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[adonis]

McGovern, former Clinton backer, endorses ObamaBy DENNIS GALEThe Associated PressWednesday, May 7, 2008; 12:01 PMSIOUX FALLS, S.D. -- Former Sen. George McGovern, an early supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, urged her to drop out of the Democratic presidential race and endorsed her rival, Barack Obama.After watching the returns from the North Carolina and Indiana primaries Tuesday night, McGovern said Wednesday it's virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination. The 1972 Democratic presidential nominee said he had a call in to former President Clinton to tell him of the decision, adding that he remains close friends with the Clintons."I will hold them in affection and admiration all of my days," he said of the Clintons.McGovern's announcement comes a day before Clinton was scheduled to travel to South Dakota to campaign. The state holds its primary June 3 with 15 pledged delegates at stake.McGovern said he had no regrets about endorsing Hillary Clinton months ago, even before the Iowa caucuses."She has run a valiant campaign. And she will remain an influential voice in the American future," he said.But Obama has won the nomination "by any practical test" and is very close to a majority of the pledged delegates, said McGovern, who is 85. Obama moved within 200 delegates of clinching the nomination with his split decision on Tuesday of a win in North Carolina and a narrow loss in Indiana.It's time to unite the Democratic Party, he said."Hillary, of course, will make the decision as to if and when she ends her campaign. But I hope that she reaches that decision soon so that we can concentrate on a unified party capable of winning the White House next November," he said.McGovern is not a superdelegate, one of the prominent Democrats who has a vote at the national convention.

 

[Spiderman]

Also, the Clinton supported with the glasses who was on via satellite is a whiny tool (for lack of a better word). He has nothing to say but pre-made talking points. The other Clinton supporters are much better.

Lanny Davis. And, yes, he was a tool last night.

Lanny Davis is one of the worst guests around. Nice guy, but does nothing but recite talking points.

 

[SofaKings]

I just want to know if Obama pulls this one out if all his supporters in this thread are going to celebrate with a latte?

I think he should embrace being called an elitist."At the Obama campaign we're better than you, and we know it."

Think? He and his supporters already have embraced that line of thinking.

 

[culdeus]

$25 GIVEN TODAY!

Really, I don't think he needs the cash anymore.

 

[Jeremy]

Also, the Clinton supported with the glasses who was on via satellite is a whiny tool (for lack of a better word). He has nothing to say but pre-made talking points. The other Clinton supporters are much better.

Lanny Davis. And, yes, he was a tool last night.

Is that the old guy who was pissing and moaning about how unfair they were being to Hillary and complaining that "they didn't REALLY want to talk to him" (implying they wanted to keep gushing over Obama some more instead)? That guy was whiny. At one point I think Anderson Cooper joked that maybe they really didn't want to talk to him (if he was just going to be whining the whole time).

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Scorch the earth HRC! SCORCH IT!

Why won't you go away? How sad is it that HRC is paying her own way? If people wanted you to stay in the race, those people would give you the money to campaign.

Pssst Hillary, you are done!

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

McGovern, former Clinton backer, endorses ObamaBy DENNIS GALEThe Associated PressWednesday, May 7, 2008; 12:01 PMSIOUX FALLS, S.D. -- Former Sen. George McGovern, an early supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, urged her to drop out of the Democratic presidential race and endorsed her rival, Barack Obama.After watching the returns from the North Carolina and Indiana primaries Tuesday night, McGovern said Wednesday it's virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination. The 1972 Democratic presidential nominee said he had a call in to former President Clinton to tell him of the decision, adding that he remains close friends with the Clintons."I will hold them in affection and admiration all of my days," he said of the Clintons.McGovern's announcement comes a day before Clinton was scheduled to travel to South Dakota to campaign. The state holds its primary June 3 with 15 pledged delegates at stake.McGovern said he had no regrets about endorsing Hillary Clinton months ago, even before the Iowa caucuses."She has run a valiant campaign. And she will remain an influential voice in the American future," he said.But Obama has won the nomination "by any practical test" and is very close to a majority of the pledged delegates, said McGovern, who is 85. Obama moved within 200 delegates of clinching the nomination with his split decision on Tuesday of a win in North Carolina and a narrow loss in Indiana.It's time to unite the Democratic Party, he said."Hillary, of course, will make the decision as to if and when she ends her campaign. But I hope that she reaches that decision soon so that we can concentrate on a unified party capable of winning the White House next November," he said.McGovern is not a superdelegate, one of the prominent Democrats who has a vote at the national convention.

We're only going to see more and more of this until she drops out. I hope her campaign doesn't turn patheitc.

 

[Pai Mei]

North Carolina democrat superdelegate Heath Shuler (yes the ex-QB) has just declared for Hillary Clinton.

 

[shining path]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them.

If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

BGP, I'm a big fan, but when you make absolutely ridiculous comments like this, you really appear to have lost touch with reality.I'm very much a leftist, but you don't see me making stupid comments like "the republicans will eliminate taxes altogether, enslave minorities, and end welfare". C'mon bro - let's at least stay in the real world. You can be conservative without sounding insane.

It's mostly shtick at this point. And to be honest, pretty good shtick.

 

[adonis]

I read somewhere that today Hillary is having trouble finding any superdelegates that want to talk to or meet with her. Losing huge in NC, barely squeaking out a victor in Indiana, loaning her campaign 6.4 million, down in states, delegates, popular vote. Certainly not where she wants to be.

The dam is experiencing huge amounts of pressure right now. We only need several holes to spring, and the water can start flowing freely, washing hillary away in its torrential downpour.

 

[Fennis]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them. If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

 

[adonis]

North Carolina democrat superdelegate Heath Shuler (yes the ex-QB) has just declared for Hillary Clinton.

Ah yes, it must've been her 14% loss in his state that pushed him over the edge to support her.Actually, the real story is that he said he'd throw his support to whomever won his district, which of course was going to be Hillary. It's not anything to do with him thinking her more electable, or the better choice, or anything of the sort. But it's a vote for her, nonetheless.

North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler is throwing his superdelegate endorsement to Clinton. Note that Shuler said he would back whomever won his congressional district. Clinton was widely expected to win the district (CD-11), which borders Tennesse. She did so -- by 13 points.Shuler is one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress and won election to CD-11 as part of the Democratic wave in 2006 .

 

[Pai Mei]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them.

If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

BGP, I'm a big fan, but when you make absolutely ridiculous comments like this, you really appear to have lost touch with reality.I'm very much a leftist, but you don't see me making stupid comments like "the republicans will eliminate taxes altogether, enslave minorities, and end welfare". C'mon bro - let's at least stay in the real world. You can be conservative without sounding insane.

It's mostly shtick at this point. And to be honest, pretty good shtick.

I know it sounds like a joke but this crap actually happens. The democrats seriously came out in 1993 and made a "call to sacrifice" and pledged to hike taxes on everyone. They got huge blowback from that. And then you had Jocelyn Elders who took office as surgeon general and immediately promoted teaching masturbation in schools. You can't make this stuff up. If you think they aren't going to go wacko again and do things like attack Christmas, you are in for a surprise.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

North Carolina democrat superdelegate Heath Shuler (yes the ex-QB) has just declared for Hillary Clinton.

Um . . . delay of game?

 

[shining path]

North Carolina democrat superdelegate Heath Shuler (yes the ex-QB) has just declared for Hillary Clinton.

Um . . . delay of game?

Just who the Clinton campaign needs to lead their desperation 4th quarter drive.

 

[djcolts]

Also, the Clinton supported with the glasses who was on via satellite is a whiny tool (for lack of a better word). He has nothing to say but pre-made talking points. The other Clinton supporters are much better.

Lanny Davis. And, yes, he was a tool last night.

Is that the old guy who was pissing and moaning about how unfair they were being to Hillary and complaining that "they didn't REALLY want to talk to him" (implying they wanted to keep gushing over Obama some more instead)? That guy was whiny. At one point I think Anderson Cooper joked that maybe they really didn't want to talk to him (if he was just going to be whining the whole time).

Yep - that's him.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

North Carolina democrat superdelegate Heath Shuler (yes the ex-QB) has just declared for Hillary Clinton.

Um . . . delay of game?

Solid.If Jeb Bush is the GOP nominee in 2012 I will throw up in my mouth.

 

[Pai Mei]

I mean think about that. The democrats took control of the entire goverment in 1993. And their first order of business was to hike taxes and promote teaching masturbation in schools. I'm not kidding. They actually did that. That was the sum of their grand vision for their honeymoon. And then their support cratered.

 

[adonis]

WASHINGTON -



Barack Obama pocketed the support of at least four Democratic convention superdelegates on Wednesday, building on the momentum from a convincing North Carolina primary victory. Rival Hillary Rodham Clinton disclosed she had loaned her strapped campaign an additional $6.4 million in recent weeks.

Clinton showed no sign of surrender in the presidential race, but former Sen. George McGovern, the party's 1972 presidential candidate, urged her to reconsider.

Obama was at home in Chicago during the day as his aides spread word that he would soon begin campaigning in states likely to be pivotal in the fall campaign. They also relayed word of the four endorsements, expected to be made public later in the day. Both disclosures were meant to signal fresh confidence that the nomination was quickly coming into his possession after a grueling marathon across 15 months and nearly all 50 states.

The former first lady campaigned in West Virginia, site of next week's primary, in a hastily arranged appearance meant to underscore her determination to stay the course. She also arranged a private meeting later in the day with uncommitted superdelegates.

Clinton won the Indiana primary narrowly early Wednesday, but the overall impact of the night's two contests was to lengthen Obama's lead in national convention delegates without fundamentally altering the nature of the race.

Obama has 1,840.5 delegates to 1,688 for Clinton in The Associated Press tally. It takes 2,025 delegates to win the nomination in Denver this summer.

Clinton backers appeared on early morning television programs to stress that she was still in the race and to urge party leaders and elected officials known as superdelegates not to flee to Obama.

"This candidacy and this campaign continues on," Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson said on CNN.

Obama was 184.5 delegates shy of the 2,025 needed to secure the Democratic nomination, his campaign finally steadying after missteps fiercely exploited by the never-say-die Clinton.

His campaign dropped broad hints it was time for the 270 remaining unaligned superdelegates to get off the fence and settle the nomination.

In a counter to Wolfson, Obama communications director Robert Gibbs said: "The delegate math gets exceptionally harder for Senator Clinton every day"

In a memorandum to superdelegates, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe reminded them of the delegate math necessary to secure the nomination. He said Clinton would need to win 68 percent of the remaining delegates to win - an extremely unlikely scenario, made harder by her poor performance Tuesday.

"With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days," Plouffe wrote. "While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or millions of supporters, volunteers and donors."

It was in the superdelegate arena - even more than in the scattered primaries left - that the Democratic hyperdrama was bound to play out.

Clinton vowed to compete tenaciously for West Virginia next week and Kentucky and Oregon after that, and to press "full speed on to the White House."

But she risked running on fumes without an infusion of cash, and made a direct fundraising pitch from the stage in Indianapolis. "I need your help to continue our journey," she said.

And she pledged anew that she would support the Democratic nominee "no matter what happens," a vow also made by her competitor.

But her campaign schedule belied any immediate reconciliation. West Virginia holds its primary on Tuesday. Kentucky and Oregon hold their contests a week a later. Puerto Rico is scheduled for June 1 followed promptly by Montana and South Dakota on June 3.

Her campaign is making the case that those contests are crucial to her and will press Democratic party officials to resolve disputed contests in Michigan and Florida, which she won but whose results the party voided because the primaries were held ahead of the schedule set by Democratic Party rules.

 

[shining path]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them.

If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

BGP, I'm a big fan, but when you make absolutely ridiculous comments like this, you really appear to have lost touch with reality.I'm very much a leftist, but you don't see me making stupid comments like "the republicans will eliminate taxes altogether, enslave minorities, and end welfare". C'mon bro - let's at least stay in the real world. You can be conservative without sounding insane.

It's mostly shtick at this point. And to be honest, pretty good shtick.

I know it sounds like a joke but this crap actually happens. The democrats seriously came out in 1993 and made a "call to sacrifice" and pledged to hike taxes on everyone. They got huge blowback from that. And then you had Jocelyn Elders who took office as surgeon general and immediately promoted teaching masturbation in schools. You can't make this stuff up. If you think they aren't going to go wacko again and do things like attack Christmas, you are in for a surprise.

Well with regards to the Democrats banning religion, I'm too used to disappointment to expect them to come through for me now. C'mon dems, get a spine and shut down some ###### churches.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

North Carolina democrat superdelegate Heath Shuler (yes the ex-QB) has just declared for Hillary Clinton.

Um . . . delay of game?

Solid.If Jeb Bush is the GOP nominee in 2012 I will throw up in my mouth.

Which is a shame. Jeb would be perfect for the Presidency.

 

[adonis]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them.

If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

BGP, I'm a big fan, but when you make absolutely ridiculous comments like this, you really appear to have lost touch with reality.I'm very much a leftist, but you don't see me making stupid comments like "the republicans will eliminate taxes altogether, enslave minorities, and end welfare". C'mon bro - let's at least stay in the real world. You can be conservative without sounding insane.

It's mostly shtick at this point. And to be honest, pretty good shtick.

I know it sounds like a joke but this crap actually happens. The democrats seriously came out in 1993 and made a "call to sacrifice" and pledged to hike taxes on everyone. They got huge blowback from that. And then you had Jocelyn Elders who took office as surgeon general and immediately promoted teaching masturbation in schools. You can't make this stuff up. If you think they aren't going to go wacko again and do things like attack Christmas, you are in for a surprise.

Banning religion? That would be a surprise.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

North Carolina democrat superdelegate Heath Shuler (yes the ex-QB) has just declared for Hillary Clinton.

Um . . . delay of game?

Solid.If Jeb Bush is the GOP nominee in 2012 I will throw up in my mouth.

Which is a shame. Jeb would be perfect for the Presidency.

Possibly. But I really really really want the Bush Clinton name to disappear into the books for at least 20 years. Around 2028, if Chelsea or Jeb Jr. want to run for something, by all means. Good luck. But seriously, a little break please. Thanks.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

And then you had Jocelyn Elders who took office as surgeon general and immediately promoted teaching masturbation in schools.

My best subject!

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.

Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now? If she had done better last night does that mean that her arguments are justified, and if so why aren't they still justified, albiet in a weaker position as we are getting close to the end?

The way I see it, she has defined this nomination process, and everyone has let her. Obama's people included. You are fighting on her terms. That doesn't make for a great gameplan most times.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

 

[urbanhack]

I mean think about that. The democrats took control of the entire goverment in 1993. And their first order of business was to hike taxes and promote teaching masturbation in schools. I'm not kidding. They actually did that. That was the sum of their grand vision for their honeymoon. And then their support cratered.

Did you know that Conway Twitty, Dizzy Gillespie, and Audrey Hepburn all died in 1993?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

Are you confused as to whether the process is over or the outcome?

 

[SofaKings]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

So Obama currently has the required number of delegates for the nomination?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I mean think about that. The democrats took control of the entire goverment in 1993. And their first order of business was to hike taxes and promote teaching masturbation in schools. I'm not kidding. They actually did that. That was the sum of their grand vision for their honeymoon. And then their support cratered.

Did you know that Conway Twitty, Dizzy Gillespie, and Audrey Hepburn all died in 1993?

LMAO @ fact checking BGP and stumbling onto good trivia.

 

[adonis]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now? If she had done better last night does that mean that her arguments are justified, and if so why aren't they still justified, albiet in a weaker position as we are getting close to the end?The way I see it, she has defined this nomination process, and everyone has let her. Obama's people included. You are fighting on her terms. That doesn't make for a great gameplan most times.

I don't think so.What's been going on is that Hillary has been doing her thing on the side, while the race has always been about winning delegates. Obama stared with that goal in mind, he took a huge step towards it on Super Tuesday, and last night took another large step towards the ultimate goal of getting 2025 delegates. That has not changed, Obama's supporters focus on this hasn't changed, but some things have changed.What has changed is that the number of delegates remaining now is so small, and the time left to make big changes in the polls is much lower than it was before PA. So, while it's always been about delegates, the number of remaining delegates has never been so low, and no big states remain that are bastions of Hillary support.So for all intents and purposes, last night showed that Obama could weather the Wright storm and still pull in votes. He made the results closer in Indiana than expected. So now, with very few states left, fewer delegates, the largest pool of "voters" is the superdelegate pool. And with the outcome of this election, little will change between now and the end, so makind a decision soon would be in their best interest.

 

[djcolts]

Rasmussen Markets - Clinton's chances are worse than ever

On May 3rd, the Ramussen market had Hillary's chances at winning the nomination at 24%. Now, 8.6%.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

Are you confused as to whether the process is over or the outcome?

Neither are over. I think you are confused.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Bill Kristol who was just on Fox summed up the Democratic Primary race very well, stating. "Hillary should stay in and pick up what remaining states that she can, not to turn off voters, and Obama supporters leaving HRC room to bow out gracefully." Kristol went on to say that "Hillary will be the VP candidate for BO!"

 

[Pooch]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

The same reason that Huckabee, Romney, and Gravel still get votes. The only reason she gets more is because she refuses to face the cold harsh reality and simple mathematics and withdraw from the race.

 

[urbanhack]

I mean think about that. The democrats took control of the entire goverment in 1993. And their first order of business was to hike taxes and promote teaching masturbation in schools. I'm not kidding. They actually did that. That was the sum of their grand vision for their honeymoon. And then their support cratered.

Did you know that Conway Twitty, Dizzy Gillespie, and Audrey Hepburn all died in 1993?

LMAO @ fact checking BGP and stumbling onto good trivia.

 

[Pai Mei]

Let me put it this way. Our focus needs to be on beating John McCain. He cannot be allowed to reach the Oval Office. Now, I see Hillary as a much more viable candidate in the general, and that's why I'd prefer her right now. But if they do go with Obama, I will throw my support to him. It may be a lost cause, but I will. Until then, I really hope the dem brass sees the light.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

The same reason that Huckabee, Romney, and Gravel still get votes. The only reason she gets more is because she refuses to face the cold harsh reality and simple mathematics and withdraw from the race.

So, Obama has enough delegates?

 

[urbanhack]

For those who seriously think Obama should be the nominee, tell me why you think the Obama campaign is going to suddenly stop shooting itself in the foot on a weekly basis. Myself, I just don't see it. They are going to continue to say and do stupid things until McCain wins big. The heat is on Obama not because of Operation Chaos, or because of Hillary, or because of some vast right wing conspiracy. Its there because Obama is doing it to himself.

Perception is reality for you huh?Well, Obama's been the frontrunner for quite a while. When Hillary was the frontrunner, she was getting a lot of criticism. McCain has made quite a few slip-ups lately, under no pressure at all, but the media largely ignores it because the news story is obama and clinton, and obama as the frontrunner gets more attention and criticism.

When McCain steps into the light, he will start getting heavy criticism. Slip ups regarding who is in iran, his ridiculous gas tax plan...it's going to be a new ball game when the light shifts just from democrats to McCain too. Remember the label "the liberal media", well, he betten have enjoyed his relaxing time, because they will soon be firing on all cylinders, right at mccain.

But I still want an explanation as to why anyone thinks Obama is about to suddenly stop shooting himself in the foot every week.

Please list the last 3 or 4 instances just for kicks.

bump

 

[adonis]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

The same reason that Huckabee, Romney, and Gravel still get votes. The only reason she gets more is because she refuses to face the cold harsh reality and simple mathematics and withdraw from the race.

So, Obama has enough delegates?

No. It's not literally over. But figuratively, it is, and it has been for some time.

 

[malice]

Rasmussen Markets - Clinton's chances are worse than ever

On May 3rd, the Ramussen market had Hillary's chances at winning the nomination at 24%. Now, 8.6%.

[lloydchristmas]"So you're telling me there's a chance..."[/lloydchristmas]

 

[Sammy3469]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

If the Republican nomination is over why did McCain only receive 74% and 77% of the vote in the two primaries last night?I also think you're critique that he's weak because he's let her set the agenda is, well, a fairly weak argument. He's basically been trying to defeat a candidate who continually moves the goalposts with a media establishment that is all too happy to let her do so for ratings and to make the contest last as long as possible for ratings (hell she's still trying to do it). It's like fighting with BGP.

 

[gocolts]

And no Clinton as VP.

If Obama has any backbone at all, in any way stands for what he says he stands for (which I believe he does) he will tell the supers to go #### themselves if they try to force him to put her on as VP. Not only is she the absolute ANTITHESIS of his professed new brand of politics, but she has crossed the line more than once in this campaign going after him. It would signal he is a typical politician that will do anything to get elected, that he wishes to embrace rather than reject the Clinton style of politics, and that he is a weak, sissy pushover who can't stand up for himself.

I do not hate Hillary like some, but I honestly would feel like Obama is not qualified to be president if he bows to pressure to put Hillary on the ticket.

Ambassador, possibly SCOTUS nominee. Fine. But not VP.

I was going to give you a goodposting until you added the part about putting Hillary on the Supreme Court. You're dead to me now.

No the plan was Hillary is president, she makes Bill supreme court justice and then everyone on the court has "accidents" and Hillary neglects to nominate anyone to replace them. Eventually Bill is the Court. Their biggest problem is figuring out a way to replace Congress with Chelsea. Yah this is a joke

I always figured she would be POTUS and either put Bill on the SCOTUS or he becomes the head of the UN, either would be a disaster.

 

[gocolts]

For those who seriously think Obama should be the nominee, tell me why you think the Obama campaign is going to suddenly stop shooting itself in the foot on a weekly basis. Myself, I just don't see it. They are going to continue to say and do stupid things until McCain wins big. The heat is on Obama not because of Operation Chaos, or because of Hillary, or because of some vast right wing conspiracy. Its there because Obama is doing it to himself.

Perception is reality for you huh?Well, Obama's been the frontrunner for quite a while. When Hillary was the frontrunner, she was getting a lot of criticism. McCain has made quite a few slip-ups lately, under no pressure at all, but the media largely ignores it because the news story is obama and clinton, and obama as the frontrunner gets more attention and criticism.When McCain steps into the light, he will start getting heavy criticism. Slip ups regarding who is in iran, his ridiculous gas tax plan...it's going to be a new ball game when the light shifts just from democrats to McCain too. Remember the label "the liberal media", well, he betten have enjoyed his relaxing time, because they will soon be firing on all cylinders, right at mccain.

heavy criticism

 

[gocolts]

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.

You do realize that blacks are not even the biggest minority anymore, don't you??? How can 14% of the population be a significant portion of the country???? Keep in mind not all of them vote either.

 

[Clayton Gray]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them. If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

This sounds fantastic!

 

[adonis]

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.

You do realize that blacks are not even the biggest minority anymore, don't you??? How can 14% of the population be a significant portion of the country???? Keep in mind not all of them vote either.

14% is a significant portion, especially when you're getting 90+% of that groups votes. Getting 90% of the votes of a group that is fairly well represented in america is a good thing, especially when you're getting good percentages in other groups.

 

[gocolts]

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.

You do realize that blacks are not even the biggest minority anymore, don't you??? How can 14% of the population be a significant portion of the country???? Keep in mind not all of them vote either.

14% is a significant portion, especially when you're getting 90+% of that groups votes. Getting 90% of the votes of a group that is fairly well represented in america is a good thing, especially when you're getting good percentages in other groups.

Just checking. I realize he is getting most of that demographic, I just don't think that is a big enough demographic win it on, when you consider the other, bigger, demographics.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The only thing that keeps bugging me (just in the sense that I think about it because any problems in the democratic party works for me) is that the Obama side of this keep arguing on Hillary's terms.Everywhere today, and everyone, is arguing that the results of last night show that it is over. Except that they've been saying that time and time again. Were you all wrong then and right now?

No, they've pretty much been right all along.It's over. But she won another 5 delegates.Still over. But she won a few more popular votes.Still over. But she loaned herself more money.Still over.If she continues on to Kentucky - it doesn't matter if she wins (because it's over) or loses. Because it's over.

If it's over, why does she keep getting so many votes?

If the Republican nomination is over why did McCain only receive 74% and 77% of the vote in the two primaries last night?I also think you're critique that he's weak because he's let her set the agenda is, well, a fairly weak argument. He's basically been trying to defeat a candidate who continually moves the goalposts with a media establishment that is all too happy to let her do so for ratings and to make the contest last as long as possible for ratings (hell she's still trying to do it). It's like fighting with BGP.

That's my only point though, she does keep moving the goalposts and he is indulging her. Whether or not he has a choice in the matter is another question, but he is fighting her fight.