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Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.
Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.
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There's no excuse for blatant racism. I'm pretty disappointed with you here.Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.
Still think your vote for Obama won't mean anything?culdeus said:whoaGr00vus said:
Gr00vus said:
Fedele said the mailer merely parodied the statements Obama made during a debate last summer and wasn't racist.
"If I was racist, I would have looked at it through racist eyes," she said. "I am not racist, which is why it probably didn't register."
Club member Kristina Sandoval agreed.
"None of us are racists," she said.
The use of watermelon, ribs and fried chicken was innocent, she said.
"Everyone eats those foods, it's not a racial thing."
Dont' worry. 6 people in Ohio will vote in culdeus' name.Still think your vote for Obama won't mean anything?culdeus said:whoaGr00vus said:
racism? I think you implying that only black people eat KFC is racist.Gr00vus said:There's no excuse for blatant racism. I'm pretty disappointed with you here.Statorama said:Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.Gr00vus said:
Yeah, it was just an accident that she put kool aid, fried chicken, ribs and watermelon on her mock food stamp with Obama's face on a donkey's body.Do you even take yourself seriously anymore? Because you're being ridiculous here.racism? I think you implying that only black people eat KFC is racist.Gr00vus said:There's no excuse for blatant racism. I'm pretty disappointed with you here.Statorama said:Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.Gr00vus said:
No kidding. Food stamp fraud. They should go to jail.culdeus said:whoaGr00vus said:
I'm being ridiculous? I think you need to take a look at yourself on this one.Yeah, it was just an accident that she put kool aid, fried chicken, ribs and watermelon on her mock food stamp with Obama's face on a donkey's body.Do you even take yourself seriously anymore? Because you're being ridiculous here.racism? I think you implying that only black people eat KFC is racist.Gr00vus said:There's no excuse for blatant racism. I'm pretty disappointed with you here.Statorama said:Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.Gr00vus said:
Thanks for finally admitting it.I'm being ridiculous
I voted for him twice in the primary already. That counted. You won't miss my third vote. I promise. It will still be mostly a straight dem ticket except a few judges and local officials.Still think your vote for Obama won't mean anything?culdeus said:whoaGr00vus said:
Well if you don't think he's the best guy for the job, you certainly shouldn't vote for him. But if you do I think it's important that it gets reflected in the overall vote tally. I think a higher than normal (for Democratic candidates) Obama vote count in Texas would mean something going forward.I voted for him twice in the primary already. That counted. You won't miss my third vote. I promise. It will still be mostly a straight dem ticket except a few judges and local officials.Still think your vote for Obama won't mean anything?culdeus said:whoaGr00vus said:
Perhaps. I've never voted for a major candidate in the general ever. Don't see why I should start now. The other races even the senate one may be tight (really). I do think our rep is safe, however. We'll see. Maybe I should contact ACORN.Well if you don't think he's the best guy for the job, you certainly shouldn't vote for him. But if you do I think it's important that it gets reflected in the overall vote tally. I think a higher than normal (for Democratic candidates) Obama vote count in Texas would mean something going forward.I voted for him twice in the primary already. That counted. You won't miss my third vote. I promise. It will still be mostly a straight dem ticket except a few judges and local officials.Still think your vote for Obama won't mean anything?culdeus said:whoaGr00vus said:
That's a great idea - then you can vote for Obama and your favorite third party candidates. I hear no one's registered as Captain Caveman yet.Perhaps. I've never voted for a major candidate in the general ever. Don't see why I should start now. The other races even the senate one may be tight (really). I do think our rep is safe, however. We'll see. Maybe I should contact ACORN.Well if you don't think he's the best guy for the job, you certainly shouldn't vote for him. But if you do I think it's important that it gets reflected in the overall vote tally. I think a higher than normal (for Democratic candidates) Obama vote count in Texas would mean something going forward.I voted for him twice in the primary already. That counted. You won't miss my third vote. I promise. It will still be mostly a straight dem ticket except a few judges and local officials.Still think your vote for Obama won't mean anything?culdeus said:whoaGr00vus said:
I though we were suppose to let go of 2004's rigged election?Statorama said:Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.Gr00vus said:
Why is Navarrette significant here? I honestly don't know anything about him.
Considering the timing this could actually end up being a pretty big deal. Normally I'm of the opinion that endorsements don't mean much, even across parties, but anything that takes a news cycle day away from McCain at this point is a bad thing for him -- If Powell endorses Obama it's going to be a lead story on Monday and will be discussed well into next week.
It works the other way too. If Powell endorses McCain it'll give him a decent boost.Considering the timing this could actually end up being a pretty big deal. Normally I'm of the opinion that endorsements don't mean much, even across parties, but anything that takes a news cycle day away from McCain at this point is a bad thing for him -- If Powell endorses Obama it's going to be a lead story on Monday and will be discussed well into next week.
He's a constant apologist for the right.Why is Navarrette significant here? I honestly don't know anything about him.
I guess that explains why I didn't know anything about him. Thanks.He's a constant apologist for the right.Why is Navarrette significant here? I honestly don't know anything about him.
Agreed. It won't be quite as big a story, but would be good news for him. I think difference is that if he endorses McCain it basically gets played as McCain dodging a bullet, whereas backing Obama is a serious foreign policy boost for him.It works the other way too. If Powell endorses McCain it'll give him a decent boost.Considering the timing this could actually end up being a pretty big deal. Normally I'm of the opinion that endorsements don't mean much, even across parties, but anything that takes a news cycle day away from McCain at this point is a bad thing for him -- If Powell endorses Obama it's going to be a lead story on Monday and will be discussed well into next week.
You've seen the same ones that the black community is making about McCain, right?Gr00vus said:
Should have been red drink.Yeah, it was just an accident that she put kool aid, fried chicken, ribs and watermelon on her mock food stamp with Obama's face on a donkey's body.Do you even take yourself seriously anymore? Because you're being ridiculous here.racism? I think you implying that only black people eat KFC is racist.Gr00vus said:There's no excuse for blatant racism. I'm pretty disappointed with you here.Statorama said:Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.Gr00vus said:
This is about the fourth time "Powell to endorse Obama" has been about to happen.
Seems like everyone is going to dodge the elephant in the room, but come on. There's no way that Colin Powell, an African-American, can ignore the candidacy of the first African-American nominee for President. It's an event that's groundbreaking in it's scope for people of color. I fail to see how it would be "devastating" to McCain if he endorsed Obama. Was Joe Liebermann, the former VP candidate of the Democratic Party, endorsing McCain "devastating" to Obama? Of course not. This is no different.If General Patreus endorses Obama, THAT would worry me.Agreed. It won't be quite as big a story, but would be good news for him. I think difference is that if he endorses McCain it basically gets played as McCain dodging a bullet, whereas backing Obama is a serious foreign policy boost for him.It works the other way too. If Powell endorses McCain it'll give him a decent boost.Considering the timing this could actually end up being a pretty big deal. Normally I'm of the opinion that endorsements don't mean much, even across parties, but anything that takes a news cycle day away from McCain at this point is a bad thing for him -- If Powell endorses Obama it's going to be a lead story on Monday and will be discussed well into next week.
Honestly, I personally will be a bit surprised if he endorses McCain. If you look closely at their positions, Obama is closer to Powell on foreign policy than McCain is.
Agreed. For Powell to endorse McCain now, given McCain's public stances on Iraq, would come off as disingenuous at the least, if not downright partisan.Agreed. It won't be quite as big a story, but would be good news for him. I think difference is that if he endorses McCain it basically gets played as McCain dodging a bullet, whereas backing Obama is a serious foreign policy boost for him.It works the other way too. If Powell endorses McCain it'll give him a decent boost.Considering the timing this could actually end up being a pretty big deal. Normally I'm of the opinion that endorsements don't mean much, even across parties, but anything that takes a news cycle day away from McCain at this point is a bad thing for him -- If Powell endorses Obama it's going to be a lead story on Monday and will be discussed well into next week.
Honestly, I personally will be a bit surprised if he endorses McCain. If you look closely at their positions, Obama is closer to Powell on foreign policy than McCain is.
It would be devastating because Gen. Powell is greatly respected by a lot of people, many of them Republicans. For him to endorse Obama would lend a lot of credibility to Obama's foreign policy vision in the eyes of some who may currently have doubts. Powell's never been a polarizing figure, so the endorsement would likely be of great interest to undecideds.Seems like everyone is going to dodge the elephant in the room, but come on. There's no way that Colin Powell, an African-American, can ignore the candidacy of the first African-American nominee for President. It's an event that's groundbreaking in it's scope for people of color. I fail to see how it would be "devastating" to McCain if he endorsed Obama. Was Joe Liebermann, the former VP candidate of the Democratic Party, endorsing McCain "devastating" to Obama? Of course not. This is no different.If General Patreus endorses Obama, THAT would worry me.
Nope, do you have a reference to them so I could check them out?You've seen the same ones that the black community is making about McCain, right?Gr00vus said:
I carefully avoided using the word "devastating," I just said it would be "bad" for McCain. Again, I think the biggest problem is that a Sunday Powell endorsement would in all likelihood be the biggest story on Monday, and every day that McCain doesn't have to get out the message that Obama is a tax-raising, free-spending, socialist, terrorist associated, un-maverick, is "bad" for him.Seems like everyone is going to dodge the elephant in the room, but come on. There's no way that Colin Powell, an African-American, can ignore the candidacy of the first African-American nominee for President. It's an event that's groundbreaking in it's scope for people of color. I fail to see how it would be "devastating" to McCain if he endorsed Obama. Was Joe Liebermann, the former VP candidate of the Democratic Party, endorsing McCain "devastating" to Obama? Of course not. This is no different.If General Patreus endorses Obama, THAT would worry me.Agreed. It won't be quite as big a story, but would be good news for him. I think difference is that if he endorses McCain it basically gets played as McCain dodging a bullet, whereas backing Obama is a serious foreign policy boost for him.It works the other way too. If Powell endorses McCain it'll give him a decent boost.Considering the timing this could actually end up being a pretty big deal. Normally I'm of the opinion that endorsements don't mean much, even across parties, but anything that takes a news cycle day away from McCain at this point is a bad thing for him -- If Powell endorses Obama it's going to be a lead story on Monday and will be discussed well into next week.
Honestly, I personally will be a bit surprised if he endorses McCain. If you look closely at their positions, Obama is closer to Powell on foreign policy than McCain is.
Do you really think anyone is going to give any weight at all to his endorsement? I think most people know it for what it is.I mean geez, if Justice Thomas (quite possibly the most conservative black man on the planet) endorsed Obama it wouldn't cause a ripple.(edited out a slam at Autumn Wind. No need for that in a positive discussionIt would be devastating because Gen. Powell is greatly respected by a lot of people, many of them Republicans. For him to endorse Obama would lend a lot of credibility to Obama's foreign policy vision in the eyes of some who may currently have doubts. Powell's never been a polarizing figure, so the endorsement would likely be of great interest to undecideds.Seems like everyone is going to dodge the elephant in the room, but come on. There's no way that Colin Powell, an African-American, can ignore the candidacy of the first African-American nominee for President. It's an event that's groundbreaking in it's scope for people of color. I fail to see how it would be "devastating" to McCain if he endorsed Obama. Was Joe Liebermann, the former VP candidate of the Democratic Party, endorsing McCain "devastating" to Obama? Of course not. This is no different.If General Patreus endorses Obama, THAT would worry me.
As we wait for Powell (and Hagel?), here's a recap of some of the biggest Republicans, Republicans-turned-independents, and conservatives who have come out to support Barack for President.
If you know of any I've missed, please add them.
Elected Officials:
Jim Leach, Former Congressman from Iowa
"For me, the national interest comes before party concerns, particularly internationally. We do need a new direction in American policy, and Obama has a sense of that."
Lincoln Chafee, Former United States Senator from Rhode Island
"As I look at the candidates in order who to vote for, certainly my kind of conservatism was reflected with Senator Obama, and those points are that we're fiscally conservative, we care about revenues matching expenditures, we also care about the environment, I think it's a traditional conservative value to care about clean air and clean water."
Richard Riordan, Former Mayor of Los Angeles
"I'm still a Republican, but I still will always vote for the person who I think will do the best job."
Lowell Weicker, Former Governor and Senator from Connecticut
"At issue is not the partisan politics of two parties, rather the image we have of ourselves as Americans. Senator Obama brings wisdom, kindness, and common sense to what is both his and our quest for a better America."
Jim Whitaker, Fairbanks, Alaska Mayor
"If we are as a nation concerned with energy, then our consideration should be a national energy policy that is not predicated on crude oil 50 years into the future. We need to get to it, and I think Barack Obama is very clear in that regard."
Linwood Holton, Former Governor of Virginia
"Obama has a brain, and he isn't afraid to use it."
Government Officials:
Douglas Kmiec, Head of the Office of Legal Counsel under Reagan & Bush 41
"I was first attracted to government by Ronald Reagan, who lives in our national memory as a great leader and an inspiring communicator. Senator Obama has these gifts as well, but of course, more rhetorical flourish without substance would be worth little. Is there more to Senator Obama? I believe there is."
Jackson M. Andrews, Republican Counsel to the U.S. Senate
"Barack Obama is a thoughtful visionary leader who as President will end the decline of American law, liberty, and fiscal responsibility that are the hallmarks of the extremist policies of the current Administration, now adopted by John McCain."
Susan Eisenhower, Granddaughter of President Eisenhower & President of the Eisenhower Group
"Given Obama's support among young people, I believe that he will be most invested in defending the interests of these rising generations and, therefore, the long-term interests of this nation as a whole."
Francis ####uyama, Advisor to President Reagan
"...Obama probably has the greatest promise of delivering a different kind of politics."
Rita Hauser, Former White House intelligence advisor under George W. Bush
"McCain will continue the wrong-headed foreign policy decisions of Bush, while Obama will take us in a new direction."
Larry Hunter, Former President Reagan Policy Advisor
"I suspect Obama is more free-market friendly than he lets on. He taught at the University of Chicago, a hotbed of right-of-center thought. His economic advisers, notably Austan Goolsbee, recognize that ordinary citizens stand to gain more from open markets than from government meddling."
Bill Ruckelshaus, served in the Nixon and Reagan administrations
"I'm not against McCain, I'm for Obama."
Lilibet Hagel, Wife of Republican Senator Chuck Hagel
"This election is not about fighting phantom issues churned out by a top-notch slander machine. Most important, it is not about distracting the public-- you and me-- with whatever slurs someone thinks will stick."
Columnists and Academics:
Jeffrey Hart, National Review Senior Editor
"It turns out that these political parties are not always either liberal or conservative, Democratic or Republican. The Democrat, under certain conditions, can be the conservative."
Andrew Bacevich, Professor of International Relations at Boston University
"For conservatives, Obama represents a sliver of hope. McCain represents none at all. The choice turns out to be an easy one."
David Friedman, Economist and son of Milton and Rose Friedman
"I hope Obama wins. President Bush has clearly been a disaster from the standpoint of libertarians and conservatives because he has presided over an astonishing rise in government spending."
Christopher Buckley, Son of National Review founder William F. Buckley & former NR columnist
"Obama has in him-- I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy 'We are the people we have been waiting for' silly rehtoric-- the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for."
Andrew Sullivan, Columnist for the Atlantic Monthly
"Obama's legislative record, speeches, and the way he has run his campaign reveal, I think, a very even temperament, a very sound judgment, and an intelligent pragmatism. Prudence is a word that is not inappropriate to him."
Wick Alison, Former publisher of the National Review
"I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses. But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history."
I don't think it'll mean a ton either way. But in a tight contest (and I think this is still a tight contest right up until November 6), any little thing could push some undecideds one way or another. If enough of these things flow one direction or the other in concert, then it starts meaning something.Do you really think anyone is going to give any weight at all to his endorsement?
I think it's spinnable as a black guy endorsing another black guy. But it's still a big plus for Obama, as endorsements go.Do you really think anyone is going to give any weight at all to his endorsement? I think most people know it for what it is.It would be devastating because Gen. Powell is greatly respected by a lot of people, many of them Republicans. For him to endorse Obama would lend a lot of credibility to Obama's foreign policy vision in the eyes of some who may currently have doubts. Powell's never been a polarizing figure, so the endorsement would likely be of great interest to undecideds.Seems like everyone is going to dodge the elephant in the room, but come on. There's no way that Colin Powell, an African-American, can ignore the candidacy of the first African-American nominee for President. It's an event that's groundbreaking in it's scope for people of color. I fail to see how it would be "devastating" to McCain if he endorsed Obama. Was Joe Liebermann, the former VP candidate of the Democratic Party, endorsing McCain "devastating" to Obama? Of course not. This is no different.If General Patreus endorses Obama, THAT would worry me.
Regardless of whether it could be perceived that way, it isn't "spinnable" that way for McCain or his surrogates. To have anyone even tangentially associated with his campaign suggest that it's just a case of black solidarity would pretty much kill McCain (if we're assuming he's still alive).I think it's spinnable as a black guy endorsing another black guy. But it's still a big plus for Obama, as endorsements go.
Aside from the racism, I'm checking with our trademark lawyers on the use of our Kool-Aid guy and phrase. Trademark law is not my specialty, but this seems a good place for a cease-and-desist letter.Gr00vus said:
A University of Wisconsin study showed that last weekend the number of negative ads that Obama ran in Wiscosin was 1,362. McCain ran 8.Just who is running a negative campaign again?I can't imagine Powell has much respect for the way McCain has run his campaign, both in its negative and cynical tone and it's inconsistency (putting it nicely). But if McCain has an October surprise in him, this would be a pretty good one.
Well duh. He's not going to call him ignorant either.Regardless of whether it could be perceived that way, it isn't "spinnable" that way for McCain or his surrogates. To have anyone even tangentially associated with his campaign suggest that it's just a case of black solidarity would pretty much kill McCain (if we're assuming he's still alive).I think it's spinnable as a black guy endorsing another black guy. But it's still a big plus for Obama, as endorsements go.
Hmmm, so now we learn that K4 has direct ties to the Kool-Aid - I've always wondered why you've never warned anyone not to drink the various flavors that get mentioned here. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I DRAFTED KEVIN BARLOW!?!?!Aside from the racism, I'm checking with our trademark lawyers on the use of our Kool-Aid guy and phrase. Trademark law is not my specialty, but this seems a good place for a cease-and-desist letter.Gr00vus said:
Hmmm, so now we learn that K4 has direct ties to the Kool-Aid - I've always wondered why you've never warned anyone not to drink the various flavors that get mentioned here. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I DRAFTED KEVIN BARLOW!?!?!Aside from the racism, I'm checking with our trademark lawyers on the use of our Kool-Aid guy and phrase. Trademark law is not my specialty, but this seems a good place for a cease-and-desist letter.Gr00vus said:
Well, given that McCain has pulled out of Wisconsin, I'd say that's not too suprising.A University of Wisconsin study showed that last weekend the number of negative ads that Obama ran in Wiscosin was 1,362. McCain ran 8.Just who is running a negative campaign again?I can't imagine Powell has much respect for the way McCain has run his campaign, both in its negative and cynical tone and it's inconsistency (putting it nicely). But if McCain has an October surprise in him, this would be a pretty good one.
Regardless of whether it could be perceived that way, it isn't "spinnable" that way for McCain or his surrogates. To have anyone even tangentially associated with his campaign suggest that it's just a case of black solidarity would pretty much kill McCain (if we're assuming he's still alive).I think it's spinnable as a black guy endorsing another black guy. But it's still a big plus for Obama, as endorsements go.
If you don't realize it, that's quite interesting.I'm being ridiculous?Yeah, it was just an accident that she put kool aid, fried chicken, ribs and watermelon on her mock food stamp with Obama's face on a donkey's body.Do you even take yourself seriously anymore? Because you're being ridiculous here.racism? I think you implying that only black people eat KFC is racist.Gr00vus said:There's no excuse for blatant racism. I'm pretty disappointed with you here.Statorama said:Having your vote disenfranchised by Democrats in Ohio will do that to a person.Gr00vus said:
McCain wouldn't spin it that way.But Fox News would.Regardless of whether it could be perceived that way, it isn't "spinnable" that way for McCain or his surrogates. To have anyone even tangentially associated with his campaign suggest that it's just a case of black solidarity would pretty much kill McCain (if we're assuming he's still alive).I think it's spinnable as a black guy endorsing another black guy. But it's still a big plus for Obama, as endorsements go.
This is funny.Statorama said:With voter fraud on your side, there's no way your guy will lose.
This is funny.Statorama said:With voter fraud on your side, there's no way your guy will lose.
What's sad is you've managed to delude yourself into thinking that the Republican party is clean here. Republicans are masters at voter fraud. Shall I provide all the links to prove the rampant voter fraud the Republican party has perpetrated this year and in the last election?This is funny.Statorama said:With voter fraud on your side, there's no way your guy will lose."Sad" seems more apropos.