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I agree with you, it was a mistake. But some mistakes are more excusable than others. Parker's inability to handle easy catches and punts are inexcusable, as was Florence's head butt and Marty's STUPID decision to go for it on 4th and 11 from the NE 30 in the 1st quarter.McCree's mistake, although perhaps the most costly b/c it enabled the Chargers to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, isn't as bad as the mistakes made by Parker, Florence, and Marty, IMO.
Thank you! Exactly. You need to be aware of everything as a football player. This was one of the first NFL lessons I learned when watching as a kid. I can remember great CBs knocking the ball down, even with a full field ahead of them, because they were aware of the situation. Knock the ball down and let your offense take care of the ball.mad sweeney said:
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Brady did a lot of things "when it counted", including throwing an INT that should have cost him the game. But the one thing he did NOT do was "win" the game. The only 2 people you could legitimately say "won" the game are Faulk and Gostkowski.He won the game when it counted. Yeah, that may be "cliche", and that may make youuke:, but that's exactly what happened.
He played poorly until that point. After that, with 6 minutes to play, down 8 against a 14-2 team, and on the road, here is what he did:1-10-SD32 (6:16) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to J.Gaffney to SD 25 for 7 yards (Q.Jammer).' date='Jan 15 2007, 03:47 PM' post='6207216']
Brady did a lot of things "when it counted", including throwing an INT that should have cost him the game. But the one thing he did NOT do was "win" the game. The only 2 people you could legitimately say "won" the game are Faulk and Gostkowski.He won the game when it counted. Yeah, that may be "cliche", and that may make you
I don't recall, was it Faulk or Gostkowski that threw the fifty yarder to Caldwell to get them down there?' date='Jan 15 2007, 04:47 PM' post='6207216']
Brady did a lot of things "when it counted", including throwing an INT that should have cost him the game. But the one thing he did NOT do was "win" the game. The only 2 people you could legitimately say "won" the game are Faulk and Gostkowski.He won the game when it counted. Yeah, that may be "cliche", and that may make you
And full credit to Brady for that stretch. I suppose it is fair to say that it redeemed his awful play (at least by his standards) the rest of the game. But if San Diego didn't commit a number of stupid mistakes, Brady would not have had the opportunity for this redeeming stretch... so to say he won the game is a matter of perspective. Personally, I think San Diego lost the game more than New England or Brady won it...He played poorly until that point. After that, with 6 minutes to play, down 8 against a 14-2 team, and on the road, here is what he did:1-10-SD32 (6:16) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to J.Gaffney to SD 25 for 7 yards (Q.Jammer).' date='Jan 15 2007, 03:47 PM' post='6207216']
Brady did a lot of things "when it counted", including throwing an INT that should have cost him the game. But the one thing he did NOT do was "win" the game. The only 2 people you could legitimately say "won" the game are Faulk and Gostkowski.He won the game when it counted. Yeah, that may be "cliche", and that may make you
2-3-SD25 (5:35) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to B.Watson.
3-3-SD25 (5:31) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to J.Gaffney to SD 13 for 12 yards (A.Cromartie).
1-10-SD13 (4:46) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to B.Watson pushed ob at SD 4 for 9 yards (T.Kiel).
2-1-SD4 (4:41) T.Brady pass short left to R.Caldwell for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
then
1-10-NE15 (3:30) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep middle to D.Graham to NE 34 for 19 yards (T.Kiel).
1-10-NE34 (2:52) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to D.Graham (R.Godfrey).
2-10-NE34 (2:45) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to K.Faulk [s.Cooper].
3-10-NE34 (2:42) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep right to R.Caldwell ran ob at SD 17 for 49 yards.
ball does to 17 on that play.
So, he was 6 of 9 for 100 yards, a td, and put the team in range for a chip shot FG with little time remaining.
I think he played pretty fantastic from that moment on, after suckin a good deal prior to that point.
This kind of talk has to stop. Gostkowski did not win this game. Vinatieri did not win the Patriots 2 SB's as so many would like to suggest. Skip Bayless (who is a moron) made some today that Brady has won 3 SB's, 2 courtesy of Adam Vinatieri.In the first SB, the Pats D held the greatest show on turf to 17 points. I would say there were many on that defense, Ty Law, Otis Smith, Willie McGinest, that had a lot more to do with that win than Adam Vinatieri. Vinatieri contributed to the win and we were lucky to have him but he did not win the game.' date='Jan 15 2007, 03:47 PM' post='6207216']
Brady did a lot of things "when it counted", including throwing an INT that should have cost him the game. But the one thing he did NOT do was "win" the game. The only 2 people you could legitimately say "won" the game are Faulk and Gostkowski.He won the game when it counted. Yeah, that may be "cliche", and that may make you
The clock doesn't expire when it hits zero. It expires when it's been on zero for a full second. Just after it first hits zero, it's actually at 0.999 seconds, but the clock only shows the digits to the left of the decimal.I think . . .
they wish
As far as how they are viewed by non-fans, yes, yes they are.As far as winning tradition goes, we're working on it, almost there.
3 titles in 50 years does not = the yankees. sorry.
I agree with you too. His mistake clearly ranks well below Parker, Florence and the bad challenge. But that's the difference between skilled players and great football players. If he'd realized the stakes and batted it down we'd be talking about the play that sent the Chargers to the AFC championship next week (like Plummer vs Pittsburgh in 93) instead of Torrey Pines for 18. Just because it's more "excusable" it doesn't change the fact that his was one of the mistakes, and the one with the biggest impact, that let the Pats come back to win. Quite frankly, the more I think about it the more I consider it less excusable. When it all comes down to it, it's a mental breakdown which, if he keeps his head, would have given the Chargers the win. I don't know baseball enough to make a perfect analogy but it's like fielding a ball, throwing it to the wrong base to get the 2nd out but letting the winning run score in the bottom of the ninth.I would say his was less stupid, because the head butt and trying to pick up the muffed punt were both STUPID, but not really any less excusable.
Give it another 50 years, Man, we're working on it . . . and thanks for getting the point. Which was, the fact that my beloved Patriots have become the team you love to hate. Not because they are dirty players, or slept with your sister, but because they keep getting in the way of your team winning a championship.
link to me hating the pats? or even the yankees for that matter.
I wasn't talking about you specifically, it's a realization I had while reading every post in this 29 page thread.And I hate the Yankees, a little less since 2004, but I still hate them.
to be honest do you know who the Pats remind me of? The Bad Boy Detroit Pistons, a great team in their own right, a couple great players then everyone else knowing their role, and being despized by the other great teams at the time, cause even though Jordan had more talent, he couldnt seem to beat them, until one day..........
I'd give them a little more longevity then them, but sure, I'll go with that. All dynasties must end, but being in the middle one sure does feel good.
the pistons made 3 finals in a row , and 5 conference champs in a row. pretty decent run. NEpat has one more title.
They were lucky... lucky they have smarter players than the Chargers.
Nope...zero is zero. 0.001 seconds and 0.999 seconds both show up as :01. Watch a basketball game when the clocks moves from 1:01 to 1:00 to 0:59.9. There is a full second between 1:01 and 1:00, but almost no time between 1:00 and 0:59.9. In other words, anything between 1:00.001 and 1:01 will show as 1:01.
