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He says that the plan will cost 50-60 billion dollars and that it will be paid for by letting the Bush tax cuts for people earning over $250k to expire.

My guess is that plan will be underfunded from the get go with the balance made up of new taxes in addition to letting the Bush tax cuts expire. You could probably double that projection. He also say that they will pressure the pharmaceutical companies to lower their profits and allow customers to buy drugs from international companies. Who will pay for the oversight of the international drug companies?
Pssssh...50-60 billion? That's it? Isn't that what good ol' GWB is burning through every few months keeping the war funded? Helloooo?!? No war = more money for healthcare!

Obama in '08!

:shock:

 
He says that the plan will cost 50-60 billion dollars and that it will be paid for by letting the Bush tax cuts for people earning over $250k to expire.

My guess is that plan will be underfunded from the get go with the balance made up of new taxes in addition to letting the Bush tax cuts expire. You could probably double that projection. He also say that they will pressure the pharmaceutical companies to lower their profits and allow customers to buy drugs from international companies. Who will pay for the oversight of the international drug companies?
Pssssh...50-60 billion? That's it? Isn't that what good ol' GWB is burning through every few months keeping the war funded? Helloooo?!? No war = more money for healthcare!

Obama in '08!

:headbang:
ohmigosh..what was I thinking. Of course!
 
As I listen to Obama's speech tonite, I observe he remains on the political "high road" by running a clean and positive campaign. But Hillary is still the front-runner. The book says that at some point you must turn negative to try to bait-and-switch your opponent into saying something they regret. The risk is obvious - it wrecks Obama's image as the hopeful idealist. But time is running out, and at some point he will have to take the low road.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp
Obama hints of sharper edge vs. Clinton

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 25 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama talked of introducing some Chicago smackdown to his politics of hope Wednesday, seeking a rebound after Hillary Rodham Clinton grasped victory in the New Hampshire primary. In the wide-open Republican contest, John McCain pressed to build on his New Hampshire win and named experience, knowledge and judgment as his calling cards in the races ahead.

Clinton pored over election strategy in the first blush of her surprising success and indicated she'd compete in every big Democratic contest coming up this month rather than try to cherry pick her way to the nomination.

"I'm going to keep going as we take on all the rest of the contests between now and February 5th," she said, back home in New York to "get grounded and take a deep breath" after a victory that surprised her own campaign, confounded the pollsters and shocked nearly everyone else. Two dozen states vote Feb. 5.

Obama responded not just to his Democratic rival's New Hampshire primary win but to attacks on him by her husband, former President Clinton

"I think that Senator Clinton, obviously, is a formidable and tough candidate, and we have to make sure that we take it to them just like they take it to us," the Illinois senator said. "I come from Chicago politics. We're accustomed to rough and tumble."
Sounds like he might be ready to go negative.
:shrug: Let's go. There are ways to fight back without being super negative. Bill Clinton out speaking for his wife in college towns calling Obama's stance on Iraq a "Fairy Tale" bothered me. I feel like people are voting for him rather than her sometimes (hell, he probably will have a huge role in her purported presidency and that is just another reason to NOT vote for her. This American Aristocracy of Bush and Clinton must end . . . 1988 through 2012!?!?! Just Say No)
What was wrong with Bill??
 
this does not surprise me at all. she'll lead him in Florida though...
Good, they don't have delegates this time, right?
It will still be looked at as a momentum check heading into Super Tuesday. Hopefully if Obama wins Nevada and SC (knock on wood), it won't lead to same kind of expectations that were built up pre-New Hampshire.
 
this does not surprise me at all. she'll lead him in Florida though...
Good, they don't have delegates this time, right?
It will still be looked at as a momentum check heading into Super Tuesday. Hopefully if Obama wins Nevada and SC (knock on wood), it won't lead to same kind of expectations that were built up pre-New Hampshire.
Well, if we can learn anything from NH, momentum doesn't mean a whole lot necessarily.
 
this does not surprise me at all. she'll lead him in Florida though...
Good, they don't have delegates this time, right?
ha. i was listening to NPR and one of the commentators said how he thought Obama could pick up California. They allow independents to vote in the Dem primary there. What we've seen in the polling thusfar is that he draws more indies than Hillary. I read the other day - post NH - a key difference between her voters and his are questions of economy vs Iraq. if the economy continues to grab the headlines over the war, hillary may win the nomination.
 
this does not surprise me at all. she'll lead him in Florida though...
Good, they don't have delegates this time, right?
It will still be looked at as a momentum check heading into Super Tuesday. Hopefully if Obama wins Nevada and SC (knock on wood), it won't lead to same kind of expectations that were built up pre-New Hampshire.
Well, if we can learn anything from NH, momentum doesn't mean a whole lot necessarily.
I think it does. To use a football analogy, Obama has a good offense. Hillary scored on a trick play but she won't be able to go there again.
 
I read the other day - post NH - a key difference between her voters and his are questions of economy vs Iraq. if the economy continues to grab the headlines over the war, hillary may win the nomination.
Ungood. I think the economy will continue to get worse and the situation in Iraq will stay the same or improve.
 
this does not surprise me at all. she'll lead him in Florida though...
Good, they don't have delegates this time, right?
It will still be looked at as a momentum check heading into Super Tuesday. Hopefully if Obama wins Nevada and SC (knock on wood), it won't lead to same kind of expectations that were built up pre-New Hampshire.
Well, if we can learn anything from NH, momentum doesn't mean a whole lot necessarily.
I think it does. To use a football analogy, Obama has a good offense. Hillary scored on a trick play but she won't be able to go there again.
I tend to agree. I think NV will be really telling to see who really can rally the troops. I also think if he blows her out of SC with the black vote, it'll really put her on her heals again going into Super Tuesday even if she wins Fla.Having said that, I don't think anything will be decided fo awhile.

 
I read the other day - post NH - a key difference between her voters and his are questions of economy vs Iraq. if the economy continues to grab the headlines over the war, hillary may win the nomination.
Ungood. I think the economy will continue to get worse and the situation in Iraq will stay the same or improve.
Yeah, I think a sense of war weariness has set in already with the public and, consequently, the media. however, it may be a matter of obama putting more emphasis on his fiscal policies and plans to draw those concerned voters. if all the talk is about the economy then i'm confident he'll shift his message to that. he's a one note candidate like a ned lamont...
 
As I listen to Obama's speech tonite, I observe he remains on the political "high road" by running a clean and positive campaign. But Hillary is still the front-runner. The book says that at some point you must turn negative to try to bait-and-switch your opponent into saying something they regret. The risk is obvious - it wrecks Obama's image as the hopeful idealist. But time is running out, and at some point he will have to take the low road.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp
Obama hints of sharper edge vs. Clinton

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 25 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama talked of introducing some Chicago smackdown to his politics of hope Wednesday, seeking a rebound after Hillary Rodham Clinton grasped victory in the New Hampshire primary. In the wide-open Republican contest, John McCain pressed to build on his New Hampshire win and named experience, knowledge and judgment as his calling cards in the races ahead.

Clinton pored over election strategy in the first blush of her surprising success and indicated she'd compete in every big Democratic contest coming up this month rather than try to cherry pick her way to the nomination.

"I'm going to keep going as we take on all the rest of the contests between now and February 5th," she said, back home in New York to "get grounded and take a deep breath" after a victory that surprised her own campaign, confounded the pollsters and shocked nearly everyone else. Two dozen states vote Feb. 5.

Obama responded not just to his Democratic rival's New Hampshire primary win but to attacks on him by her husband, former President Clinton

"I think that Senator Clinton, obviously, is a formidable and tough candidate, and we have to make sure that we take it to them just like they take it to us," the Illinois senator said. "I come from Chicago politics. We're accustomed to rough and tumble."
Sounds like he might be ready to go negative.
:coffee: Let's go. There are ways to fight back without being super negative. Bill Clinton out speaking for his wife in college towns calling Obama's stance on Iraq a "Fairy Tale" bothered me. I feel like people are voting for him rather than her sometimes (hell, he probably will have a huge role in her purported presidency and that is just another reason to NOT vote for her. This American Aristocracy of Bush and Clinton must end . . . 1988 through 2012!?!?! Just Say No)
What was wrong with Bill??
People should be voting for Obama or Hillary, not harking back to the 90s and essentially voting for Bill. I personally didnt have a problem with him, but about 50% of America does. Just going to be the same old bull#### if Hillary is in. I dont know that Obama CAN do what he says about change in America and politics, but I know that Hillary CANT.
 
As I listen to Obama's speech tonite, I observe he remains on the political "high road" by running a clean and positive campaign. But Hillary is still the front-runner. The book says that at some point you must turn negative to try to bait-and-switch your opponent into saying something they regret. The risk is obvious - it wrecks Obama's image as the hopeful idealist. But time is running out, and at some point he will have to take the low road.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp
Obama hints of sharper edge vs. Clinton

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 25 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama talked of introducing some Chicago smackdown to his politics of hope Wednesday, seeking a rebound after Hillary Rodham Clinton grasped victory in the New Hampshire primary. In the wide-open Republican contest, John McCain pressed to build on his New Hampshire win and named experience, knowledge and judgment as his calling cards in the races ahead.

Clinton pored over election strategy in the first blush of her surprising success and indicated she'd compete in every big Democratic contest coming up this month rather than try to cherry pick her way to the nomination.

"I'm going to keep going as we take on all the rest of the contests between now and February 5th," she said, back home in New York to "get grounded and take a deep breath" after a victory that surprised her own campaign, confounded the pollsters and shocked nearly everyone else. Two dozen states vote Feb. 5.

Obama responded not just to his Democratic rival's New Hampshire primary win but to attacks on him by her husband, former President Clinton

"I think that Senator Clinton, obviously, is a formidable and tough candidate, and we have to make sure that we take it to them just like they take it to us," the Illinois senator said. "I come from Chicago politics. We're accustomed to rough and tumble."
Sounds like he might be ready to go negative.
:headbang: Let's go. There are ways to fight back without being super negative. Bill Clinton out speaking for his wife in college towns calling Obama's stance on Iraq a "Fairy Tale" bothered me. I feel like people are voting for him rather than her sometimes (hell, he probably will have a huge role in her purported presidency and that is just another reason to NOT vote for her. This American Aristocracy of Bush and Clinton must end . . . 1988 through 2012!?!?! Just Say No)
What was wrong with Bill??
People should be voting for Obama or Hillary, not harking back to the 90s and essentially voting for Bill. I personally didnt have a problem with him, but about 50% of America does. Just going to be the same old bull#### if Hillary is in. I dont know that Obama CAN do what he says about change in America and politics, but I know that Hillary CANT.
I have a newsflash for you....none of them will do what they say. All I know is that the economy was great when Bill was president. I don't know if he had anything to do with it or not. For me, it's all about the economy.
 
Kerry endorsing Obama.No idea if that's a good thing. :blackdot:
This is what I was thinking. :unsure:Just when things were starting to steam roll for him, I thought this announcement might be a detriment to his future success.p.s.I voted for Kerry.
 
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Kerry endorsing Obama.No idea if that's a good thing. :yawn:
This is what I was thinking. :hifive:Just when things were starting to steam roll for him, I thought this announcement might be a detriment to his future success.p.s.I voted for Kerry.
I think it is mostly irrelevant, but if it leads to more prominent Democrats backing Obama as the candidate most likely to win in November and the best platform to lead the party it could be a good thing. I certainly don't see it hurting since for the most part people will have forgotten about it by tomorrow.
 
Kerry endorsing Obama.No idea if that's a good thing. :no:
This is what I was thinking. :rolleyes:Just when things were starting to steam roll for him, I thought this announcement might be a detriment to his future success.p.s.I voted for Kerry.
I think it is mostly irrelevant, but if it leads to more prominent Democrats backing Obama as the candidate most likely to win in November and the best platform to lead the party it could be a good thing. I certainly don't see it hurting since for the most part people will have forgotten about it by tomorrow.
3 million email addresses probably won't hurt either.
 
Kerry endorsing Obama.No idea if that's a good thing. :confused:
This is what I was thinking. :hifive:Just when things were starting to steam roll for him, I thought this announcement might be a detriment to his future success.p.s.I voted for Kerry.
I think it is mostly irrelevant, but if it leads to more prominent Democrats backing Obama as the candidate most likely to win in November and the best platform to lead the party it could be a good thing. I certainly don't see it hurting since for the most part people will have forgotten about it by tomorrow.
It may help a little with organization and a little with fund raising.
 
NorvilleBarnes said:
The Juggernaut said:
Sammy3469 said:
He picked up Kerry's endorsement today which comes with a 3 million person e-mail list.
Picked up the Nevada Cullinary Workers Union as well. I guess it's Nevada's biggest union.
Neither one of those endoresements get me too excited.
The Union endorsement was huge and was one more nail in Edwards coffin. As for the Kerry thing Obama needs some people in the party to start supporting him over Hillary. So in that sense the Kerry endorsement is actually a big deal.
 
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He also got an endorsement of Rep. George Miller today who is a close Pelosi confidant...ie he wouldn't do it without her OK (like Kerry I'm not sure I'd want a Pelosi endorsement anyway), so it looks like a lot of the non-died-in-the-wool DLC establisment is lining up behind him.

It'll be interesting to see if Richardson endorses Obama especially since it looks like Obama is trying to play to Hispanics.

 
He also got an endorsement of Rep. George Miller today who is a close Pelosi confidant...ie he wouldn't do it without her OK (like Kerry I'm not sure I'd want a Pelosi endorsement anyway), so it looks like a lot of the non-died-in-the-wool DLC establisment is lining up behind him. It'll be interesting to see if Richardson endorses Obama especially since it looks like Obama is trying to play to Hispanics.
I believe there is a real split in the party between the Clinton DLC GOP lite types and Dems who want to be more like, well Democrats. This election will go a long way toward deciding who ends up holding the reins.
 
NorvilleBarnes said:
The Juggernaut said:
Sammy3469 said:
He picked up Kerry's endorsement today which comes with a 3 million person e-mail list.
Picked up the Nevada Cullinary Workers Union as well. I guess it's Nevada's biggest union.
Neither one of those endoresements get me too excited.
The Union endorsement was huge and was one more nail in Edwards coffin.
I guess I just can't imagine myself ever voting for someone because I belong to a union and they endorse a candidate.
 
adonis said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
adonis said:
saintfool said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
this does not surprise me at all. she'll lead him in Florida though...
Good, they don't have delegates this time, right?
It will still be looked at as a momentum check heading into Super Tuesday. Hopefully if Obama wins Nevada and SC (knock on wood), it won't lead to same kind of expectations that were built up pre-New Hampshire.
Well, if we can learn anything from NH, momentum doesn't mean a whole lot necessarily.
nor polls. :unsure:

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
The Juggernaut said:
Sammy3469 said:
He picked up Kerry's endorsement today which comes with a 3 million person e-mail list.
Picked up the Nevada Cullinary Workers Union as well. I guess it's Nevada's biggest union.
Neither one of those endoresements get me too excited.
The Union endorsement was huge and was one more nail in Edwards coffin.
I guess I just can't imagine myself ever voting for someone because I belong to a union and they endorse a candidate.
Don't the unions do a bunch of "get out the vote" stuff? I think the union endorsements are important because of the resources they commit to the candidate.
 
NorvilleBarnes said:
The Juggernaut said:
Sammy3469 said:
He picked up Kerry's endorsement today which comes with a 3 million person e-mail list.
Picked up the Nevada Cullinary Workers Union as well. I guess it's Nevada's biggest union.
Neither one of those endoresements get me too excited.
The Union endorsement was huge and was one more nail in Edwards coffin.
I guess I just can't imagine myself ever voting for someone because I belong to a union and they endorse a candidate.
Don't the unions do a bunch of "get out the vote" stuff? I think the union endorsements are important because of the resources they commit to the candidate.
Yep. Instant on the ground infrastructure for whoever they support. That endorsement is huge in Nevada that's why everyone has been begging them for it including Hillary.
 
He also got an endorsement of Rep. George Miller today who is a close Pelosi confidant...ie he wouldn't do it without her OK (like Kerry I'm not sure I'd want a Pelosi endorsement anyway), so it looks like a lot of the non-died-in-the-wool DLC establisment is lining up behind him. It'll be interesting to see if Richardson endorses Obama especially since it looks like Obama is trying to play to Hispanics.
:wub:The Kerry thing is a good sign, even if everyone agrees he sucks.
 
NorvilleBarnes said:
The Juggernaut said:
Sammy3469 said:
He picked up Kerry's endorsement today which comes with a 3 million person e-mail list.
Picked up the Nevada Cullinary Workers Union as well. I guess it's Nevada's biggest union.
Neither one of those endoresements get me too excited.
The Union endorsement was huge and was one more nail in Edwards coffin.
I guess I just can't imagine myself ever voting for someone because I belong to a union and they endorse a candidate.
Don't the unions do a bunch of "get out the vote" stuff? I think the union endorsements are important because of the resources they commit to the candidate.
yeah...supposeedly the union is committed to having at least 10,000 members at the caucus which is a pretty big number when the expected turnout is 30-100,000 (ie no one has a clue how many people will actually show up on that Sat).
 
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NorvilleBarnes said:
The Juggernaut said:
Sammy3469 said:
He picked up Kerry's endorsement today which comes with a 3 million person e-mail list.
Picked up the Nevada Cullinary Workers Union as well. I guess it's Nevada's biggest union.
Neither one of those endoresements get me too excited.
The Union endorsement was huge and was one more nail in Edwards coffin.
I guess I just can't imagine myself ever voting for someone because I belong to a union and they endorse a candidate.
:thumbup: Isn't that what the Republican and Democratic party is? They vote blindly for a candidate simply because they are Republican or Democratic and they "normally" agree with that parties views any way.

This is the way I feel about any political party.

That's why I'm independent. I like to hear what all candidates have to say/offer regardless of which party they are with.

I can't see myself going into a voting booth and going: "Well, I'm R/D. Who's the R/D candidate I can vote for?" Just seems ignorant, blind, and irresponsible to me. :shrug:

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
The Juggernaut said:
Sammy3469 said:
He picked up Kerry's endorsement today which comes with a 3 million person e-mail list.
Picked up the Nevada Cullinary Workers Union as well. I guess it's Nevada's biggest union.
Neither one of those endoresements get me too excited.
The Union endorsement was huge and was one more nail in Edwards coffin.
I guess I just can't imagine myself ever voting for someone because I belong to a union and they endorse a candidate.
:goodposting: Isn't that what the Republican and Democratic party is? They vote blindly for a candidate simply because they are Republican or Democratic and they "normally" agree with that parties views any way.

This is the way I feel about any political party.

That's why I'm independent. I like to hear what all candidates have to say/offer regardless of which party they are with.

I can't see myself going into a voting booth and going: "Well, I'm R/D. Who's the R/D candidate I can vote for?" Just seems ignorant, blind, and irresponsible to me. :lmao:
There are a certain percentage that do this for sure. But not evey party member votes the line. For example if Hillary is the nom she will not get my vote. I don't see any GOPers I'd vote for either. So I will just skip the top of the ticket.
 
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For those too lazy to read the innernetz Obama has proposed an orderly, phased withdrawal from Iraq.His health care proposals are not mandatory like Edwards and Clinton's, except for children, who can't insure themselves.
Bill Clinton HIGHLIGHTED his 1992 campaign by proposing a middle-class tax cut. After his inauguration, he held his infamous "rose garden presser" where he said that now that he had a look at the numbers, it wasn't going to work and he needed to raise taxes on the middle class. This was the infamous "Call to Sacrifice" agenda.So don't ever tell me what any politician proposes = what they believe. Especially when they are running for the White House. When I vote for president, I want a guy with a strong track record. Obama doesn't have that. He has no experience.
Who was the last President to balance the budget?
 
For those too lazy to read the innernetz Obama has proposed an orderly, phased withdrawal from Iraq.His health care proposals are not mandatory like Edwards and Clinton's, except for children, who can't insure themselves.
Bill Clinton HIGHLIGHTED his 1992 campaign by proposing a middle-class tax cut. After his inauguration, he held his infamous "rose garden presser" where he said that now that he had a look at the numbers, it wasn't going to work and he needed to raise taxes on the middle class. This was the infamous "Call to Sacrifice" agenda.So don't ever tell me what any politician proposes = what they believe. Especially when they are running for the White House. When I vote for president, I want a guy with a strong track record. Obama doesn't have that. He has no experience.
Who was the last President to balance the budget?
:fishing:
 
For those too lazy to read the innernetz Obama has proposed an orderly, phased withdrawal from Iraq.His health care proposals are not mandatory like Edwards and Clinton's, except for children, who can't insure themselves.
Bill Clinton HIGHLIGHTED his 1992 campaign by proposing a middle-class tax cut. After his inauguration, he held his infamous "rose garden presser" where he said that now that he had a look at the numbers, it wasn't going to work and he needed to raise taxes on the middle class. This was the infamous "Call to Sacrifice" agenda.So don't ever tell me what any politician proposes = what they believe. Especially when they are running for the White House. When I vote for president, I want a guy with a strong track record. Obama doesn't have that. He has no experience.
Who was the last President to balance the budget?
:thumbup:
What does Bill Clinton balancing the budget have to do with Obama ?
 
Jesse Jackson is supporting Barack Obama.His wife is supporting Hillary Clinton. :confused:
I think this resembles a lot of Democratic households, including mine.
Mine too.And my parents'.
Mine too, although I think I have started to win my wife over to the good side. :confused:You will be despondent to know, however, that my Mother was making some insane talk about hoping that Huckabee wins the Republican nomination so she can vote for him. We may need perform an intervention.
 
Jesse Jackson is supporting Barack Obama.His wife is supporting Hillary Clinton. :thumbup:
I think this resembles a lot of Democratic households, including mine.
Mine too.And my parents'.
Mine too, although I think I have started to win my wife over to the good side. :bow:You will be despondent to know, however, that my Mother was making some insane talk about hoping that Huckabee wins the Republican nomination so she can vote for him. We may need perform an intervention.
Yeah, my mom was telling me that your mom had been eating the fundie fruit loops. Did she get a personality transplant or something?
 
Jesse Jackson is supporting Barack Obama.His wife is supporting Hillary Clinton. :thumbup:
I think this resembles a lot of Democratic households, including mine.
Mine too.And my parents'.
Mine too, although I think I have started to win my wife over to the good side. :bow:You will be despondent to know, however, that my Mother was making some insane talk about hoping that Huckabee wins the Republican nomination so she can vote for him. We may need perform an intervention.
Yeah, my mom was telling me that your mom had been eating the fundie fruit loops. Did she get a personality transplant or something?
Naw, just hanging around with a bad crowd these days.
 
Obama leading in Georgia

On the Democratic side, Obama, a senator from Illinois, was supported by 36 percent of those surveyed and Clinton, a New York senator, by 33 percent, the newspaper said. Former North Carolina Senator John Edwards was third at 14 percent.

Obama picks up endorsements

Presidential hopeful Barack Obama has won the endorsement of two fellow Democratic senators from the heartland — Ben Nelson, a popular moderate in largely Republican Nebraska and Claire McCaskill from Missouri, historically a bellwether in presidential contests

 
If Edwards dropped out and threw his support to Barrack, what percentage would defect to Hillary? I think 20% or less, so that there would be an 80% conversion rate, handing Barrack the nomination.

 
If Edwards dropped out and threw his support to Barrack, what percentage would defect to Hillary? I think 20% or less, so that there would be an 80% conversion rate, handing Barrack the nomination.
That's a good question. I'm not sure what the makeup of his followers are - what demographics he attracts.BTW, Barack has one R.
 
If Edwards dropped out and threw his support to Barrack, what percentage would defect to Hillary? I think 20% or less, so that there would be an 80% conversion rate, handing Barrack the nomination.
I'd have to think 75% or so. I really hope he drops out before Super Tuesday, but I'm afraid he won't. What the hell else does he have to do?
 
If Edwards dropped out and threw his support to Barrack, what percentage would defect to Hillary? I think 20% or less, so that there would be an 80% conversion rate, handing Barrack the nomination.
I'd have to think 75% or so. I really hope he drops out before Super Tuesday, but I'm afraid he won't. What the hell else does he have to do?
If he loses his home state of South Carolina I think he is out, especially if he comes in 3rd. I also think the vast majority of Edwards supporters flock to Obama.
 

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