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***Official Academy Awards Discussion Thread*** - Anora is the Big Winner (1 Viewer)

ILUVBEER99 said:
Did you like triangle of sadness?

I want to watch Tar but thought triangle of sadness was torture to finish.

Maybe I’m not sophisticated enough to watch these artistic movies.
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Did not like that movie at all. Tar is definitely more subtle, slower paced than Triangle of Sadness so it may not be your thing.
 
I've seen seven of the ten best picture nominees. I liked all of them except Triangle of Sadness but can't say any of them blew me away. Perhaps some would have if I'd seen them in a theater instead of at home. Of the seven I saw, I'd probably vote for Tar.

The Fabelmans, Avatar and Women Talking are the three I haven't seen.
 
Finally saw my last Best Picture nominee, The Fabelmens. Great movie, looks awesome good performances. It's a little long but my wife and I really enjoyed it.

Here's my ranked ballot, ranked from best to worst

1. Everything Everywhere All At Once
2. The Banshees of Inisherin
3.Tar
4 Top Gun: Maverick
5. The Fabelmans
6. Avatar: The Way of Water
7. Women Talking
8. Elvis
9. All Quiet on the Western Front
10. Triangle of Sadness

Overall, this was a good year of movies and The Oscars mostly got it right. This is a diverse list with plenty of movies people actually saw and loved. Movies are back! I would consider Babylon, The Menu, Barbarian, Causeway, RRR, Pinocchio (Del Torro) and Woman King, just as a sample of options I would prefer over All Quiet and Triangle.
 
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Ilov80s said:
Overall, this was a good year of movies and The Oscars mostly got it right. This is a diverse list with plenty of movies people actually saw and loved. Movies are back!
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I agree with the movies are back. The crop of nominees the last couple of years have been a bit weak with the pandemic delaying some releases and productions.

While still short of the 2019 crop, I think this is easily the strongest group of nominees since then (and no shame in being behind that year, as that one had Parasite, 1917, Jojo Rabbit, Once Upon a Time, Ford v Ferrari, etc.)
 
Don Quixote said:
I agree with the movies are back. The crop of nominees the last couple of years have been a bit weak with the pandemic delaying some releases and productions.

While still short of the 2019 crop, I think this is easily the strongest group of nominees since then (and no shame in being behind that year, as that one had Parasite, 1917, Jojo Rabbit, Once Upon a Time, Ford v Ferrari, etc.)
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I would agree, the best since 2019 and 2019 was a historically good year. Also, like 2019, people have actually seen a lot of these movies. Top Gun and Avatar were the 2 highest grossing movies of the year and both top 12 highest grossing all time. Elvis made a lot of money, Everything is this shocking smallish 10 million budget movie that's potentially going to change the history of movies. Triangle won the Palm d'Or at Cannes, All Quiet is a streaming foreign movie. There's comedy, sci-fi, action. Legends like Spielberg, Cruise, Cameron and new comers like the Daniels and Austin Butler. Also, a lot of random movies are smashing expectations: Cocaine Bear, Megan, Scream 6, Creed 3. All are opening big and in the case of the last 2, setting new highs for their franchise.
 
Ilov80s said:
Don Quixote said:
I agree with the movies are back. The crop of nominees the last couple of years have been a bit weak with the pandemic delaying some releases and productions.

While still short of the 2019 crop, I think this is easily the strongest group of nominees since then (and no shame in being behind that year, as that one had Parasite, 1917, Jojo Rabbit, Once Upon a Time, Ford v Ferrari, etc.)
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I would agree, the best since 2019 and 2019 was a historically good year. Also, like 2019, people have actually seen a lot of these movies. Top Gun and Avatar were the 2 highest grossing movies of the year and both top 12 highest grossing all time. Elvis made a lot of money, Everything is this shocking smallish 10 million budget movie that's potentially going to change the history of movies. Triangle won the Palm d'Or at Cannes, All Quiet is a streaming foreign movie. There's comedy, sci-fi, action. Legends like Spielberg, Cruise, Cameron and new comers like the Daniels and Austin Butler. Also, a lot of random movies are smashing expectations: Cocaine Bear, Megan, Scream 6, Creed 3. All are opening big and in the case of the last 2, setting new highs for their franchise.
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Yeah, and lots of great stuff outside the best picture nominations that I’ve enjoyed too.

On the animation side, Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio is fantastic. I loved Marcel the Shell too.

Some outstanding docs that have talked about in here too — Navalny, Fire of Love, and All that Breathes.

Still working my way through the shorts, but few that I have seen have been good too.
 
Don Quixote said:
Still working my way through the shorts, but few that I have seen have been good too.
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Speaking of shorts...my annual post. This year I was only able to get out to see the animated and the live action in theaters. Luckily four of the documentaries are streaming, so I only missed one.

Animated: Both the animated and documentary categories were strong this year IMO. But as mentioned previously, the most brilliant of the animated, and in fact my favorite in all three categories this year, is "My Year of Dicks." Ever wonder what it's like to be a 15-year-old girl? Believe me, you don't really want to know, but this short nails it. Plus, it's hilarious and fantastically animated.

My second favorite of the year, "An Ostrich Told Me the World Is Fake and I Think I Believe It," would be a more-than deserving winner in any other year. It's stop-motion animation and cleverly breaks down the fourth wall with the audience - it's unique and fun. I think one of these two will win the Oscar, but I do have a bit of fear that "The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse" might sneak in there. This one is absolutely beautifully animated of the group but so full of empty platitudes that it was literally laughable to me. However, it is one of those shorts with a huge producer (J.J. Abrams) and celebrity backing (I do give them an extra point for having Idris Elba as one of the voices), which might get it some support. I've noticed usually that the animated award doesn't seem to be affected by that, though, other than the year that stupid Kobe short won.

Another excellent short in this category is "Ice Merchants," which is a wordless and gorgeous story of a father and child who've experienced loss. Hard to describe - just be sure to see this one. You can skip the fifth entry, "The Flying Sailor." Everyone in the theatre seemed to be befuddled by this one. This one does, however, unlike "My Year of Dicks," actually feature an animated ****.

I'll start a new post for the other categories.
 
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Ilov80s said:
Finally saw my last Best Picture nominee, The Fabelmens. Great movie, looks awesome good performances. It's a little long but my wife and I really enjoyed it.

Here's my ranked ballot, ranked from best to worst

1. Everything Everywhere All At Once
2. The Banshees of Inisherin
3.Tar
4 Top Gun: Maverick
5. The Fabelmans
6. Avatar: The Way of Water
7. Women Talking
8. Elvis
9. All Quiet on the Western Front
10. Triangle of Sadness

Overall, this was a good year of movies and The Oscars mostly got it right. This is a diverse list with plenty of movies people actually saw and loved. Movies are back! I would consider Babylon, The Menu, Barbarian, Causeway, RRR, Pinocchio (Del Torro) and Woman King, just as a sample of options I would prefer over All Quiet and Triangle.
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I've seen all the best picture nominees except Avatar. I agree with your #1. Pretty sure it's going to win it.

I liked your 9 and 10 a lot more than you did. And I didn't think Tar was that great.

I loved RRR, Causeway and The Menu. I also thought To Leslie was quite good and Andrea Riseborough definitely deserves her nomination.
 
krista4 said:
Don Quixote said:
Still working my way through the shorts, but few that I have seen have been good too.
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Speaking of shorts...my annual post. This year I was only able to get out to see the animated and the live action in theaters. Luckily four of the documentaries are streaming, so I only missed one.

Animated: Both the animated and documentary categories were strong this year IMO. But as mentioned previously, the most brilliant of the animated, and in fact my favorite in all three categories this year, is "My Year of Dicks." Ever wonder what it's like to be a 15-year-old girl? Believe me, you don't really want to know, but this short nails it. Plus, it's hilarious and fantastically animated.

My second favorite of the year, "An Ostrich Told Me the World Is Fake and I Think I Believe It," would be a more-than deserving winner in any other year. It's stop-motion animation and cleverly breaks down the fourth wall with the audience - it's unique and fun. I think one of these two will win the Oscar, but I do have a bit of fear that "The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse" might sneak in there. This one is absolutely beautifully animated of the group but so full of empty platitudes that it was literally laughable to me. However, it is one of those shorts with huge producer (J.J. Abrams) and celebrity backing (I do give them an extra point for having Idris Elba as one of the voices), which get it some support. I've noticed usually that the animated award doesn't seem to be affected by that, though, other than the year that stupid Kobe short won.

Another excellent short in this category is "Ice Merchants," which is a wordless and gorgeous story of a father and child who've experienced loss. Hard to describe - just be sure to see this one. You can skip the fifth entry, "The Flying Sailor." Everyone is the theatre seemed to be befuddled by this one. This one does, however, unlike "My Year of Dicks," actually feature an animated ****.

I'll start a new post for the other categories.
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The two that I’ve seen here are “My Year of Dicks” and “The Boy, The Mole, The Fox, and Horse.” Your take on the latter matches mine — looked great technically, but felt a bit too saccharine and kind of empty.

I can’t quite weigh in on what it is like to be a 15 year old girl (for obvious reasons), but definitely preferred My Year of Dicks of the two — had some funny moments and solid animation.

Need to watch the others (but I guess can skip The Flying Sailor).
 
krista4 said:
Don Quixote said:
Still working my way through the shorts, but few that I have seen have been good too.
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Speaking of shorts...my annual post. This year I was only able to get out to see the animated and the live action in theaters. Luckily four of the documentaries are streaming, so I only missed one.

Animated: Both the animated and documentary categories were strong this year IMO. But as mentioned previously, the most brilliant of the animated, and in fact my favorite in all three categories this year, is "My Year of Dicks." Ever wonder what it's like to be a 15-year-old girl? Believe me, you don't really want to know, but this short nails it. Plus, it's hilarious and fantastically animated.

My second favorite of the year, "An Ostrich Told Me the World Is Fake and I Think I Believe It," would be a more-than deserving winner in any other year. It's stop-motion animation and cleverly breaks down the fourth wall with the audience - it's unique and fun. I think one of these two will win the Oscar, but I do have a bit of fear that "The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse" might sneak in there. This one is absolutely beautifully animated of the group but so full of empty platitudes that it was literally laughable to me. However, it is one of those shorts with huge producer (J.J. Abrams) and celebrity backing (I do give them an extra point for having Idris Elba as one of the voices), which get it some support. I've noticed usually that the animated award doesn't seem to be affected by that, though, other than the year that stupid Kobe short won.

Another excellent short in this category is "Ice Merchants," which is a wordless and gorgeous story of a father and child who've experienced loss. Hard to describe - just be sure to see this one. You can skip the fifth entry, "The Flying Sailor." Everyone is the theatre seemed to be befuddled by this one. This one does, however, unlike "My Year of Dicks," actually feature an animated ****.

I'll start a new post for the other categories.
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My wife and I are Oscar geeks. We try our best to see every nominated film. It's been tough this year with the shorts---not many are streaming.

We also thought My Year Of Dicks was the best that we saw. And I completely agree with your take on Boy/Mole/Fox/Horse---great animation but, holy ****, the ham-fisted messaging was cringeworthy.
 
Documentary Shorts:

I predict that "Haulout" will win this category, and it would certainly be deserving. The footage in this short is nothing short of stunning. In fact it is so stunning that I had to keep reminding myself that it was real and not CGI. I hesitate to describe it too much, because it's actually gasp-inducing, but just imagine what it would look like if 95,000 walruses showed up at your door. Really. Unfortunately, this is also a really hard watch as it shows the effects of climate change on the arctic walrus population. Spoiler alert: the effects are not good. (available on Youtube)

On a more positive animal-related note, "The Elephant Whisperers" is a lovely story of a couple in India who take in orphaned elephants. This is a typical Oscar-bait documentary of disadvantaged people still doing everything they can to help unfortunate creatures in their little corner of the world. I guess it's Krista-bait, too, as I adored it. It's not really unique or important enough to win, I think. (available on Netflix)

My personal favorite, only because I found "Haulout" to be so harrowing, was "Stranger at the Gate." It's best not to discuss the plot of this one too much, but it's about a man in Muncie, Indiana who plans a mass murder at a Muslim community center. I don't read about the shorts before watching, but I do afterward, and now I've found I liked this one much more than others did. Oh well, I still say run don't walk to see this. (available on Youtube)

I also very much enjoyed "The Martha Mitchell Effect." Realized I didn't know much, if anything, about her, and she was just a fascinating woman. This is a very traditional style of documentary that I don't think will win the award, but it's a very interesting historical document. (available on Netflix)

I didn't get to see "How Do You Measure a Year?", but from what I've read I didn't miss much.
 
Live Action Shorts:

To me, this was by far the weakest group of the year. I can't say any are must-sees, but two of them are close. In "An Irish Goodbye," two Irish brothers try to finish their mother's bucket list after her death (or do they?). It's sweet and often very funny. The other stand-out to me was "The Red Suitcase," about an Iranian girl arriving at Luxembourg airport to meet the man her father has arranged for her to marry. It has the feel of a thriller layered with empathy and wistfulness. This is the one that has stuck with me the most.

"Ivalu" is a beautifully shot glimpse of the life of a young girl in Greenland who is searching for her missing sister. What should have had an emotional impact somehow it left me cold, though (no Greenland pun intended). I see now that this was based on a graphic novel of the same name. It just didn't translate well from the page.

"Night Ride" is a surprise choice for a nomination, as it was just a short, somewhat silly and trite "outsiders banding together" trope. The worst of the lot for me, though, was "Le Pupille," a story of...well, I don't know what. It was a bunch of little girls in an orphanage, and some nuns, and there was a cake involved, and they did a lot of singing. Not only awful, but seemed to be three hours long. It irritated me from start to...are we there yet...is this still going on...isn't this supposed to be a "short"...blissfully reaching finish. Unfortunately, I think it has a good shot to win as it was co-produced by Alfonso Cuarón, had its premiere at Cannes, and has streamed on Disney+. Yuck.
 
Some really tough calls this year for lead and supporting Actor, Actress, Director and Original Screenplay. Cinematography is also tough but mostly because it’s a weak list of options. Maverick should have been the the runaway winner and it didn’t even get a nomination.
 
Ilov80s said:
Finally saw my last Best Picture nominee, The Fabelmens. Great movie, looks awesome good performances. It's a little long but my wife and I really enjoyed it.

Here's my ranked ballot, ranked from best to worst

1. Everything Everywhere All At Once
2. The Banshees of Inisherin
3.Tar
4 Top Gun: Maverick
5. The Fabelmans
6. Avatar: The Way of Water
7. Women Talking
8. Elvis
9. All Quiet on the Western Front
10. Triangle of Sadness

Overall, this was a good year of movies and The Oscars mostly got it right. This is a diverse list with plenty of movies people actually saw and loved. Movies are back! I would consider Babylon, The Menu, Barbarian, Causeway, RRR, Pinocchio (Del Torro) and Woman King, just as a sample of options I would prefer over All Quiet and Triangle.
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My ranking:

1. Everything Everywhere All At Once
2. Women Talking
3. All Quiet On The Western Front
4. Triangle Of Sadness
5. Top Gun: Maverick
6. The Fabelmans
7. The Banshees of Inisherin
8. Tar
9. Elvis
 
Used to be into seeing movies in the theater very much. Lots of different reasons has kept me from doing that so Oscars really don't mean anything to me unfortunately. Have only seen one of these this year which is wild as almost always had seen vast majority of them in the past.

10 nominees is also pretty dumb.
 
Don Quixote said:
Watching the red carpet stuff. Questlove said he has a Sly Stone doc coming out. I had not read about that one yet, but I can’t wait for that one.
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I also decided to watch that, for the first time in many years, and I'm kinda enjoying it. :bag: Was super-excited to hear about that project, too.

Hugh Grant was a real dickweed. Short Round is making up for it. :)
 
The General said:
Used to be into seeing movies in the theater very much. Lots of different reasons has kept me from doing that so Oscars really don't mean anything to me unfortunately. Have only seen one of these this year which is wild as almost always had seen vast majority of them in the past.

10 nominees is also pretty dumb.
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Yes/No

I think people can see through the charade when stuff like Maverick or Avatar is nominated. I think it helped a little bit in ratings, but after a few years even the newer viewer get the idea that those movies don't have a shot. That said, there have been a couple surprises in the last few years for Best Picture, and my follow up question would be - would those have won/even have been nominated if we didn't have 10 categories.

I think there are better ways to get more mainstream movies in the mix. I would say an award like stunt work, or fight choreography might help. I thought it would be fun if they had little segments showing what these awards are and why they matter. For example - show a scene with and without a score or maybe a popular scene edited a different way. There are ways they could keep the format and make it more appealing for audiences.
 
KarmaPolice said:
The General said:
Used to be into seeing movies in the theater very much. Lots of different reasons has kept me from doing that so Oscars really don't mean anything to me unfortunately. Have only seen one of these this year which is wild as almost always had seen vast majority of them in the past.

10 nominees is also pretty dumb.
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Yes/No

I think people can see through the charade when stuff like Maverick or Avatar is nominated. I think it helped a little bit in ratings, but after a few years even the newer viewer get the idea that those movies don't have a shot. That said, there have been a couple surprises in the last few years for Best Picture, and my follow up question would be - would those have won/even have been nominated if we didn't have 10 categories.

I think there are better ways to get more mainstream movies in the mix. I would say an award like stunt work, or fight choreography might help. I thought it would be fun if they had little segments showing what these awards are and why they matter. For example - show a scene with and without a score or maybe a popular scene edited a different way. There are ways they could keep the format and make it more appealing for audiences.
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I'm pretty sure they've done that before.
 
KarmaPolice said:
The General said:
Used to be into seeing movies in the theater very much. Lots of different reasons has kept me from doing that so Oscars really don't mean anything to me unfortunately. Have only seen one of these this year which is wild as almost always had seen vast majority of them in the past.

10 nominees is also pretty dumb.
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Yes/No

I think people can see through the charade when stuff like Maverick or Avatar is nominated. I think it helped a little bit in ratings, but after a few years even the newer viewer get the idea that those movies don't have a shot. That said, there have been a couple surprises in the last few years for Best Picture, and my follow up question would be - would those have won/even have been nominated if we didn't have 10 categories.

I think there are better ways to get more mainstream movies in the mix. I would say an award like stunt work, or fight choreography might help. I thought it would be fun if they had little segments showing what these awards are and why they matter. For example - show a scene with and without a score or maybe a popular scene edited a different way. There are ways they could keep the format and make it more appealing for audiences.
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Yeah it's purely a lame way IMO to get people to watch. Not a very good one either. It's like having the Alamo Bowl winner up there with the Rose Bowl.

Top Gun Maverick, while a fun time and important to the industry, isn't a "Best Picture". Some Technical awards maybe for movie like this, not even sure if it did those all the well in comparison to other movies this year.

Personally no issues if a popular action movie wins like say "Fury Road" but it needs to be spectacular.
 
KarmaPolice said:
The General said:
Used to be into seeing movies in the theater very much. Lots of different reasons has kept me from doing that so Oscars really don't mean anything to me unfortunately. Have only seen one of these this year which is wild as almost always had seen vast majority of them in the past.

10 nominees is also pretty dumb.
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Yes/No

I think people can see through the charade when stuff like Maverick or Avatar is nominated. I think it helped a little bit in ratings, but after a few years even the newer viewer get the idea that those movies don't have a shot. That said, there have been a couple surprises in the last few years for Best Picture, and my follow up question would be - would those have won/even have been nominated if we didn't have 10 categories.

I think there are better ways to get more mainstream movies in the mix. I would say an award like stunt work, or fight choreography might help. I thought it would be fun if they had little segments showing what these awards are and why they matter. For example - show a scene with and without a score or maybe a popular scene edited a different way. There are ways they could keep the format and make it more appealing for audiences.
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I would say EEAAO is so far from a typical Oscar movie as well and it’s one of the biggest favorites in awhile. The awards might be shifting as the academy gets more diverse and younger.
 
Ilov80s said:
KarmaPolice said:
The General said:
Used to be into seeing movies in the theater very much. Lots of different reasons has kept me from doing that so Oscars really don't mean anything to me unfortunately. Have only seen one of these this year which is wild as almost always had seen vast majority of them in the past.

10 nominees is also pretty dumb.
Click to expand...
Yes/No

I think people can see through the charade when stuff like Maverick or Avatar is nominated. I think it helped a little bit in ratings, but after a few years even the newer viewer get the idea that those movies don't have a shot. That said, there have been a couple surprises in the last few years for Best Picture, and my follow up question would be - would those have won/even have been nominated if we didn't have 10 categories.

I think there are better ways to get more mainstream movies in the mix. I would say an award like stunt work, or fight choreography might help. I thought it would be fun if they had little segments showing what these awards are and why they matter. For example - show a scene with and without a score or maybe a popular scene edited a different way. There are ways they could keep the format and make it more appealing for audiences.
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I would say EEAAO is so far from a typical Oscar movie as well and it’s one of the biggest favorites in awhile. The awards might be shifting as the academy gets more diverse and younger.
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I also wouldn't consider that to be populist fare like Top Gun and Avatar either. I would be surprised if many people I work with saw it or would like it if they did.
I think what you are saying is point to the Academy and it's voters getting younger and diverse, but I don't think that movie moves the needle as far as the general public wanting to tune in and cheer for it.
 
KarmaPolice said:
I also wouldn't consider that to be populist fare like Top Gun and Avatar either. I would be surprised if many people I work with saw it or would like it if they did.
I think what you are saying is point to the Academy and it's voters getting younger and diverse, but I don't think that movie moves the needle as far as the general public wanting to tune in and cheer for it.
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Yeah I agree it’s still niche. In the younger online film world, it’s one of the biggest movies of all time but its mainstream impact was minimal- especially with older people. That said it’s basically a kung-fu sci-fi slapstick comedy which is about the most non-Oscar sounding movie one could have described until this year.
 
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