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neither is it a qualification for the POTUS.
Neither is serving on the Harvard Law Review, never trying a case while working as an attorney, or serving as an agitprop for various leftist political interests in Chicago. Nuff said.
No, not enough. Say something of value.You want to look to who will be the better president, look at the campaigns. Nearly two years down the road now, and no campaign has managed to match Obama's on organization, messaging, fund raising, ground game, rhetoric, or policy. The solutions McCain has offered aren't solutions so much as grasping at straws. By his own parties admission, his has been a campaign of changing tactics and reaction, while Obama has had an overarching strategy.
 
no campaign has managed to match Obama's on organization, messaging, fund raising, ground game, rhetoric, or policy
Congratulations! He is a great campaigner who reneged on his promise to accept matching funds and will go down in history as having spent over half a BILLION dollars, more than any other presidential candidate in history. So much for fiscal responsibility and standing up to all those bigwigs and lobbyists, huh?
 
no campaign has managed to match Obama's on organization, messaging, fund raising, ground game, rhetoric, or policy
Congratulations! He is a great campaigner who reneged on his promise to accept matching funds and will go down in history as having spent over half a BILLION dollars, more than any other presidential candidate in history. So much for fiscal responsibility and standing up to all those bigwigs and lobbyists, huh?
Do you know what you are saying? You're taking shots at your own candidate. And yes, I would say that Obama has spent his money much more wisely than other candidates. My evidence:

1) He drove Clinton into debt, and defeated the largest Democratic political machine in history

2) He has maintained a positive message, indicated by his high favorables

3) He has done this without the help of special interest, but on an average donation of under $100

4) The polls

5) He has remained out of debt. I like balanced books

Meanwhile, the Mavericky reformer has managed to crawl in bed with all sorts of lobbyists and the same sleazy strategists that smeared him in 2000. Don't you see the irony of your point above?

 
He has maintained a positive message
THIS is where the irony lies. Positive message it may be, but the underpinnings of the campaign are rotten to the core.Whether it be outright fraud via ACORN, suppression of political speech from "truth squads" and Missouri and Pennsylvania, or countless thousands of illegal donations through the internet, there's something that stinks in Chicago, and it ain't just the Cubs' chances of winning the World Series.
 
Not a lot of suspense about this I suppose, but Fareed Zakaria formally endorsed Obama on his GPS program today. He also had Queen Rania of Jordan on and all I can say is WOW.

 
no campaign has managed to match Obama's on organization, messaging, fund raising, ground game, rhetoric, or policy
Congratulations! He is a great campaigner who reneged on his promise to accept matching funds and will go down in history as having spent over half a BILLION dollars, more than any other presidential candidate in history. So much for fiscal responsibility and standing up to all those bigwigs and lobbyists, huh?
The most a "bigwig" can donate to a campaign is $4600 ($2300 for the primaries and $2300 for the general election). Obama has intentionally avoided "bundlers" and lobbyist-organized fundraising events. The average donation to his campaign has been $86. Obama has raised all of that money by appealing to the electorate itself.And as to the fiscal responsibility argument, how is it irresponsible to spend money that people give you? I guess one could look to ways the money was wasted in order to show that the money people gave to him in good faith wasn't spent wisely, or worse, given to toadies for political favors. Do you have any evidence of that? No?

 
He has maintained a positive message
THIS is where the irony lies. Positive message it may be, but the underpinnings of the campaign are rotten to the core.Whether it be outright fraud via ACORN, suppression of political speech from "truth squads" and Missouri and Pennsylvania, or countless thousands of illegal donations through the internet, there's something that stinks in Chicago, and it ain't just the Cubs' chances of winning the World Series.
Wow. You just believe every outlandish lie and blatant exaggeration and distortion that right wing talk radio tells you, huh?
 
He has maintained a positive message
THIS is where the irony lies. Positive message it may be, but the underpinnings of the campaign are rotten to the core.Whether it be outright fraud via ACORN, suppression of political speech from "truth squads" and Missouri and Pennsylvania, or countless thousands of illegal donations through the internet, there's something that stinks in Chicago, and it ain't just the Cubs' chances of winning the World Series.
The subterfuge that is the moral outrage at a community organization trying to legitimately raise voter registration is slowly coming to light in the MSM. You will never, of course, hear it on Fox. But you will be disappointed that you have been lied to none the less. Or perhaps you won't. How do you feel about weapons of mass destruction?As a point of clarification, no voter fraud has been proven. Plenty of voter suppression is being attempted however.

 
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Not a lot of suspense about this I suppose, but Fareed Zakaria formally endorsed Obama on his GPS program today. He also had Queen Rania of Jordan on and all I can say is WOW.
Good on him. Don't necessarily agree with his viewpoints, but he strikes me as principled and very reasoned.
 
Not a lot of suspense about this I suppose, but Fareed Zakaria formally endorsed Obama on his GPS program today. He also had Queen Rania of Jordan on and all I can say is WOW.
1. Darnit! Missed it again, wathcing football. I guess that was his special message at the end - he switched his historical perspective spot to the beginning.2. Completely agree on Queen Rania: WOW.
 
This article appeared this morning in today's Los Angeles Times. I think it's a very important read, for Obama supporters and non-supporters alike:

Black voters feeling a mix of 'anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear'

ATLANTA -- Tonya Jones doesn't want to imagine what it would feel like to have a black president in the White House.

"I want to feel that euphoria, but I can't," said Jones, an African American hairstylist who was hanging out in front of her shop here on a slow afternoon. "Because I don't want to put myself way up here" -- with this she raised her hand over her head -- "only to fall." She let her hand plunge downward like a falling elevator.

"Everybody's on edge, I'm telling you," she said.

Such are the fraught emotions of African Americans, whose up-from-slavery story could culminate Nov. 4 in the election of a black president. Polls show that black voters overwhelmingly support Barack Obama in the presidential race, in many cases for reasons that transcend policy: One popular T-shirt depicts Obama with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. under the banner "A Dream Answered."

But many blacks are also steeling themselves for the heartbreak that will come if a breakthrough does not. Damascus Harris, a school administrator in Chicago, rattled off a litany of past indignities his people have suffered -- from the broken promises that followed slavery to Jim Crow-era voter suppression to racist redlining by banks. They explained, in part, why Harris won't be surprised if Obama loses this election.

"I'm not naive about what our history has been," he said.

That skepticism, born of centuries of experience, is shaping the mood of the black electorate on the eve of this historic election. Even with Obama surging in national polls, the excitement of his black supporters is in many cases tempered by an acute anxiety.

"I've seen lots of moods around rage and progress and all those things," said Andrea Y. Simpson, a political science professor at the University of Richmond who marched with King when she was a girl. "This is the strangest one I've experienced . . . of anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear."

Fear finds its most intense expression in the ongoing concerns for Obama's safety. Rosalind Johnson, a finance company worker from Camden, S.C., stated her deepest worry bluntly, as if it were a fact: "He will be assassinated," she said on a sunny weekday morning recently as she walked out of her local registrar's office.

There are other, less morbid concerns. Some voters fret over the shadowy workings of a system that they believe will prevent Obama from ascending to the highest office in the land. Sometimes this conversation hinges on the voting irregularities of the 2000 election. Sometimes the sentiment is more vague.

"It's going to be something," said Tony Gonzales, an Atlanta barber. "Because it's a black person, something's going to happen."

Shan Dennis, a worker at a Decatur, Ga., insurance company, said she isn't worried about a fix being in -- but she says it's something she hears about quite a bit.

"That's been a big [issue] in the African American community," she said. "A lot of them think someone is not going to let him win."

Other voters are dismayed by the ugly tone that has emerged in the last few months, as Obama's candidacy unearthed frank expressions of prejudice from white voters, and polls show some of them may be resistant to the idea of a black president: One AP-Yahoo News poll in September suggested that a third of white Democrats held negative views toward blacks.

The Rev. Kevin M. Turman, pastor of the Second Baptist Church of Detroit, has seen similar polls. He grows worried and frustrated when he thinks of the scenario they could trigger.

"My concern is that white Democrats -- who agree with Obama on every issue -- won't vote for him because he's black," Turman said.

Historically, Turman said, black voters have proved one of the most reliable constituencies for the Democratic Party. If whites don't show up to vote for a qualified black candidate, he would feel something like betrayal.

"I will have to reconsider my lifelong support of the Democratic Party," he said. "Perhaps it will be time for us to look at elections on more of a candidate-by-candidate basis, and not just vote the party ticket."

Obama's father was a black Kenyan; his mother was a white Kansan; and he was raised by white grandparents. The election, of course, is about many things, not just racial identity. And black voters have different opinions about whether the election should be viewed as a referendum on the state of American race relations.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights veteran and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, thinks the matter is plain:

"What we boil down to is a choice between 'Will you vote for the good of the country?' or 'Will you vote your racial fears?' " said Lowery.

But Charles Johnson, a novelist and English professor at the University of Washington, said it may be difficult to draw hard and fast conclusions about race relations from the November vote.

"There will be black Americans who will be certain that if [Obama] loses it was on the basis of race," Johnson said. "Then again, there's going to be a percentage of people who, when the race issue is put to the side, didn't like his policy proposals. It could be a combination of those.

"The conclusion that we draw from this is going be varied," he added. "I think we just have to wait and see."

Given the strong emotions Obama has stoked, however, it may be difficult for some voters to see the nuances.

Kevin Rodgers, who works alongside Tonya Jones at Atlanta's First Class Barber Shop, spoke of a trip to Washington that he recently made with his young daughter. After visiting the Jefferson Memorial, he bought her a ruler with pictures of all 43 presidents.

"They were all white, and we discussed that," said Rodgers. "Now, with a win, there'd be a black face on that ruler. That says everything to me."

Rodgers predicted that an Obama victory might trigger a major change in the way black Americans view their country and their countrymen.

"The amount of heart it takes for white people to pick Barack -- I think that will help some black people look at this country with hope," he said. "It will be a real gesture -- a major gesture. I think it's a major blow to hatred."

However, he said, an Obama loss "validates a lot of the discontent" that black Americans harbor.

"It proves it, in a way," he said, referring to lingering prejudice. "It gives validity to it." Some black voters don't want to contemplate what a loss would feel like, much the way Tonya Jones does not want to contemplate a win. But Pennsylvania state Rep. Jewell Williams, a Democrat who represents one of the largest African American districts in the Keystone State, has given it some thought. He said he'd encourage blacks to make Nov. 5 a sick-out day.

"I would encourage every African American not to go to work," he said. "We will need to show how important we are again. Maybe America will pay more attention to us if we all stayed at home."

In the long term, an Obama loss could discourage future political participation among the black voters who have registered for the first time this year, said Wilbur C. Rich, a political scientist at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

The loss of enthusiasm could extend beyond new voters. Harris, the Chicago school administrator, has voted in every presidential election he could. The 40-year-old likes to think of himself as a coolly dispassionate voter. But he said he cried when Obama claimed the Democratic nomination -- and expects the same kind of cathartic response if the candidate wins in November.

Imagining an Obama loss is another story. If that happens, Harris said, he will probably give up on the idea that voting makes a difference.

"This for me, politically, is the endgame," he said. "If McCain wins, I'm done. I will have conclusively decided that this is a purposeless exercise."

Michael Baisden, a popular radio host and Obama supporter, discounts such talk. "I think that's people hoping for the best," he said, "and preparing for the worst."

richard.fausset@latimes.com

 
This article appeared this morning in today's Los Angeles Times. I think it's a very important read, for Obama supporters and non-supporters alike:

Black voters feeling a mix of 'anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear'

ATLANTA -- Tonya Jones doesn't want to imagine what it would feel like to have a black president in the White House.

"I want to feel that euphoria, but I can't," said Jones, an African American hairstylist who was hanging out in front of her shop here on a slow afternoon. "Because I don't want to put myself way up here" -- with this she raised her hand over her head -- "only to fall." She let her hand plunge downward like a falling elevator.

"Everybody's on edge, I'm telling you," she said.

Such are the fraught emotions of African Americans, whose up-from-slavery story could culminate Nov. 4 in the election of a black president. Polls show that black voters overwhelmingly support Barack Obama in the presidential race, in many cases for reasons that transcend policy: One popular T-shirt depicts Obama with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. under the banner "A Dream Answered."

But many blacks are also steeling themselves for the heartbreak that will come if a breakthrough does not. Damascus Harris, a school administrator in Chicago, rattled off a litany of past indignities his people have suffered -- from the broken promises that followed slavery to Jim Crow-era voter suppression to racist redlining by banks. They explained, in part, why Harris won't be surprised if Obama loses this election.

"I'm not naive about what our history has been," he said.

That skepticism, born of centuries of experience, is shaping the mood of the black electorate on the eve of this historic election. Even with Obama surging in national polls, the excitement of his black supporters is in many cases tempered by an acute anxiety.

"I've seen lots of moods around rage and progress and all those things," said Andrea Y. Simpson, a political science professor at the University of Richmond who marched with King when she was a girl. "This is the strangest one I've experienced . . . of anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear."

Fear finds its most intense expression in the ongoing concerns for Obama's safety. Rosalind Johnson, a finance company worker from Camden, S.C., stated her deepest worry bluntly, as if it were a fact: "He will be assassinated," she said on a sunny weekday morning recently as she walked out of her local registrar's office.

There are other, less morbid concerns. Some voters fret over the shadowy workings of a system that they believe will prevent Obama from ascending to the highest office in the land. Sometimes this conversation hinges on the voting irregularities of the 2000 election. Sometimes the sentiment is more vague.

"It's going to be something," said Tony Gonzales, an Atlanta barber. "Because it's a black person, something's going to happen."

Shan Dennis, a worker at a Decatur, Ga., insurance company, said she isn't worried about a fix being in -- but she says it's something she hears about quite a bit.

"That's been a big [issue] in the African American community," she said. "A lot of them think someone is not going to let him win."

Other voters are dismayed by the ugly tone that has emerged in the last few months, as Obama's candidacy unearthed frank expressions of prejudice from white voters, and polls show some of them may be resistant to the idea of a black president: One AP-Yahoo News poll in September suggested that a third of white Democrats held negative views toward blacks.

The Rev. Kevin M. Turman, pastor of the Second Baptist Church of Detroit, has seen similar polls. He grows worried and frustrated when he thinks of the scenario they could trigger.

"My concern is that white Democrats -- who agree with Obama on every issue -- won't vote for him because he's black," Turman said.

Historically, Turman said, black voters have proved one of the most reliable constituencies for the Democratic Party. If whites don't show up to vote for a qualified black candidate, he would feel something like betrayal.

"I will have to reconsider my lifelong support of the Democratic Party," he said. "Perhaps it will be time for us to look at elections on more of a candidate-by-candidate basis, and not just vote the party ticket."

Obama's father was a black Kenyan; his mother was a white Kansan; and he was raised by white grandparents. The election, of course, is about many things, not just racial identity. And black voters have different opinions about whether the election should be viewed as a referendum on the state of American race relations.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights veteran and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, thinks the matter is plain:

"What we boil down to is a choice between 'Will you vote for the good of the country?' or 'Will you vote your racial fears?' " said Lowery.

But Charles Johnson, a novelist and English professor at the University of Washington, said it may be difficult to draw hard and fast conclusions about race relations from the November vote.

"There will be black Americans who will be certain that if [Obama] loses it was on the basis of race," Johnson said. "Then again, there's going to be a percentage of people who, when the race issue is put to the side, didn't like his policy proposals. It could be a combination of those.

"The conclusion that we draw from this is going be varied," he added. "I think we just have to wait and see."

Given the strong emotions Obama has stoked, however, it may be difficult for some voters to see the nuances.

Kevin Rodgers, who works alongside Tonya Jones at Atlanta's First Class Barber Shop, spoke of a trip to Washington that he recently made with his young daughter. After visiting the Jefferson Memorial, he bought her a ruler with pictures of all 43 presidents.

"They were all white, and we discussed that," said Rodgers. "Now, with a win, there'd be a black face on that ruler. That says everything to me."

Rodgers predicted that an Obama victory might trigger a major change in the way black Americans view their country and their countrymen.

"The amount of heart it takes for white people to pick Barack -- I think that will help some black people look at this country with hope," he said. "It will be a real gesture -- a major gesture. I think it's a major blow to hatred."

However, he said, an Obama loss "validates a lot of the discontent" that black Americans harbor.

"It proves it, in a way," he said, referring to lingering prejudice. "It gives validity to it." Some black voters don't want to contemplate what a loss would feel like, much the way Tonya Jones does not want to contemplate a win. But Pennsylvania state Rep. Jewell Williams, a Democrat who represents one of the largest African American districts in the Keystone State, has given it some thought. He said he'd encourage blacks to make Nov. 5 a sick-out day.

"I would encourage every African American not to go to work," he said. "We will need to show how important we are again. Maybe America will pay more attention to us if we all stayed at home."

In the long term, an Obama loss could discourage future political participation among the black voters who have registered for the first time this year, said Wilbur C. Rich, a political scientist at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

The loss of enthusiasm could extend beyond new voters. Harris, the Chicago school administrator, has voted in every presidential election he could. The 40-year-old likes to think of himself as a coolly dispassionate voter. But he said he cried when Obama claimed the Democratic nomination -- and expects the same kind of cathartic response if the candidate wins in November.

Imagining an Obama loss is another story. If that happens, Harris said, he will probably give up on the idea that voting makes a difference.

"This for me, politically, is the endgame," he said. "If McCain wins, I'm done. I will have conclusively decided that this is a purposeless exercise."

Michael Baisden, a popular radio host and Obama supporter, discounts such talk. "I think that's people hoping for the best," he said, "and preparing for the worst."

richard.fausset@latimes.com
Very understandable sentiments. Thanks for sharing this.
 
The article in the post above both disturbed and moved me in so many ways it's hard to know where to begin. I suppose it should be no surprise that African-Americans see this election mainly in terms of the question of their status in this country. Given their history, could it really be any other way?

I don't want these people to be badly hurt, or turn away from the electoral process, as it sounds like they will if he loses. If Obama loses now, you will not be able to convince these people (and many others) that it was because of any reason other than racism. It will create a permanent scar on this nation if he loses now, and I hate to see that. Frankly, part of me is rooting for Obama just to avoid this.

But just because a widespread emotion is completely understandable doesn't make it right. My fear is that this same group of people will continue to have a racial identity with Obama after he has been elected, and see every criticism in the future as racially based; certainly they will be suspicious of this. Such perceptions don't work well with the democratic process; it will serve to stifle free and open debate.

The issue of race in this country seems to go on and on in this country without any ending in sight...

 
This article appeared this morning in today's Los Angeles Times. I think it's a very important read, for Obama supporters and non-supporters alike:

Black voters feeling a mix of 'anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear'

ATLANTA -- Tonya Jones doesn't want to imagine what it would feel like to have a black president in the White House.

"I want to feel that euphoria, but I can't," said Jones, an African American hairstylist who was hanging out in front of her shop here on a slow afternoon. "Because I don't want to put myself way up here" -- with this she raised her hand over her head -- "only to fall." She let her hand plunge downward like a falling elevator.

"Everybody's on edge, I'm telling you," she said.

Such are the fraught emotions of African Americans, whose up-from-slavery story could culminate Nov. 4 in the election of a black president. Polls show that black voters overwhelmingly support Barack Obama in the presidential race, in many cases for reasons that transcend policy: One popular T-shirt depicts Obama with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. under the banner "A Dream Answered."

But many blacks are also steeling themselves for the heartbreak that will come if a breakthrough does not. Damascus Harris, a school administrator in Chicago, rattled off a litany of past indignities his people have suffered -- from the broken promises that followed slavery to Jim Crow-era voter suppression to racist redlining by banks. They explained, in part, why Harris won't be surprised if Obama loses this election.

"I'm not naive about what our history has been," he said.

That skepticism, born of centuries of experience, is shaping the mood of the black electorate on the eve of this historic election. Even with Obama surging in national polls, the excitement of his black supporters is in many cases tempered by an acute anxiety.

"I've seen lots of moods around rage and progress and all those things," said Andrea Y. Simpson, a political science professor at the University of Richmond who marched with King when she was a girl. "This is the strangest one I've experienced . . . of anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear."

Fear finds its most intense expression in the ongoing concerns for Obama's safety. Rosalind Johnson, a finance company worker from Camden, S.C., stated her deepest worry bluntly, as if it were a fact: "He will be assassinated," she said on a sunny weekday morning recently as she walked out of her local registrar's office.

There are other, less morbid concerns. Some voters fret over the shadowy workings of a system that they believe will prevent Obama from ascending to the highest office in the land. Sometimes this conversation hinges on the voting irregularities of the 2000 election. Sometimes the sentiment is more vague.

"It's going to be something," said Tony Gonzales, an Atlanta barber. "Because it's a black person, something's going to happen."

Shan Dennis, a worker at a Decatur, Ga., insurance company, said she isn't worried about a fix being in -- but she says it's something she hears about quite a bit.

"That's been a big [issue] in the African American community," she said. "A lot of them think someone is not going to let him win."

Other voters are dismayed by the ugly tone that has emerged in the last few months, as Obama's candidacy unearthed frank expressions of prejudice from white voters, and polls show some of them may be resistant to the idea of a black president: One AP-Yahoo News poll in September suggested that a third of white Democrats held negative views toward blacks.

The Rev. Kevin M. Turman, pastor of the Second Baptist Church of Detroit, has seen similar polls. He grows worried and frustrated when he thinks of the scenario they could trigger.

"My concern is that white Democrats -- who agree with Obama on every issue -- won't vote for him because he's black," Turman said.

Historically, Turman said, black voters have proved one of the most reliable constituencies for the Democratic Party. If whites don't show up to vote for a qualified black candidate, he would feel something like betrayal.

"I will have to reconsider my lifelong support of the Democratic Party," he said. "Perhaps it will be time for us to look at elections on more of a candidate-by-candidate basis, and not just vote the party ticket."

Obama's father was a black Kenyan; his mother was a white Kansan; and he was raised by white grandparents. The election, of course, is about many things, not just racial identity. And black voters have different opinions about whether the election should be viewed as a referendum on the state of American race relations.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights veteran and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, thinks the matter is plain:

"What we boil down to is a choice between 'Will you vote for the good of the country?' or 'Will you vote your racial fears?' " said Lowery.

But Charles Johnson, a novelist and English professor at the University of Washington, said it may be difficult to draw hard and fast conclusions about race relations from the November vote.

"There will be black Americans who will be certain that if [Obama] loses it was on the basis of race," Johnson said. "Then again, there's going to be a percentage of people who, when the race issue is put to the side, didn't like his policy proposals. It could be a combination of those.

"The conclusion that we draw from this is going be varied," he added. "I think we just have to wait and see."

Given the strong emotions Obama has stoked, however, it may be difficult for some voters to see the nuances.

Kevin Rodgers, who works alongside Tonya Jones at Atlanta's First Class Barber Shop, spoke of a trip to Washington that he recently made with his young daughter. After visiting the Jefferson Memorial, he bought her a ruler with pictures of all 43 presidents.

"They were all white, and we discussed that," said Rodgers. "Now, with a win, there'd be a black face on that ruler. That says everything to me."

Rodgers predicted that an Obama victory might trigger a major change in the way black Americans view their country and their countrymen.

"The amount of heart it takes for white people to pick Barack -- I think that will help some black people look at this country with hope," he said. "It will be a real gesture -- a major gesture. I think it's a major blow to hatred."

However, he said, an Obama loss "validates a lot of the discontent" that black Americans harbor.

"It proves it, in a way," he said, referring to lingering prejudice. "It gives validity to it." Some black voters don't want to contemplate what a loss would feel like, much the way Tonya Jones does not want to contemplate a win. But Pennsylvania state Rep. Jewell Williams, a Democrat who represents one of the largest African American districts in the Keystone State, has given it some thought. He said he'd encourage blacks to make Nov. 5 a sick-out day.

"I would encourage every African American not to go to work," he said. "We will need to show how important we are again. Maybe America will pay more attention to us if we all stayed at home."

In the long term, an Obama loss could discourage future political participation among the black voters who have registered for the first time this year, said Wilbur C. Rich, a political scientist at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

The loss of enthusiasm could extend beyond new voters. Harris, the Chicago school administrator, has voted in every presidential election he could. The 40-year-old likes to think of himself as a coolly dispassionate voter. But he said he cried when Obama claimed the Democratic nomination -- and expects the same kind of cathartic response if the candidate wins in November.

Imagining an Obama loss is another story. If that happens, Harris said, he will probably give up on the idea that voting makes a difference.

"This for me, politically, is the endgame," he said. "If McCain wins, I'm done. I will have conclusively decided that this is a purposeless exercise."

Michael Baisden, a popular radio host and Obama supporter, discounts such talk. "I think that's people hoping for the best," he said, "and preparing for the worst."

richard.fausset@latimes.com
Very understandable sentiments. Thanks for sharing this.
You're welcome. It's a very moving article, especially if you're aware of a little of the history involved here. Aren't you a little disturbed by it, though, as well?
 
The article in the post above both disturbed and moved me in so many ways it's hard to know where to begin. I suppose it should be no surprise that African-Americans see this election mainly in terms of the question of their status in this country. Given their history, could it really be any other way?I don't want these people to be badly hurt, or turn away from the electoral process, as it sounds like they will if he loses. If Obama loses now, you will not be able to convince these people (and many others) that it was because of any reason other than racism. It will create a permanent scar on this nation if he loses now, and I hate to see that. Frankly, part of me is rooting for Obama just to avoid this.But just because a widespread emotion is completely understandable doesn't make it right. My fear is that this same group of people will continue to have a racial identity with Obama after he has been elected, and see every criticism in the future as racially based; certainly they will be suspicious of this. Such perceptions don't work well with the democratic process; it will serve to stifle free and open debate. The issue of race in this country seems to go on and on in this country without any ending in sight...
Substitute race with religion, and you'll have another argument.People vote for many reasons, not all of which coincide with what you or I think are the best reasons to vote for someone. Of course, to me, Obama is a qualified man who is running for the presidency, who's run an unprecedented campaign, defeated McCain in all 3 debates, been steady under fire, and has convinced many well respected people that he's the man for the job. I understand some will still disagree, and choose not to vote for him, but I don't find fault with those who choose to vote for him who are hugely influenced by his skin color, so far as he's passed all other standards for the job. In otherwords, it can't be his sole qualification, or anywhere near it, but if it moves people, so be it.
 
The article in the post above both disturbed and moved me in so many ways it's hard to know where to begin. I suppose it should be no surprise that African-Americans see this election mainly in terms of the question of their status in this country. Given their history, could it really be any other way?I don't want these people to be badly hurt, or turn away from the electoral process, as it sounds like they will if he loses. If Obama loses now, you will not be able to convince these people (and many others) that it was because of any reason other than racism. It will create a permanent scar on this nation if he loses now, and I hate to see that. Frankly, part of me is rooting for Obama just to avoid this.But just because a widespread emotion is completely understandable doesn't make it right. My fear is that this same group of people will continue to have a racial identity with Obama after he has been elected, and see every criticism in the future as racially based; certainly they will be suspicious of this. Such perceptions don't work well with the democratic process; it will serve to stifle free and open debate. The issue of race in this country seems to go on and on in this country without any ending in sight...
If McCain had actually stayed with his early pledge to run ads on the issues, then I think he could have won and not let (most) African-Americans believe that Obama was defeated by racism. But his campaign has decided to make the electorate afraid of Obama because he's "not like us." It is now impossible to prevent feelings of racism from running rampant even if Obama wins. If McCain wins, ... I think you said it perfectly : "it will create a permanent scar on this nation." Well said.
 
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The article in the post above both disturbed and moved me in so many ways it's hard to know where to begin. I suppose it should be no surprise that African-Americans see this election mainly in terms of the question of their status in this country. Given their history, could it really be any other way?I don't want these people to be badly hurt, or turn away from the electoral process, as it sounds like they will if he loses. If Obama loses now, you will not be able to convince these people (and many others) that it was because of any reason other than racism. It will create a permanent scar on this nation if he loses now, and I hate to see that. Frankly, part of me is rooting for Obama just to avoid this.But just because a widespread emotion is completely understandable doesn't make it right. My fear is that this same group of people will continue to have a racial identity with Obama after he has been elected, and see every criticism in the future as racially based; certainly they will be suspicious of this. Such perceptions don't work well with the democratic process; it will serve to stifle free and open debate. The issue of race in this country seems to go on and on in this country without any ending in sight...
If McCain had actually stayed with his early pledge to run ads on the issues, then I think he could have won and not let (most) African-Americans believe that Obama was defeated by racism. But his campaign has decided to make the electorate afraid of Obama because he's "not like us." It is now impossible to prevent feelings of racism to run rampant even if Obama wins. If McCain wins, ... I think you said it perfectly : "it will create a permanent scar on this nation." Well said.
I have to take issue with your first statement. If you read the article, very little has to do with McCain or the tone of the campaign. I think that African-Americans would believe that Obama was defeated by racism no matter how the other side campaigns. I think had Hillary won, they would have believed that was because of racism.This attitude began after the Iowa caucus, when Blacks began to realize that Obama had an actual chance of winning. Ever since then, they have had this attitude. They made their feelings known beginning with the South Carolina primary, and that's when it became obvious to me that Democrats would never dare use the Superdelegates to defeat Obama, no matter what Hillary wanted. That was never a serious threat, because the Dem leadership knew how much this election meant to Blacks. So I don't think McCain had anything to do with it.
 
This article appeared this morning in today's Los Angeles Times. I think it's a very important read, for Obama supporters and non-supporters alike:

Black voters feeling a mix of 'anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear'

ATLANTA -- Tonya Jones doesn't want to imagine what it would feel like to have a black president in the White House.

"I want to feel that euphoria, but I can't," said Jones, an African American hairstylist who was hanging out in front of her shop here on a slow afternoon. "Because I don't want to put myself way up here" -- with this she raised her hand over her head -- "only to fall." She let her hand plunge downward like a falling elevator.

"Everybody's on edge, I'm telling you," she said.

Such are the fraught emotions of African Americans, whose up-from-slavery story could culminate Nov. 4 in the election of a black president. Polls show that black voters overwhelmingly support Barack Obama in the presidential race, in many cases for reasons that transcend policy: One popular T-shirt depicts Obama with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. under the banner "A Dream Answered."

But many blacks are also steeling themselves for the heartbreak that will come if a breakthrough does not. Damascus Harris, a school administrator in Chicago, rattled off a litany of past indignities his people have suffered -- from the broken promises that followed slavery to Jim Crow-era voter suppression to racist redlining by banks. They explained, in part, why Harris won't be surprised if Obama loses this election.

"I'm not naive about what our history has been," he said.

That skepticism, born of centuries of experience, is shaping the mood of the black electorate on the eve of this historic election. Even with Obama surging in national polls, the excitement of his black supporters is in many cases tempered by an acute anxiety.

"I've seen lots of moods around rage and progress and all those things," said Andrea Y. Simpson, a political science professor at the University of Richmond who marched with King when she was a girl. "This is the strangest one I've experienced . . . of anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear."

Fear finds its most intense expression in the ongoing concerns for Obama's safety. Rosalind Johnson, a finance company worker from Camden, S.C., stated her deepest worry bluntly, as if it were a fact: "He will be assassinated," she said on a sunny weekday morning recently as she walked out of her local registrar's office.

There are other, less morbid concerns. Some voters fret over the shadowy workings of a system that they believe will prevent Obama from ascending to the highest office in the land. Sometimes this conversation hinges on the voting irregularities of the 2000 election. Sometimes the sentiment is more vague.

"It's going to be something," said Tony Gonzales, an Atlanta barber. "Because it's a black person, something's going to happen."

Shan Dennis, a worker at a Decatur, Ga., insurance company, said she isn't worried about a fix being in -- but she says it's something she hears about quite a bit.

"That's been a big [issue] in the African American community," she said. "A lot of them think someone is not going to let him win."

Other voters are dismayed by the ugly tone that has emerged in the last few months, as Obama's candidacy unearthed frank expressions of prejudice from white voters, and polls show some of them may be resistant to the idea of a black president: One AP-Yahoo News poll in September suggested that a third of white Democrats held negative views toward blacks.

The Rev. Kevin M. Turman, pastor of the Second Baptist Church of Detroit, has seen similar polls. He grows worried and frustrated when he thinks of the scenario they could trigger.

"My concern is that white Democrats -- who agree with Obama on every issue -- won't vote for him because he's black," Turman said.

Historically, Turman said, black voters have proved one of the most reliable constituencies for the Democratic Party. If whites don't show up to vote for a qualified black candidate, he would feel something like betrayal.

"I will have to reconsider my lifelong support of the Democratic Party," he said. "Perhaps it will be time for us to look at elections on more of a candidate-by-candidate basis, and not just vote the party ticket."

Obama's father was a black Kenyan; his mother was a white Kansan; and he was raised by white grandparents. The election, of course, is about many things, not just racial identity. And black voters have different opinions about whether the election should be viewed as a referendum on the state of American race relations.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights veteran and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, thinks the matter is plain:

"What we boil down to is a choice between 'Will you vote for the good of the country?' or 'Will you vote your racial fears?' " said Lowery.

But Charles Johnson, a novelist and English professor at the University of Washington, said it may be difficult to draw hard and fast conclusions about race relations from the November vote.

"There will be black Americans who will be certain that if [Obama] loses it was on the basis of race," Johnson said. "Then again, there's going to be a percentage of people who, when the race issue is put to the side, didn't like his policy proposals. It could be a combination of those.

"The conclusion that we draw from this is going be varied," he added. "I think we just have to wait and see."

Given the strong emotions Obama has stoked, however, it may be difficult for some voters to see the nuances.

Kevin Rodgers, who works alongside Tonya Jones at Atlanta's First Class Barber Shop, spoke of a trip to Washington that he recently made with his young daughter. After visiting the Jefferson Memorial, he bought her a ruler with pictures of all 43 presidents.

"They were all white, and we discussed that," said Rodgers. "Now, with a win, there'd be a black face on that ruler. That says everything to me."

Rodgers predicted that an Obama victory might trigger a major change in the way black Americans view their country and their countrymen.

"The amount of heart it takes for white people to pick Barack -- I think that will help some black people look at this country with hope," he said. "It will be a real gesture -- a major gesture. I think it's a major blow to hatred."

However, he said, an Obama loss "validates a lot of the discontent" that black Americans harbor.

"It proves it, in a way," he said, referring to lingering prejudice. "It gives validity to it." Some black voters don't want to contemplate what a loss would feel like, much the way Tonya Jones does not want to contemplate a win. But Pennsylvania state Rep. Jewell Williams, a Democrat who represents one of the largest African American districts in the Keystone State, has given it some thought. He said he'd encourage blacks to make Nov. 5 a sick-out day.

"I would encourage every African American not to go to work," he said. "We will need to show how important we are again. Maybe America will pay more attention to us if we all stayed at home."

In the long term, an Obama loss could discourage future political participation among the black voters who have registered for the first time this year, said Wilbur C. Rich, a political scientist at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

The loss of enthusiasm could extend beyond new voters. Harris, the Chicago school administrator, has voted in every presidential election he could. The 40-year-old likes to think of himself as a coolly dispassionate voter. But he said he cried when Obama claimed the Democratic nomination -- and expects the same kind of cathartic response if the candidate wins in November.

Imagining an Obama loss is another story. If that happens, Harris said, he will probably give up on the idea that voting makes a difference.

"This for me, politically, is the endgame," he said. "If McCain wins, I'm done. I will have conclusively decided that this is a purposeless exercise."

Michael Baisden, a popular radio host and Obama supporter, discounts such talk. "I think that's people hoping for the best," he said, "and preparing for the worst."

richard.fausset@latimes.com
Very understandable sentiments. Thanks for sharing this.
You're welcome. It's a very moving article, especially if you're aware of a little of the history involved here. Aren't you a little disturbed by it, though, as well?
Not really, Tim.Empathy requires understanding, and I would certainly try to be understanding of the black experience in this country. But there is no way that I could claim to truly know what African Americans think and feel. This article gives us a little insight. But I am not a black man and neither are you; thus it is merely conjecture on our parts how they might react.

A big part of my philosophy is setting realistic expectations for myself and having extremely fair expectations of others. It may seem simplistic but it helps me maintain a level of understanding, empathy and even a bit of sanity. I think you set the bar too high. Put another way, your expectations are not aligning with reality. Especially considering that we have not even had the election yet, nor have we seen these expected results. While it is a possibility that a backlash would "serve to stifle free and open debate", I am willing to wait and see. And give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

One thing I would say is this; I don't believe for a second that Obama would stand for nor condone this type of reaction.

 
This article appeared this morning in today's Los Angeles Times. I think it's a very important read, for Obama supporters and non-supporters alike:

Black voters feeling a mix of 'anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear'

ATLANTA -- Tonya Jones doesn't want to imagine what it would feel like to have a black president in the White House.

"I want to feel that euphoria, but I can't," said Jones, an African American hairstylist who was hanging out in front of her shop here on a slow afternoon. "Because I don't want to put myself way up here" -- with this she raised her hand over her head -- "only to fall." She let her hand plunge downward like a falling elevator.

"Everybody's on edge, I'm telling you," she said.

Such are the fraught emotions of African Americans, whose up-from-slavery story could culminate Nov. 4 in the election of a black president. Polls show that black voters overwhelmingly support Barack Obama in the presidential race, in many cases for reasons that transcend policy: One popular T-shirt depicts Obama with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. under the banner "A Dream Answered."

But many blacks are also steeling themselves for the heartbreak that will come if a breakthrough does not. Damascus Harris, a school administrator in Chicago, rattled off a litany of past indignities his people have suffered -- from the broken promises that followed slavery to Jim Crow-era voter suppression to racist redlining by banks. They explained, in part, why Harris won't be surprised if Obama loses this election.

"I'm not naive about what our history has been," he said.

That skepticism, born of centuries of experience, is shaping the mood of the black electorate on the eve of this historic election. Even with Obama surging in national polls, the excitement of his black supporters is in many cases tempered by an acute anxiety.

"I've seen lots of moods around rage and progress and all those things," said Andrea Y. Simpson, a political science professor at the University of Richmond who marched with King when she was a girl. "This is the strangest one I've experienced . . . of anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear."

Fear finds its most intense expression in the ongoing concerns for Obama's safety. Rosalind Johnson, a finance company worker from Camden, S.C., stated her deepest worry bluntly, as if it were a fact: "He will be assassinated," she said on a sunny weekday morning recently as she walked out of her local registrar's office.

There are other, less morbid concerns. Some voters fret over the shadowy workings of a system that they believe will prevent Obama from ascending to the highest office in the land. Sometimes this conversation hinges on the voting irregularities of the 2000 election. Sometimes the sentiment is more vague.

"It's going to be something," said Tony Gonzales, an Atlanta barber. "Because it's a black person, something's going to happen."

Shan Dennis, a worker at a Decatur, Ga., insurance company, said she isn't worried about a fix being in -- but she says it's something she hears about quite a bit.

"That's been a big [issue] in the African American community," she said. "A lot of them think someone is not going to let him win."

Other voters are dismayed by the ugly tone that has emerged in the last few months, as Obama's candidacy unearthed frank expressions of prejudice from white voters, and polls show some of them may be resistant to the idea of a black president: One AP-Yahoo News poll in September suggested that a third of white Democrats held negative views toward blacks.

The Rev. Kevin M. Turman, pastor of the Second Baptist Church of Detroit, has seen similar polls. He grows worried and frustrated when he thinks of the scenario they could trigger.

"My concern is that white Democrats -- who agree with Obama on every issue -- won't vote for him because he's black," Turman said.

Historically, Turman said, black voters have proved one of the most reliable constituencies for the Democratic Party. If whites don't show up to vote for a qualified black candidate, he would feel something like betrayal.

"I will have to reconsider my lifelong support of the Democratic Party," he said. "Perhaps it will be time for us to look at elections on more of a candidate-by-candidate basis, and not just vote the party ticket."

Obama's father was a black Kenyan; his mother was a white Kansan; and he was raised by white grandparents. The election, of course, is about many things, not just racial identity. And black voters have different opinions about whether the election should be viewed as a referendum on the state of American race relations.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights veteran and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, thinks the matter is plain:

"What we boil down to is a choice between 'Will you vote for the good of the country?' or 'Will you vote your racial fears?' " said Lowery.

But Charles Johnson, a novelist and English professor at the University of Washington, said it may be difficult to draw hard and fast conclusions about race relations from the November vote.

"There will be black Americans who will be certain that if [Obama] loses it was on the basis of race," Johnson said. "Then again, there's going to be a percentage of people who, when the race issue is put to the side, didn't like his policy proposals. It could be a combination of those.

"The conclusion that we draw from this is going be varied," he added. "I think we just have to wait and see."

Given the strong emotions Obama has stoked, however, it may be difficult for some voters to see the nuances.

Kevin Rodgers, who works alongside Tonya Jones at Atlanta's First Class Barber Shop, spoke of a trip to Washington that he recently made with his young daughter. After visiting the Jefferson Memorial, he bought her a ruler with pictures of all 43 presidents.

"They were all white, and we discussed that," said Rodgers. "Now, with a win, there'd be a black face on that ruler. That says everything to me."

Rodgers predicted that an Obama victory might trigger a major change in the way black Americans view their country and their countrymen.

"The amount of heart it takes for white people to pick Barack -- I think that will help some black people look at this country with hope," he said. "It will be a real gesture -- a major gesture. I think it's a major blow to hatred."

However, he said, an Obama loss "validates a lot of the discontent" that black Americans harbor.

"It proves it, in a way," he said, referring to lingering prejudice. "It gives validity to it." Some black voters don't want to contemplate what a loss would feel like, much the way Tonya Jones does not want to contemplate a win. But Pennsylvania state Rep. Jewell Williams, a Democrat who represents one of the largest African American districts in the Keystone State, has given it some thought. He said he'd encourage blacks to make Nov. 5 a sick-out day.

"I would encourage every African American not to go to work," he said. "We will need to show how important we are again. Maybe America will pay more attention to us if we all stayed at home."

In the long term, an Obama loss could discourage future political participation among the black voters who have registered for the first time this year, said Wilbur C. Rich, a political scientist at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

The loss of enthusiasm could extend beyond new voters. Harris, the Chicago school administrator, has voted in every presidential election he could. The 40-year-old likes to think of himself as a coolly dispassionate voter. But he said he cried when Obama claimed the Democratic nomination -- and expects the same kind of cathartic response if the candidate wins in November.

Imagining an Obama loss is another story. If that happens, Harris said, he will probably give up on the idea that voting makes a difference.

"This for me, politically, is the endgame," he said. "If McCain wins, I'm done. I will have conclusively decided that this is a purposeless exercise."

Michael Baisden, a popular radio host and Obama supporter, discounts such talk. "I think that's people hoping for the best," he said, "and preparing for the worst."

richard.fausset@latimes.com
Very understandable sentiments. Thanks for sharing this.
You're welcome. It's a very moving article, especially if you're aware of a little of the history involved here. Aren't you a little disturbed by it, though, as well?
Not really, Tim.Empathy requires understanding, and I would certainly try to be understanding of the black experience in this country. But there is no way that I could claim to truly know what African Americans think and feel. This article gives us a little insight. But I am not a black man and neither are you; thus it is merely conjecture on our parts how they might react.

A big part of my philosophy is setting realistic expectations for myself and having extremely fair expectations of others. It may seem simplistic but it helps me maintain a level of understanding, empathy and even a bit of sanity. I think you set the bar too high. Put another way, your expectations are not aligning with reality. Especially considering that we have not even had the election yet, nor have we seen these expected results. While it is a possibility that a backlash would "serve to stifle free and open debate", I am willing to wait and see. And give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

One thing I would say is this; I don't believe for a second that Obama would stand for nor condone this type of reaction.
Well said. I agree we should all be willing to wait and see. Not like we're really going to have a choice, anyhow.I also acknowledge that, even though I am concerned about this issue, it will also be used as a crutch by conservative talk show hosts for the next four years. "If you're critical of his majesty Obama, you are called a racist!" they will scream. They will make this a bigger issue than any specific issue of his campaign. The conservatives are going to get even uglier AFTER the election, when they are no longer restrained by John McCain.

 
The article in the post above both disturbed and moved me in so many ways it's hard to know where to begin. I suppose it should be no surprise that African-Americans see this election mainly in terms of the question of their status in this country. Given their history, could it really be any other way?I don't want these people to be badly hurt, or turn away from the electoral process, as it sounds like they will if he loses. If Obama loses now, you will not be able to convince these people (and many others) that it was because of any reason other than racism. It will create a permanent scar on this nation if he loses now, and I hate to see that. Frankly, part of me is rooting for Obama just to avoid this.But just because a widespread emotion is completely understandable doesn't make it right. My fear is that this same group of people will continue to have a racial identity with Obama after he has been elected, and see every criticism in the future as racially based; certainly they will be suspicious of this. Such perceptions don't work well with the democratic process; it will serve to stifle free and open debate. The issue of race in this country seems to go on and on in this country without any ending in sight...
If McCain had actually stayed with his early pledge to run ads on the issues, then I think he could have won and not let (most) African-Americans believe that Obama was defeated by racism. But his campaign has decided to make the electorate afraid of Obama because he's "not like us." It is now impossible to prevent feelings of racism to run rampant even if Obama wins. If McCain wins, ... I think you said it perfectly : "it will create a permanent scar on this nation." Well said.
I have to take issue with your first statement. If you read the article, very little has to do with McCain or the tone of the campaign. I think that African-Americans would believe that Obama was defeated by racism no matter how the other side campaigns. I think had Hillary won, they would have believed that was because of racism.This attitude began after the Iowa caucus, when Blacks began to realize that Obama had an actual chance of winning. Ever since then, they have had this attitude. They made their feelings known beginning with the South Carolina primary, and that's when it became obvious to me that Democrats would never dare use the Superdelegates to defeat Obama, no matter what Hillary wanted. That was never a serious threat, because the Dem leadership knew how much this election meant to Blacks. So I don't think McCain had anything to do with it.
I know some African Americans viewed things the way you just said, who refuse to believe that anyone could vote for McCain for any reason other than racism. But I refuse to believe that's a majority of African Americans. Also, the "made their feelings known with SC primary" ... I'm not sure what you mean there. You mean, when Bill Clinton made the mistake of saying SC shouldn't count because Jesse Jackson once won South Carolina? That was an incredibly dumb thing to say and certainly fed an attitude among blacks that racism persisted in the political process. If this election had been entirely about issues, governing philosophy, experience vs. judgment, then it would be very difficult to make the argument that racism played a part. But it hasn't run that way. Instead, the McCain-Palin campaign is, I would argue based on their actions, counting on and instigating racism in an attempt to win the election.
 
This article appeared this morning in today's Los Angeles Times. I think it's a very important read, for Obama supporters and non-supporters alike:

Black voters feeling a mix of 'anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear'

ATLANTA -- Tonya Jones doesn't want to imagine what it would feel like to have a black president in the White House.

"I want to feel that euphoria, but I can't," said Jones, an African American hairstylist who was hanging out in front of her shop here on a slow afternoon. "Because I don't want to put myself way up here" -- with this she raised her hand over her head -- "only to fall." She let her hand plunge downward like a falling elevator.

"Everybody's on edge, I'm telling you," she said.

Such are the fraught emotions of African Americans, whose up-from-slavery story could culminate Nov. 4 in the election of a black president. Polls show that black voters overwhelmingly support Barack Obama in the presidential race, in many cases for reasons that transcend policy: One popular T-shirt depicts Obama with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. under the banner "A Dream Answered."

But many blacks are also steeling themselves for the heartbreak that will come if a breakthrough does not. Damascus Harris, a school administrator in Chicago, rattled off a litany of past indignities his people have suffered -- from the broken promises that followed slavery to Jim Crow-era voter suppression to racist redlining by banks. They explained, in part, why Harris won't be surprised if Obama loses this election.

"I'm not naive about what our history has been," he said.

That skepticism, born of centuries of experience, is shaping the mood of the black electorate on the eve of this historic election. Even with Obama surging in national polls, the excitement of his black supporters is in many cases tempered by an acute anxiety.

"I've seen lots of moods around rage and progress and all those things," said Andrea Y. Simpson, a political science professor at the University of Richmond who marched with King when she was a girl. "This is the strangest one I've experienced . . . of anticipation, hope, pride -- and fear."

Fear finds its most intense expression in the ongoing concerns for Obama's safety. Rosalind Johnson, a finance company worker from Camden, S.C., stated her deepest worry bluntly, as if it were a fact: "He will be assassinated," she said on a sunny weekday morning recently as she walked out of her local registrar's office.

There are other, less morbid concerns. Some voters fret over the shadowy workings of a system that they believe will prevent Obama from ascending to the highest office in the land. Sometimes this conversation hinges on the voting irregularities of the 2000 election. Sometimes the sentiment is more vague.

"It's going to be something," said Tony Gonzales, an Atlanta barber. "Because it's a black person, something's going to happen."

Shan Dennis, a worker at a Decatur, Ga., insurance company, said she isn't worried about a fix being in -- but she says it's something she hears about quite a bit.

"That's been a big [issue] in the African American community," she said. "A lot of them think someone is not going to let him win."

Other voters are dismayed by the ugly tone that has emerged in the last few months, as Obama's candidacy unearthed frank expressions of prejudice from white voters, and polls show some of them may be resistant to the idea of a black president: One AP-Yahoo News poll in September suggested that a third of white Democrats held negative views toward blacks.

The Rev. Kevin M. Turman, pastor of the Second Baptist Church of Detroit, has seen similar polls. He grows worried and frustrated when he thinks of the scenario they could trigger.

"My concern is that white Democrats -- who agree with Obama on every issue -- won't vote for him because he's black," Turman said.

Historically, Turman said, black voters have proved one of the most reliable constituencies for the Democratic Party. If whites don't show up to vote for a qualified black candidate, he would feel something like betrayal.

"I will have to reconsider my lifelong support of the Democratic Party," he said. "Perhaps it will be time for us to look at elections on more of a candidate-by-candidate basis, and not just vote the party ticket."

Obama's father was a black Kenyan; his mother was a white Kansan; and he was raised by white grandparents. The election, of course, is about many things, not just racial identity. And black voters have different opinions about whether the election should be viewed as a referendum on the state of American race relations.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights veteran and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, thinks the matter is plain:

"What we boil down to is a choice between 'Will you vote for the good of the country?' or 'Will you vote your racial fears?' " said Lowery.

But Charles Johnson, a novelist and English professor at the University of Washington, said it may be difficult to draw hard and fast conclusions about race relations from the November vote.

"There will be black Americans who will be certain that if [Obama] loses it was on the basis of race," Johnson said. "Then again, there's going to be a percentage of people who, when the race issue is put to the side, didn't like his policy proposals. It could be a combination of those.

"The conclusion that we draw from this is going be varied," he added. "I think we just have to wait and see."

Given the strong emotions Obama has stoked, however, it may be difficult for some voters to see the nuances.

Kevin Rodgers, who works alongside Tonya Jones at Atlanta's First Class Barber Shop, spoke of a trip to Washington that he recently made with his young daughter. After visiting the Jefferson Memorial, he bought her a ruler with pictures of all 43 presidents.

"They were all white, and we discussed that," said Rodgers. "Now, with a win, there'd be a black face on that ruler. That says everything to me."

Rodgers predicted that an Obama victory might trigger a major change in the way black Americans view their country and their countrymen.

"The amount of heart it takes for white people to pick Barack -- I think that will help some black people look at this country with hope," he said. "It will be a real gesture -- a major gesture. I think it's a major blow to hatred."

However, he said, an Obama loss "validates a lot of the discontent" that black Americans harbor.

"It proves it, in a way," he said, referring to lingering prejudice. "It gives validity to it." Some black voters don't want to contemplate what a loss would feel like, much the way Tonya Jones does not want to contemplate a win. But Pennsylvania state Rep. Jewell Williams, a Democrat who represents one of the largest African American districts in the Keystone State, has given it some thought. He said he'd encourage blacks to make Nov. 5 a sick-out day.

"I would encourage every African American not to go to work," he said. "We will need to show how important we are again. Maybe America will pay more attention to us if we all stayed at home."

In the long term, an Obama loss could discourage future political participation among the black voters who have registered for the first time this year, said Wilbur C. Rich, a political scientist at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

The loss of enthusiasm could extend beyond new voters. Harris, the Chicago school administrator, has voted in every presidential election he could. The 40-year-old likes to think of himself as a coolly dispassionate voter. But he said he cried when Obama claimed the Democratic nomination -- and expects the same kind of cathartic response if the candidate wins in November.

Imagining an Obama loss is another story. If that happens, Harris said, he will probably give up on the idea that voting makes a difference.

"This for me, politically, is the endgame," he said. "If McCain wins, I'm done. I will have conclusively decided that this is a purposeless exercise."

Michael Baisden, a popular radio host and Obama supporter, discounts such talk. "I think that's people hoping for the best," he said, "and preparing for the worst."

richard.fausset@latimes.com
Very understandable sentiments. Thanks for sharing this.
You're welcome. It's a very moving article, especially if you're aware of a little of the history involved here. Aren't you a little disturbed by it, though, as well?
Not really, Tim.Empathy requires understanding, and I would certainly try to be understanding of the black experience in this country. But there is no way that I could claim to truly know what African Americans think and feel. This article gives us a little insight. But I am not a black man and neither are you; thus it is merely conjecture on our parts how they might react.

A big part of my philosophy is setting realistic expectations for myself and having extremely fair expectations of others. It may seem simplistic but it helps me maintain a level of understanding, empathy and even a bit of sanity. I think you set the bar too high. Put another way, your expectations are not aligning with reality. Especially considering that we have not even had the election yet, nor have we seen these expected results. While it is a possibility that a backlash would "serve to stifle free and open debate", I am willing to wait and see. And give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

One thing I would say is this; I don't believe for a second that Obama would stand for nor condone this type of reaction.
Well said. I agree we should all be willing to wait and see. Not like we're really going to have a choice, anyhow.I also acknowledge that, even though I am concerned about this issue, it will also be used as a crutch by conservative talk show hosts for the next four years. "If you're critical of his majesty Obama, you are called a racist!" they will scream. They will make this a bigger issue than any specific issue of his campaign. The conservatives are going to get even uglier AFTER the election, when they are no longer restrained by John McCain.
Yeah, well I think we are seeing a bit of that now, as well as the anti-American meme with certain individuals like Michele Bachmann. After the election, should Obama win, you are going to see a lot more of this un-American, neo-McCarthy BS from the far right. It's already ugly and I agree it will get uglier. And I don't have any false expectations that Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity will take into account the thoughts of African Americans when they spout their filth.
 
Also, the "made their feelings known with SC primary" ... I'm not sure what you mean there. You mean, when Bill Clinton made the mistake of saying SC shouldn't count because Jesse Jackson once won South Carolina? That was an incredibly dumb thing to say and certainly fed an attitude among blacks that racism persisted in the political process.
It was in South Carolina where it became apparent that African-Americans were going to vote as a unified bloc for Obama as they never had before for any candidate, for the most part because of racial identification. It was here that the Democratic leadership began to realize there might be grave consequences to continuing to support Hillary.
 
Also, the "made their feelings known with SC primary" ... I'm not sure what you mean there. You mean, when Bill Clinton made the mistake of saying SC shouldn't count because Jesse Jackson once won South Carolina? That was an incredibly dumb thing to say and certainly fed an attitude among blacks that racism persisted in the political process.
It was in South Carolina where it became apparent that African-Americans were going to vote as a unified bloc for Obama as they never had before for any candidate, for the most part because of racial identification. It was here that the Democratic leadership began to realize there might be grave consequences to continuing to support Hillary.
Ok, you're going to have to expand on that for me. What do you mean there?
 
Also, the "made their feelings known with SC primary" ... I'm not sure what you mean there. You mean, when Bill Clinton made the mistake of saying SC shouldn't count because Jesse Jackson once won South Carolina? That was an incredibly dumb thing to say and certainly fed an attitude among blacks that racism persisted in the political process.
It was in South Carolina where it became apparent that African-Americans were going to vote as a unified bloc for Obama as they never had before for any candidate, for the most part because of racial identification. It was here that the Democratic leadership began to realize there might be grave consequences to continuing to support Hillary.
Ok, you're going to have to expand on that for me. What do you mean there?
I think he means that if the superdelegates had moved to Clinton despite Obama winning the regular delegates, all hell would have broken loose. I know what I would have done.

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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread before now, but election night could be over real quick.

The first two states to close their polls are Kentucky and Indiana at 6pm EDT. Now Kentucky is going to go McCain in a big way, but IF Indiana goes for Obama ... and there's an outside chance that it does ... then the networks should just go ahead and call the election.

An hour later, at 7pm Eastern, Virginia's polls close. Unlike Indiana, Virginia is being projected as going for Obama. And there is no realistic electoral vote scenario that gets McCain to 270 without Virginia (to countermand it, McCain would have to win ALL the other battleground states, and somehow turn either NM, MN, or PA red).

After the longest run-up to an election EVER, November 4th could end up being rather anti-climactic.

 
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread before now, but election night could be over real quick.The first two states to close their polls are Kentucky and Indiana at 6pm EDT. Now Kentucky is going to go McCain in a big way, but IF Indiana goes for Obama ... and there's an outside chance that it does ... then the networks should just go ahead and call the election. An hour later, at 7pm Eastern, Virginia's polls close. Unlike Indiana, Virginia is being projected as going for Obama. And there is no realistic electoral vote scenario that gets McCain to 270 without Virginia (to countermand it, McCain would have to win ALL the other battleground states, and somehow turn either NM, MN, or PA red). After the longest run-up to an election EVER, November 4th could end up being rather anti-climactic.
Don't they have to wait until a certain time before calling any states?
 
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread before now, but election night could be over real quick.The first two states to close their polls are Kentucky and Indiana at 6pm EDT. Now Kentucky is going to go McCain in a big way, but IF Indiana goes for Obama ... and there's an outside chance that it does ... then the networks should just go ahead and call the election. An hour later, at 7pm Eastern, Virginia's polls close. Unlike Indiana, Virginia is being projected as going for Obama. And there is no realistic electoral vote scenario that gets McCain to 270 without Virginia (to countermand it, McCain would have to win ALL the other battleground states, and somehow turn either NM, MN, or PA red). After the longest run-up to an election EVER, November 4th could end up being rather anti-climactic.
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread before now, but election night could be over real quick.The first two states to close their polls are Kentucky and Indiana at 6pm EDT. Now Kentucky is going to go McCain in a big way, but IF Indiana goes for Obama ... and there's an outside chance that it does ... then the networks should just go ahead and call the election. An hour later, at 7pm Eastern, Virginia's polls close. Unlike Indiana, Virginia is being projected as going for Obama. And there is no realistic electoral vote scenario that gets McCain to 270 without Virginia (to countermand it, McCain would have to win ALL the other battleground states, and somehow turn either NM, MN, or PA red). After the longest run-up to an election EVER, November 4th could end up being rather anti-climactic.
Don't they have to wait until a certain time before calling any states?
They have to wait until the polls close in a state. However, they are more reticent to rely on exit polls exclusively to call a state (a change they made after 2000). So there will be some delay while actual results are posted by precinct. They'll look to see how far off the exit polls are off from the first results to come in to make a determination on whether to wait further. And the networks won't say that the election has been won or lost until one of the candidates actually gets to 270 votes. But I expect to hear comments like "from what we've seen so far, McCain has a very difficult road to pull this out" or something like that.
 
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread before now, but election night could be over real quick.

The first two states to close their polls are Kentucky and Indiana at 6pm EDT. Now Kentucky is going to go McCain in a big way, but IF Indiana goes for Obama ... and there's an outside chance that it does ... then the networks should just go ahead and call the election.

An hour later, at 7pm Eastern, Virginia's polls close. Unlike Indiana, Virginia is being projected as going for Obama. And there is no realistic electoral vote scenario that gets McCain to 270 without Virginia (to countermand it, McCain would have to win ALL the other battleground states, and somehow turn either NM, MN, or PA red).

After the longest run-up to an election EVER, November 4th could end up being rather anti-climactic.
Don't they have to wait until a certain time before calling any states?
They have to wait until the polls close in a state. However, they are more reticent to rely on exit polls exclusively to call a state (a change they made after 2000). So there will be some delay while actual results are posted by precinct. They'll look to see how far off the exit polls are off from the first results to come in to make a determination on whether to wait further. And the networks won't say that the election has been won or lost until one of the candidates actually gets to 270 votes. But I expect to hear comments like "from what we've seen so far, McCain has a very difficult road to pull this out" or something like that.
Early and often.
 
Also, the "made their feelings known with SC primary" ... I'm not sure what you mean there. You mean, when Bill Clinton made the mistake of saying SC shouldn't count because Jesse Jackson once won South Carolina? That was an incredibly dumb thing to say and certainly fed an attitude among blacks that racism persisted in the political process.
It was in South Carolina where it became apparent that African-Americans were going to vote as a unified bloc for Obama as they never had before for any candidate, for the most part because of racial identification. It was here that the Democratic leadership began to realize there might be grave consequences to continuing to support Hillary.
Ok, you're going to have to expand on that for me. What do you mean there?
Sorry, I missed this question.When Blacks starting supporting Obama en masse, he became a "man of destiny". Politicians are wary of this; the one thing they don't ever want is to be on the losing side. Plus, among the white Democratic leadership, there was fear based on racism. Basically, they believed after South Carolina that anyone who supported Clinton would be perceived as opposing African-Americans. This fear caused them to "bravely" stand up to Hillary Clinton and the shenanigans her campaign tried to pull.

I'm only barely touching the surface of this issue. It has always been my opinion that the Republican candidate never had more than a 30-40% chance at best to win this election, (and that percentage dropped to 10% after the economic crisis.) The real race for president was between Barack and Hillary, in the same way that in the 1990's the real NFL champion was the winner of the NFC Championship game between Dallas and San Francisco-the Superbowl being a foregone conclusion.

There will be hundreds of books written about the race between Obama and Clinton, and it will be discussed by political scientists for decades.

 
Also, the "made their feelings known with SC primary" ... I'm not sure what you mean there. You mean, when Bill Clinton made the mistake of saying SC shouldn't count because Jesse Jackson once won South Carolina? That was an incredibly dumb thing to say and certainly fed an attitude among blacks that racism persisted in the political process.
It was in South Carolina where it became apparent that African-Americans were going to vote as a unified bloc for Obama as they never had before for any candidate, for the most part because of racial identification. It was here that the Democratic leadership began to realize there might be grave consequences to continuing to support Hillary.
Ok, you're going to have to expand on that for me. What do you mean there?
Sorry, I missed this question.When Blacks starting supporting Obama en masse, he became a "man of destiny". Politicians are wary of this; the one thing they don't ever want is to be on the losing side. Plus, among the white Democratic leadership, there was fear based on racism. Basically, they believed after South Carolina that anyone who supported Clinton would be perceived as opposing African-Americans. This fear caused them to "bravely" stand up to Hillary Clinton and the shenanigans her campaign tried to pull.

I'm only barely touching the surface of this issue. It has always been my opinion that the Republican candidate never had more than a 30-40% chance at best to win this election, (and that percentage dropped to 10% after the economic crisis.) The real race for president was between Barack and Hillary, in the same way that in the 1990's the real NFL champion was the winner of the NFC Championship game between Dallas and San Francisco-the Superbowl being a foregone conclusion.

There will be hundreds of books written about the race between Obama and Clinton, and it will be discussed by political scientists for decades.
You may be right. Even though I volunteered in the South Carolina primary, I never looked at it through a racial lens. I thought the party leadership (i.e. Howard Dean) was supposed to ensure that there was a fair process, and that nationally recognized democrats (another way to define "party leaders") were hesitant to come out and endorse Clinton after SC because they didn't want to end up on the wrong side and it looked like there was going to be a legitimate horse race between the two candidates.But maybe they were looking at Obama as a way to resolidify a long-standing Democratic-supporting group (i.e. blacks) who had been starting to fragment and have cross-overs to the other side in recent years. Though, in reality, that's not much of a fracture. 90% of African Americans voted for Gore in 2000 and 88% for Kerry in '04. The real minority group the Dems had been losing was latinos who 62% had voted for Gore but only 53% for Kerry. And I'm pretty sure I remember you arguing back at the beginning of this year, Tim, that latinos would have a hard time supporting Obama because of his race. If the Dems were thinking about repercussions from which candidate to support based on race, using your arguments and concerns there was more downside to Obama winning.

 
Also, the "made their feelings known with SC primary" ... I'm not sure what you mean there. You mean, when Bill Clinton made the mistake of saying SC shouldn't count because Jesse Jackson once won South Carolina? That was an incredibly dumb thing to say and certainly fed an attitude among blacks that racism persisted in the political process.
It was in South Carolina where it became apparent that African-Americans were going to vote as a unified bloc for Obama as they never had before for any candidate, for the most part because of racial identification. It was here that the Democratic leadership began to realize there might be grave consequences to continuing to support Hillary.
Ok, you're going to have to expand on that for me. What do you mean there?
Sorry, I missed this question.When Blacks starting supporting Obama en masse, he became a "man of destiny". Politicians are wary of this; the one thing they don't ever want is to be on the losing side. Plus, among the white Democratic leadership, there was fear based on racism. Basically, they believed after South Carolina that anyone who supported Clinton would be perceived as opposing African-Americans. This fear caused them to "bravely" stand up to Hillary Clinton and the shenanigans her campaign tried to pull.

I'm only barely touching the surface of this issue. It has always been my opinion that the Republican candidate never had more than a 30-40% chance at best to win this election, (and that percentage dropped to 10% after the economic crisis.) The real race for president was between Barack and Hillary, in the same way that in the 1990's the real NFL champion was the winner of the NFC Championship game between Dallas and San Francisco-the Superbowl being a foregone conclusion.

There will be hundreds of books written about the race between Obama and Clinton, and it will be discussed by political scientists for decades.
You may be right. Even though I volunteered in the South Carolina primary, I never looked at it through a racial lens. I thought the party leadership (i.e. Howard Dean) was supposed to ensure that there was a fair process, and that nationally recognized democrats (another way to define "party leaders") were hesitant to come out and endorse Clinton after SC because they didn't want to end up on the wrong side and it looked like there was going to be a legitimate horse race between the two candidates.But maybe they were looking at Obama as a way to resolidify a long-standing Democratic-supporting group (i.e. blacks) who had been starting to fragment and have cross-overs to the other side in recent years. Though, in reality, that's not much of a fracture. 90% of African Americans voted for Gore in 2000 and 88% for Kerry in '04. The real minority group the Dems had been losing was latinos who 62% had voted for Gore but only 53% for Kerry. And I'm pretty sure I remember you arguing back at the beginning of this year, Tim, that latinos would have a hard time supporting Obama because of his race. If the Dems were thinking about repercussions from which candidate to support based on race, using your arguments and concerns there was more downside to Obama winning.
I was wrong about the Latinos. I tend to be good at hindsight analysis (or I like to think so) but rather lousy at prognostication. I think there are tensions between Latinos and Blacks, and I also think that McCain is respected for his push for immigration reform. But the immigration issue overwhelms everything and it has created a firm, and I fear, permanent antipathy for the Republican party. McCain was forced to retract some of his immigration ideas in order to mollify the right wing, and this did not go unnoticed.Once again it was the Right Wing that proved catastrophic for the Republican Party.

 
Earlier in this thread(I think it was this one) I mentioned tow hour lines on the first day of early voting. Someone asked me for a breakdown of the demographics well here you go:

Democrats and blacks showed first-day voting enthusiasm in N.C., according to state Board of Elections numbers from yesterday.

The breakdown of the 113,809 first-day voters:

Democrats, 64%, Republicans, 21%, Unaffiliated, 15%

White, 61%, Black, 36%

Compare those figures to total registered voter percentages as of Oct. 17 (party) and Oct. 11 (race):

Democrats, 46%, Republicans, 32%, Unaffiliated 22%

White, 74%, Black, 21%

The first day black turnout is similar to the early turnout in Georgia, where 36 percent of early voters are black (compared to 29 percent black registered voters.)

The early-vote numbers in both states are likely to revert closer to the registered voter percentages as we near Nov. 4. How much they do that in N.C. will go a long way toward determining who wins the state.

Experts have estimated that Barack Obama needs the black turnout in N.C. needs to be 22-23 percent for him to win. In 2004, blacks made up 18.6 percent of voters.
ArticleSo my impression about the large Black turnout was valid but they were outnumbered (2-1 almost) by white voters. Democrats seem especially well represented.

 
Autumn Wind said:
I can't tell if this represents a real tightening of the race, or the fact that a couple of polls with huge Obama leads (like CBS) have dropped off the end of the line.
It's tightening, and it was bound to happen. As the date gets closer, expect the % to fall even more. He simply needs to hold onto a couple point lead, and make significant gains in swing states...and actually, a closer national poll could help him do that...take some of the confidence away from supporters, and move them to action.
 
Autumn Wind said:
I can't tell if this represents a real tightening of the race, or the fact that a couple of polls with huge Obama leads (like CBS) have dropped off the end of the line.
It's tightening, and it was bound to happen. As the date gets closer, expect the % to fall even more. He simply needs to hold onto a couple point lead, and make significant gains in swing states...and actually, a closer national poll could help him do that...take some of the confidence away from supporters, and move them to action.
I had the same thought. I think the only way that Obama doesn't win is if his vote doesn't turn out as much as expected. A concerned potential voter is a motivated potential voter.
 
Obama opens up lead in NC

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 20, 2008

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inquiries only please, other questions can be directed to Tom Jensen)

Obama, Hagan expand NC leads

Raleigh, N.C. – Barack Obama is now out to his largest lead yet in a PPP survey of

North Carolina, polling at 51% in the state compared to 44% for John McCain. Last

week Obama’s advantage was 49-46.

Independent voters continue to move toward Obama in droves. He now has a 51-33 lead

with them. He’s also now up to receiving 82% of the Democratic vote. Staying over the

80% threshold there would almost certainly ensure a victory in North Carolina.

McCain now leads among white voters just 55-39, an edge that’s not nearly enough given

Obama’s 92-6 lead with black voters. George W. Bush won about two thirds of the white

vote against both John Kerry and Al Gore in North Carolina.

“A lot of folks thought North Carolina might revert right back to the Republican column

after John McCain started really contesting here, but Barack Obama is holding strong,”

said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “Assuming that the black vote is

pretty much fixed McCain needs to add about ten points to his lead among white voters in

the next two weeks if he’s going to win the state.”

In North Carolina’s US Senate race challenger Kay Hagan continues to lead incumbent

Elizabeth Dole, as she has now in PPP’s last seven surveys of the race. Hagan’s

advantage is now up to 49-42. Hagan is annihilating Dole among suburban voters, 56-38.

She’s also shoring up her support with the key Democratic constituency of black voters,

with whom she is now ahead 84-7, and improvement from 78-12 a week ago.

PPP will release numbers for Governor and select Council of State races tomorrow.

PPP surveyed 1,200 likely voters on October 18th and 19th. The survey’s margin of error

is +/-2.8%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce

additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

Complete results are attached and can be found at www.publicpolicypolling.com.
 

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