*** Official *** Andrew Luck is overrated thread (1 Viewer)

[GDogg]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

Peyton wasn't a can't miss, though, either. There was significant debate as to who should be the first QB off the board between Manning and Ryan Leaf. There were question marks about him (that he later answered, obviously).

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

ryan leaf redux

Lol.

 

[CalBear]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

Elway is possibly the most overrated QB of all time, so you may be making my point for me.

 

[Buffaloes]

ryan leaf redux

based on what, exactly?

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

ryan leaf redux

Come on, man.Take a deep breath, maybe have a drink, come back and try a little harder.

 

[shuke]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

If Peyton was a "can't miss", then Ryan Leaf was, too.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

If Peyton was a "can't miss", then Ryan Leaf was, too.

No he wasn't. SI's draft evaluation of him

Summary

Leaf appears to be the hot QB in this draft, and he led WSU to a storybook season...He is a physically imposing QB with great size and strength....he is very sturdy and durable in the pocket, and is a surprisingly good athlete for his size...He has a strong arm and shows good touch, and can change up the speed on his passes...He has good feet, but is not really a scrambler. However, he can stand in and take the big hits....He is a very naturally gifted player, but could improve on his throwing mechanics, although it is not a major problem....There are no physical or athletic limitations to hold Leaf back from becoming a great NFL QB. However, there appears to be some minor nagging questions in the area of maturity and his mental approach to the game. He is perceived as not always an easy guy to work with, and he tends to beat to his own drummer...As good as he is, he can have some streaks on the field where he looks like he has forgotten everything he has been taught...There seems to be a nagging question here that something might be missing, but it may be hard to verbalize it...However, Leaf made all the right moves at the end of his season when he declared for the NFL draft...Unless he turns some teams off in individual interviews between now and the draft, he should have no problems....Nobody will question his physical abilities, and it is not outlandish to think that he could be the first pick of the draft, instead of Peyton Manning....There is a huge upside with Leaf, and it is conceivable that he could be one of the best young QB’s in the game in 2-3 years...His ability to play as physical as he does and take the hits that will obviously come, when playing for a team that obviously doesn’t have a very good OL, will help him get over the tough times as a team builds around him.

This was a pretty typical evaluation for him. He could be great, but the possibility that he could be a bust was always there. With Manning the question was does he have the physical talent to be a HOF player, It would have been truly shocking if he didn't develop into a solid NFL starter.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

Elway is possibly the most overrated QB of all time, so you may be making my point for me.

I am a Steelers fan and certainly no Denver homer. Elway is the bets player in the history of the NFL. He took teams to the Superbowl by himself.

 

[Oh Yes!]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

Elway is possibly the most overrated QB of all time, so you may be making my point for me.

I am a Steelers fan and certainly no Denver homer. Elway is the bets player in the history of the NFL. He took teams to the Superbowl by himself.

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[Buffaloes]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

Elway is possibly the most overrated QB of all time, so you may be making my point for me.

I am a Steelers fan and certainly no Denver homer. Elway is the bets player in the history of the NFL. He took teams to the Superbowl by himself.

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I'm sure he is referring to the 3 Super Bowls Elway played in before Shanahan was hired as HC.

 

[massraider]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

Elway is possibly the most overrated QB of all time, so you may be making my point for me.

I am a Steelers fan and certainly no Denver homer. Elway is the bets player in the history of the NFL. He took teams to the Superbowl by himself.

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I'm sure he is referring to the 3 Super Bowls Elway played in before Shanahan was hired as HC.

I am sure he is. Completely wrong. That's an insult to some really good players on those teams, and darn good coaching staff. I grew up watching those Broncos get the stuffing kicked out of them in the Super Bowl, and it didn't make up for watching them hang 30 on people every week during the regular season, or Meck, Kragen, Fletcher, Dennis Smith etc. knocking people around.

 

[Joe Summer]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

If Peyton was a "can't miss", then Ryan Leaf was, too.

No he wasn't. SI's draft evaluation of him

Summary

Leaf appears to be the hot QB in this draft, and he led WSU to a storybook season...He is a physically imposing QB with great size and strength....he is very sturdy and durable in the pocket, and is a surprisingly good athlete for his size...He has a strong arm and shows good touch, and can change up the speed on his passes...He has good feet, but is not really a scrambler. However, he can stand in and take the big hits....He is a very naturally gifted player, but could improve on his throwing mechanics, although it is not a major problem....There are no physical or athletic limitations to hold Leaf back from becoming a great NFL QB. However, there appears to be some minor nagging questions in the area of maturity and his mental approach to the game. He is perceived as not always an easy guy to work with, and he tends to beat to his own drummer...As good as he is, he can have some streaks on the field where he looks like he has forgotten everything he has been taught...There seems to be a nagging question here that something might be missing, but it may be hard to verbalize it...However, Leaf made all the right moves at the end of his season when he declared for the NFL draft...Unless he turns some teams off in individual interviews between now and the draft, he should have no problems....Nobody will question his physical abilities, and it is not outlandish to think that he could be the first pick of the draft, instead of Peyton Manning....There is a huge upside with Leaf, and it is conceivable that he could be one of the best young QB’s in the game in 2-3 years...His ability to play as physical as he does and take the hits that will obviously come, when playing for a team that obviously doesn’t have a very good OL, will help him get over the tough times as a team builds around him.

This was a pretty typical evaluation for him. He could be great, but the possibility that he could be a bust was always there. With Manning the question was does he have the physical talent to be a HOF player, It would have been truly shocking if he didn't develop into a solid NFL starter.

Peyton's evaluation from the same article:

Manning is probably the most prepared QB to enter the NFL draft in several years.. He has had a storybook college career, and has been in a top level program with excellent coaching, and he has maturity and great intangibles to go along with his natural skills.. He should be able to pick up the mental aspects of the game early on the NFL level, and should play very quickly. He has great overall field vision. He is a fierce competitor, and all of his mechanics are very solid. He has good arm strength, but not necessarily a “gun” that you might expect from a QB at the top of the draft.. He has adequate mobility and good overall AA, although he is not a scrambler by nature. He has done an excellent job of getting the most out of his abilities, but he is not quite as natural a player as Leaf. One question that some NFL scouts have is the question “will he get any better?”. At times he gives the appearance of being a self-made player, and sometimes those types of players don’t always go on to great NFL careers. In Manning’s case, he may be a solid and productive NFL QB, but he may not have Hall of Fame type skills, but it certainly won’t be for lack of effort.. He has probably been the most scouted player in the draft in recent years, and because that NFL teams tend to look too much at potential flaws, instead of accepting him for what he is, a great college QB that is on his way to an outstanding NFL career.

 

[huthut]

If my team gets him I hope he is the next Manning, if someone elses team gets him I hope he is the next Leaf.

 

[CalBear]

No one is every really can't miss, but he is the closest anybody has been in a long time, at least since Peyton maybe since Elway.

Elway is possibly the most overrated QB of all time, so you may be making my point for me.

I am a Steelers fan and certainly no Denver homer. Elway is the bets player in the history of the NFL. He took teams to the Superbowl by himself.

Gee, that 55% completion ratio and 158 TDs vs 157 INTs in his first year in the league really led teams to the Super Bowl. Or are you referring to the Super Bowl teams with a 2000-yard rusher that Elway "led" there?Elway has zero All-Pro selections, which means he was never even considered the best QB in his own conference, let alone the best QB of all time. Thank you for again proving my point.

 

[EBF]

 

[hines]

this guy was amazing tonight. he has poor weapons at every spot around him and played an outstanding game vs a fired up USC defense

 

[cvnpoka]

hes surely overrated but hes proly the best prospect of all time so its not by much.

 

[CalBear]

He threw a pick-6 that could have cost them the game, and probably would have if not for a personal foul call on what would have been an incomplete pass on third down.Overall he played very well but it's not like he was perfect. He got lucky on another throw in the red zone where he heaved it while being tackled and it should have been picked. He seems inaccurate when he's moving directly towards the receiver he's throwing to.

 

[justdrop]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

 

[5Rings]

An NFL team can't make a personnel move these days without being accused of trying to get the #1 pick in the draft. Andrew Luck has been anointed as the future savior of every franchise from Seattle to Jacksonville and beyond. This is a guy who had one mediocre season (56.3% completions, 13 TD on 288 attempts), and one excellent season (70.7% completions, 32 TD 8 INT) against mediocre competition, with only two games out of 12 against teams which finished in the BCS top 25. The one game he played against a top team (Oregon) he threw two second-half interceptions, one when down by seven and one in the end zone when down by 14. Now going into 2011, he's lost four offensive lineman and his coach. His offensive line was stellar, allowing just nine sacks in 2009 and six in 2010. He looked great with no pressure, but that situation is likely to change this year. I will predict that Luck will complete less than 65% of his passes this year, have less than last year's 32 TDs, more than last year's 8 INTs, and be sacked more than 10 times. He may still go #1 overall but his image will be a lot less rosy in 2012 than it is now.Who's with me?

Your track record and bias from going to a second rate school work against you. Sorry.

 

[EBF]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

 

[EBF]

He threw a pick-6 that could have cost them the game, and probably would have if not for a personal foul call on what would have been an incomplete pass on third down.Overall he played very well but it's not like he was perfect. He got lucky on another throw in the red zone where he heaved it while being tackled and it should have been picked. He seems inaccurate when he's moving directly towards the receiver he's throwing to.

He could've played a better game, but at the end of the night he was 29/40 for 330 yards (8.1 yards per attempt), 3 TDs, and 1 INT. That's another stellar stat line. He hasn't had a bad game in eons. At some point you have to throw up your arms and admit that he's pretty good.

 

[justdrop]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

 

[justdrop]

He threw a pick-6 that could have cost them the game, and probably would have if not for a personal foul call on what would have been an incomplete pass on third down.Overall he played very well but it's not like he was perfect. He got lucky on another throw in the red zone where he heaved it while being tackled and it should have been picked. He seems inaccurate when he's moving directly towards the receiver he's throwing to.

He could've played a better game, but at the end of the night he was 29/40 for 330 yards (8.1 yards per attempt), 3 TDs, and 1 INT. That's another stellar stat line. He hasn't had a bad game in eons. At some point you have to throw up your arms and admit that he's pretty good.

That included a 60 yard pass on a trick play fooling a freshman safety. Luck did not live up to the hype tonight.

 

[EBF]

He threw a pick-6 that could have cost them the game, and probably would have if not for a personal foul call on what would have been an incomplete pass on third down.Overall he played very well but it's not like he was perfect. He got lucky on another throw in the red zone where he heaved it while being tackled and it should have been picked. He seems inaccurate when he's moving directly towards the receiver he's throwing to.

He could've played a better game, but at the end of the night he was 29/40 for 330 yards (8.1 yards per attempt), 3 TDs, and 1 INT. That's another stellar stat line. He hasn't had a bad game in eons. At some point you have to throw up your arms and admit that he's pretty good.

That included a 60 yard pass on a trick play fooling a freshman safety. Luck did not live up to the hype tonight.

Haha, okay.

 

[CalBear]

He threw a pick-6 that could have cost them the game, and probably would have if not for a personal foul call on what would have been an incomplete pass on third down.Overall he played very well but it's not like he was perfect. He got lucky on another throw in the red zone where he heaved it while being tackled and it should have been picked. He seems inaccurate when he's moving directly towards the receiver he's throwing to.

He could've played a better game, but at the end of the night he was 29/40 for 330 yards (8.1 yards per attempt), 3 TDs, and 1 INT. That's another stellar stat line. He hasn't had a bad game in eons. At some point you have to throw up your arms and admit that he's pretty good.

I haven't denied that he's pretty good. I have asserted that he's overrated, mostly because the ratings people are giving him are simply off the charts.

 

[bulger2holt]

If Luck played on the Rams with their bad o-line and lack or NFL caliber WR's, he would look worse than Bradford does this year.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I didn't watch the whole game but came away impressed with what I saw. He has excellent pocket awareness at this stage of development and seems very advanced at reading through progressions. He throws well on the run and moves pretty well. His surrounding cast seems below average which makes his performance on the field more impressive. He is not a perfect prospect however he looks to have the right skill set for the next level.

 

[Fly]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said... When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:-They couldn't establish an effective ground game-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before? And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said... When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:-They couldn't establish an effective ground game-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before? And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Cause he plays against inferior competition?

 

[Fly]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said... When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:-They couldn't establish an effective ground game-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before? And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Cause he plays against inferior competition?

USC is inferior competition?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I'll play.

Is he "overrated"?

Its going to be hard for him not to be. The hype is out of control.

He is going to be a very good QB in the NFL, barring injury. He as much of a sure thing as you can get in drafting a player.

But is he the next Peyton Manning? I doubt it. I think he may be more of a Rivers for now.

Truly "great" QBs in the NFL tend to have one thing in common - they have to overcome adversity.

Manning never won a national championship, despite being hyped every year.

Favre played on a team that was almost always an underdog to any division I team they played. It wasn't until late in their career did that team gain some respect. I still remember seeing him play/beat my Gators at Florida Field and wondering "who is this guy"?

Rogers has been slighted all along his career.

Luck is going to be solid. Is he overrated? I think he is overhyped.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem).

FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference.

Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks.

USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said...When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:

-They couldn't establish an effective ground game

-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.

-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.

-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.

So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before?

And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Cause he plays against inferior competition?

USC is inferior competition?

Does he play USC every week?edit to add schedule.

Sat., Sep. 3 vs. San Jose State Stanford Stadium W, 57-3

Sat., Sep. 10 at Duke Durham, NC W, 44-14

Sat., Sep. 17 at Arizona * Tucson, AZ W, 37-10

Sat., Oct. 1 vs. UCLA * Stanford Stadium W, 45-19

Sat., Oct. 8 vs. Colorado * Stanford Stadium W, 48-7

Sat., Oct. 15 at Washington State * Pullman, WA W, 44-14

Sat., Oct. 22 vs. Washington * Stanford Stadium W, 65-21

Sat., Oct. 29 at USC * Los Angeles, CA W, 56-48

Sat., Nov. 5 at Oregon State * Corvallis, OR 12:30 PM PT

Sat., Nov. 12 vs. Oregon * Stanford Stadium TBA

Sat., Nov. 19 vs. California * Stanford Stadium TBA

Sat., Nov. 26 vs. Notre Dame Stanford Stadium 5:00 PM PT

Fri., Dec. 2 Pac-12 Championship Game TBA TBA

Let me compare that to Tennessee's schedule (just a random SEC team, but you can pick any SEC team if you like)

09/03/11 vs. Montana Knoxville, Tenn. W, 42-16

09/10/11 vs. Cincinnati Knoxville, Tenn. W, 45-23

09/17/11 at Florida * Gainesville, Fla. L, 33-23

10/01/11 vs. Buffalo Knoxville, Tenn. W, 41-10

10/08/11 vs. Georgia * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 20-12

10/15/11 vs. LSU * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 38-7

10/22/11 at Alabama * Tuscaloosa, Ala. L, 37-6

10/29/11 vs. South Carolina * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 14-3

11/05/11 vs. Middle Tennessee State Knoxville, Tenn. 7:00 p.m. ET

11/12/11 at Arkansas * Fayetteville, Ark. TBA

11/19/11 vs. Vanderbilt * Knoxville, Tenn. TBA

11/26/11 at Kentucky * Lexington, Ky. TBA

4 easy vs. mostly easy. I would be singing the praises if he went through a LSU/Alabama/SC gauntlet with 2 sacks and 1 int.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

I don't know if he's overrated or not, but the amount of pressure on the guy is going to be enormous. With all of the hype about him being the greatest prospect since the beginning of time, it feels to me like he is being set up to fail. If he doesn't come out his rookie year and throw for 5,000 yards and 40TDs, people are going to start wondering if he's the biggest bust since Leaf

 

[Fly]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said... When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:-They couldn't establish an effective ground game-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before? And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Cause he plays against inferior competition?

USC is inferior competition?

Does he play USC every week?

Every point I made was in regards to the game against USC.

 

[Statorama]

This kind of talk convinced the Blazers to select Sam Bowie

 

[Hairy Snowman]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said... When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:-They couldn't establish an effective ground game-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before? And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Cause he plays against inferior competition?

USC is inferior competition?

Does he play USC every week?

Every point I made was in regards to the game against USC.

In that case my answer would be two overtime TDs (where he got the ball at the opponent's 25 yard line?)

 

[bulger2holt]

If Luck goes to a bad team with poor WR's and poor protection, he will be Bradford part 2.

 

[menobrown]

My brother is a casual football fan. He called me yesterday asking if any good games were on and I said the best game of the night is probably Stanford at USC but that's because I'm more interested in seeing the QB battle, specifically watching the guy considered to be the best QB prospect in years compete against a stiffer defense than he normally faces.

He texted me around halftime of the game to ask if the QB I was talking about played for USC.

Now as I said my brother is a casual football fan but this is the thing with Luck. If you were not told that he was the greatest prospect in years and were just tuning into a Stanford game would you know it? I can't say for myself because I was already biased by the hype before I ever saw Luck play but nothing about him just jumps out at me.

 

[Donnybrook]

If Luck goes to a bad team with poor WR's and poor protection, he will be Bradford part 2.

Is Bradford part 2 a bad thing? He will turn it around eventually. People were talking about St Louis early killer schedule before the season started.

 

[justdrop]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said... When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:-They couldn't establish an effective ground game-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before? And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Did you even watch the game? USC defense is extremely young and they had no depth. Luck took advantage of freshman LBs and Safetys and had his TEs wide open every single play. USC's freshman safety (D. Wright) got fooled on a 60 yd trick. They also committed two bone headed personal foul calls that extended drives. Why are you using his stats? It was 3OT game against a very tired team with 0 depth. He was very mediocre early on. Those stats are very inflating and misleadingYou act as if he just played the 49ers or something

 

[GDogg]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem).

FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference.

Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks.

USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said...When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:

-They couldn't establish an effective ground game

-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.

-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.

-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.

So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before?

And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Cause he plays against inferior competition?

USC is inferior competition?

Does he play USC every week?edit to add schedule.

Sat., Sep. 3 vs. San Jose State Stanford Stadium W, 57-3

Sat., Sep. 10 at Duke Durham, NC W, 44-14

Sat., Sep. 17 at Arizona * Tucson, AZ W, 37-10

Sat., Oct. 1 vs. UCLA * Stanford Stadium W, 45-19

Sat., Oct. 8 vs. Colorado * Stanford Stadium W, 48-7

Sat., Oct. 15 at Washington State * Pullman, WA W, 44-14

Sat., Oct. 22 vs. Washington * Stanford Stadium W, 65-21

Sat., Oct. 29 at USC * Los Angeles, CA W, 56-48

Sat., Nov. 5 at Oregon State * Corvallis, OR 12:30 PM PT

Sat., Nov. 12 vs. Oregon * Stanford Stadium TBA

Sat., Nov. 19 vs. California * Stanford Stadium TBA

Sat., Nov. 26 vs. Notre Dame Stanford Stadium 5:00 PM PT

Fri., Dec. 2 Pac-12 Championship Game TBA TBA

Let me compare that to Tennessee's schedule (just a random SEC team, but you can pick any SEC team if you like)

09/03/11 vs. Montana Knoxville, Tenn. W, 42-16

09/10/11 vs. Cincinnati Knoxville, Tenn. W, 45-23

09/17/11 at Florida * Gainesville, Fla. L, 33-23

10/01/11 vs. Buffalo Knoxville, Tenn. W, 41-10

10/08/11 vs. Georgia * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 20-12

10/15/11 vs. LSU * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 38-7

10/22/11 at Alabama * Tuscaloosa, Ala. L, 37-6

10/29/11 vs. South Carolina * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 14-3

11/05/11 vs. Middle Tennessee State Knoxville, Tenn. 7:00 p.m. ET

11/12/11 at Arkansas * Fayetteville, Ark. TBA

11/19/11 vs. Vanderbilt * Knoxville, Tenn. TBA

11/26/11 at Kentucky * Lexington, Ky. TBA

4 easy vs. mostly easy. I would be singing the praises if he went through a LSU/Alabama/SC gauntlet with 2 sacks and 1 int.

Washington and Notre Dame are considered "easy," but Vanderbilt and, even worse, Kentucky aren't? They are a combined 1-9 in the SEC and Kentucky's only wins are squeakers against Western Kentucky, Central Michigan and FCS Jacksonville St. Florida isn't exactly a world beater this year, either, if you're going to look at UW and ND as "easy."

 

[GDogg]

very unimpressive tonight. Not only Luck but Stanford as a whole. They would get blown out by Oklahoma State, LSU & Bama.

Despite their problems USC, still has first round talent at QB and WR, which matched up well with Stanford's biggest weakness (pass D). They had to give extra attention to Woods and Lee, which allowed Curtis McNeal to run wild. That would be less of a problem against Bama and LSU, who aren't quite as talented in the passing game (although OSU would pose the same problem). FWIW, Stanford was missing its best DB in this game (S Delano Howell). He's a vicious hitter and a great open field tackler. Might have made a difference. Stanford's offense could score on any of the teams you named. I know those SEC teams have monster d-lines, but Stanford's OL is excellent. DeCastro and Martin are expected to be first round NFL draft picks. USC is a good team. 6-1 entering this game, with their only loss against an underrated and solid ASU team. These teams would fare pretty well in any conference in the country.

USC's defense is very young and has no depth right now. Stanford Oline did not live up to the hype. In regulation, they only rushed 150 yards and Luck had pressure the entire game. Stanford played a cupcake schedule before tonight and everyone called Luck a HOF QB and with Stanford's Oline the greatest in recent memory. Sorry they didn't live up to the hype. They have 0 playmakers on offense and their defense flat out sucks. They will not be able to run on a good defense and, besides Luck, their only plus is their TEs.

Full disclosure before I start: I'm a Cal fan. That being said... When have people said that Stanford's Oline was the greatest in recent memory? They were actually a better unit last year than this year. Luck just gets rid of the ball so quickly that he makes that line look better than it is. What's funny is all the things you mentioned is why Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in the past ~25 years:-They couldn't establish an effective ground game-Their WRs are underwhelming. Owusu is solid but there are no standouts. Fleener only had one catch, plus a 2-pt conversion.-Stanford's OTs kept getting beat by USC's DEs which meant Luck was under constant duress.-Their defense was underwhelming and couldn't stop SC's WRs (Woods helped out the Cardinal a few times by dropping passes). Yet still, Stanford had the ball for 11 minutes more than SC.So how in the world does a QB put up a stat line of 29/40-330-3-1 with all of that? How does he complete 72.5% of his passes with 8.25 YPA while moving the chains and keeping the ball long enough to keep the opposition's offense off the field while throwing to an average receiving corps? And how many QBs do you know would have the poise and focus to lead his team down the field in 2 1/2 minutes to score a game-tying TD after throwing a devastating pick-six just moments before? And let's not forget this is probably the worst he's looked all season.

Did you even watch the game? USC defense is extremely young and they had no depth. Luck took advantage of freshman LBs and Safetys and had his TEs wide open every single play. USC's freshman safety (D. Wright) got fooled on a 60 yd trick. They also committed two bone headed personal foul calls that extended drives. Why are you using his stats? It was 3OT game against a very tired team with 0 depth. He was very mediocre early on. Those stats are very inflating and misleadingYou act as if he just played the 49ers or something

Maybe not the 49ers, but he was playing one of the 5 or so most talented teams in the country. Southern Cal has 53 players that were ranked in the top 25 at their position coming out of high school. 20 of their players were ranked among the top 5 at their position in the country coming out of high school. They've got a lot of talent.

 

[CalBear]

Update after the Oregon game:

27/41, 271 yards (6.6 ypa), 3 TD 2 INT. One INT wasn't his fault, but the other one looked very similar to his pick-6 against USC, a questionable read and a sideline throw with not enough zip on it.

Stanford didn't lose this game because of Luck, but he didn't play like the next Peyton Manning, either. Will the hype around him start to quiet down? The hype cycle always goes from the Peak of Inflated Expectations into the Trough of Disillusionment; I think Luck's hype may be on the downswing.

 

[biggamer3]

Luck played well, his receivers were terrible. At least five passes were dropped

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Let's not forget slow Stanford D. Oregon just had too much speed.

 

[King of the Jungle]

He is playing in a offense that is not explosive and lacks any standout playmakers. He does not have a rocket arm but other than that he is a great qb prospect. Good mobility, great football IQ, moves through progressions....etc. He is not can't miss, but he is one heck of a football player.

 

[liamrock54]

I seem to remember Peyton Manning looking very average on a yearly basis vs Florida while he was at Tennessee.

Luck will be alright. Not his fault that Stanford has no legitimate wideouts.

 

[BassNBrew]

Watched Luck for the first time last night and came away less than impressed. Does his ball always flutter like that? Maybe I was expecting too much, but Luck appeared to be light years behind Cam Newton.

 

[Topes]

Anyone else tired of hearing about this guy?Who's with me?

In.