe bully. Do us all a favor and put me on ignore if you absolutely can't resist your inner troll. Otherwise don't respond to my posts and I won't to yours.

Antagonizing posts? You mean calling you out on doing the same thing you criticized me for?Please. You want to see antagonizing posts, read yours in your response to me. Each time you have resorted to name calling and immature behavior. Grow up kid and get lost. You have nothing to offer this thread but insults and baiting others into arguments.

More tripe from my stalker. I'm sure I'll see ya in the next thread, "doctor."

anything of substance to add to the discussion? Or just going to keep firing the insults?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

According to PFT......Ted Thompson made the final call on sitting ARod this week. That is messed up.

 

[Interseptopus]

According to PFT......Ted Thompson made the final call on sitting ARod this week. That is messed up.

I'm not sure if that's true. But would be ridiculous if it was. I missed the MD after his name...

 

[sho nuff]

According to PFT......Ted Thompson made the final call on sitting ARod this week. That is messed up.

Not sure...but at the same time...its his guy...Im sure he took a ton of advice from the Docs and wants to protect the biggest asset...

Does not need an MD behind his name to make the decision...takes the info from the doc to make a decision.

Just sort of undercuts his own coach and I don't like the GM meddling in a game type situation...but also understand a GM wanting input into things when it comes to a player of that caliber/$$$.